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--- Log opened Thu May 27 00:00:09 2004 00:01 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 00:03 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 00:04 < netrunner> rxr: ibm x40 00:04 < rxr> take a look on the sharp one ;-) 00:04 < rxr> Transmeta Efficion 00:05 < netrunner> yeah well, I already went pregnant with the idea of an ibook for 2 weeks, but returned to x86 00:06 < rxr> the x40 seems to be rather expensive ... 00:06 < _Vr_> https://www.emperorlinux.com/sharp.php 00:07 < _Vr_> i think linux work ;) 00:09 < netrunner> rxr: I think it's worth it. I replace my vaio pcg-n505x with it, and it fits size and weight fine. even bigger display. 00:09 < rxr> the sharp is only 1kg ... 00:09 < netrunner> If the value even stays that constant as the vaio did ... 00:09 -!- Worf [~worf@i-113.vc-graz.ac.at] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10"] 00:11 < netrunner> https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1548264,00.asp <- the sharp 00:11 < netrunner> https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1517083,00.asp <- the x40 00:12 < netrunner> students price at ibm is about 300E off 00:28 * rxr now building gcc-3.3 for nearly the first time 00:39 < esden> cu guys ... and good night ;) 00:39 -!- esden is now known as esden|zZz 00:40 < MadTux> night esden|zZz 00:40 < rxr> ok - 2.0.1 submitted to https://www.symlink.ch/ 00:42 < MadTux> rxr: btw I wanted to apolagize in public for my attitude in the past days with you for the sparc port stuff. Sorry if i ofended you in anyway or got into your nerves. 00:42 < rxr> MadTux: no problem 00:43 < rxr> my U5 is just running - and I hope tomorrow I can assembly the next test ISO 00:43 < rxr> when installble (hopefully really this week) it will contain nearly 2.0.0 (-rc5) packages 00:43 < rxr> a 2.0.1 build is currently running - but it takes over a week ... 00:44 < rxr> and more important is the boot CD stuff 00:45 < MadTux> yeah.. i read a bit on the 2.0.1 announcement 00:48 < rxr> dRock submitted to freshmeat ... 00:48 < rxr> (two packages for more PR ;-) 00:48 < MadTux> :) 00:53 < rxr> ok - and /. again 00:53 < rxr> maybe once they pick us ... 00:56 < rxr> ok - cu -> /me crawling into bed 00:57 < MadTux> night rxr 01:05 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["bbl"] 01:16 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-082-083-047-120.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:27 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-082-083-043-162.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:28 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 02:31 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8C8B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 02:33 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D466.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:03 -!- MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 03:08 < MadTux> re 04:02 -!- blindy_ [~blindcode@pD9E4FF8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:02 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958F085.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:02 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy 04:03 < MadTux> hiho blindy 04:05 -!- nookie [~nookie@M332P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 04:06 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: nookie_ 04:57 -!- MadTux [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:12 < mnemoc> rehiu 05:27 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD9523669.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:27 < demian> hi 05:49 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M483P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 05:51 -!- nookie [~nookie@M332P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:53 < mnemoc> hi demian 06:08 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-3-118.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 06:17 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-165.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:17 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 06:35 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD9523669.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 08:16 < blindy> moin 08:52 < netrunne1> moin 08:52 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 08:52 < blindy> man, does ircp suck 08:53 < netrunner> damn, forgot to switch on build server :/ 08:55 < blindy> brb, gotta do some monkey-job for HP 09:34 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has joined #rocklinux 09:48 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E390D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:51 -!- Worf [~worf@i-113.vc-graz.ac.at] has joined #rocklinux 10:02 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E396BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:04 -!- link_ [~link_@adsl.xan.ch] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:09 < esden|zZz> hi alll ... cool ... rocklinux mentioned on www.symlink.org ;) 10:10 < daja77> you mean symlink.ch? 10:10 < esden|zZz> erm ... yes ;) 10:10 < daja77> :) 10:13 < blindy> re 10:15 < blindy> Aus der de-do-do-do,de-da-da-da Abteilung 10:15 < blindy> :) 10:15 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-018-162.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:15 < BoS> moin moin 10:16 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8D856.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:20 < _Vr_> hi all 10:20 < daja77> hi _Vr_ 10:20 < _Vr_> :) 10:26 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C8B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:57 < rxr> rehi 10:57 < daja77> hi rxr 11:09 < blindy> moin rxr 11:10 < rxr> https://www.symlink.ch/ 11:10 < rxr> ^- ok we are on it 11:13 < BoS> great :) 11:13 < BoS> and the pps iso ath the same version? 11:25 < rxr> yep - but they rs/6k just finished - so they might appear tomorrow. 11:29 < blindy> rxr: btw, what is so great about RS/6k? 11:29 < blindy> I have some here and they take _ages_ to boot 11:29 < blindy> the fastest I've seen was 10 minutes 11:29 < blindy> with the others ranging in the 20-30 minutes range 11:30 < rxr> they do an extreme self-test w/ the onboard system processor 11:31 < rxr> when it comes up (after displaying the status at the LED disply) you can be sure it will run stable thereafter ... 11:31 < dsoul> in linux24.desc should'n be -r6.patch? 11:33 < netrunne1> blindy: not every computer is designed for continuously switching it on/off 11:34 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 11:34 < blindy> netrunner: well, they are used as workstations here and they are turned off each day 11:35 < blindy> rxr: I see 11:38 < rxr> dsoul: yes - I did not commit the -r6 update because I wanted a "works" confirmation ... 11:39 < rxr> dsoul: do you wanna test it ? then I hit the commit button ... 11:40 < dsoul> rxr i'm still with gcc-3.3.3 :) 11:41 < dsoul> but the problem is that there is not -try5.patch file there :) 11:42 < rxr> yes 11:42 < rxr> intentionally 11:42 < rxr> committed 11:42 * blindy starting last LVP build ^_^ 11:46 < dsoul> ok i'll try build with gcc-3.4 11:47 < rxr> dsoul: you do not need to 11:47 < rxr> if the patch applies and linux builds all is better then w/ -try5 ... 11:48 < rxr> but ok - the patch applies I already tested this - this time ... 11:51 < dsoul> :> 11:53 -!- lmay [~lotharm@G5313.g.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:06 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-88-58.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #rocklinux 12:06 < blokkie> where can I get a tarball with the scripts in ? 12:06 < blokkie> the website is a bit confusing 12:18 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20down.html 12:18 < rxr> -> 12:18 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/stable/src/https://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/stable/src/ 12:18 < rxr> ok - only once 12:24 < blokkie> thx 12:27 < blokkie> mv: cannot stat `src/rockdialog.bin.12236': No such file or directory 12:27 < blokkie> Creating configuration script ... 12:27 < blokkie> Running ROCK Linux 2.0.1 configuration ... 12:27 < blokkie> unknown returncode: 127 12:27 < blokkie> this is after .Config 12:28 < blokkie> ./Config 12:28 < blokkie> [blokkie@localhost scripts]$ pwd && find . | grep rockdialog.bin 12:28 < blokkie> [blokkie@localhost scripts]$ 12:30 < blokkie> lot's off .c errors 12:30 < blokkie> this is prolly coz I have gcc for 64bit 12:34 < blindy> blokkie: do you have /dev/fd -> /proc/self/fd ? 12:45 < blokkie> $ ls -al /dev/fd 12:45 < blokkie> lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 13 May 27 12:27 /dev/fd -> /proc/self/fd/ 12:47 < blokkie> sorry 12:47 < blokkie> I need to go 12:47 < blokkie> I'll be back this evening 12:47 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-88-58.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:08 * rxr is now building a: 13:08 < rxr> O gcc3 13:08 < rxr> O glibc23 13:08 < rxr> X gcc2 13:08 < rxr> X glibc22 13:08 < rxr> build... 13:08 < blindy> rxr: crazy guy :) 13:08 < netrunner> you are bizzarre :) 13:09 < rxr> no - I just want to assure it's functionality 13:10 < rxr> (and I need it for a benchmark) 13:10 < rxr> == 13:09:32 =[0]=> Building base/glibc22 [2.2.5 2.1.0-DEV]. 13:11 -!- lmay [~lotharm@G5313.g.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:14 < rxr> == 05/27/04 13:13:34 =[0]=> Finished building package glibc22. 13:14 [Users #rocklinux] 13:14 [ _Vr_ ] [ dsoul ] [ kasc ] [ netrunner] [ snyke ] [ Worf] 13:14 [ blindy ] [ esden|zZz] [ LowLander] [ nookie_ ] [ tfing ] 13:14 [ BoS ] [ fake ] [ luckz ] [ owl ] [ th_ ] 13:14 [ christian_] [ Freak ] [ mistik1 ] [ rxr ] [ togg ] 13:14 [ daja77 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ SMP ] [ valentin] 13:14 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 26 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 26 normal] 13:18 < tfing> 4 minutes to build glibc ? 13:20 < rxr> header extraction 13:34 < rxr> ohm - w/ this olds pkgs linux24 failed: 13:34 < rxr> !> cpp0: output pipe has been closed 13:41 < _Vr_> how to clean up compilation tree ? 13:43 < _Vr_> rxr: ? 13:43 < rxr> cleanup in what form ? 13:45 -!- kramer1980 [~dfds@cc101682-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 13:46 < _Vr_> ./scripts/Build-Target 13:46 < _Vr_> i have stop it 13:46 < _Vr_> and i would like to recompil 13:46 < _Vr_> rebuild 13:47 < kramer1980> Hello 13:47 < kramer1980> I have a question on booting Rock linux cd. Am I in the right place for that? 13:47 < _Vr_> hello kramer1980 13:48 -!- nookie [~nookie@M508P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 13:48 < kramer1980> hello _Vr_ 13:48 < rxr> _Vr_: rebuild the whole thing? 13:48 < rxr> _Vr_: ok just continue the build 13:48 < rxr> kramer1980: yes sure 13:49 * rxr is busy doing commercial article work - so my resonse time might be a bit higher than usual 13:49 < _Vr_> ok :) 13:49 < _Vr_> but how to rebuild all package 13:50 < rxr> for all just do 13:50 < rxr> ./scripts/Cleanup -full 13:50 < kramer1980> rxr: ok great. I have this old mac powerpc G3, and just burned cd 1, but it doesn't boot. When the machine starts, it tries, but it automatically reboots. Should the cd be working, or is my hardware too old 13:50 < rxr> but you loose all your build results - I hople this is what you really want 13:51 < rxr> kramer1980: oh - cool interesting 13:51 < _Vr_> rxr: yes 13:51 < _Vr_> tis is what i want 13:51 < _Vr_> :) 13:51 < rxr> kramer1980: which cd did you use 13:51 < rxr> (filename) 13:51 < kramer1980> https://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/rock/stable/2.0.0-beta6/desktop/ <<= here I downloaded PPC cd 1 13:51 < rxr> ah ok 13:52 < rxr> kramer1980: then your hardware is not yet supported 13:52 < rxr> kramer1980: I'm interested in supporting oldworld macs, too 13:52 < rxr> kramer1980: I just have none here 13:52 < kramer1980> rxr: what is this "oldworld" and "newworld" 13:53 < kramer1980> I'm pretty newbie to mac, though not to linux 13:53 < rxr> kramer1980: when I have more time on the weekend I read thru docs and improve ROCK Linux too be bootable (if possible) 13:53 < rxr> and would notify you then 13:53 < rxr> kramer1980: this classifies the general hardware revision - in the combination of hardware and firmware 13:53 < kramer1980> rxr: wow, that would be great 13:54 < rxr> kramer1980: could you mail to rene@rocklinux.org so i have you mail address to notify you when I worked out some stuff= 13:54 < rxr> ? even ;-) 13:54 < kramer1980> rxr: I already did :-) 13:55 < kramer1980> But I saw this irc address, so I thought, maybe there are some people with much knowledge of this stuff 13:55 < rxr> ah - ic 13:55 < kramer1980> rxr: I didn't know you were rene :-) 13:56 < rxr> oldworld does not mean your hardware is bad - it is just the older generation PowerPC stuff from Apple 13:56 < rxr> w/ NewWorld OpenFirmware and so changed (I need to reread the details, too - since I never had OldWorld hardware) 13:56 < rxr> but Linux runs on it just fine - it is just a matter to add the proper boot infrastructure to the cd 13:57 < kramer1980> rxr: ok. thanks a lot for your trouble! I appreciate it 13:57 < kramer1980> rxr: ah I see (the booting matter) 14:03 -!- Harreh [Harreh@cpe-66-191-200-134.spa.sc.charter.com] has joined #rocklinux 14:03 -!- Harreh [Harreh@cpe-66-191-200-134.spa.sc.charter.com] has left #rocklinux [] 14:05 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M483P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:06 -!- kramer1980 [~dfds@cc101682-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [] 14:11 -!- kramer1980 [~dfds@cc101682-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 14:19 < rxr> ok - cool, gcc2/glibc22: 14:19 < rxr> == 05/27/04 14:09:45 =[1]=> Finished building package linux26. 14:19 < daja77> nice 14:20 < rxr> hm - the linux24 failure is: 14:20 < rxr> filemap.c: In function `sys_sendfile64': 14:20 < rxr> filemap.c:1949: internal error--unrecognizable insn: 14:20 < rxr> intesting .... 14:20 < daja77> had an error in filemap.c too for hppa target 14:21 < rxr> this is more likely a real ICE in gcc-2.95.3: 14:21 < rxr> (insn 358 447 367 (set (reg/v:SI 5 %edi) 14:21 < rxr> (asm_operands/v ("1: movl %%eax,0(%2) 14:21 < rxr> 2: movl %%edx,4(%2) 14:21 < rxr> 3: 14:21 < rxr> .section .fixup,"ax" 14:21 < rxr> 4: movl %3,%0 14:21 < rxr> jmp 3b 14:21 < rxr> .previous 14:21 < rxr> .section __ex_table,"a" 14:21 < rxr> .align 4 14:21 < rxr> .long 1b,4b 14:21 < rxr> .long 2b,4b 14:21 < rxr> .previous") ("=r") 0[ 14:21 < rxr> ... 14:23 < daja77> sure the error I had was different 14:53 < _Vr_> hum 14:53 < _Vr_> i've build error 14:53 < _Vr_> for linux24-src 14:54 < daja77> which 14:54 < _Vr_> Extracting the Linux Kernel Sources [2.4.25] ... 14:54 < _Vr_> !> tar: dl-open.c:395: dl_open_worker: Assertion `new->l_se .. 14:54 < _Vr_> !> /home/vr/work/rocklinux/2.0-stable/scripts/Build-Pkg: li .. 14:54 < _Vr_> -> $root/var/adm/logs/1-linux24-src.out -> 1-linux24-src.err 14:54 < _Vr_> == 05/27/04 14:10:05 =[1]=> Aborted building package linux24-src. 14:55 < daja77> seems that your tar is broken 14:56 < _Vr_> hum 14:56 < _Vr_> checksum ok 14:57 < rxr> ouhm 14:57 < rxr> what glibc do you have on your debian 14:57 < rxr> and what debian is this? 14:58 < _Vr_> libc6 2.3.2.ds1-12 14:58 < _Vr_> debian testing 14:59 < _Vr_> is there a pb ? 15:00 < rxr> does not seem to be very stable when you get such dl_open assertion 15:00 < rxr> I have used many libc - but never got such deeper errors ... 15:00 < _Vr_> :-/ 15:00 < rxr> preliminary data - without much meaning - just for entertainment: 15:01 < rxr> https://rocklinux-consulting.de/compile-speed4.png 15:01 < rxr> very preleminary - copyright /me 15:02 < daja77> hm sometimes faster, sometimes slower, right? 15:02 < rxr> sadly yes 15:02 < rxr> but this war run on my main build box - also running apache and such 15:03 < rxr> I do not yet know how much I can trust this data 15:03 < rxr> I will rebuild them at least a third time .. 15:28 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@d5152E442.kabel.telenet.be] has joined #rocklinux 15:28 < blokkie> yo rxr , I got that error figured out 15:28 < blokkie> :-) 15:28 < blokkie> ncurses header missing 15:29 < rxr> what error ? 15:30 < daja77> make[1]: Entering directory `/scratch/rock-daja/src.linux24.1085424696.1161.3651638994/linux-2.4.26/arch/parisc/math-emu' 15:30 < daja77> make[1]: Nothing to be done for `modules'. 15:30 < daja77> weee finished 15:30 < rxr> cool daja77 is becomming our hppa person 15:31 < rxr> btw, do you have a hppa or hppa64 ? 15:31 < blokkie> rxr , I could not run ./Config , and you asked about /dev/df stuff 15:31 < daja77> 32 15:31 < daja77> need additional 3h to assemble everything for rock scripts I guess 15:33 < rxr> daja77: do not do this for the kernel yet 15:33 < daja77> hm? 15:33 < rxr> daja77: when you need so many patches better wait for a pkgform linux package so you can safly add hppa quirks .. 15:33 < rxr> pkgfork even 15:33 < rxr> or split 15:34 < rxr> whatever clifford nameed it .. 15:34 < daja77> ah that 15:34 < daja77> guess he is busy with linuxwochen atm 15:34 < netrunner> until then the patches can be appended in a seperate target or in arch ... 15:34 * netrunner about to leave to linuxwochen 15:34 < daja77> yep sth like 15:34 < daja77> that 15:34 < rxr> not a target 15:34 < daja77> no arch, not target 15:35 < daja77> I did not mean target 15:35 < rxr> but I guess those patches are not always available for each kernel 15:35 < rxr> so pkgfork and conditional version number is the thing to do for hppa 15:35 < daja77> they are, even for 2.4.27-pre and 2.6.7-pre 15:35 < rxr> oh 15:36 < daja77> guess hp pays some devs for it 15:38 < rxr> has there been a FTP connection tracking bug in 2.4.21 ? 15:39 < rxr> (yeah - I know I should update this RS/6k ...) 15:42 < mnemoc> moin 15:43 < rxr> moin mnemoc 15:43 < daja77> hi mnemoc 15:43 < mnemoc> hi rxr, daja77 15:45 < mnemoc> what is a linuxwochen? 15:45 < rxr> linux days 15:45 < rxr> some kinda meeting fair - where people meet and such 15:45 < mnemoc> and that means? 15:45 < mnemoc> like a camp? 15:46 < daja77> it means linux weeks, and there several events all over austria grouped together by that name 15:46 < daja77> atm there is an event at vienna where clifford is involved 15:47 < mnemoc> how many days? 15:47 < daja77> 26th-29th may 15:47 < mnemoc> several events? in paralel or like LT? 15:48 < daja77> there have been other events before that and there is another one after that iirc 15:48 < daja77> no not in parallel 15:49 < daja77> oh seems to be that crossbuilds to hppa can only be made on x86 15:49 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA7C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:54 < daja77> args the parisc ppl do not create tarballs of palo, will need cvs 16:02 < mnemoc> aarg... the default config said 'use utc instead of localtime', and init.d/system does hwclock --localtime :| 16:03 < mnemoc> daja77: building for parisc on a ppc? 16:04 < daja77> might not worl 16:04 < daja77> work 16:04 < daja77> no I have no ppc atm 16:16 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8CF20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:16 < blokkie> bugger bugger 16:17 < blokkie> OOo from source is giving me a headage 16:18 < mnemoc> java problem? 16:19 < daja77> OOo src is the headache 16:22 < blokkie> no java errors 16:22 < blokkie> even apache-ant works 16:23 < blokkie> configure is fine .. but when it builds a configure.status it bails out 16:23 < blokkie> configure: creating ./config.status 16:23 < blokkie> config.status: creating set_soenv 16:23 < blokkie> Setting up the environment for building OpenOffice.org 16:23 < blokkie> Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at ./set_soenv line 464. 16:23 < blokkie> and it go's on like that 16:25 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-212-144-061-232.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:25 < nzg> moin 16:25 < daja77> this parisc-linux project is really anoying sometimes 16:25 < daja77> Since Debian is the only distribution supporting PA-RISC architecture, if you want to use the Super Cow powers, you need to have some basic knowledge about the Debian packaging system. 16:26 < daja77> hello guys there is a gentoo port available for a while, and installing packages can be much easier when not using debian crap 16:27 < blokkie> :-) 16:27 < daja77> guess this howto needs soem rewrite 16:27 * blindy going home 16:27 < rxr> mnemoc: ntw, output is: 16:27 < rxr> tail: `-1' option is obsolete; use `-n 1' 16:27 < rxr> Try `tail --help' for more information. 16:32 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D856.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:37 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-212-144-061-232.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Money underrun - Disconnecting..."] 16:38 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 16:38 < MadTux> good day. 16:38 < blokkie> greetings MadTux 16:38 < daja77> rxr: is there a arch flag for hppa already? 16:44 < rxr> what kind of arch flag do you mean ? 16:44 < daja77> [R] + hppa <- sth like that 16:52 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-212-144-061-232.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:52 < nzg> re 16:56 < _Vr_> little question 16:57 < _Vr_> what time for router target compilation ? 16:58 < MadTux> what are the specs of the box u are going to use to build it? 16:59 < MadTux> _Vr_: ? 17:00 < _Vr_> hum 17:00 < _Vr_> intel P4 2.8 17:00 < _Vr_> 512Mo ram 17:00 < _Vr_> hyperthreading 17:00 < MadTux> _Vr_: around 6 hours the most. 17:00 < _Vr_> ok 17:00 < _Vr_> thx 17:00 < MadTux> u are very welcome. 17:00 < MadTux> :) 17:02 < _Vr_> :) 17:05 < _Vr_> what is process named "3" ? 17:10 < _Vr_> ? 17:13 < tcr> _Vr_, ps -fl -p 3 17:14 < tcr> oh, /named/ 3? 17:14 < _Vr_> yes 17:14 < _Vr_> 99.9 0.0 82:35.55 3 17:14 < _Vr_> hum hum 17:15 < _Vr_> %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 17:15 < _Vr_> 99.9 0.0 82:35.55 3 17:15 < _Vr_> it's the building process 17:15 < _Vr_> but what parts ? 17:16 < _Vr_> hum 17:16 < _Vr_> emacs -batch -q -eval (while load-path (princ (concat (car load-path) "\n")) ( 17:16 < _Vr_> what emacs is in building process ? 17:16 < _Vr_> s/what/why/ 17:17 < tcr> _Vr_, what's the parent process of it? 17:18 < tcr> (do you know the --forest option of ps?) 17:18 < _Vr_> /bin/sh ./configure --prefix=/home/vr/work/rocklinux/2.0-stable/build/default-2.0.2-x86-penti 17:18 < _Vr_> tcr: i ps -fax 17:18 < _Vr_> can i paste the tree ? 17:19 < _Vr_> 12 lines 17:19 < tcr> _Vr_, No, not needed. Just the whole invocation line of that command 17:19 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-212-144-061-232.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Money underrun - Disconnecting..."] 17:19 < tcr> (you cutted it by -penti...; the intersting stuff comes after that) 17:20 < _Vr_> hum 17:20 < _Vr_> little terminal 17:20 < _Vr_> :) 17:20 < tcr> less -S 17:22 < _Vr_> hum 17:22 < _Vr_> very very long line 17:22 < _Vr_> how to copypaste it ? 17:23 < _Vr_> this is base/gettext 17:23 < _Vr_> that compil 17:23 < tcr> So we have the cause 17:24 < _Vr_> ???* 17:24 < tcr> _Vr_, This answers your question. Gettext seems to make use of it in some way or another 17:25 < tcr> It's only indirectly related to Rock 17:25 < _Vr_> ok 17:45 -!- georg_s [~georg@M287P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 17:46 -!- georg_s is now known as georg_e_s 17:48 -!- kramer1980 [~dfds@cc101682-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [] 17:49 -!- georg_e_s [~georg@M287P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #rocklinux ["Come back soon ;)"] 17:50 -!- georg_e_s [~georg@M287P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 17:51 -!- georg_e_s [~georg@M287P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #rocklinux ["Come back soon ;)"] 17:53 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 18:06 < daja77> args this hppa shit gives me the creeps 18:10 < blokkie> what is hppa ? 18:10 < daja77> parisc based workstations by hp 18:10 < daja77> I am trying to push our port a bit forward 18:12 < blokkie> ah great :-) 18:12 < blokkie> I'm working on that amd port 18:12 < blokkie> at least .. trying atm 18:13 < blokkie> not much luck though, the env of Mandrake is _evil_ 18:13 < _Vr_> mdk sux 18:13 < blokkie> a subtile remark :-) 18:13 < daja77> blokkie: amd64 is not that sick 18:13 < _Vr_> blokkie: :) 18:14 < blokkie> I'm still learning daja77 , give me time and I will confirm your statement :-) 18:15 < daja77> *gg* 18:17 < mnemoc> re 18:18 < daja77> re mnemoc 18:18 < mnemoc> daja77! 18:23 -!- georg_e_s [~georg@M287P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:45 < rxr> hey - cool - we are on osnews.com - again 18:45 < daja77> thx to valentin 18:46 < rxr> seems we have a news rock-devel contributor 18:46 < daja77> rxr: do you have two minutes for me in query? 18:48 -!- BoS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-018-162.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:53 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA7C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:04 < daja77> <- off 19:25 < rxr> cu da 19:26 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@d5152E442.kabel.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:30 < rxr> oh mygod 19:30 < rxr> we really should keep us in news sites 19:31 < rxr> freshmeat + osnews + symlink makes my rocklinux-consulting.de hits go up like crazzy ... 19:33 < mnemoc> but we have never been slashdoted :( 19:34 < _Vr_> :) 19:46 -!- esden|zZz is now known as esden 19:46 < esden> hi all 19:50 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBF137.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:51 < _Vr_> hi esden 19:51 < rxr> mnemoc: I think this is difficult with a minor release 19:51 < rxr> mnemoc: I think 2.1-stable is the next /. chance ... 19:51 < mnemoc> i hope so 19:52 < rxr> at least rocklinux-consulting.de will not withstand the /. effect 19:52 < rxr> hopefully at least the rocklinux.{orig,net} will 19:53 < mnemoc> there is any reason to not do hwclock on system stop? 19:53 < mnemoc> is not needed? 19:54 < rxr> no I would not mess the system clock unecessarily 19:54 < rxr> --typos 19:54 < mnemoc> ok 19:55 < mnemoc> i'll go to lunch... cu :) 19:55 < blindy> hi esden 19:55 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-212-144-062-133.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:56 < nzg> moin 19:58 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBE784.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:08 < esden> hi _Vr_ blindy 20:08 < esden> hi nzg 20:08 < nzg> moin esden 20:19 -!- nookie [~nookie@M508P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:19 < _Vr_> == 15:50:29 =[1]=> Building base/gettext [0.12.1 2.0.2]. 20:20 < _Vr_> Thu May 27 20:20:03 CEST 2004 20:20 < _Vr_> is this possibly blocking ? 20:20 < _Vr_> it is at 98% since 15:50:29 20:20 < _Vr_> ??? 20:22 < rxr> yep - gettext compiles withint minutes ... 20:22 < _Vr_> hum hum 20:23 < rxr> what is your cpu load ? 20:23 < _Vr_> 1.3 20:24 < _Vr_> i stop it 20:24 < _Vr_> and reload 20:24 < rxr> nah 20:24 < rxr> what does top tell you 20:24 < rxr> which program consumes all the cpu time ? 20:24 < _Vr_> 1.34, 1.11, 1.04 20:24 < _Vr_> 3 20:24 < _Vr_> is the name 20:24 < _Vr_> :/ 20:24 < rxr> 3 ? 20:24 < _Vr_> yes 20:24 < _Vr_> 3 20:25 < _Vr_> :/ 20:25 < _Vr_> i've explained it 20:25 < _Vr_> below 20:25 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-212-144-062-133.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Money underrun - Disconnecting..."] 20:25 < rxr> what does pstree tell you is the call trace fo Build-Target ? 20:28 -!- georg_e_s [~georg@M287P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:30 -!- Worf [~worf@i-113.vc-graz.ac.at] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10"] 20:34 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB323.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:52 < blindy> /away gone 21:06 < christian_> anyone here who knows why: https://nopaste.php.cd/16792 21:07 < rxr> you mean who knows C++ ? 21:09 -!- Worf [~worf@i-113.vc-graz.ac.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:09 < rxr> christian_: you need at least typename instead of class in the template 21:10 < christian_> that means rxr? 21:12 < rxr> typename T::const_iterator iter; // l:138 21:12 < rxr> ^- should do 21:12 < christian_> ah tanks 21:13 < christian_> it works 21:15 < christian_> rxr :( 21:15 < rxr> christian_: ? 21:15 < christian_> if i use this function like this: 21:15 < christian_> echoVector(my_integer_vector, s); I get an error 21:15 -!- sabry80 [1000@62.211.53.73] has joined #rocklinux 21:15 < christian_> /tmp/ccB0EjM6.o(.text+0x63d): In function `CmkCalculator::fillPointerList()': 21:15 < christian_> : undefined reference to `void CmkString::echoVector<std::vector<int, std::allocator<int> > >(std::vector<int, std::allocator<int> >&, std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)' 21:15 < christian_> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 21:16 -!- sabry80 [1000@62.211.53.73] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 21:16 < rxr> christian_: ! 21:17 < christian_> hm :) 21:18 < christian_> what? 21:18 < rxr> tring your stuff 21:18 < rxr> works here - do you use g++ and not gcc ? 21:18 < christian_> i use g++ 21:20 < christian_> hmf :( 21:20 < rxr> do you use an serperate object - or is this in one file ? 21:21 < christian_> rxr, this function is a part of a class 21:21 < christian_> I generate a object of this class and use the template function with the class 21:22 -!- _wicked_ [wicked@r3s123.mistral.cz] has joined #rocklinux 21:22 < _wicked_> hi ppl 21:22 < christian_> jo _wicked_ 21:22 < _wicked_> err... you know, i want to ask you something about rocklinux 21:23 < _Vr_> don't ask to ask just say hello and ask :) 21:24 < christian_> rxr - *cry* 21:24 < christian_> rxr, need more sourcecode? 21:24 < rxr> christian_: hm ? 21:24 < _wicked_> ok so hello :) i want to install linux on my laptop (p100, 16 mb ram), i found rocklinux on distrowatch.com so i want to ask you about minimal requirements ... 21:25 < rxr> _wicked_: theoretically runs everywhere ... 21:25 < rxr> _wicked_: but my official ISOs are optimized for pentium-mmx 21:25 < rxr> _wicked_: but I got a report that they seem to run normal on classic pentiums anyway 21:26 < rxr> _wicked_: but I would not trust on it 21:26 < rxr> _wicked_: + our normal installer does use a rather huge ramdisk - your 16MB would be a bit tiny 21:26 < rxr> _wicked_: you either need to enable swap in the beginning 21:26 < _wicked_> yo, of course 21:27 < rxr> _wicked_: or use our small install image (selectable on CD) - but to be honest I nearly never use it - so I can not garnatee it works well .... :-( 21:27 < _wicked_> oh just another question: that laptop doesn't have CDROM so... it's a bit complicated... :) 21:28 < christian_> rxr hmn? :> 21:28 < rxr> ouhm - "no problem" - ROCK Linux is net installable (if you have another box as server) 21:28 < rxr> christian_: if you /need/ you can send me the source ... 21:28 < rxr> christian_: is this "urgent" ? 21:28 < _wicked_> ok i will try it 21:28 < _wicked_> thnx 21:28 < rxr> _wicked_: mom 21:28 < christian_> rxr hmn no :> 21:28 < rxr> _wicked_: do you ahve experience in network installations and such ? 21:29 < rxr> _wicked_: and another box as server ? 21:29 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAB323.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:29 < rxr> _wicked_: if you have not much net install experience make sure you have some documents hany - otherwise it might not be that much fun ... 21:31 < _wicked_> i know some linux/bsd distros and yes i use a lot net install :) 21:31 < rxr> ok - have fun 21:31 < rxr> (me hopes the small image works well ...) 21:32 < _wicked_> ok :) 21:34 < esden> very nice ... caching is giving over 50% speedup! 21:34 < esden> ohh ... wrong channel 21:37 < rxr> esden: caching of ? 21:42 < fake> boy am i tired 21:44 < mnemoc> rehi 21:49 < esden> rxr: caching of dependency information generated by the project scanner in autoautoconf 21:50 < esden> But I am sure that when I improove the caching (cache more and more exact) then I will gain even higher speedup 21:57 < mnemoc> esden: this means you are _really_ back? 21:58 < rxr> esden: autoautoconf it what ? 21:58 < esden> mnemoc: no ... it does not have anything to do with rocklinux 21:58 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-88-58.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #rocklinux 21:58 < mnemoc> :'( snif snif snif 21:59 < blokkie> re 21:59 < esden> rxr: it is something similar to Confix (a generator for autosplat files for a project (another meta level)) 21:59 < esden> but confix does not have all the functionality we need 22:00 < esden> so I wrote another version 22:00 < esden> or better "yet another one" 22:00 < esden> ohh poor mnemoc ;) 22:01 < mnemoc> don't laught 22:02 < esden> ok ... sorry 22:02 < esden> hmm ... strange ... still got not bashed by rxr for aac being ill ;) 22:03 < esden> it is somewhat ill after all ... but it is working pretty well ... and really saving time ... 22:06 < rxr> I do not know autoautoconf ... 22:06 < rxr> aht what is autosplat files? 22:06 < blokkie> autorererereconf :-) 22:06 < esden> sure you do not know it ... I have not released it yet ;) 22:07 < esden> rxr: autosplat = autoconf automake libtool and co. 22:07 < rxr> who names it autosplat ? 22:08 < esden> everyone who hates it ;) 22:08 < rxr> ok - and what have you changed on it ß 22:08 < esden> I read that in many places now... 22:08 < rxr> ? even 22:09 < esden> i have written an application that is scanning a source tree and creating Makefile.am files (for now but it will also generate configure.ac and co. later) 22:10 < rxr> hm 22:10 < esden> and that application has a working name autoautoconf 22:10 < blokkie> like reading the m4 files etc ? 22:10 < esden> will be called different when we release it ... someday ... when it is ready ;) 22:10 < esden> blokkie: which m4 files? 22:11 < esden> I am only creating the input for "autoreconf -i" 22:11 < esden> autoreconf is doing all the other stuff 22:11 < esden> I do not really care about it ;) 22:11 < blokkie> esden, that autoconf / aclocal use 22:11 < esden> blokkie: what for? 22:11 < rxr> this auto* dung is that ill I would not even thing about creating input for it ... 22:12 < rxr> but anyway - much fun 22:12 < rxr> hope it does not take you away from ROCK all the time ... 22:12 < esden> I read the directory structure and what cpp and hpp files are there ... it does not have to read m4 crap 22:13 < esden> rxr: no ... my main task currently is writing a threading c++ library 22:14 < esden> rxr: I hate autoconf ... but there is nothing better out there ... and I _really_ do not want to write a replacement for it by myself 22:16 < rxr> does it do threading - or more? 22:16 < rxr> there are tons of threading libraries out here ... 22:16 < rxr> there even 22:17 < esden> rxr: yes there are lots of threading libraries out there ... but none is sutable for our needs ... 22:17 < rxr> and what is that special w/ your needs ? 22:17 < esden> we need the functionality near to the one in ACE but it is very oldstyle code ... 22:17 < esden> and none of other threading libaries is providing enough functionality or is written clean enough 22:18 < rxr> ACE is oldstyle ? 22:18 < rxr> (/me never took a look into ACE ...) 22:19 < esden> sure ... it can be compiled on everything from a normal pc to a cray ... and so they are using only the structures that are avalable in all c++ compilers 22:19 < esden> they also run on a cray ... imagine that! 22:20 < esden> so they are for example nearly nowhere using templates 22:20 < esden> because there are only few compilers supporting templates in a wide range 22:20 < rxr> yeah - sure 22:21 < rxr> ok - /me looking forward to your threading++ library 22:21 < esden> we only support icc gcc and perhups the solaris compiler (we have not yet lookt at it so that is unsure) 22:22 < esden> so we use nearly everything icc and gcc provide 22:22 < esden> to get clean and nice designed code 22:23 < esden> our boss is a real c++ crack ... that is really ill ;) 22:23 < esden> that guy is speaking c++ ;) 22:29 * rxr not ? 22:30 < rxr> esden: btw, you might want to use gcc-3.4 if you do not do so already 22:30 < rxr> esden: it is even more picky about the code you thow thru it .. 22:30 < rxr> throw even ... 22:31 < esden> rxr: I know that ... but currently we use 3.3.x iirc ... and I tryed to compile with 3.4 and have not yet fixed our code so that it compiles under 3.4 ... but it is the next task I want to do 22:31 < esden> but first aac has to work correctly ... after that I can do more funny things ;) 22:32 < rxr> openssl "make test" is nice 22:34 < esden> humm ... I have to take a look at it ... 22:35 < esden> we have also an active and passive testing framework for our code ... it is surely interesting what others have ;) 22:38 -!- _wicked_ [wicked@r3s123.mistral.cz] has quit ["pajpa v riti."] 22:38 -!- dominik_ [~dominik@sigenv.arpa-net.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:38 -!- dominik_ is now known as netcrow 22:38 -!- netcrow [~dominik@sigenv.arpa-net.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:38 -!- blokkie [~blokkie@83-134-88-58.Kortrijk.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:42 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@sigenv.arpa-net.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:46 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@sigenv.arpa-net.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:47 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@sigenv.arpa-net.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:37 < SMP> rxr: what does it do? same as "openssl speed"? 23:38 < rxr> nice testsuit ... 23:38 < rxr> I have not yet tried spped 23:38 < rxr> will look at it now ... 23:40 < rxr> hm - interesting 23:40 < rxr> but useless for benchmarks ... 23:41 < SMP> why? 23:41 < rxr> because it seems to do fixed time looping 23:41 < rxr> and you have to parse the output then ... 23:41 < rxr> far easier would be a fixed loop count ... 23:42 < SMP> wait till it's finished ;) 23:43 < rxr> what does it do at the ened ? 23:44 < SMP> or try -mr 23:45 < rxr> already found -mt 23:45 < rxr> -mr even ... 23:51 < rxr> 800Mhz iBook: 23:51 < rxr> sign verify sign/s verify/s 23:51 < rxr> rsa 512 bits 0.0030s 0.0003s 330.7 3401.6 23:51 < rxr> rsa 1024 bits 0.0171s 0.0009s 58.6 1064.6 23:51 < rxr> rsa 2048 bits 0.1111s 0.0033s 9.0 305.7 23:51 < rxr> rsa 4096 bits 0.7633s 0.0119s 1.3 84.1 23:51 < rxr> sign verify sign/s verify/s 23:51 < rxr> dsa 512 bits 0.0028s 0.0034s 357.5 296.8 23:51 < rxr> dsa 1024 bits 0.0091s 0.0112s 109.6 89.6 23:51 < rxr> dsa 2048 bits 0.0319s 0.0393s 31.3 25.4 23:52 < SMP> ouch 23:54 < rxr> without much optimizations applied ... 23:55 < rxr> (e.g. no -mcpu=powerpc -mtune=750 ... 23:55 < SMP> that's half the speed of a Piii-800 23:55 < rxr> ) 23:55 < SMP> no too bad 23:56 < SMP> not too bad 23:56 < rxr> hm - taken a look again, it should have been the optimized bin 23:57 < SMP> does it use the AltiVec unit? 23:59 < rxr> no - I have a G3 wo/ Altivec 23:59 < rxr> ok this is an athlon-xp: 23:59 < rxr> sign verify sign/s verify/s 23:59 < rxr> rsa 512 bits 0.0007s 0.0001s 1362.8 14649.4 23:59 < rxr> rsa 1024 bits 0.0033s 0.0002s 304.0 5656.6 23:59 < rxr> rsa 2048 bits 0.0187s 0.0006s 53.4 1812.3 23:59 < rxr> rsa 4096 bits 0.1230s 0.0019s 8.1 519.8 23:59 < rxr> sign verify sign/s verify/s 23:59 < rxr> dsa 512 bits 0.0006s 0.0007s 1619.9 1387.3 23:59 < rxr> dsa 1024 bits 0.0016s 0.0019s 622.9 524.8 23:59 < rxr> dsa 2048 bits 0.0051s 0.0061s 197.5 164.7 --- Log closed Fri May 28 00:00:08 2004