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00:12 < nzg> https://humorix.org/articles/2004/05/tinfoil/
00:12 < nzg> ;-)
00:16 < rxr> cu tomorrow ... - n8 all
00:17 < daja77> n8 rxr
00:18 < Vroum> gn8 rxr
00:22 < nzg> n8 rxr
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01:04 < nzg> remoin
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01:07 < Vroum> n8
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07:00 < rxr> re
07:00 < rxr> moin
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09:34 < rxr> hm - noone awake ... :-(
09:36 < BoS> none ?
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09:39 < daja77> hi rxr 
09:39 < rxr> hi daja77 !
09:40 < daja77> :)
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09:42 < daja77> rxr: do you update kde?
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09:48 < rxr> yep
09:49 < daja77> they changelog says nothing about gcc-3.4 fixes
09:49 < daja77> I was pointed to some patches from the arklinux packager
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09:50 < daja77> danimo dragged me into kde dev chan ...
09:51 < rxr> dragged you?
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09:51  * rxr is not going arklinux patches ...
09:51 < rxr> I either do them myself ...
09:51 < daja77> erhm advised me to
09:52 < daja77> rxr: I've looked at the patches, they are crap
09:52 < daja77> this guy was either sleepy or on drugs
09:53 < rxr> maybe both ..
09:53 < daja77> hehe
09:53 < daja77> so you have experience with the arklinux ppl?
09:53 < rxr> no
09:53 < rxr> I build on my gcc-3.4 iBook and fix failures on the fly now ...
09:53 < daja77> k.
09:54 < rxr> kde-devel seems to wake up ...
09:54 < daja77> hehe you are there too :)
09:55 < tcr> moin all
09:55 < daja77> they have a bit more traffic then we have :)
09:55 < daja77> moin tcr 
09:57 < tcr> rxr: What will your gcc article in the LM be about?
09:57 < tcr> benchmarking compilation and the resulted binaries?
09:58 < rxr> a general overview about gcc development, too
09:59 < tcr> Is it going to be published online anytime (like a month after having being published in LM)?
09:59 < daja77> will you mention the annoying parts of that development too :)
09:59 < rxr> I more likely 1/2 or 1 year after print 
10:00 < rxr> I think even
10:00 < rxr> daja77: what annoying parts?
10:00 < daja77> that having to fix many code part
10:00 < rxr> not mandz
10:01 < rxr> 3.3 -> 3.4 has only been fixing trival ones
10:01 < rxr> you should have seen 2.95.3 -> 3.0 times ..
10:01 < rxr> this was _much_ fixing 
10:01 < daja77> hm
10:02 < rxr> hm - should recompile svn on my U5 0.29 is quite old
10:03 < daja77> indeed
10:26 < rxr> maybe I have a bootable CD for sparc in some hours - to finally silence those sparc screamers ...
10:27 < owl> moin *yawn*
10:31 < blindy> moin
10:32 < owl> hi blindy ! :)
10:33 < blindy> moin owly ^_^
10:41 < rxr> netrunner: LT just comes to my mind
10:41 < rxr> netrunner: what is the orga status ?
10:42 < rxr> netrunner: btw. I phoned clifford yesterday, there really is no beamer in the booth equipment ...
10:42 < rxr> just tables and co
10:42 < rxr> (if we ever get it since it never got collected - so it might be already be dumped into some waste-container)
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11:17 < togg> moin all
11:18 < rxr> moin togg
11:18 < togg> I just wanted to mention that the new glibc used in svn head is not error free :)
11:18 < togg> e.g. busybox wont work correctly with it... 
11:18 < rxr> hm - synthom? fix?
11:18 < togg> grep, sed and such busybox tools had segmentation fault...
11:19 < rxr> backtrace? (best from a binary with debugging symbols?
11:20 < rxr> btw, might also be a busybox bug just hidden with other libcs yet
11:20 < rxr> e.g. the glibc in HEAD works fine on the iBook I just typo - and other x86 buidls ....
11:21 < togg> other programs also work fine
11:21 < togg> i ll post to busybox mailinglist :)
11:21 < rxr> you can also CC rock-devel
11:22 < rxr> best to attach a backtrace including debugging symbols ...
11:24 < togg> backtrace? howto?
11:24 < rxr> gdb binary-name
11:24 < rxr> r
11:24 < rxr> (r == run)
11:25 < rxr> and on the crash
11:25 < rxr> bt
11:25 < rxr> (bt == backtrace)
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11:25 < rxr> just writing "hey xyz crahses" is useless - you need to include information what failed in which way
11:27 < togg> hmm i dont have gdb on my routers ;)
11:27 < rxr> is it statically linked?
11:27 < netrunner> rxr: I never said there's a beamer.
11:28 < rxr> netrunner: no - but AFAIR you though - I just wanted to provide you with updated information ...
11:28 < togg> busybox? no.
11:29 < togg> I now downgrade to 2.3.2 glibc and try if the error hides again ...
11:29 < rxr> tought even
11:32  * rxr needs a faster sparc ...
11:32 < netrunner> rxr: I thought there would be a beamer wall, the thing a beamer projects on to.
11:33 < rxr> ahha ...
11:33 < rxr> netrunner: what is the general updated status now?
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11:50 < rxr> cool - CD boots on my U5 now
11:50 < rxr> well - ok, not perfectly yet ...
11:51 < rxr> I think after luch I can update the recent news entry
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11:51 < netrunner> rxr: I am looking for company on tuesday.
11:52 < rxr> RS/6000 and UltraSPARC bootable CD within one week ...
11:52 < rxr> netrunner: company what?
11:53 < netrunner> rxr: I wonder who else would arrive on tuesday
11:53 < netrunner> company=gesellschaft
11:54 < rxr> netrunner: thanks for the translation - I already knew this and was jsut curious what you really meant
11:54 < rxr> netrunner: it seems clifford is also only 1 1/2 days at LT
11:54 < rxr> so valentin and I will be there the full 4 days - (most probably)
11:55 < rxr> but I would like to arrive wed earliest ...
11:55 < rxr> if 200% neccessary on tu ...
12:02 < netrunner> I think it suffices to arrive wed _early_, before it opens for the public. I read other groups plan to do so.
12:02 < netrunner> I'll check that with the orga.
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12:24 < richard_jw> salut!
12:25 < jsaw> hi all
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13:03 < jsaw> rxr: ping
13:18 < netrunne1> rxr: we have to set up the booth on tue.
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13:23 < jsaw> netrunner: what else do I have to do besides the "vorregistrierung" (and convincing my boss to get free)?
13:26 < netrunner> jsaw: have I registered you?
13:26 < netrunner> jsaw: arrive on tuesday :) do you have a spare beamer?
13:27 < jsaw> netrunner: no you don't registered me
13:27 < jsaw> netrunner: that also depends if I can convince my boss...
13:31 < netrunner> jsaw: which mailadress do you want me to use?
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13:42 < netrunner> bbl
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13:47 < richard_jw> https://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookse4.html#x11-110002.4 describes a minimal target, i can't find it in the 2.0.1-source?! am i wrong?
13:48 < jsaw> it's not in the target/ dir?
13:52 < rxr> richard_jw: the minimal is now a package selection template
13:53 < rxr> just choose generic or desktop and in the expert options the minimal or minimal+xfree package selection template
13:53 < rxr> hi jsaw 
13:53 < jsaw> oh damn, one week away and i forgot everything (...) 
13:53 < jsaw> hi rxr
13:54  * jsaw needs a non-volatile memory for his brain
13:54 < rxr> jsaw: would be really great if you could attend the LT!
13:55 < jsaw> I'll be there at least one day.
13:55 < rxr> cool
13:55 < rxr> netrunner: if necessary valentin and I would be there tu
13:59 < richard_jw> rxr, thx :)
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14:25 < nzg> moin
14:26 < Vroum> moin all
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14:39 < Vroum> i've a pb with creating iso
14:40 < Vroum> i have added openvpn in the iso router
14:40 < Vroum> but it is not included in the iso
14:40 < Vroum> any idea ?
14:41 < daja77> how you added it?
14:42 < Vroum> i've added it in the pkgsel.sh
14:43 < Vroum> and in the build.sh
14:43 < Vroum> it donload it
14:43 < Vroum> build it
14:44 < Vroum> but not include in the iso
14:45 < Vroum> when i type Create-Iso
14:45 < daja77> iirc the router target has an own scripts for iso creation, perhaps you should look at that
14:45 < Vroum> hum
14:45 < Vroum> i look
14:45 < daja77> the router target does create an iso after building automatically no?
14:46 < Vroum> hum
14:46 < Vroum> i don't see this
14:47 < Vroum> where is it if it build ?
14:48 < daja77> dunno, you could check the build log output if it does
14:48 < Vroum> ok
14:53 < blindy> rehi
14:55 < Vroum> hi blindy 
14:57 < Vroum> daja77: don't see it
14:57 < blindy> Guess I won't need anything to eat until around Sunday evening :/
14:57 < daja77> hm ok maybe this has been changed
14:57 < daja77> blindy: ?
14:57 < blindy> daja77: I've had "Peking Duck"
14:58 < blindy> a six course menu
14:59 < blindy> and I feel like my stomach is going to burst
14:59 < daja77> hrhr
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15:09 < rolla> re
15:11 < daja77> hi rolla 
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15:50 < mnemoc> rehi
15:50 < tcr> moin mnemoc
15:51 < mnemoc> hi tcr
15:51  * tcr just survided a quite heavy storm :)
15:51 < tcr> survived
15:51 < mnemoc> street?
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15:53 < tcr> mnemoc, no but some lighting was *pretty* close to this house... and I all of my computers were switched on
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15:54 < MadTux> hello.
15:54 < owl> hi MadTux 
15:54 < mnemoc> tuxie! :)
15:54 < mnemoc> owl!
15:54 < MadTux> good day sed :)
15:54 < MadTux> Alejo :)
15:54 < mnemoc> =)
15:54 < owl> hi mnemoc 
15:56 < dsoul> hi MadTux :)
15:56 < MadTux> so a minimal-i386-2.1.0-DEV build is nearly finished
15:56 < MadTux> will upload iso later tonight
15:56 < MadTux> hello dsoul how are u today?
15:57 < dsoul> good, just ate breakfast :)
15:58 < MadTux> same here dsoul :)
15:58 < dsoul> 15:58 :P
15:59 < mnemoc> MadTux: 8:58?
15:59 < MadTux> mnemoc, 7:58am :)
15:59 < mnemoc> :)
15:59 < dsoul> :)
15:59 < Vroum> hi MadTux mnemoc dsoul
16:00 < dsoul> hi Vroum :)
16:00 < MadTux> dsoul, it's been a few months since i have been "forced" to switch to mortals time... 
16:00 < Vroum> hi owl
16:00 < Vroum> hi tcr
16:00 < MadTux> i hate sleeping at nights..
16:00 < Vroum> hi *
16:00 < Vroum> MadTux: so am i
16:00 < MadTux> hello Vroum
16:00 < dsoul> MadTux forced?
16:01 < Vroum> MadTux: did you create router target ?
16:02 < MadTux> Vroum, yes.
16:02 < daja77> MadTux: well then sleep on the days
16:03 < Vroum> MadTux: can you help me ? :)
16:03 < MadTux> dsoul, well u know the new contracts i have require me to be awake on the day
16:03 < MadTux> Vroum, i can try :)
16:03 < Vroum> ;)
16:03 < MadTux> what can i do for u Vroum?
16:03 < Vroum> i would like to add openvpn in it
16:03 < Vroum> i have add it in pkgsel.sh
16:04 < Vroum> and build.sh
16:04 < Vroum> it build ok
16:04 < Vroum> but it is not on the iso 
16:04 < Vroum> :/
16:05 < MadTux> lets make it easier..
16:05 < MadTux> can u send me what u have on a tarball so i can see it myself?
16:05 < MadTux> :)
16:05 < dsoul> MadTux no posibility of renegotiation?:P
16:05 < Vroum> MadTux: hum i check the size
16:05 < Vroum> please wait
16:06 < MadTux> dsoul, i DON'T want to continue doing work for the the company to which i did contacts at night.
16:06 < MadTux> Vroum, okis.
16:06 < MadTux> Vroum, remeber.. ONLY the specific target files :)
16:07 < Vroum> what directory ?
16:07 < Vroum> target/router ?
16:07 < dsoul> MadTux ic
16:07 < MadTux> ie rock-trunk/target/<your>/target
16:08 < MadTux> ie rock-trunk/target/<your-target>
16:08 < MadTux> Vroum, or u just improved router?
16:08 < Vroum> hum it is not trunk
16:08 < Vroum> stable me
16:08 < MadTux> dsoul, long store that i don;t want to remeber..
16:08 < dsoul> MadTux eot :)
16:08 < MadTux> Vroum, it was an exmple for u to know what i need :)
16:08 < Vroum> ok :p
16:08 < MadTux> dsoul, we can talk about anything else :)
16:09 < Vroum> i check :)
16:09 < nzg> MadTux: i will upgrade that box of mine
16:09 < dsoul> :>
16:10 < nzg> since i need to learn for my final english test which is on monday, i think i have enoght time to get all sources via isdn
16:10 < MadTux> nzg, yay!
16:10 < nzg> and this prevents me from doing anything else than learning
16:10 < dsoul> MadTux yay :P
16:10 < MadTux> nzg, good.
16:10 < nzg> ;-)
16:11 < MadTux> Vroum, btw mike@linuxlabs.com ..
16:11 < daja77> ah new addresss
16:11 < nzg> so i combine the good with the useful
16:11 < MadTux> daja77, new address?
16:12 < MadTux> i have used this address for almost 2 years..
16:12 < daja77> you gave me another one, anyway
16:12 < nzg> Downloading download/base/gccx/gcc-3.4-20040317.tar.bz2
16:12 < mnemoc> you used that undercover ;)
16:12 < nzg> seems like it will take a while ;-)
16:13 < daja77> oh gcc update
16:13 < nzg> daja77: everything...
16:13 < MadTux> ok ok... anyways any know address will be fine
16:13 < MadTux> but desired is linuxlabs one :)
16:13 < nzg> need to get my system up to date
16:13 < daja77> nzg: don't tell I am on isdn too
16:13 < daja77> ok not atm but at home
16:14 < nzg> oh, someone who suffers with me
16:14 < MadTux> daja77, ... isdn... ping -f ...
16:14 < MadTux> NICE>
16:15  * blindy looks at his 2MBit DSL connection and laughs
16:15 < daja77> you don't know which address to flood but anyway, have fun :p
16:15 < MadTux> daja77, soon or late u will connect from home :)
16:16 < daja77> hehe
16:16 < blindy> daja77.homeip.net
16:16 < daja77> ok he could get it from the logs, ooops
16:18 < nzg> MadTux: you need to wear white smocks at work?
16:19 < MadTux> nzg, i wars shorts.. and a tshirt
16:20 < nzg> because the guy on linuxlabs.com wears one ;-)
16:23 < MadTux> well i'm not currently at the lila office :)
16:24 < nzg> ah ;-)
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17:03 < daja77> nzg: was there a submaster patch for that gcc stuff?
17:03 < nzg> i think so
17:04 < daja77> have the id perhaps?
17:04 < nzg> i pasted it from the terminal running Download -all
17:04 < daja77> why all
17:04 < daja77> -required should be ol
17:04 < daja77> ok
17:04 < nzg> and i think there was something on the ml too
17:05 < nzg> maybe i want to build-something not included
17:05 < nzg> and the more i have the less i need to download later
17:06 < nzg> daja77: 2004032217560530293
17:06 < nzg> Updated gccx to gcc-3.4-20040317
17:07 < nzg> should be this one
17:07 < daja77> already applied ...
17:08 < nzg> yes
17:08 < daja77> you see with -all you download junk you don't need
17:09 < nzg> yes, i shurely don't need alhpa/mips etc
17:09 < daja77> you see
17:10 < nzg> but i don't know what i will need of the rest
17:11 < nzg> and i want at least the possibility to build things i want to try out without waiting for a download then
17:11 < daja77> scripts/Config <- select your target and then scripts/Download -cfg config -longtimeout -required
17:11 < daja77> fetches what you need
17:12 < nzg> right, but despite the desktop for mine i want to build a config for my router/server and a friends car-navigation
17:13 < nzg> he has a pc in the back of his car an a nice 12"tft mounted as sunpanel in the front
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17:15 < nzg> and i think it spares me time not to select what i will need or not
17:15 < nzg> since i have no time to start building until monday afternoon
17:15 < nzg> because i need to get an additional exam in english to achieve my a-level
17:15 < nzg> which is on monday
17:15 < nzg> so currently i'm filling my head with informations about northertn ireland...
17:16 < nzg> and yes, i know i'm sometimes bullheaded
17:17 < nzg> ;-)
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17:32 < mnemoc> what's the english name for a halogen heating device of the size of a basket?
17:33 < MadTux> if say the word in spanish i can try to say it in english :)
17:33 < mnemoc> estufa :) but you don't know it even in spanish :)
17:34 < tcr> water boiler?
17:34  * mnemoc is very very very happy with his new estufa :-)
17:34 < MadTux> tcr: no..
17:35 < mnemoc> tcr: to warm the air
17:35 < tcr> Hrrr
17:35 < MadTux> its like the oposite of AC... in stead of getting stuff colder.. it get is warmer
17:35 < nzg> mnemoc: halogen?
17:35 < tcr> It's #@!$ hot here atm :P
17:36 < mnemoc> It's #@!$cold outside my office atm :P
17:36 < nzg> yes,  hot although it rained almost all the day 
17:36  * MadTux stares outside his office.. and see's a nice sunny day.. with a sift wind going to the east..
17:36 < mnemoc> nzg: 2000W mini-heating device :)
17:37 < MadTux> two sexy girls on shorts and top washing a car in front of the house..
17:37 < MadTux> fsck I love my country :)
17:37 < mnemoc> yesterday we had snow.... first time in 7 years
17:37  * mnemoc kicks MadTux 
17:37 < nzg> mnemoc: electric?
17:37 < mnemoc> nzg: yep
17:38 < mnemoc> MadTux: during 'copa america' you will not ;)
17:38 < nzg> mnemoc: stove
17:38 < mnemoc> nzg: is that generic for electric, propane and kerosene?
17:40 < nzg> generic for something what heats, equivalent to oven
17:40 < nzg> but seems to match estufa best
17:40 < nzg> in german "stöfchen" but here that means something which heats tea or coffe
17:42 < mnemoc> nzg: what's the german word for something which heats the air?
17:43 < tcr> Heizung
17:44 < nzg> "heizung" mainlx if its something installed on a fix location and "heizofen" if it's somehow protable
17:44 < nzg> s/mainlx/mainly
17:45 < mnemoc> ic
17:46 < MadTux> mnemoc: we will kick ur ass anyways
17:46 < mnemoc> you may kick panama
17:47 < tcr> mnemoc, Basically you mean the counterpart of a ventilator?
17:47 < MadTux> even if the CR pathetic soccer team can't kick some ass.. i will kick YOUR ass
17:47 < MadTux> so thats enough :)
17:48 < blindy> I wouldn't give my Venty away for a thousand bucks right now
17:48 < blindy> there are some 30 degrees celsius here
17:48 < mnemoc> tcr: i think 'heizofen' is exactly the word ;)
17:48 < tcr> MadTux, :P Germany isn't all that good at the moment, too... Today started the european championship, well let's see how well they will do
17:48 < blindy> And I'm living directly under the roof
17:48 < MadTux> I'll give u 50 and a bar of white chocolate
17:48 < mnemoc> tcr: a warm ventilator
17:48 < blindy> MadTux: when hell freezes over
17:49 < MadTux> hehe
17:49 < blindy> MadTux: monday, my boss offered me 500 EUR if I cut my ponytail
17:49 < mnemoc> LOL
17:49 < nzg> tcr: when is tha match against netherlands?
17:49 < tcr> blindy, ?? why's that?
17:49 < nzg> blindy: i would do it ;-)
17:49 < MadTux> blindy: ask for a 500 EUR raise and u will consider it :)
17:49 < tcr> nzg, tue... sunday will be first highlight though (french vs eng)
17:50 < blindy> tcr: because I had a job interview in Berlin at SIemens ICM and he wanted me to look presentable
17:50 < tcr> s,french,france,
17:50 < tcr> blindy, For what kind of job
17:50 < MadTux> u are a hacker... hackers don't waste time on looks.
17:50 < blindy> MadTux: I told him there's a zero missing at the right end. He didn't think so and so I still have it ;)
17:50 < nzg> ;-)
17:51 < blindy> tcr: they're building the systems that control mobile phone traffic all over the globe and delivering it to customers from india to china and south america
17:51 < nzg> you should have startet with 2k?
17:51 < mnemoc> presentable hacker?
17:51 < blindy> mnemoc: we should submit that to emacs :)
17:51 < nzg> maybe that would be a base for negotiations
17:51 < blindy> nzg: NFW! I've been growing and tending it for four years now!
17:51 < tcr> blindy, Why did your boss want you to look good on a job interview?
17:52 < blindy> tcr: because he's a "Vertriebler" and has got no clue :)
17:52 < mnemoc> good question
17:52 < mnemoc> blindy: maybe 1000? ;)
17:52 < blindy> because we're a consulting company
17:53 < blindy> and they may want to hire me for two years
17:53 < blindy> mnemoc: no
17:53 < mnemoc> 1500? 
17:53 < blindy> mnemoc: put 5000 EUR on the table and I'll do it. Not for a cent less
17:53 < tcr> blindy, Well, tell him that a company which sets priorities on the visual appearance of their interviewees isn't gonna be worth 10 cent
17:53 < mnemoc> very expensive ponytail
17:54 < nzg> ;-)
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17:54 < blindy> tcr: well, I'll have direct customer contact all over the planet if I get the job, but even with a ponytail one looks reasonable if done correct.
17:55 < mnemoc> Search for  Vertriebler  produced no results for the selected Options
17:55 < tcr> I hope looking reasonable != having to wear some suit
17:55 < mnemoc> blindy with a tie?
17:55 < blindy> sales personnel
17:55 < blindy> well, for the job interview I wore a suit and tie, yes. *shame on me*
17:55 < mnemoc> .oO( /me remembers the pictyure he has on the gallery )o
17:55 < blindy> that was about the 8th time in my life
17:56 < blindy> uh-oh
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17:56 < MadTux> blindy: now they will want to see u as u looked on he interview for the rest of ur life
17:56 < blindy> but after that the best you'll see me in will be a shirt :-)
17:56 < mnemoc> we have to use tie on school (from 6 to 18)
17:56 < blindy> MadTux: then I'll switch professions
17:56 < blindy> MadTux: simply because I can't tie a tie
17:57 < blindy> mnemoc: sucks
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17:58 < nzg> blindy: i found a good howto about it but it's some years in the past
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17:59 < blindy> MadTux: I don't think they will. I've talked with some of the people working there and the "best-dressed" one wore jeans and a solid white t-shirt
17:59 < blindy> nzg: I wouldn't be able to memorize it anyway :)
17:59 < MadTux> :)
17:59 < nzg> just do it three or four times
18:00 < nzg> you'll learn it quite fast
18:00 < blindy> nzg: still not. if you don't _want_ to do something, you'll never be able to do it
18:00 < nzg> ;-)
18:01 < MadTux> blindy: does it mean that when u _want_ something u can do it?
18:02 < blindy> MadTux: well, it'll be hard if you want to turn into a woman, but apart from that
18:02  * MadTux __WANTS__ 1 night with Britney Spears...
18:03 < daja77> to beat her up?
18:03 < blindy> who would actually want THAT?
18:03 < MadTux> my reasons are my own.
18:03 < daja77> just nosy
18:04 < daja77> not that i'd really care what you are doin to her
18:04 < MadTux> daja77: o know :P
18:04 < MadTux> i *
18:04 < daja77> :p
18:04 < MadTux> damn its a nice day today..
18:04 < daja77> >_< it sucks
18:04 < MadTux> i wish it was cold, dark and foggy..
18:05 < Vroum> rehi
18:06 < blindy> it's hot, bright and muggy(?)
18:06 < MadTux> yeah..
18:15  * blindy now burning LVP #100
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18:38 < Vroum> MadTux: ?
18:38 < Vroum> you here ?
18:39 < MadTux> semi present
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20:16 < rolla> crazy
20:19 < nzg> rolla: what?
20:22 < rolla> just people
20:22 < nzg> ;-)
20:22 < Lorini> rolla: you're so right..
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20:25 < rolla> there that is better
20:27 < rolla> so hwat is new in the rocklinux world?
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21:07 < rxr> re
21:08 < rxr> MadTux: I have a nearly bootable SPARC ISO, maybe I can polish it enought this evening to release it into the wild
21:09 < MadTux> rxr: execellent
21:10 < MadTux> rxr: quick question: Should i re-submit my patches from yesterday to rock-devel into subversion?
21:10 < rxr> oeh patches on rock-devel ?
21:10 < rxr> you mean submater?
21:11 < rxr> submaster even
21:11 < MadTux> submaster yes
21:12 < rxr> yes - submaster please
21:12 < MadTux> i sent some patches to rock-devel as _u_ said that it would be fine to send them over to that list.. or submit them on submaster.. so since i was not familiar with submaster i sent them to the list
21:12 < rxr> so /me @U5 to review the hopefully last tiny issue to have a ROCK SPARC CD ...
21:12 < MadTux> rxr: ok i will do so
21:12 < rxr> MadTux: ok - sure they are ok there
21:13 < rxr> MadTux: but when you ask to submit into submaster I do not hinder you ;-)
21:13 < MadTux> rxr: BTW great that u are doing sparc stuff
21:13 < MadTux> ah ok.. so then what do i do? wait for the patches to be applied or do the submaster thing?
21:14 < rxr> some are patches that should be reviewed in a full build - so submaster is the better way to go for those
21:14 < rxr> if submaster is ok for you it is the saner thing to do first for the next patches
21:19 < MadTux> rxr: yeah i will do that
21:22 < richard_jw> anyone useing a soekris device?
21:27 < jsaw> re
21:28 < jsaw> hi all
21:41 < blindy> rehi
21:42 < blindy> I'm out of form lost one of 4 games of skibbo today >_<
21:44 < rolla> skibbo?
21:44 < blindy> a card game I play against/with my parents
21:45 < rolla> ah
21:46 < MadTux> blindy: that eventually happens to people that wear ties
21:47 < blindy> MadTux: I - DO - NOT - WEAR - TIES!
21:47 < MadTux> well you DID WEAR a tie in berlin :)
21:47 < blindy> MadTux: at least not a) of my own free will and b) if it's not a very special occassion
21:47 < rolla> what is a tie?
21:48 < rolla> ;)
21:48 < blindy> for _half_ a half day! SIX hours for crying out loud!
21:48 < blindy> rolla: something to strangulate other people
21:48 < blindy> so it's a weapon
21:48 < MadTux> rolla: its some shit that blindy wears sometimes 
21:48 < blindy> and I have been armed on an airplane! HAH! Stooopid Secus!
21:48 < MadTux> around his neck
21:48 < blindy> MadTux: NOOOO!
21:48 < mnemoc> rehi
21:48 < blindy> For the EIGTH time in my life!
21:49 < MadTux> mnemoc: welcome back
21:49 < mnemoc> how does reiserfs performces on pmmx?
21:49 < MadTux> blindy: don't sinner!
21:49 < mnemoc> thank MadTux
21:49 < MadTux> i mean SINNER!
21:49  * blindy curls up in a dark corner and is ashamed of himself
21:49 < MadTux> mnemoc: its works just fine.. 
21:50 < mnemoc> good :)
21:50 < rxr> mnemoc: I would use it - although reiserfs does use some CPU power
21:50 < MadTux> blindy: u should be ashamed.. people could think u work for the dark side
21:50 < rxr> but I/O on the Pmmx will not be that fast anyway
21:50  * blindy queues "The Dark Side"
21:50 < mnemoc> xfce4+openoffice+reiserfs?
21:50 < MadTux> mnemoc: perfect.
21:50 < mnemoc> (pmmx200)
21:50 < mnemoc> great
21:50 < rolla> I wore a tie once
21:51 < rolla> it was at my wedding
21:51 < blindy> heh
21:51 < rxr> mnemoc: openoffice on a pmmx 200 ?
21:51 < rxr> mnemoc: I think that would be a bit slow ...
21:51 < Vroum> :p
21:51 < MadTux> rolla: well that doen't count as SIN!
21:51 < blindy> 6 times on Dance Balls and twice on job interviews
21:51 < MadTux> rolla: but blindy did not get married
21:51 < mnemoc> rxr: any other choice ms-compatible?
21:53 < blindy> WEE! RAIN!
21:55 < mnemoc> my city was splited into 6 parts yesterday thanks to rain o_O
21:55 < blindy> flood?
21:56 < rxr> mnemoc: not that M$ compatible ...
21:56 < rxr> mnemoc: I just wanted to warn you ...
21:56 < blindy> well, here rain means that the air is cooling down
21:56 < blindy> mnemoc: CrossOver-Office :)
21:56 < mnemoc> it's a bit common.... 'under-level' street passes don't have drain
21:56 < blindy> I see
21:56 < mnemoc> rxR: slower than win98+msoffice97?
21:57 < rxr> ouhm - don't now
21:57 < rxr> know
21:57 < rxr> I do not run OO often - and Win98+msofficeXY even less often ...
21:57 < mnemoc> :)
21:57 < rxr> just test and report ;-) then we know better for the next time ,-)
21:58 < mnemoc> i'll test
21:58 < MadTux> mnemoc: yeah and ask ur wife to take pics of u installing windows and office so i put them on my gallery
21:58 < MadTux> :)
21:59 < blindy> oh... lightning
21:59 < mnemoc> pics of me?? only for weding and bautism of daugheters :)
21:59  * blindy wonders how good his UPS is..@#$%@!%$NO CARRIER
21:59 < MadTux> i would make a whole new category with then.. i would call it "Blasphemys"
22:00 < mnemoc> :p
22:00 < MadTux> blindy lucky bastard.. its still sunny here
22:00 < MadTux> I MUST move out of here.
22:00 < StefanG> where do you life MadTux?
22:00 < blindy> MadTux: you're just living in the wrong timezone, that's all ;)
22:01 < MadTux> well then again.. i would miss the ALMOST naked femele neighbors i got
22:01 < blindy> hmm, is it a bad thing when you don't see the lightning but the whole clouds are lit u?
22:01 < MadTux> StefanG: Costa Rica.
22:01 < blindy> 2 cm*cm leather below the left kneecap?
22:02 < MadTux> blindy: perhaps thats the thing
22:02 < mnemoc> blindy: that crossover thing looks a bit odd
22:02 < MadTux> u are not going to believe this.. but its getting dark and started raining
22:02 < rxr> do you also publish pictures of you almost naked neighborhood girl ?
22:02 < StefanG> oha, what temperature do you have there in the moment?
22:02 < blindy> mnemoc: well, it IS a to-pay implementation of Wine for M$ Office :)
22:02 < blindy> MadTux: I'm really not believing that
22:02 < mnemoc> oh
22:03 < mnemoc> caribian girls are a bit.... caribian
22:04  * blindy opening all windows
22:04 < MadTux> rxr: i can try that yes.. though u know u are more than welcome to come to my place stay fro some days and check it out urself
22:05 < blindy> MadTux: how much is a flight from MUC or TXL to CR?
22:06 < MadTux> StefanG: currently were around 70 F
22:06 < mnemoc> MUC->MIA->CR->MIA->MUC ?
22:06 < MadTux> wtf is MUC?
22:07 < MadTux> blindy: seriously its raining..
22:07 < MadTux> not a lot but a little bit
22:07 < MadTux> but hopefully it will chnge...we are in winter .. storms should be here !!! damn it!!
22:07 < blindy> well, here The Flood is coming
22:08 < MadTux> blindy: u do know how to swim?
22:08 < mnemoc> MadTux: i _guess_ munchen
22:09 < MadTux> blindy: u can ask holyollie.. he was going to come some days ago
22:10 < blindy> Munich - Washington - San Jose o_O
22:10 < blindy> MadTux: fat floats :P
22:11 < MadTux> blindy: lufthansa should flight direct
22:11 < mnemoc> lanchile does everything through miami :)
22:11 < blindy> MadTux: did a quick search at lufthansa for the frist two weeks ofg august, nothing...
22:12 < MadTux> blindy: british airways?
22:12 < MadTux> blindy: u could make it to come by the first 2 weeks of august?
22:12 < blindy> just a moment
22:12 < blindy> nah, I just checked
22:12 < MadTux> u are cruel.
22:12 < blindy> I have no money for a holiday this year ._<
22:13 < MadTux> blindy: there are many places where u can get good money.. u just need to wear a tie and cut ur hair :)
22:14 < blindy> I wish I'd never said that
22:14 < mnemoc> the ponytail can pay the trip ;)
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22:14 < MadTux> blindy: too late :)
22:15 < blindy> hmm
22:15 < blindy> this weather is getting worse...
22:15 < MadTux> GOOD
22:15 < blindy> guess I'll shut down all necessary systems
22:15 < blindy> s/nec/unnec/
22:15 < blindy> which is a good excuse to go to bed :)
22:16 < blindy> good night!
22:16 < MadTux> sleep weel blindy
22:16 < dsoul> bye blindy 
22:17 < rxr> hm
22:17 < MadTux> mh?
22:19 < mnemoc> MadTux: maybe they do it through madrid
22:20 < MadTux> mnemoc: btw did i ever mention its a PITA to go to Chile from here?
22:22 < mnemoc> can you imagine why an small company as lan is the only airline with profits every year even after 9.11 (NY)?
22:23 < mnemoc> miami -> rio -> buenos aires -> santiago -> lima -> quito -> miami
22:23 < mnemoc> 1 plane, 5 routes, no 'weak' flies
22:24 < mnemoc> and lot of cargo mixed with passangers
22:24 < MadTux> mnemoc: and isn't there ANY other company there?
22:25  * MadTux imagines alive chickens flying around the plane and jumping over passangers..
22:25 < mnemoc> american, luthtansa, continental, delta, ...
22:25 < MadTux> gee should be quite an experience
22:25 < MadTux> mnemoc: and none of them stop by in .CR ?
22:25 < mnemoc> nope
22:25 < mnemoc> miami or quito
22:26 < MadTux> sabes apesta eso.
22:26 < mnemoc> apesta menos que las gallinas saltando sobre los pasajeros ;)
22:26 < MadTux> hehe
22:27 < MadTux> ok back to english before they kill us
22:27 < mnemoc> yep
22:27 < mnemoc> www.lan.com
22:28 < batok> hi mnemoc
22:28 < mnemoc> there is lanpanama, lanecuador and lanperu.... if you are lucky a lancostarica can appear ;)
22:28 < mnemoc> wb batok 
22:28 < mnemoc> oh... landominicana
22:29 < batok> MadTux are you from America ( the continent ) ?
22:29 < mnemoc> .cr ;)
22:30 < mnemoc> and we will kick their asses in copa america
22:30 < daja77> hehe
22:31 < MadTux> batok: yes i am
22:34 < MadTux> mnemoc: keep dreaming
22:36 < mnemoc> .oO( it's time to update my copy of sm.pl )o
22:37 < tcr> re all
22:37 < mnemoc> hi tcr
22:38 < tcr> MadTux, Where do you live atm?
22:38 < daja77> behind a keyboard
22:38 < MadTux> right now I'm in San Jose CR
22:38 < daja77> MadTux: you moved?
22:38 < mnemoc> there is any other city?
22:40  * mnemoc keeps hidden
22:45 < MadTux> daja77: there is more than one keyboard infront of me :)
22:45 < MadTux> mnemoc-chan yes there is more than one city
22:45 < MadTux> daja77: ys i moved.
22:46 < MadTux> daja77: though keep in mind that .CR is a VERY small country.. so i live just 30 mins away from my old city :)
22:46 < mnemoc> https://www.costarica-travelinfo.com/map.php
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22:47 < MadTux> mnemoc: thats a good map
22:47 < mnemoc> www.$city-info.com o_O
22:48 < mnemoc> where did you lived?
22:48 < MadTux> alajuela
22:49 < mnemoc> .oO( i can't find it )o
22:49 < MadTux> funny thing.. the SJO int airport is actualy locate in alajuela.. but only locals knwo that :)
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22:50 < MadTux> mnemoc: u couldn't find ur tiny, little, niddle... if it wasn't attached to u 
22:50 < mnemoc> you lived on a parasite?
22:50 < mnemoc> oh
22:51 < mnemoc> i over read your offence
22:52 < daja77> hm ray charles is dead, time to seartch for some mp3s
22:53 < rxr> hm
22:53 < rxr> the currentl silo sucks
22:54 < daja77> like the palo ^^
22:54 < rxr> it does not error or warn if the kernel and initrd do ont fit into the destination ...
22:56 < mnemoc> long life to lilo :)
22:57 < rxr> oh my - me spend half of the day debugging the boot process - just to notice recent silo releases are buggy - this sucks
22:57 < daja77> which dooes not help on non x86
22:57 < rxr> my nice day
22:57 < rxr> mnemoc: silo is sparc ...
22:58 < mnemoc> i know :\
22:58 < daja77> hey had a sucking day too, we should virtually drink about that
22:58 < rxr> mnemoc: ah
22:59 < rxr> mnemoc: but I like lilo less - it is so static, silo is a bit more advanced, a bit like grub
22:59 < rxr> btw. grub2 and yaboot seem to unite
22:59 < rxr> (hopefully silo, too. would be nice to have one unifed boot loader ;-)
22:59 < daja77> oh that reminds me that i still made no palo package :(
23:01 < daja77> trying to build with gcc-3.4 snapshot instead
23:04 < mnemoc> i don't like grub :\
23:05 < nookie> i like grub
23:05 < daja77> I do
23:06  * mnemoc kick all this gui users
23:06 < MadTux> mnemoc: whats ur god damn problem!?
23:06  * MadTux takes out his sword.
23:07 < daja77> hehe
23:07 < daja77> brb kitchen
23:07 < MadTux> ;-)
23:07 < MadTux> emacs users...
23:07 < mnemoc> oh.... tiny tuxie pinky sword has been shown in public again!
23:08 < MadTux> once again.. emacs users..
23:08 < mnemoc> i do not use emacs
23:09 < nookie> me neither
23:09 < mnemoc> and btw, i'll build my first X in 4 years :)
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23:09 < MadTux> mnemoc: installing windows 98 on ur worksttion is NOT building X :)
23:10  * MadTux *VBEG*
23:10 < mnemoc> :p ... it's not on my desktop :)
23:10 < MadTux> yeah yeah.. deny it
23:11 < mnemoc> :(
23:11 < MadTux> typical windows user.
23:11 < MadTux> :P
23:11  * MadTux pets mnemoc 
23:12 < mnemoc> :'( ... i have windows at home but i only used it to run visualstudio .... .oO( i think this confesion is even worse )o
23:13 < mnemoc> long life to putty and screen :-)
23:13  * nzg using vs too
23:14 < MadTux> omg..
23:14 < MadTux> mnemoc: don't u know we have mono and .gnu ?
23:15 < mnemoc> MadTux: ls package/mnemos/mono*
23:15 < mnemoc> menmoc 
23:16 < MadTux> mnemoc: u do know that ur machines will magically loose all ntfs and fat partitions when i visit u right??
23:16 < mnemoc> aaaarg... mnemoc
23:16 < MadTux> i know i'm teasing u 
23:16 < mnemoc> :)
23:16 < MadTux> though .. really I can't believe that _YOU_ need anything from m$
23:17 < mnemoc> i don't need it, but games run better on that thing
23:17 < mnemoc> and my daughter use them :)
23:17 < MadTux> u are not supposed to play.. u are supposed to code
23:17 < nzg> quake/unreal run on linux
23:18 < MadTux> nzg: ok u are making me proud now
23:18 < mnemoc> i don't want my 3 years old daughter to play quake/unreal
23:18 < MadTux> nzg: still u are supposed to be downloading packages as we speak and studig :)
23:18 < MadTux> mnemoc: well let her play tux racer
23:18 < nzg> Downloading download/clifford/mysql/mysql-4.0.20.tar.gz ...
23:18 < nzg> ##############################################                            65.2%
23:18 < MadTux> mnemoc: get here some roms..
23:18 < MadTux> nzg: good boy.
23:18 < mnemoc> :)
23:19 < MadTux> mnemoc: windows is NOT a MUST for gaming..
23:19 < MadTux> unless u want to be closed to options
23:19 < nzg> and no more interest in northern ireland / the ira or the rira for today
23:19 < MadTux> :)
23:19 < MadTux> what about the rara?
23:19 < MadTux> *g*
23:19  * MadTux vim ra ra ra!
23:20 < nzg> real ira or so
23:20 < MadTux> i see
23:20 < MadTux> nzg: btw where is that u live again?
23:20 < nzg> germany
23:20 < MadTux> ah. gut :)
23:20  * jsaw wonders if he should read the entertaining chat or code some more...
23:20 < nzg> ;-)
23:21 < nzg> btw, i have a windows too, but where it belongs: in a window
23:21 < MadTux> jsaw: do both.. linux folks are ment to be multitask
23:22 < nzg> ;-)
23:22 < mnemoc> i don't have enough hardware to run xp on a window :/
23:22 < tcr> jsaw, coding what?
23:22 < MadTux> mnemoc: u DON'T need XP
23:22 < jsaw> yayeah. evanescence w/ master 100%, me air-druming in the lab...
23:24  * MadTux AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
23:24 < jsaw> tcr: a lil script to handle my data, nothing out there satisfies my needs, at least not really...
23:25 < jsaw> (keeping stuff *partially* in sync a handful of machines)
23:25 < mnemoc> rxr: what about a cksumpatch on 2.0 and trunk? ;)
23:35 -!- tcr is now known as tcr\
23:36 -!- tcr\ is now known as tcr
23:36 < tcr> Wow, this actually works
23:37 < mnemoc> what works?
23:38 < tcr> using a backslash in a nick
23:46 < nzg> ()___)_________)::: ~~~
23:47 < rxr> hi
23:47 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - w'll do this soon
23:48 < nzg> moin
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23:59 < richard_jw> i'm currently building a generic system, why builds the script linux2.4 _and_ linux 2.6?
23:59  * daja77 elected europe
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