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--- Log opened Mon May 31 00:00:20 2004 00:17 < rxr> SMP: so -ipo_obj might help ß 00:17 < rxr> ? damn 00:18 < SMP> -ip 00:18 < SMP> but I suspect that's not going to be very efficient 00:19 < SMP> with lots of scattered source files at least 00:20 < rxr> yeah - with "lots of scattered source files" is the standard compile process of most packages ... 00:20 * rxr waiting for openssl results ... 00:21 < SMP> try something that exercises floating-point math ... 00:21 < SMP> or, ideally, that can be vectorized ;-> 00:22 < rxr> SMP: do you know packages that contains vectorizable code? 00:22 < rxr> libmad? ogg-vorbis? 00:22 < rxr> mplayer at least should? 00:22 < SMP> no idea 00:23 < rxr> ouhm 00:23 < SMP> did I ever show my cross-compiler-cross-platform vector-fp bench? 00:24 < SMP> it's really just a stupid little piece of code - but depending on the compiler it can be dog slow (sparc-gcc) or really fast (icc) 00:26 < rxr> openssl seem to get miscompiled by icc 00:26 < rxr> fast crypt test 00:26 < rxr> make[1]: *** [test_des] Error 1 00:26 < SMP> huh 00:33 < rxr> hm - quite many errors ... 00:41 < rxr> hm - speed does "s.th." 00:41 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9AC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:42 * rxr checking if gnupg procudes the same junk 00:42 < rxr> btw, is icc built using gcc2 ? 00:42 < SMP> eh? 00:42 < rxr> objdump has tiny indications of this 00:45 < SMP> I guess the linker puts it in 00:45 < SMP> hmm, no 00:46 < SMP> well, my icc-built objects have these hints, too, soo ... 00:47 < rxr> a ICC'ed gnupg passes all checks 00:47 < rxr> there must be s.th. openssl specific that hardly breaks it ... 00:47 < rxr> SMP: have you ever tried openssl w/ icc ? 00:49 < SMP> nope 00:49 < rxr> and I have not even used -ipo 00:50 < rxr> just plain -O2 00:51 < rxr> hm - seems to be alignment issues 00:54 < rxr> testing with -noalign ... 00:56 < rxr> hm - fails the same way 00:56 < rxr> -O0 00:58 < rxr> oh - -O0 works ;-) 00:59 < rxr> passes all test ... 00:59 < rxr> hm 00:59 < rxr> what do I do know? Report it to Intel? 01:00 < daja77> yeah in a tar.gz wrapped rpm file 01:00 < rxr> openssl-0.9.7d miscompiled by ICC 01:01 < rxr> 8.0.055 when installed on the unsupported platform ROCK Linux 1.7-snapshot (2003/03/29) 01:01 < rxr> run on Athlon-XP-2500 01:01 < rxr> hum 01:01 < rxr> guess nobody cares 01:01 * daja77 off to bed now 01:01 < rxr> cu daja77 01:02 < SMP> what's the fuss about rpms in a tar.gz? extract the tar, rpm2cpio | cpio -i the rpms, done. 01:03 < daja77> it is just stupid 01:03 < rxr> SMP: that they could offer them in single junks ... 01:03 < SMP> nobody needs them that way 01:04 < rxr> I only need on of the 6 RPMs 01:04 < rxr> one even 01:04 < rxr> SMP: btw, -O2 already incldue -ip 01:09 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD9523081.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:09 < demian> hi 01:12 < rxr> SMP: is there no way to disable single optimizations? So I could find the optimization method that breaks openssl ? 01:14 < SMP> I'm not aware of a way 01:16 < rxr> hm - that is bad 01:16 < rxr> so I either switch to openssl speed as test (and ignore the wrong results) 01:16 < rxr> or I have no icc numbers ... 01:21 < rxr> ok - at least libmad seems to generate results, too 01:29 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD9523081.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 01:36 < rxr> icc looses badly on gnupg (and libmad) 01:38 < rxr> ah - no bug in my script 01:40 * rxr finally needs to add ogg-vorbis to the tests - and a C++ app 01:40 < rxr> SMP: do you have other preferred benchmark apps? Maybe even s.th. in min in C++ that is useful for benchmarks ? 01:40 < rxr> (povray is plain C, isn't it? 01:40 < rxr> ) 01:44 < rxr> hm- icc clearly is no wonder tool to speed up anything 01:44 < rxr> gcc seems to be much better e.g. at gnupg 01:44 < fake> grr... 01:44 * fake cleaning up laptop hd for 4 hours, trying to find out what uses so much disk space 01:44 < fake> now i notice 10GB unallocated disk space ... 01:48 < rxr> https://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat-rt-athlon-icc.png 01:48 < rxr> ^- preleminary icc results 01:48 < rxr> openssl defect 01:49 < rxr> hm - for gnupg, where gcc is far better in optimizing, the gcc's also spend far more time on the files 01:50 * rxr needs more tests - and larget data sets ... 01:53 < _Vr_> why router target does not accept adding other package from Config script ? 01:55 < rxr> _Vr_: AFAIR it does - it just does not add them into the image I think ... 01:56 < _Vr_> AFAIR ? 01:57 < SMP> rxr: no, I never really tried benchmarking any apps 01:58 < _Vr_> rxr: it does not download it and so does not compil so it does not include it in the iso 01:58 < _Vr_> :// 01:59 -!- esden|bbl is now known as esden 01:59 < esden> hi all 01:59 < _Vr_> hi esden 01:59 < esden> guys I found soumething! 01:59 < _Vr_> what ? 02:00 < rxr> SMP: ok - thanks anyway 02:00 < esden> clifford is on one photo's of thumb wrestling ... 02:00 < esden> one moment ... I send you the link 02:00 < rxr> (the 2.6 kernel also seems to be quite reluctant to be compiled w/ icc) 02:00 < esden> the main site : https://www.monochrom.at/daumen/index-eng.htm 02:01 < esden> the image: https://www.monochrom.at/daumen/IMG_6762.jpg 02:01 < esden> cool 02:01 < esden> the internet is so small!@ 02:01 < rxr> ah rafaelt I think 02:02 < esden> ? 02:02 < rxr> the other person on the photo 02:02 < rxr> IIR the name correctly 02:02 < rxr> or ph 02:02 < rxr> ah anyway 02:02 < rxr> damn icc 02:05 < fake> when is linuxtag? 02:07 < rxr> end of june 02:07 < fake> hrmpf... 02:07 < rxr> linux26 w/ icc is too ugly for me 02:07 < rxr> I do not try this further 02:07 < rxr> fake: ? 02:08 < fake> end of june is bad 02:08 < fake> 23 - 26 02:08 < fake> that's ok 02:08 < esden> rxr: ok ... good to know 02:08 < esden> ok ... now I am off for bed/home ... cu guys 02:09 -!- esden is now known as esden| 02:09 < fake> cu esden! 02:09 -!- esden| is now known as esden|zZz 02:13 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 02:16 < rxr> SMP: icc does vectorize stuff in gzip 02:17 < _Vr_> rxr: really no doc for create a target ? 02:18 < rxr> _Vr_: no sorry not yet 02:18 < rxr> _Vr_: what exactly do you want to know? 02:19 < rxr> _Vr_: just browse thru the existing targets 02:19 < rxr> and you should get the idea how it woks 02:19 < _Vr_> ok 02:19 < _Vr_> i want to properly add openvpn in router target 02:20 < _Vr_> with custom thing after 02:21 < rxr> have you finally added both, the lzo and openvpn to the build.sh line where iptables and iproute2 get embedded into the imagee ? 02:21 < _Vr_> no in images at all 02:22 < _Vr_> build but no insert in 02:23 < rxr> images? 02:23 < _Vr_> iso 02:23 < _Vr_> :/ 02:24 < rxr> iso? 02:24 < _Vr_> not insert in .iso file 02:24 < rxr> yes, sure 02:24 < rxr> but have you modified line 33 of target/router/build.sh 02:24 < rxr> ? 02:24 < rxr> from: 02:24 < rxr> for x in iproute2 iptables 02:24 < rxr> do 02:24 < rxr> to: 02:25 < rxr> for x in iproute2 iptables lzo openvpn 02:25 < rxr> do 02:25 < rxr> or so 02:25 < rxr> whatever this lzo thing was named 02:25 < _Vr_> hum 02:26 * _Vr_ recheck all necessary script 02:27 < _Vr_> yes 02:27 < _Vr_> i've done this yesterday 02:27 < _Vr_> no change 02:29 < _Vr_> why here and not here "for x in bash" 02:29 < _Vr_> ? 02:33 < _Vr_> i retry building i've added pkgconfig after talking to mnemoc 02:34 < _Vr_> dependance of my added package is file and indent 02:35 < _Vr_> i try in 2.1_DEV 02:40 < rxr> SMP: icc is doing crazzy things: 02:40 < rxr> https://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat-rt-athlon-icc-xK.png 02:40 < rxr> it clearly needs some tuning from the Intel people 02:40 < rxr> for some load charakteristics 02:41 < rxr> it does not liek gnupg - and -xK does make it worse! 02:41 < rxr> however it finds quite a look in gzip to vectorize ... 02:42 < rxr> too bad it miscompiler opensll ... 02:42 < rxr> openssl even 02:42 < rxr> seems I need to go to bed 02:45 < _Vr_> :) 02:45 < rxr> _Vr_: depends what you need from the package - just one binary or the whole package 02:46 < _Vr_> whole package include documentation and what other ? 02:48 < rxr> _Vr_: I'm unsure if it includes docu - or if such stuff is stripped in the router thing anyway 02:48 < rxr> _Vr_: i can take a look the next days 02:48 < rxr> but first I need to finish commercial article work 02:48 < _Vr_> finish finish 02:48 < _Vr_> :) 02:49 < _Vr_> i'm not hurry 02:49 < _Vr_> i've a coyote linux that do essential job for the moment 02:56 < rxr> hm - with -xK openssl make test goes further - but does not finish neither 02:56 < rxr> strange compiler - I would not feed it with vital source 02:58 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-212-144-033-145.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:03 < nzg> moin 03:16 -!- nookie [~nookie@M275P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:17 -!- nookie [~nookie@M490P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 03:24 < rxr> Wow - the Intel ICC User's Guide lists exactly "two" (2!) options 03:24 < rxr> for "Restricting Optimizations" ... 03:30 < rxr> hm - maybe OPENSSL_NO_ASM ... 03:30 < rxr> and no google reference 03:31 < rxr> although some FreeBSD people discuss whether the ICC generates code not correctly executed on Athlons ... 03:32 < rxr> hm - no fails the same way 03:33 < rxr> too bad I only have one usable x86 system 03:33 < rxr> hm - I could thrwo the binary into bochs on my iBook ... 03:33 < rxr> or VirtualPC on MacOSX ... 03:50 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@dialin-212-144-033-145.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:51 < _Vr_> trying to build with gcc 3.2.3 03:51 < _Vr_> ... 03:51 < _Vr_> hope it work 04:01 -!- blindy_ [~blindcode@pD9E4FC74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:02 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p50801ABF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:02 -!- blindy_ is now known as blindy 04:53 < mnemoc> rehi 04:56 -!- esden|zZz [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:04 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-4-235.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 06:22 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-4-119.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:22 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 07:55 -!- lowy [erwin@pD9EBE93C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:15 -!- LowLander [erwin@pD9EBDD59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:03 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD953006C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:22 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39AFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:29 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD953006C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:09 < netrunner> moin 10:10 < dsoul> hi netrunner 10:10 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39AFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:32 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABDE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:47 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39678.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:05 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39FCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:11 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39678.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:17 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M321P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:22 < _Vr_> hi * 11:22 < daja77> hi _Vr_ 11:22 < _Vr_> :) 11:22 < netrunner> hi vr, daja77, dsoul 11:22 < _Vr_> :) 11:22 < daja77> hi netrunner 11:25 -!- Gringotts [~chatzilla@30-237.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #rocklinux 11:26 -!- lowy is now known as LowLander 11:27 * netrunner plans to supply a minimal_uml to users who want to build rock ... 11:27 < netrunner> anybody here has experience with paypal? 11:27 < LowLander> nope 11:27 < _Vr_> nope 11:28 < LowLander> morning btw 11:28 < _Vr_> rxr i think 11:28 * daja77 used paypal 11:29 < netrunner> daja77: do they charge much? do they use an intermediate konto? 11:29 < daja77> first dunno just paid someone, 2nd yes 11:30 < netrunner> hm... can you easily put and get money to/from there? 11:30 < daja77> via visa/mastercard iirc 11:30 < netrunner> I think I'll just try. costs nothing if I read correctly 11:32 < LowLander> if something costs nothing , you better read it again :-) 11:34 -!- nookie [~nookie@M490P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:41 -!- Gringotts [~chatzilla@30-237.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040308]"] 11:41 < netrunner> funny, one song from 2 interprets at the same time in the charts, nobody knows the difference, everybody mixes them up. 11:42 < netrunner> truth is that the first copied from the second. but the thieves are in the charts. 11:43 < blindy> moin 11:44 < _Vr_> hi blindy 12:25 < rxr> rehi 12:28 < _Vr_> hi rxr 12:29 < luckz> netrunner, so what? 12:29 < luckz> i know people who copied songs before they even came out 12:29 < luckz> +of 12:35 < netrunner> luckz: the funny thing is they are both played. and nobody realises it. 12:36 < luckz> and those songs would be? 12:38 < rxr> https://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat-rt-athlon-icc-xK2.png 12:38 < rxr> ^- openssl is just proof of concept - the results are incorrect due to miscompiliation of icc ... 12:38 < luckz> rxr, am i supposed to understand that? 12:40 < rxr> luckz: the graph? 12:40 < luckz> yessss 12:40 < rxr> seems so 12:41 < rxr> what is to difficult w/ the graph? Runtime of several test-benchmarks with several compilers 12:44 < rxr> https://rocklinux-consulting.de/stat-rt-g3-2.png 12:44 < rxr> ^- and this is the new one for g3 12:57 -!- christian_ [~christian@pD9E39FCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:59 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39FCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:00 [Users #rocklinux] 13:00 [ _Vr_ ] [ fake ] [ LowLander] [ netrunner] [ snyke] [ valentin] 13:00 [ blindy] [ Freak ] [ luckz ] [ nookie_ ] [ tcr ] 13:00 [ BoS_ ] [ Frederic] [ mistik1 ] [ owl ] [ tfing] 13:00 [ daja77] [ kasc ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ th_ ] 13:00 [ dsoul ] [ Lorini ] [ netcrow ] [ SMP ] [ togg ] 13:00 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 26 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 26 normal] 13:49 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: blindy, daja77, mistik1 13:50 -!- Netsplit over, joins: blindy, mistik1, daja77 13:50 < luckz> uh? 13:50 < luckz> server died? 13:58 < daja77> 13:57 < iceblox_> .oO(One day I will find this peer guy and reset HIS connection) 14:02 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: daja77, blindy, valentin, tfing, netrunner, Frederic, nookie_, mistik1, togg, LowLander 14:03 -!- Netsplit over, joins: valentin, Frederic, nookie_, LowLander, tfing, netrunner, togg 14:03 -!- daja77 [[YqFFKC2oZ@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:03 -!- Netsplit over, joins: blindy 14:04 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mistik1 14:05 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9E8EE4B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:06 -!- daja77 [[YqFFKC2oZ@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit [Killed by tenn.freenode.net (Nick collision)] 14:06 -!- daja77_ [[2Cy2BCx59@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:06 -!- daja77 [[2Cez5h3Ij@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:06 -!- daja77 [[2Cez5h3Ij@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 14:10 -!- daja77_ is now known as daja77 14:25 -!- trekkie3k [k3t@pD9E8EE4B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Why?"] 14:51 -!- BoS_ [~BoS@dialin-145-254-169-101.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:09 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:09 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39FCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:11 < netrunner> what means svn: Out of date: '/WORK' in transaction '5x' ? 15:11 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39FCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:39 < netrunner> hm, svn revert . helped, but what was it ... 15:40 < rxr> svn up 15:48 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABDE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:55 * netrunner now has a working scripts/Create-UMLRootfs 15:59 < _Vr_> :) 16:05 < netrunner> vr: you smoke too much 16:09 < rxr> netrunner: ? 16:11 < netrunner> he smiles :) 16:16 < rxr> we all smile often ... 16:16 < _Vr_> :) 16:16 < _Vr_> lol 16:16 * _Vr_ like smiling 16:16 < _Vr_> :) 16:16 < rxr> we would be some kind of M$ morons if we would not do ;-) 16:16 < _Vr_> lol 16:26 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39FCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:26 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39FCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:51 < rxr> SMP: icc also miscompiles Botan 16:51 < rxr> https://botan.randombit.net/ 16:52 < rxr> my preleminary conclusion: ICC is more instable than a random GCC CVS snapshot 16:52 < rxr> I would not recommend it for any serious use. 16:52 < LowLander> Instable C Compiler ? 16:53 < rxr> even gcc-3.5-2004-05-xx is more usable 16:53 < rxr> LowLander: yeah - seems so 16:53 < LowLander> afternoon, btw 16:53 < rxr> SMP: and although it vectorizes parts of GSMP - there also Verify tests fail 16:54 < rxr> SMP: and GCC-3.2.3 is faster for GSMP in many places, and ICC has rather random performance charakteristics on GSMP - and GSMP is modern C++ code without any G++ assumptions ... 16:54 * rxr off for a while ... 16:55 < rxr> ah - and btw, for Botan I even get: 16:55 < rxr> Testing RW/EMSA2(SHA-1): ..Floating point exception (core dumped) 16:55 < rxr> where the same (C++) code compiles fine using varous GCC on x86 and PowerPC ... 16:55 < rxr> so not the typical dirty C hacking code ... 16:56 * rxr now really off 17:02 * netrunner sent the create-umlrootfs, if anybody wants to take a look 17:02 < netrunner> bbl 17:05 < rxr> cu netrunner - me back in some hours, too 17:06 -!- esden [~esdentem@apeiron-group.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:06 < esden> hi all 17:28 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD9E0AE63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:28 < demian> hi 17:54 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD9E0AE63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 18:19 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:29 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:33 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C76C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:36 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C489.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:06 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39FCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:17 -!- nookie [~nookie@M287P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:20 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M321P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:29 -!- _Vr_ [~vr@cryogenia.devnullteam.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:35 -!- _Vr_ [~vr@cryogenia.devnullteam.org] has joined #rocklinux 19:35 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8C043.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:47 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C489.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:57 -!- Frederic [~christian@pD9E39FCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:12 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA834.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:15 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:24 < rxr> re 21:35 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C5F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:41 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:42 < netrunner> re 21:47 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8C043.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:49 < _Vr_> re 21:51 < rxr> hi 22:21 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA834.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:30 * netrunner wonders if anybody feels curious enough to try my uml stuff .) 22:39 -!- georg_e_s [~georg@M327P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 22:46 -!- georg_e_s [~georg@M327P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #rocklinux ["[Zzzzzz]"] 23:21 < netrunner> hm ... just learned that the uml game does not work with the bootdisk target .) 23:24 < _Vr_> hum 23:24 < _Vr_> what is uml ? 23:24 < _Vr_> :) 23:24 < rxr> user-mode linux 23:25 < _Vr_> hum ok 23:25 < _Vr_> i see 23:26 < rxr> (at least in this case - useless (err unified or so) modelling language) in others 23:27 < mistik1> netrunner: you created a uml target? 23:28 < netrunner> mistik1: no, I appended uml_utilities with an option to patch the kernel 23:28 < mistik1> pretty slick 23:28 < netrunner> mistik1: and I created a scripts/Create-UMLRootfs to create a rootfs from such a build 23:28 < netrunner> why? 23:29 < mistik1> slick because uml rocks 23:30 < netrunner> oh, i thought you meant sick 23:31 < dsoul> what about lvm? 23:31 * netrunner wants to provide users that want to build rock on weird hardware with an UML they can run on their system and build uml within 23:44 < esden> hmm ... thunderbird seems to be nice ... but it also seems to have some bugs ... that is sad 23:45 < rxr> esden: it is alpha or beta - a preview ... 23:46 < esden> ahh yes right 23:46 < esden> it is 23:47 < esden> but is is usable already ... (it has not eaten my mails yet ;) 23:56 < netrunner> n8 --- Log closed Tue Jun 01 00:00:38 2004