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--- Log opened Tue Jul 06 00:00:41 2004 00:04 -!- link_ [~sascha@adsl.xan.ch] has quit ["."] 00:52 < DoofesEul> moin 00:53 -!- DoofesEul is now known as owl 03:10 -!- MadTux [~mike@200.122.133.147] has joined #rocklinux 03:10 < MadTux> re. 03:40 < esden> hi ho 03:42 < MadTux> ho hi 03:46 < MadTux> esden, query 03:47 -!- MadTux [~mike@200.122.133.147] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:55 < esden> n8 04:02 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@p50801AB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:02 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p548032D1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:02 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 06:24 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M306P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 06:41 -!- nookie [~nookie@M208P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:42 * netrunner hides and tries to evade rxr's view 08:42 < dsoul> ? 08:47 < dsoul> vsftpd need update :> 08:51 < netrunner> rxr: but how would I do matching the path against multiple items like it is possible with grep? 09:21 < blindy> moin 09:21 < dsoul> hi blindy 09:23 < blindy> netrunner: you want to package prc-tools or may I do it? 10:13 < netrunner> blindy: I won't hinder you as I am currently @work. 10:14 < blindy> netrunner: ok :) 10:14 < blindy> netrunner: it's just that you packaged two things I wanted to package right as I started work on it ;) 10:14 < blindy> (ipw2100 and slmodem) 10:19 < netrunner> blindy: I packaged them for my new notebook. 10:19 < netrunner> fix for ipw2100 is in work btw ;) 10:20 < netrunner> there's only a gcc34 patch on my notebook at home, so I will only submit it tonight or so. 10:25 < blindy> netrunner: I've patched it directly into my kernel anyway, so that I don't have to recompile each time I change something in my kernel 10:43 < blindy> bbl 10:50 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M306P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:50 -!- nookie [~nookie@M306P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:28 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:00 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has joined #rocklinux 12:23 < owl> moin 12:23 < dsoul> hi owl 12:25 < owl> hi dsoul 12:25 < owl> i'm so lazy! *slept until now* 12:26 < esden> morning everyone ;) 12:26 < owl> hi esden ;) 12:26 < daja77> hey esden 12:26 < owl> .oO( another lazy person ? ) 12:26 < esden> ack 12:26 < dsoul> hi esden 12:29 < esden> ok now I have to go 12:29 < esden> cu all 12:33 < dsoul> bye esden 12:52 < owl> hrm. fake - here? 12:53 < owl> or someone else knows an application called "t39mgr" or sommething ... ? 13:04 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8C256.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:10 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C889.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:11 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M306P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 13:19 < blindy> rehi 13:20 < blindy> I don't have to get the idea behing cliffords wiki, do I? 13:21 < owl> hi blindy ! 13:22 < blindy> moin owl 13:24 -!- nookie [~nookie@M306P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:39 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-206-105.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:50 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-198-020.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 13:50 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 14:08 < netrunne1> blindy: this is not a wiki. a wiki should be easy to edit. this is not, I can just read it from here. 14:08 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 14:23 < blindy> netrunner: ok, what's the idea behind his free-for-all-one-file-svn-repository? 14:24 -!- nookie [~nookie@62.47.206.239] has joined #rocklinux 14:31 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M306P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:37 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: owl, th_, dsoul 14:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: owl 14:44 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has joined #rocklinux 14:44 -!- th [th@thzn.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:45 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 14:45 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has joined #rocklinux 14:45 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:47 < rxr> re 14:48 < netrunner> hi rxr 14:48 * netrunner just wanted to build a stable, but all the downloads weren't found because of the new layout :( 14:53 < blindy> moin rxr 14:54 < rxr> moin all 15:01 < netrunner> how could I discard the first line of a text stream? 15:03 < blindy> tail -n +2 15:04 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has joined #rocklinux 15:04 < netrunner> ah, now I know what the +2 means ;) 15:06 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 15:11 -!- dsoul [darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl] has joined #rocklinux 15:16 < rxr> I want to start nautilus once for a test, and?!?!? it just segfaults onme ... 15:17 < rxr> guess it again does not like some file in my ~ ... 15:18 < rxr> ah - soso: 15:18 < rxr> $ nautilus dav://svn.clifford.at/wiki/devmeeting.txt 15:18 < rxr> PROPFIND:2: parser warning : xmlns:D: 'DAV:' is not a valid URI 15:18 < rxr> <D:multistatus xmlns:D="DAV:" xmlns:ns0="DAV:"> 15:18 < rxr> ^ 15:18 < rxr> PROPFIND:2: parser warning : xmlns:ns0: 'DAV:' is not a valid URI 15:18 < rxr> <D:multistatus xmlns:D="DAV:" xmlns:ns0="DAV:"> 15:18 < rxr> ^ 15:18 < rxr> PROPFIND:3: parser warning : xmlns:lp1: 'DAV:' is not a valid URI 15:18 < rxr> <D:response xmlns:lp1="DAV:" xmlns:lp3="https://subversion.tigris.org/xmlns/dav/" 15:18 < rxr> ^ 15:18 < rxr> damn gnome crap ... 15:44 < daja77> rxr: wanted to edit developer's meeting wiki? 15:52 < rxr> jep 15:53 < daja77> did it with konqueror 15:53 < daja77> with konqueror from rock 2.0.0beta6 ... 15:55 < rxr> I know konqui should support it - mine fail 15:55 < rxr> s 15:55 < rxr> I think nautilus is also considered to once supporting it ... 15:55 < daja77> kde 3.2.2 is a bit buggy on some things 15:56 < daja77> i played with nautilus and webdav some time ago and it failed 15:56 < daja77> and yes they claim to support 15:56 < rxr> ah - your -beta6 uses what KDE? 3.1 ? 15:56 < rxr> I have kdelibs-3.2.3 and kdebase-3.2.2 here ... 15:57 < rxr> kdebase-3.2.3 did not build on my iBook - with some messed up libs due to heavy gcc-3.4 development ... 16:00 < rxr> hm - kate does it ... - konqueror does use an read-only view for reasons I can not find out now - need to get more math in my brain for the exam tomorrow anyway ... 16:00 < daja77> hm konqueror startet kate here 16:01 < daja77> good luck 16:06 < rxr> maybe some setting in my very old .kde dir still has some default value of prev. kde versions .. 16:08 < mnemoc> moin 16:08 < daja77> hi mnemoc 16:08 < mnemoc> hi daja77, rxr 16:10 < rxr> hi mnemoc 16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: I know you want to remeber me ... 16:11 < mnemoc> =) 16:11 < mnemoc> merger.sh :) 16:14 < rxr> 2495 builds total, 1708 completed fine, 168 with errors. 16:14 < rxr> yes .. I have not found time to work on it ... 16:14 < rxr> due to gcc34 fixes and such in trunk 16:14 < rxr> but I create the repository now and check it in ... 16:14 < mnemoc> don't worry :'( 16:14 < rxr> you are competent enough to adapt it for you needs ;-) 16:15 < mnemoc> i can wait a couple of extra days before that ;) 16:15 < daja77> what are you talking about? 16:16 < mnemoc> an script for helping svn merges 16:16 < daja77> ah 16:16 < rxr> daja77: a secret weapon *g* 16:16 < mnemoc> :p 16:16 < daja77> lol 16:17 < daja77> btw guess your article gave me a hint how to fix mutella package for 3.4, will try on we 16:18 < rxr> daja77: btw, is the article hugely announced on the frontpage or index (like the icc+kernel one in the last issue)? or just an feature article? 16:19 < daja77> a big fat headline on front 16:19 < daja77> quite long article 16:19 < rxr> oh - cool 16:20 < rxr> the lenght was already know - just not if it will be an ordinary article (like the ROCK one) or headline news ... 16:20 < daja77> well gcc is more relevnt to most ppl than rock :/ 16:21 < rxr> yeah - sure, this is why I switched writing such articles *g* 16:21 < daja77> hehe and mentioning rock in them 16:22 < rxr> + ROCK PR due to Openbench and gsmp on *.rocklinux-consulting.de ;-) 16:22 < daja77> like I do in my talks 16:22 < daja77> I used a rock co example on my slides ^^ 16:22 < rxr> the cool thing is even Apple and Microsoft people looked at the diagrams when I posted first revisions on the gcc list ... 16:22 < daja77> ;) 16:23 < daja77> weee rock 2.0.2 is about to finish 16:23 < rxr> quite cool to have *proxy(or what it was)*.microsoft.com in the logs ... 16:23 < daja77> hehe 16:25 < netrunner> just curious grepped through my access log and found "GET https://www.microsoft.com/ HTTP/1.1" in it. somebody trying to relay via me? 16:25 < blindy> netrunner: probably. I have those, too. 16:27 < daja77> 138 builds total, 1102 completed fine, 36 with errors. 16:28 < daja77> with gcc-3.2.3 :/ 16:28 * netrunner thinking of a shell magic to link the download/ back to it's old shape 16:29 < daja77> this must be a bad joke 16:29 < daja77> rep-gtk.h:294: conflicting types for `gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_wi 16:29 < daja77> dget' 16:30 < daja77> or is my version of rep-gtk too old for 2.6 16:32 < rxr> daja77: I have seen this conflicting types thing mostly when broken gtk* headers 16:32 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA9E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:33 < daja77> but why they should be broken 16:33 < rxr> daja77: miss definitions and declaration - e.g. they somtimes have int in one and s.th. different in the other ... 16:33 < daja77> sounds like crap 16:33 < rxr> s/miss/mix/ 16:33 < rxr> like: 16:33 < rxr> int c_object_hacking (int new_value); 16:34 < rxr> int c_object-hacking (gtk_bool new_value) 16:34 < rxr> { 16:34 < rxr> } 16:34 < rxr> do not rember the real gtk bool type thou ... 16:34 < daja77> >_< 16:34 < daja77> how should someone fix that 16:38 < rxr> use the right typo in the first one ... 16:38 < rxr> - int c_object_hacking (int new_value); 16:38 < rxr> + int c_object-hacking (gtk_bool new_value); 16:39 < daja77> hm k. could do that 16:40 < daja77> other things I am fighting with is that libs that were build normally are not detected by other gnome configure scripts 16:42 < rxr> hm - don't know, just look into the config.cache config.log or so files what the tests try to do ... 16:42 < daja77> k. 16:47 < daja77> I am just wondering why nobody seems to notice that this rep-gtk stuff is broken 16:51 < mnemoc> nobody use it? 16:51 < daja77> hah even better the confict is gchar vs const gchar >_< 16:52 < rxr> this damn bastats - now they even closed more ports from within the university 16:52 < rxr> and http now is an proxy not supporting webdav .... 16:55 < rxr> so - now trowing all rocklinux-consulting.de traffic thru the VPN ... 16:55 < rxr> damn admins ... 17:01 < rxr> I can imagine their tears in their eyes when they know that I tunnel thru wild combinations of port ftp-data(20) and http(80) 17:06 < mnemoc> didn't you got a second ip address? 17:08 < rxr> in the past I could grab one - but they now do not route unregistered addresses anymore ... 17:08 < rxr> due to paranoia 17:09 < rxr> until they restrict port 20 and 80 more this VPN is ok 17:09 < rxr> I also might get the SVN port back for public access soon ... 17:12 < daja77> == 07/06/04 17:16:00 =[5]=> Finished building package rep-gtk. 17:12 < daja77> ^^ 17:15 < rxr> 2495 builds total, 1715 completed fine, 170 with errors. 17:18 < blindy> rxr: at the moment it looks like I will stay in Berlin, so I can take you with me to devmeeting if you want 17:19 < rxr> blindy: I also do not know if I have enough spare time and money ... 17:22 < blindy> rxr: ok 17:23 * blindy going home now 17:23 < blindy> be 17:23 < blindy> bye 17:29 < daja77> interesting two packages fail to find gtkmm if built and the third does 17:29 < daja77> >_< 17:34 < rxr> maybe they expect different versions or so 17:34 < daja77> I'll look later 17:35 < daja77> at least 3 packages more building now due that fix ;) 17:42 < daja77> ARGL https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/48897 17:50 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: tcr 17:50 < mnemoc> any openoffice guru? :\ 17:50 < mnemoc> i guess not... anyway, anyone knows how to format a text to align left a symbol and align right the amount? 17:51 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-39.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:52 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C256.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:53 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: netcrow, fake, hannes_, SMP 17:53 < daja77> I rarely use openoffice 17:55 < rxr> yeah - damn 17:56 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-39.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 17:57 < rxr> f*cking patents and politicans 17:57 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mistik1 17:57 -!- Christian___ [~konversat@pD95303AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:57 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C256.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:58 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: dsoul 17:59 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tcr 17:59 < daja77> this idiot 17:59 -!- Netsplit over, joins: dsoul 17:59 -!- _SKiTZO [~dark@62.97.234.58] has joined #rocklinux 18:00 < _SKiTZO> hi! 18:00 < _SKiTZO> i get some strange errors after installing rock 18:00 < daja77> hi _SKiTZO 18:01 < _SKiTZO> it fails with an error fsck fails trying to check a reiserfs but i dont have any drives with reiserfs on them 18:02 < _SKiTZO> it all ends in a kernel panic 18:02 < _SKiTZO> i dont do anything special during install.. any clues? 18:03 -!- fake [~fake@rapidnetworks.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:03 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: fake 18:03 < _SKiTZO> my system drive is 160gb, and i partition it as follows: part1=100mb /boot ext3, part2=unpartitioned space for windows, part 3 / xfs, part4=swap 18:04 < daja77> hm 18:04 < _SKiTZO> i use grub for boot loader 18:06 < _SKiTZO> VFS: failed to mount root filesystem (or something similar, taken from my memory) 18:07 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:07 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 18:07 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 18:07 -!- Netsplit over, joins: fake 18:08 -!- SMP_ [~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:20 < rxr> _SKiTZO: which rock version - from where? 18:23 < _SKiTZO> hm. latest v2 iso from... that iso place 18:23 < _SKiTZO> heh 18:23 < daja77> 2.0.1? 18:23 < mnemoc> can you paste the file name of the iso? 18:24 < rxr> the downside of a DBK: "what version are you really runnin?" ;-) 18:25 < mnemoc> giving support is quite hard :\ 18:25 < _SKiTZO> i know 18:26 < _SKiTZO> well my issue is this: i cant do anything at home without gettin g the computer up, and that is the problem, getting the computer up :) 18:26 < _SKiTZO> i dont have windows or other versions of linux 18:26 < _SKiTZO> so ime going by with booting the first rock cd̈́ 18:26 < _SKiTZO> right now im at work 18:26 < daja77> rxr: it would be cool if i could change the rockid in Config, for builds like 2.0.2-daja+gnome26 and stuff 18:27 < rxr> _SKiTZO: ater the installation you got the setup tool, which asks for the root pasword and such? 18:27 < rxr> daja77: I thought about this, too 18:27 < _SKiTZO> ill come back after i know some details about my install 18:27 < rxr> daja77: you just need to edit script/parse-config for now .. 18:27 < daja77> I know, but this would cause issues with svn 18:27 < _SKiTZO> i used stone if thats what you are reffering to 18:27 < _SKiTZO> i selected all packages 18:28 < rxr> _SKiTZO: have you a seperate /boot partition - or all on a single / one? 18:28 < _SKiTZO> separate boot part 18:29 < _SKiTZO> my system drive is 160gb, and i partition it as follows: part1=100mb /boot ext3, part2=unpartitioned space for windows, part 3 / xfs, part4=swap 18:29 < rxr> mnemoc: daja77: do you use a sperate /boot partition for you lilo configs regularly? 18:30 < rxr> I already heared some complains about our lilo setup thing for some cases ... 18:30 < daja77> I neiter use a seperate boot partition nor lilo 18:30 < mnemoc> lba32 is the only change i do 18:31 < rxr> _SKiTZO: ok then try this 18:31 < rxr> reboot the install CD 18:31 < rxr> rerun the install as usual - it will use the update mode and not reinstll any package 18:32 < rxr> then choose GRUB (where I know it works with a seperate /boot) 18:32 < rxr> and I run lilo on qemu on my iBook to finally fix this bug ... ;-) 18:32 < rxr> so the next version does not suffer it anymore ... 18:34 < _SKiTZO> i use GRUB allready 18:34 < mnemoc> =D 18:34 < _SKiTZO> stone didnt manage to configure it however, so i manually fixed it (typed in a meny.lst that worked) 18:35 < rxr> oh - sorry overread this ... 18:35 < _SKiTZO> root (hd0,3) 18:35 < _SKiTZO> setup (hd0) 18:35 < _SKiTZO> heh :) np 18:36 < rxr> hm - our default kernel also seems to include XFS, ... 18:37 < rxr> but - do yo pass the correct root=/ paraemeter to the kernel? 18:37 < rxr> like root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 ? 18:38 < _SKiTZO> hm.. that might be it.. where do i change it?= 18:39 < rxr> you can do this on the fly in grubn 18:39 < rxr> instead pressing enter or entering the image name do 18:40 < rxr> image-name root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 18:40 < rxr> so e.g. 18:40 < rxr> vmlinux root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 18:40 < rxr> or however it is named on your side ... 18:40 < rxr> and after a successfull boot change it in the menu.lst of grub 18:43 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA9E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:44 < _SKiTZO> thx :) il try it as soon as i get home 18:44 < _SKiTZO> how do i get to the commandline in grub wen im in the menu btw? 18:44 < rxr> press 'c' 18:44 < _SKiTZO> okay 18:45 < rxr> _SKiTZO: thanks for giving ROCK a try - have fun! 18:45 < _SKiTZO> np :) oh and ive been giving it a try for quite some time now :P 18:45 < rxr> _SKiTZO: and please tell us if you resolved the issue 18:46 < _SKiTZO> its just im out of luck always it seems 18:46 < _SKiTZO> heh but im an optimist :) 18:46 < _SKiTZO> i will 18:47 < rxr> _SKiTZO: btw, what was wrong with the initial generated menu.lst ? 18:48 * rxr back in some minutes out for some food ... 18:48 < _SKiTZO> it was the default "examples how to boot all sorts of os'es" 18:53 < daja77> that indicates that you did not let stone generate one? 18:59 < _SKiTZO> hm. well i did select grub in the menu 18:59 < _SKiTZO> and tried to make it work 18:59 < _SKiTZO> and i was a bit supprised when i discovered that infact it hadnt made one 19:00 < daja77> there is an entry, generate default rock menu or sth like that ... 19:01 < _SKiTZO> hm. maybe i was sloppy 19:02 < _SKiTZO> ill definitely try harder this time around.. but still ppl are sloppy.. it should be part of the wizard 19:02 < daja77> hm 19:02 < _SKiTZO> like "select bootloader: grub,lilo,none" 19:02 < _SKiTZO> also one hting that bothers me: the wizard sould be skippable 19:02 < _SKiTZO> it sould start with "do you want to run the wizard"? 19:03 < _SKiTZO> and aotherwize fallback to the maintanance options 19:03 < _SKiTZO> -z+s 19:06 < rxr> yes - the grub and lilo stoen modules needs an update 19:06 < rxr> the PowerPC yaboot one is way more automatic ... 19:06 < rxr> (onfurtunately I nearly only use PowerPC nowadays ... ;-) 19:06 < daja77> rxr: i found bugs on your hp ;) 19:06 < rxr> in some days I have the time to improve the x86 ones .. 19:06 < rxr> daja77: paste them in a querry 19:06 < rxr> ;-) 19:07 * rxr having evening meal ... 19:07 < daja77> happy meal 19:08 -!- _Lewellyn [unspitef@c-24-4-235-168.client.comcast.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:14 -!- Christian___ [~konversat@pD95303AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:18 -!- SMP_ is now known as SMP 19:23 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M395P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:32 < _Lewellyn> hoi. anyone have any good troubleshooting tips for not being able to get any ethernet interfaces to work? everything gives me "Network is unreachable" 19:32 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:32 < _Lewellyn> and yes, the ethernet is live :) 19:33 < daja77> _Lewellyn: try changing the ip to ip/24 19:33 < daja77> this is a damn bug 19:33 < _Lewellyn> hrm. that may do it. lemme wander over and try that 19:34 < _Lewellyn> oh, related question... how come i can't seemt o get it to bringup my interfaces at boot? 19:34 < daja77> hm perhaps it works after that 19:35 < _Lewellyn> ok. so far, i've had to go into stone to bring everything up. 19:35 < _Lewellyn> back in a few 19:38 -!- nookie [~nookie@62.47.206.239] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:39 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 19:41 -!- hackeron [~hackeron@hackeron.user.gentoo] has joined #rocklinux 19:44 < hackeron> does rock linux have a wiki? 19:44 * daja77 off now 19:44 < daja77> no 19:44 < hackeron> ok 19:44 -!- hackeron [~hackeron@hackeron.user.gentoo] has left #rocklinux [] 19:45 < daja77> rofl 19:46 < netrunner> ???? 19:46 < netrunner> can you explain this to me?? Message-ID: <20040706152345.GN20607@clifford.at> 19:49 < netrunner> 'older Download scripts will now fail' ... as in 'mirrors are now exclusively for -cuttingedgeunstabledevpartlybroken users'? 19:54 < _Lewellyn> daja77: thanks. it works now. 20:03 < _Lewellyn> hrm. new issues have arisen. it looks like i need a new fstab for 2.6. where is the cdrom device located? 20:03 < _Lewellyn> it isn't /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 anymore 20:03 < netrunner> /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 20:04 < netrunner> _Lewellyn: try modprobe ide-cd 20:04 < _Lewellyn> hrm. wonder why that's not autoloading now... 20:05 * netrunner too. just put it in the autoload modules for rockplug. (iirc /etc/conf/pci or so) 20:05 < _Lewellyn> ya. that's my next step 20:10 < _Lewellyn> mmkay... now i get to the parts i'm not looking forward to :) 20:10 < _Lewellyn> btw, stone is much nicer than rock 1.4.x :) 20:11 < netrunner> we'll give you hands :) 20:11 < _Lewellyn> heh. you don't want to know the hellish task this machine is destined for ;) 20:12 < netrunner> cyber sex portal? 20:13 < _Lewellyn> no. router with one lan and two wan connections 20:13 < netrunner> oh, boring :) 20:13 < _Lewellyn> i haven't quite figured out how to make linux do what i need, but i know *bsd is incapable of it. 20:13 < _Lewellyn> netrunner: you have a howto? 20:14 < _Lewellyn> my linux experiences pretty much ended with 2.1 :) 20:14 < netrunner> _Lewellyn: in my head, what do you nead? :) 20:14 < _Lewellyn> well, i need to make sure packets go back out on the interface they came in on, mainly. 20:15 < _Lewellyn> preferably, normal natted outbound traffic would be loadbalanced between the lines to provide speed to everyone 20:15 < netrunner> you can give the interface in a routing table entry ... 20:15 < _Lewellyn> the saving grace is that both wan connections are of a similar profile 20:16 < _Lewellyn> netrunner: but how can i guarantee traffic will be returning over the same interface? 20:16 < _Lewellyn> let's say it comes in on 1.2.3.4. i don't want to reply from 4.3.2.1. 20:16 < netrunner> hm, I'd say that's a task for netfilter. 20:17 < _Lewellyn> what's netfilter? 20:17 < netrunner> the thing responsible for packet filtering, nat and stuff like that. 20:18 < _Lewellyn> the latest incarnation of ipchains? 20:23 < rxr> yep - commonly known as iptables ... 20:25 < _Lewellyn> okie. lemme make sure i installed lynx 21:09 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-4-191.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 21:17 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-39.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:17 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 21:27 -!- _SKiTZO [~dark@62.97.234.58] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:28 -!- _SKiTZO [~dark@62.97.234.58] has joined #rocklinux 21:30 < _Lewellyn> netrunner/rxr: i don't see any options to ensure that packets take the same path out as they came in. 21:30 < _Lewellyn> any suggestions who i can ask on that? 21:30 < _Lewellyn> or any docs? google wasn't very useful this time 21:34 < _SKiTZO> suggestion: exchange whatever compression that is used today for rock packages with lzo (https://www.oberhumer.com/opensource/lzo/) 21:34 < _SKiTZO> suggestion 2: make package installer multithreaded 21:34 < _SKiTZO> casue installing rock tages AGES 21:34 < _SKiTZO> takes 21:35 < _Lewellyn> _SKiTZO: funny. it didn't take long for me... *shrug* 21:36 < _SKiTZO> hm.. perhaps my cdrom is crap 21:36 < _SKiTZO> :/ 21:37 < _Lewellyn> i just used a 8X DVD-ROM 21:37 < _Lewellyn> el cheapo LG. 21:42 < rxr> _SKiTZO: currently we use bzip2 for space 21:42 < rxr> if you build ROCK yourself you can change gzip - and speed it up a lot 21:43 < rxr> multitheading does only pay on multi CPU boxes - since a CPU is already saturated with bzip2 compression 21:47 < _SKiTZO> hm. id select lzo for speed, gz for compatability and 7zip for space 21:47 < _SKiTZO> https://www.7-zip.org/ 21:48 < _SKiTZO> the thing with multithreading is that it wil gain you something in a lot of situation you would not expect it to do so 21:49 < _SKiTZO> for example reading from a CD rom can be doen while the cpu is saturated since it mainly needs administration of dma transfers 21:49 < _SKiTZO> that subtle overlapping can really make a difference 21:49 < mnemoc> _SKiTZO: portability is _also_ important, lzo and 7zip don't exist in normal boxes 21:49 < _SKiTZO> true 21:50 < rxr> is 7-zip better than bzip2 ? 21:50 < _SKiTZO> still if it gains you half the installtime or half the install space, and it is available on the install CD. but it should be optional 21:50 < _SKiTZO> 7-zip is 1/2 of gz i think 21:51 < _SKiTZO> they have benchamrsk.. i never saw bzip2 as a specially good compressor (??) 21:51 < mnemoc> is much better than gzip 21:51 < mnemoc> it is... * 21:52 < _SKiTZO> sually 7-Zip compresses to 7z format 30-70% better than to zip format. And 7-Zip compresses to zip format 2-10% better than other zip compatible programs. 21:52 < _SKiTZO> cut from page 21:52 < rxr> yep just read it 21:52 < _SKiTZO> but i think it is really slow 21:52 < _SKiTZO> heh 21:52 < rxr> but bzip2 is the standard unix gzip enhancement alread compressing much better than gzip 21:53 < rxr> I think it would be a surprise if 7-zip is better 21:53 < rxr> maybe 7-zip is also slow? 21:53 < rxr> strange is that they laft out such a well known algorithm as bzip2 ... 21:54 < _SKiTZO> hm. 21:55 < rxr> hm - there is even rzip 21:55 < rxr> I have not know yet: 21:55 < rxr> https://rzip.samba.org/ 21:56 < _SKiTZO> https://www.maximumcompression.com/ 21:56 < rxr> rzip is not for everyone! The two biggest disadvantages are that you can't pipeline rzip (so it can't read from standard input or write to standard output), and that it uses lots of memory. 21:57 < rxr> hm - on random binary data it is slower then bzip2: 21:57 < rxr> BZip - 33.69s, 17,728,172 21:57 < rxr> RZip - 43.97s, 17,855,402 21:57 < _SKiTZO> that is only logical 21:57 < _Lewellyn> 7z is somewhat better than bz2, IF you take the time to compress properly. 21:58 < _Lewellyn> however, that requires a while. 21:58 < _SKiTZO> hehe 21:58 < _Lewellyn> we use lzma for software installers 21:58 < _Lewellyn> the installer then needs >32MB ram 21:58 < mnemoc> lzo is the best for decompressing 21:59 < _SKiTZO> yep. 21:59 < _SKiTZO> i figured lzo would rock 21:59 < _SKiTZO> since it comapres to gz in compression and is really fast 21:59 < _SKiTZO> like 1/5 of memcpy 21:59 < _Lewellyn> however, lzo does not exist on many systems. which makes it harder to work with the archives on a different system. 22:00 < _Lewellyn> s/many/most/ 22:00 < _SKiTZO> true.. but then u just make a conversion util and perform a complete conversion of the packages if ppl want one and one package 22:00 < _SKiTZO> or build lzo into the package utils 22:02 < rxr> lzo can easily be built - it should not be such a harm 22:02 < rxr> I think I add adding lzo compression to the toolchain to my todo 22:02 < rxr> lzo as package is already present in rock ... 22:05 < mnemoc> at mnemoc's repo ;) 22:05 < rxr> yeah - near openvpn ... ,) 22:05 < mnemoc> yeah... doing odd tunneling at your uni 22:06 < rxr> yeah - thanks for packaging it ,) 22:06 < rxr> hopefully the stafull firewall looks up a few times due to my freaked up packages going thru it ... 22:16 < mnemoc> .oO( rocklinux is the only one still using my old MX )o 22:19 < rxr> mnemoc: ? 22:20 < mnemoc> the ML is sending me the mails to my old (three days) MX 22:20 < mnemoc> (geeks.cl) 22:25 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: has the TTL expired? ;) 22:25 < mnemoc> no idea ;) ... i guess not 22:26 * mnemoc wonder which is the default TTL on tinydns 22:27 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: well, you could try this... dig geeks.cl @offending.name.server 22:28 < _Lewellyn> it will tell you how many seconds remain for each name server 22:28 < mnemoc> interesting 22:38 * mnemoc didn't like dig.... i'll keep using nslookup 22:39 < _Lewellyn> different data :) 22:39 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 22:39 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 22:40 < mnemoc> hm? may be i overread dig output 22:40 < _Lewellyn> jsut look at the seconds left for each name server. 22:40 < _Lewellyn> i forget the option to only show that 22:42 < mnemoc> i only see the SOA :\ 22:42 < mnemoc> dig geeks.cl @ns.nextra.at 22:43 < _Lewellyn> hrm. ya. it's not giving a full response. :( 22:43 < _Lewellyn> i was thinking more like dig selectsoft.com @ns.google.com. 22:50 < fake> moin 22:50 < hannes_> hi 22:50 < hannes_> hi fake 22:52 < Lorini> hi hannes_, fake 22:53 < hannes_> hi Lorini 23:00 < fake> hi Lorini, hannes_ 23:03 < daja77> _Lewellyn: good 23:03 < _Lewellyn> daja77: why is the default netmask 255.255.255.255 anyway? 23:04 < daja77> it is not really a default 23:04 < daja77> you just had none specified 23:05 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: you forgot the netmask ;) 1.1.1.1/24 23:05 < daja77> and yes it is a bug that stone does not have one 23:05 < daja77> mnemoc: yep but stone should have the /24 in the example 23:05 < mnemoc> i guess rxr fixed that reciently 23:07 < _Lewellyn> and chapter 11 of the handbook doesn't mention it ;) 23:07 < _Lewellyn> the examples do, but i thought that was for completeness. 23:13 -!- _SKiTZO [~dark@62.97.234.58] has left #rocklinux [] 23:28 < rxr> mnemoc: yep - this is fixed in the latest ROCK Net stone module 23:29 < mnemoc> uhm... what time is changes when you `mv`? 23:29 < daja77> oh great than I should remove that bug report ... 23:29 < _Lewellyn> mtime, i think. 23:29 < rxr> oh - yes, the handbook needs fixing, too 23:29 < rxr> thanks for the notice 23:30 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: it's not :\ 23:30 < _Lewellyn> the handbook also doesn't make quite clear where to use the different keywords in chap 11 23:30 < fake> ok, who likes perl modules? ;) 23:30 < mnemoc> clifford 23:30 < _Lewellyn> for example, you can kinda infer where to use search, but i don't see it in any examples. 23:31 < fake> this webdav svn thing is sw33t 23:31 < fake> i didn't know how powerful the kde editor is ;) 23:31 < daja77> yep 23:32 < daja77> you just save and that's it 23:33 < fake> hm, would be great for html file editing 23:33 < daja77> just using a real wiki then 23:34 < fake> nah 23:34 < rxr> ok - new test: 23:34 < rxr> text even: 23:34 < rxr> \item ip ip-address/netmask-bits 23:34 < rxr> Set the given ip and netmask in CIDR notation (e.g. 192.168.1.2/24) when 23:34 < rxr> the interface is set up, remove all IPs from the interface when the 23:34 < rxr> interface is shut down. Of course the keyword can be used multiple times 23:34 < rxr> to set multiple IPs for an interface. 23:35 < fake> rxr: can you bold some stuff in the text? 23:35 < rxr> yure 23:35 < rxr> sure even 23:35 * rxr needs sleep 23:35 < rxr> what do you wanna have bold? 23:36 < fake> rxr: then please make the first AND bold... 23:36 < fake> rxr: i often get requests becuase people forget the /netmask 23:36 < rxr> Set the given ip \bf{and} netmask in CIDR notation (e.g. 192.168.5.1/24) 23:36 < _Lewellyn> fake: it wasn't really documented before ;) 23:37 < owl> fake: hi. 23:37 < rxr> yeah - confusing was that the "wizard" did not used a sane default ... 23:37 < fake> owl: hi! tsemgr or the kde bluetooth framework (kdeextragear-3) 23:38 < owl> tse! tse!!! aaaargh. *sich selbst mal in den hintern beiss* thx 23:38 < fake> oh, as a side note, stone -text needs a small fix 23:38 < rxr> fake: submater or mail please 23:38 < rxr> I'm off now - exam tomorrow ... 23:38 < owl> thx anyway, fake :) 23:38 < fake> fold: `-70' option is obsolete; use `-w70' 23:38 < fake> Try `fold --help' for more information. 23:38 < owl> bye rxr . good luck 23:38 < fake> rxr: gambare! 23:38 < rxr> fake: ok - I can fix this 23:39 < Lorini> n8 everybody 23:40 < fake> rxr: 5 lines in gui_text.sh ot so 23:40 < fake> *or 23:40 < rxr> please review svn:HEAD 23:41 < fake> rxr: thx, i will. no get some sleep ;) 23:41 < rxr> 4 lines I think 23:41 < rxr> cu all 23:41 < fake> yes, 4, right. 23:43 < owl> *puke* someone wants a magendarmgrippe 23:47 < rxr> owl: /me? 23:47 < daja77> lol 23:49 * owl sends the margendarmgrippevirus to rxr 23:49 < rxr> owl: if you meant me - no I do not want it - if I do not pass the exams I can continue studying s.th. different because I'll get exmatrikuliert ... 23:49 < rxr> exmatriculated ;-) or so 23:49 < rxr> so - but now, cu 23:50 < daja77> n8 rxr 23:50 < owl> rxr: hehe. nope ;) i meant just the whole channel ;) cuz it won't get better :( 23:51 < daja77> nice fixing re-gtk decreased error count by 7 23:51 < daja77> rep-gtk 23:59 < daja77> I really like gnome software ... 23:59 < daja77> add-printer.c: At top level: 23:59 < daja77> add-printer.c:1109: syntax error before '*' token 23:59 < daja77> add-printer.c: In function `network_type_changed_cb': 23:59 < daja77> add-printer.c:1115: `option_menu' undeclared (first use in this function) --- Log closed Wed Jul 07 00:00:57 2004