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--- Log opened Mon Jul 26 00:00:39 2004 00:01 < rxr> fake: you only use dvb-s, IIRC? 00:01 < fake> rxr: yes 00:01 < fake> 'only' ;) 00:02 < rxr> how long does channel switching take for you? 00:08 < fake> about 1 - 2 sec 00:15 < fake> note: [1] gawk does not build with debugging symbols enabled... 00:15 < rxr> you have most channels values defined then? nearly none on auto? 00:15 < fake> no 00:16 < fake> i have none of that defined 00:16 < fake> only the required ones 00:16 < fake> i'm too lazy ;) 00:19 < daja77> hi esden 00:29 < rxr> for me it only "kinda works" if I hardcode nearly all channels settings 00:29 < fake> rxr: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004072203365200795 00:29 < rxr> otherwise my DVB-T cards nearly never locks on the frequency ... 00:29 < fake> rxr: could you vote 'pro' that? 00:29 < rxr> of course tzap just works 00:29 < rxr> but mythtv is just f*cked up ... 00:29 < fake> rxr: tried VDR? 00:29 < fake> rxr: you can also stream there... 00:29 < rxr> mythtv sarts to show first lifesigns 00:30 < rxr> and I looked into vdr and all it's patch plugins - I do not want to start that patch compile orgy now - now that mythtv shows signs of progress ... 00:32 < rxr> hm - ok - mythtv's network stuff has endianness bugs at least in the audio parts ... 00:34 -!- nookie [~nookie@M392P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 00:38 < esden> good night everyone 00:38 < daja77> n8 esden 00:40 < rxr> n8 esden 00:40 < daja77> <- back to rocklinux stuff after next wednesday *sigh* 00:41 < fake> daja77: test? 00:42 < daja77> hm? 00:42 < daja77> oh exams, yes 00:42 < owl> daja77: good luck 00:42 < fake> good luck! 00:42 < daja77> thx 00:58 * fake -> chillen 01:13 < owl> bye fake 01:28 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.249.77.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:28 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 01:28 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004] 01:28 [Users #rocklinux] 01:28 [ [anders] ] [ esden ] [ kasc ] [ nookie] [ SerWou ] [ true ] 01:28 [ blindy ] [ fake ] [ luckz ] [ owl ] [ SMP ] [ valentin_] 01:28 [ daja77 ] [ Freak ] [ mistik1 ] [ rolla ] [ StefanG] [ zzoc ] 01:28 [ De_Elsasser] [ hannes_] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ th ] 01:28 [ dsoul ] [ jsaw ] [ netrunner] [ rxr_ ] [ togg ] 01:28 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 28 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal] 01:28 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug 4 00:11:35 2003 01:28 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 01:29 -!- valentin [~valentin@p213.54.249.77.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:29 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 11 secs 01:37 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.251.132.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:49 -!- valentin_ [~valentin@p213.54.251.132.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:22 < rxr_> ok 02:23 < rxr_> mythtv big-endian machine sound problem work arounded ... 02:29 -!- You're now known as rxr 03:13 < rxr> mythv is an ugly unmaintainble shit program 03:14 < rxr> I think it I can not resole the remaining major issues tomorrow I start an own application where it is possible to fix bugs in ... 03:14 < rxr> and that is designed endianess safe ... 03:20 < rxr> ok - me off into bed 04:04 < fake> rxr: ack @ugly +bloated 04:04 < fake> rxr: let's do that together... 04:06 < fake> rxr: maybe without Qt... 04:08 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@p54803B4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:08 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958F742.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:08 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 04:09 < fake> rxr: and without the need for a rdms *yuck* 04:10 < fake> *rdbms 04:12 < fake> oh, and i need xvmc support ;) 04:12 < fake> and lirc 05:12 -!- De_Elsas1er [~eric@ANancy-110-1-14-17.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 05:30 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-15-176.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:18 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:26 < netrunner> moin 06:29 < netrunner> argl, this ossi guy should get a new mailer. :/ 06:30 < netrunner> oh, my builds are ready. 06:31 < netrunner> pentium-m_desktop_gcc34: 885 builds total, 784 completed fine, 101 with errors. 06:31 < netrunner> athlon-mp_generic_gcc34:1302 builds total, 1155 completed fine, 147 with errors. 08:17 -!- De_Elsas1er is now known as De_Elsasser 08:26 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M296P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 08:33 -!- nookie [~nookie@M392P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:35 < blindy> moin 08:42 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:50 < netrunner> hi blindy 09:51 < netrunner> fake/rxr: what about freevo? I liked it so far. 10:01 < esden> hi ho everyone 10:07 < netrunner> hi esdi 10:07 < netrunner> hi sdn :=) 10:15 < esden> ping blindy 10:49 < owl> moin 10:54 < De_Elsasser> moin 10:55 < owl> hi De_Elsasser 10:57 < De_Elsasser> a question: how do I make for affect a host number in scsi driver for my usbkey? 10:57 < esden> moin owl, De_Elsasser 10:57 < De_Elsasser> moin esden, moin owl 10:58 < De_Elsasser> /dev/scsi/host0 1 2 3.. 10:59 < De_Elsasser> for edit fstab 10:59 < owl> hi esden 10:59 < owl> De_Elsasser: ? 10:59 < De_Elsasser> owl: it's not clear? 11:00 < De_Elsasser> auf deutsch? 11:00 < owl> aaaaaaaaah. i'm blind. sorry. did not see the line "a question..." 12:14 < th> moin 12:15 < th> De_Elsasser: you could use /dev/discs/disc1/part1 instead of scsi-dev 12:16 < De_Elsasser> I'm going to try it 12:16 < De_Elsasser> moin th 12:17 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8D21C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:18 < De_Elsasser> yes good... 12:23 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C581.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:47 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D86B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:52 < rxr> moin 12:53 < netrunner> hi rxr 12:56 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8D21C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:04 < th> moin rxr 13:04 < owl> hi th , rxr , netrunner 13:04 < th> rxr: had you have few minutes time to review qt-static patch? 13:10 < rxr> ok - vote set 13:11 < th> rxr: thanks a lot. 13:23 < rxr> fake: the on-air EPG is not used in MythTV with your DVB-S use-case? 13:33 < netrunner> hm, pic coredumps :/ 13:33 < netrunner> (while compiling 3-groff) 13:36 < rxr> fake: and yet another question: do you patched vdr with a softdevice (aka X11)? If yes, which patch did you use= 13:36 < rxr> ? even 13:55 < rxr> ok - the better "softdevices" for vdr seem to be: 13:55 < rxr> https://home.vr-web.de/~rnissl/ 13:55 < rxr> and 13:55 < rxr> https://www.lucke.in-berlin.de/ 13:55 < rxr> me back later 14:06 < th> rxr: could you please "backmerge" package/stf/dhcpcd i just tested it in 2.0-stable. (see r2857); this should be last thing needed for our rescue-target 14:29 -!- Freak [freak@helena.bawue.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:31 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-197-187.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:42 -!- Freak [freak@helena.bawue.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:43 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-209-236.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:43 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 14:46 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M296P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:13 < mnemoc> moin! 15:14 < netrunner> hi mnemoc 15:16 < mnemoc> netrunner, i was about to ask for you :D 15:17 < mnemoc> in your clip-patch.tar.gz, can you see what number there is inside clip/seq_no.txt ? 15:19 < mnemoc> uhm... Unable to determine IP address from host name for www.rocklinux.net 15:19 < rxr> hi mnemoc 15:19 < mnemoc> hi rxr 15:19 < netrunner> mnemoc: I wrot them a mail complaining they should add version numbers :) 15:20 < mnemoc> they claim they don't want to confuse their dos-users :\ 15:20 < netrunner> 144 15:20 < mnemoc> that's why they release file-replace-patches and always with the same fscking name :| 15:20 < mnemoc> uhm.... 15:21 < netrunner> filename is -130 15:22 < mnemoc> download/mnemoc/clip/clip-patch-1.1.10-144.tbz2: 4139912734 15:23 < mnemoc> -130 was the previous patch... 15:23 < mnemoc> download/mnemoc/clip/clip-patch-1.1.10-130.tbz2: 1312991748 15:24 < netrunner> hm, then it was the other host ... download/mirror/c/clip-patch-1.1.10-144.tgz.cksum-err (2414118841) 15:24 < mnemoc> uhm.... let me check older files... 15:25 < mnemoc> download/mnemoc/clip/patch-1.1.10-79.tbz2: 3306161017 .... uhm... 15:25 < mnemoc> can you mail me the one you fetched to diff them? 15:26 < netrunner> hm. my clip.desc has the updated [V], but the old download. something's mixed again here. 15:27 < netrunner> oh, I _also_ had the -130 cksum-err 15:27 < netrunner> ok, now I redownloaded it and got Cksum ERROR: download/mirror/c/clip-patch-1.1.10-144.tgz.cksum-err (2414118841) 15:28 < netrunner> and seq_no says 172 15:28 < mnemoc> :) 15:28 < mnemoc> they release quite fast 15:29 < mnemoc> and always with the same filename :( 15:29 < netrunner> yeah, stupid. I'll send an incremental as cliffi already test-applied it. 15:29 < mnemoc> thanks 15:29 < netrunner> mnemoc: maybe someone should fetch them and save them versioned. 15:31 < mnemoc> i have a routine to do that 15:31 < mnemoc> only if i could upload it to the mirrors.... 15:50 < fake> moin 15:50 < mnemoc> moin fake 15:54 < fake> rxr: mythtv does not use EPG 15:55 < fake> rxr: there is a tv_grav_dvb, but it didn't work for me 15:55 < fake> rxr: VDR uses EPG by default 15:55 < fake> rxr: and no, i didn't need to patch vdr, just added the plugin in the PLUGIN/src directory 15:56 < fake> rxr: untar it in PLUGINS/src, ln -s vdr-xyz-version vdr-xyz 15:56 < fake> rxr: go into vdr's src dir and do make plugins 15:57 < fake> rxr: configuration is done in the makefile (you have to select which soft device to use for the softdevice plugin) 16:04 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: hannes_ 16:04 -!- Netsplit over, joins: hannes_ 16:07 < rxr> fake: thanks for your feedback 16:10 < fake> rxr: you're welcome (it seems, we're both in the same boat) 16:10 < fake> netrunner: freevo has only very limited dvb support (only ivtv driver based cards) 16:11 < rxr> I think I do not use mythtv any longer 16:11 < rxr> it does often fail to tune to the frequency 16:11 < rxr> the frontend nearly hangs then - no way to change the channels then 16:11 < blindy> moin 16:12 < fake> rxr: one cause of that may be bad signal wuality 16:12 < rxr> bad sound quality when the machine barely manages to decompress the mpeg2 (e.g. my iBook) 16:12 < rxr> tzap manages to tune to them 16:12 < rxr> I looked at the mythtv tuning code - it is ugly 16:12 < fake> rxr: ack. 16:12 < fake> rxr: let alone that DiSeq cruft 16:12 < rxr> no EPG (show stopper) - the backend even crashes (IIRC) when I select EPG (the xml web thing I guess) 16:13 < rxr> and so on ... 16:13 < rxr> I now review vdr 16:13 < SMP> wtf. why do we still have gimp 2.0pre3 in 2.0 .. 16:13 < fake> xmltv tv_grab_de_tvtoday is ugly, btw 16:13 < rxr> SMP: because all the DVB apps suck a bit - and I waste so much time on them .. 16:14 < SMP> only a bit? ;> 16:14 < fake> rxr: as i said, if you'd like to start a lean, mean, fast dvb watching app, i'm at your service. i'm not satisifed with either solution 16:15 < rxr> vdr looks better (from the source and first impressions side) 16:15 < rxr> if it works better I'll now in some minutes ... 16:15 < fake> rxr: but it's plugin hell 16:15 < rxr> yes ... 16:15 < fake> rxr: you can forget the vdr-plugins for movie playback, etc 16:16 < rxr> even to find the softdecode plugin that is suppost to work 16:16 < fake> rxr: my favoured solution was freevo in combination with vdr and the vdr-xine plugin 16:16 < fake> that way vdr runs in bg and can record and stuff, but you can use freevo for music playback and videos and stuff 16:16 < fake> if you want to watch tv, just let freevo start xine on the vdr socket 16:17 < rxr> I do not need the later - I only want record and watch via network solution for TV, no music and video center ... 16:17 < fake> (you need to patch the mrl support into xine, though) 16:17 < rxr> some "dvb-t card in the RS/6k" recording and streaming to clients ... 16:17 < rxr> vital features: 16:17 < fake> rxr: found the streamdev plugin? i wrote a patch for it to work with 1.3.11 vdr 16:17 < rxr> - fast channel switching 16:18 < rxr> - recording and wathcing multple program stream on the same transponder 16:18 < rxr> - EPG 16:18 < rxr> - network streaming 16:18 < rxr> yep - found the plugin ... 16:18 < rxr> I test it later - when the basic stuff does work locally ... 16:18 < fake> i need some more stuff 16:18 < fake> - client has to support lirc 16:19 < fake> - no special file formats, just plain MPEG2 ts 16:19 < fake> - should be integratable into freevo or some other set-top-box-style program 16:20 < fake> (though that's easy, you can start arbitrary programs with freevo) 16:20 < fake> rxr: maybe some solution with {t,c,s}zap + dvbstream + mplayer (at least the code from those) 16:21 < fake> - extendable OSD -> so i can put arbitrary notifications on my tv 16:22 < fake> ("ROCK Build on $HOST finished: .. total, .. built, .. errors") 16:23 < rxr> why the hell does the vdr startup always restart learnign keycodes ?? 16:23 < blindy> because it's learnresistant 16:25 < rxr> fake: ah - _and_ most important _native_ channels scanning !!! 16:25 -!- batok_ [~chatzilla@200.52.203.138] has joined #rocklinux 16:25 < fake> ack! 16:25 < rxr> why the hell does mythtv need to make such a fucked up database filling out of it ... ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? 16:25 < fake> rxr: only for a few seconds... no idea 16:25 < fake> rxr: but that's only in the softdevice 16:26 < fake> rxr: xine-out doesn't do that 16:26 < rxr> fake: do you mean it foes away automaically? 16:26 < rxr> or what do I need to do to start the real vdr? 16:26 < fake> rxr: it should, if it doesn't get any keys? 16:26 < rxr> hm 16:27 < fake> rxr: have you read the INSTALL file and passed the specific make options for KEYBOARD remote? 16:28 < rxr> I read the files - but do not remeber s.th. about remote stuff ... 16:28 < fake> rxr: you can pass vdr's make i.e. REMOTE=LIRC or something like that 16:28 < fake> there is also a REMOTE=KEYBOARD - or the like (not that straightforward) 16:29 < fake> rxr: if you press no keys, it should go away after a minute or so... 16:29 < rxr> after a minute ?!?!? 16:29 < rxr> ok ... 16:29 < rxr> my vdr Makefile has REMOTE_KBD ... 16:29 < rxr> which should be ok for me .. 16:29 < fake> jop 16:30 < fake> make REMOTE_KBD=1 .. 16:30 < rxr> the annoying "Learning Remote Control Keys (softdevice-xv) does only happen the first startup? 16:31 < fake> rxr: it should... not sure if it did, though 16:32 < fake> rxr: press some keys 16:32 < fake> rxr: then it should read "Learning Remote Control Keys (Keyboard) or so 16:32 < fake> rxr: and then the config begins after some more time 16:32 < fake> rxr: just be patient 16:32 < fake> rxr: i tried to "fix" that a whole day until i noticed the long timeouts... 16:33 * blindy gone 16:34 < rxr> i went thru it once and safed 16:34 < rxr> but then it starts again ... 16:38 < fake> rxr: okay, then it does present it at every startup 16:38 < fake> rxr: it should go away after a few secs... 16:39 < rxr> hm - no - not here 16:40 < fake> rxr: try the xine output plugin.. it works there... 16:42 < fake> rxr: is there a reason you don't want to vote pro '2004072203365200795' ? 16:43 < rxr> yes - that I skip 2.1 and submaster for now ... - other things to do .. 16:43 < rxr> fake: this one: 16:43 < rxr> https://home.vr-web.de/~rnissl/vdr-xine-0.4.3.tgz 16:43 < rxr> ? 16:43 < fake> rxr: yep 16:43 < fake> rxr: you will need to rebuilt xine-libs and xine-ui from cvs... 16:44 < rxr> I feared that .. 16:44 < fake> rxr: c'mon 16:44 < fake> rxr: the minimal-desktop is b0rken, that simple patch fixes it. move your ass (mouse) and click 'vote pro' 16:45 < rxr> (clifford) or (stefanp) could vote pro, too ;-) 16:45 -!- batok__ [~chatzilla@200.56.165.232] has joined #rocklinux 16:46 -!- batok__ [~chatzilla@200.56.165.232] has quit [Client Quit] 16:46 < rxr> clicked .. 16:47 < fake> Real Networks Hacks iPod; .rm & Real Store for iPod 16:47 < fake> wooho. 16:47 < fake> rxr: thanks 16:47 < fake> minimal-desktop is your baby ;) 16:48 < rxr> The next step should be to build the VDR plugin. The current release needs a 16:48 < rxr> little modification of VDR's file "transfer.c". 16:48 < rxr> huh ? 16:48 < rxr> I even need to patch vdr for it ... 16:49 < fake> rxr: only change a #define 16:50 < rxr> recompiling earch pkg after another get's boring 16:53 < fake> jep 16:54 < fake> we need a SOAP bases J2EE web service for DVB streaming 16:54 < fake> *g* 16:56 < daja77> .oO (fake sound like those losers on easterhegg) 16:58 < fake> HEY! 16:58 < fake> SOAP is the future ;) 16:59 < daja77> they wanted to implement realtime voip in java ... 16:59 < fake> SMP could write .NET support so we can watch TV in the browser natively... 16:59 < fake> daja77: that's already done (and even open source, iirc) 17:00 < daja77> well ... 17:00 -!- batok_ [~chatzilla@200.52.203.138] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:07 * fake wants some more stuff in the .cache file 17:09 -!- madtux [~mike@200.122.133.176] has joined #rocklinux 17:09 < madtux> hello. 17:14 < fake> hi mike 17:15 < madtux> hey fake :) 17:19 < netrunner> mnemoc: the guy from clip wrote one should not use the patch.tgz. And he'll create a new release now. 17:19 * netrunner was fallen asleep for 2h. cooking coffee now. 17:22 < mnemoc> netrunner: and what should we use then? 17:23 < mnemoc> madtux! 17:23 < mnemoc> netrunner: 1.1.11-1 released :) 17:24 < madtux> hello mnemocy 17:25 < netrunner> the ftp://ftp.itk.ru/pub/clip/clip-prg-1.1.11-1.tgz ... the patch.tgz is only for developers as he said. 17:26 < fake> hehe: https://www.purgatory.net/mp3/darkmateria_the_picard_song.mp3 17:29 < fake> https://www.mdstud.chalmers.se/~md1gavan/mips64emul/index.html 17:29 < fake> cool! 17:29 < fake> a mips emulator! finally 17:30 < netrunner> the song sounds funny. 17:31 < fake> it's cut together from original picard's sayings 17:31 < fake> moving from sentence to sentence... *g* 17:33 < fake> topic to topic 17:35 < SMP> hmm. I thought almost "everyone" wrote a MIPS emulator at one time 17:36 < SMP> but mips64emul sound like the one to emulator a system with peripheals 17:37 < rxr> fake: does vdr give you a better runtime performance over mythtv ? 17:40 < fake> rxr: as in cpu load? 17:41 < fake> rxr: yes 17:41 < fake> SMP: yep 17:41 < netrunner> mnemoc: I have the same problem with mkdvd, they seem to release frequently, and always with the same name :/ 17:41 < fake> SMP: it looks very promising 17:42 < netrunner> damn, I think I shot my build again by using -newdelete :(( 17:43 < mnemoc> netrunner: i'll sent the update patch as soon as the tarball get in their mirror 17:43 < mnemoc> official site is a bit slow 17:44 < netrunner> mnemoc: what is this btw? I read something about corba ... 17:44 < mnemoc> a clipper compiler :) 17:45 < fake> omg 17:45 < fake> clipper 17:46 < netrunner> ? wasn't that a movie series with a dolphin? 17:46 < fake> that's flipper 17:46 < netrunner> oh :) 17:46 < mnemoc> fake: they provide gtk2 intergace too :) 17:46 < fake> *rofl* 17:47 < mnemoc> netrunner: clipper, dbase and foxpro were xbase compilers 17:47 < mnemoc> currently i use it to migrate the apps of a company to linux, with postgres instead of dbf/ntx 17:48 < SMP> *brr* 17:49 < fake> okay, rock compile for sparc64 without nssdb and pam finished... this one's ought to work perfectly... 17:50 < fake> 254 builds total, 214 completed fine, 25 with errors. 17:50 < fake> not that bad 18:02 < netrunner> what can be the cause of build/black-2.1.0-DEV-x86-pentium-m-32-desktop-expert/bin/bash: relocation error: build/black-2.1.0-DEV-x86-pentium-m-32-desktop-expert/bin/bash: undefined symbol: __guard ? 18:03 < netrunner> I just enforced a rebuild on the stages 0 and 1 by removing their logs. it won't enter stage2 now with this error 18:04 -!- madtux [~mike@200.122.133.176] has quit ["leaving"] 18:18 < SMP> netrunner: that has something to do with the stack-protector I suppose 18:22 < fake> aaaah... 18:22 < fake> finally. the sparc64 bootet up like a charm. 18:22 < fake> (despite the init messages being not really serial terminal compatible...) 18:25 -!- luckz [luckz@luckz.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:27 -!- luckz [luckz@luckz.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:37 < rxr> wow - the pathed cvs xine does not work - solid filled window with Xv ... 18:37 < rxr> this is all a shit damn f*cked up crap ... 19:13 -!- De_Elsas1er [~eric@ANancy-110-1-19-223.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 19:16 < mnemoc> Google 19:16 < mnemoc> Error 19:16 < mnemoc> 19:16 < mnemoc> Server Error 19:16 < mnemoc> The service you requested is not available at this time. 19:16 < mnemoc> Service error -27. 19:16 < mnemoc> heheheh 19:20 -!- StefanG [~StefanG@port-212-202-36-165.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit ["leaving"] 19:22 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-14-17.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:43 < fake> ls 19:43 < fake> >_< 19:44 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8D825.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:45 < netrunne1> arg, my server cored :/ 19:45 < fake> the whole server? 19:45 < fake> core.linux ? 19:45 < fake> ;) 19:45 < mnemoc> kernel produced a core instead of panic? ;) 19:46 < netrunne1> ok, paniced would be better spoken. 19:46 < netrunne1> argh, I hate when that happens. 19:47 < mnemoc> cat /dev/zero > /dev/mem make it panic quite fast ;) 19:48 < fake> captain - jean picard - uss - enterprise *sing* 19:48 < mnemoc> bbl 20:01 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D86B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:29 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 20:34 * fake sm created trunk on the sparc64 *wee* 20:44 * fake off to munich 20:46 * netrunner installing current rock, before the rest of this build also jumps the jordan 21:06 < netrunner> damn, there is no gcc :/ 21:17 < netrunner> arg, now I installed another, and this one has no stacksmashing 21:18 < netrunner> hope that it at least can rebuild a new gcc 21:19 < netrunner> no, it doesnt :( 21:28 -!- De_Elsas1er [~eric@ANancy-110-1-19-223.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["leaving"] 21:41 < rxr> tell me - what are you trying on your systems? 21:45 < jsaw> re 21:45 < jsaw> netrunner: what are you optimization settings? 21:47 < netrunner> jsaw: pentium-m with stack smashing. but somehow now my build recovered. 21:47 < jsaw> no, i mean "size" or? 21:47 < netrunner> size. smart didn't leave stage 1 21:47 < jsaw> size is evil with stack smashing. 21:48 < netrunner> why? are the symbols stripped away? 21:48 < jsaw> -s may delete those __guard and other stack-smashing symbols. 21:48 < jsaw> yes 21:48 < jsaw> sometimes. 21:48 < netrunner> argl. 21:48 < jsaw> don't know why and when. 21:48 < jsaw> for sure the stripped .a libs don't keep the symbols. 21:49 < netrunner> jsaw: you could have told me before :) 21:49 < jsaw> (-> X server might not run properly, e.g. at least that's what happend to me a few months ago.) 21:49 < mnemoc> are .lo and .la files needed? 21:49 < netrunner> jsaw: this is why I am rebuilding xorg atm. 21:49 < jsaw> I thought it was only X, that had problems (and I said this on IRC!!!) 21:49 < netrunner> jsaw: shall I just build xorg optimized for speed? 21:49 < netrunner> jsaw: maybe I was offline :) 21:50 < netrunner> jsaw: what did you do against it? 21:52 < jsaw> at that time, using gcc instead of ld cured the problems, however I didn't know how to fix it for X, and so reported on irc... 21:54 < jsaw> and the stripped .a files did not seem to be a problem, as proper linking also cured the problem. Now, i wonder if the brand (too) new gcc 3.4 might do things different... 21:54 < netrunner> have you tried simply not stripping X 21:55 < jsaw> nope, I've been to new to rock - and had no idea how to do that..., since then i never tried stack protector again... :( 21:57 < netrunner> XFree86 as of 4.3.0-r2 no longer strips the -fstack-protector flag. 21:57 < netrunner> https://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/propolice.xml 21:58 < netrunner> oh, wrong direction :) 21:58 < mnemoc> SSP sounds better than 'propolice' 21:59 < jsaw> no, good hint. Seems like it should be working now. 21:59 < netrunner> yeah, except the video modules. which are where I get the unresolved symbols. 22:00 < jsaw> If it finds that we are, it will then explicitely add -fno-stack-protector to the module building 22:00 < jsaw> (XFree86) 22:00 < jsaw> that can't be the way to fix it... 22:01 < jsaw> There must be a way to keep the ssp symbols around. 22:04 < netrunner> maybe https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/patches/downloads/XFree86/XFree86-4.3.0-ssp-1.patch is a solution 22:15 * netrunner trying to build with it. 22:15 < jsaw> does it still apply? 22:17 < owl> remoin 22:18 < jsaw> hi owl 22:18 < jsaw> remember, we were talking about horses, and I said: "comes time comes daughter wants horse..." 22:18 < netrunner> jsaw: yup. 22:18 < jsaw> ... time came faster than expected ... 22:18 < owl> jsaw: huh? O_o 22:18 < jsaw> she sat on a horse this weekend. 22:19 < owl> hehehehehehehehehe 22:19 < true> o_O 22:19 < owl> jsaw: how old is she? ;) and which horse? where? 22:20 < jsaw> we were just watching "aufzaeumen", a bit of small-talk... and then the man invited Marlene to sit on the horse during "aufwaermen" 22:20 < jsaw> 2.5 years 22:20 < jsaw> in the village (~3000ppl) I grew up, ppl my mum knows 22:20 < owl> :) i c. 22:21 < owl> and she liked it? ;) 22:21 < jsaw> O-Ton Marlene: "Und morgen kaufen wir ein Pferd fuer mich, fuer Mama und fuer Papa" 22:21 < owl> *lol* cool! 22:21 < owl> how tall is she? 22:21 < jsaw> oh, she loved it. not a single bit anxiety 22:22 < jsaw> wild guess: between 80 and 100cm 22:23 < owl> :))) well - then --> https://thenull.funpic.de/weblog/index.php?op=Template&blogId=1&show=links --> "pferde". some URLs about where you can buy horses *vbeg* 22:23 < owl> jsaw: hmmm. a wels B would be ok *guessing* 22:23 < owl> maybe a welsh C, too 22:23 < jsaw> Ctrl-D 22:24 < owl> huh? 22:24 < jsaw> (bookmarked) 22:24 < owl> hrhr. k. 22:25 < jsaw> (my brain is like a sieve, nothing is kept unless there's some external note taken :) 22:26 < owl> hehe. well - or you can just ask /me for the url again 22:29 < jsaw> well, right. 22:30 < netrunner> small girls always want animals, and discard them after a short time. 22:32 < owl> hmmm. depends. imho 22:32 < jsaw> right. I won't take my daughters wish serious until, a) she's really old enough, meaning, she devolops some basic sense of resposibility or b) I have time and want a horse myself :))))) 22:32 < owl> hm. if i were you, i would enable her to take riding lessons... 22:33 < jsaw> not easy to find for below 5 years 22:33 < owl> yeah, i know. hm. or maybe a "voltigier gruppe". that should be easier. 22:34 < owl> but afaik there are some "staelle" who have only ponys etc. - and also teaching smaller < 5 years old children ... 22:34 < jsaw> <- keeps that in mind for another year until I finish my education and earn a bit more money 22:35 < owl> hehe. or so 22:37 < jsaw> clifford applied my create-cksumpatch patch without discussion... 22:37 < jsaw> everything okay with him? 22:38 < jsaw> <- reasonalby puzzled 22:38 < jsaw> reasonably 22:46 < jsaw> rxr: would you consider checking sm for what needs your vote? 22:49 < jsaw> okay, have to do some experiments now, cu later 23:01 < rxr> no 23:01 < rxr> people can apply it without vote - I do not track 2.1 anymore 23:03 < mnemoc> rxr: what about 2.0? 23:16 < th> rxr: yea - what about the 2.0 policy? i always thought it should go in 2.1 first and you merge it 23:16 < th> rxr: do you accept patches for stable tree directly? 23:17 < mnemoc> a submaster for 2.0? ;) 23:17 < th> lol 23:18 < netrunner> jsaw: the interesting thing with it is that I fixed the original, and my patches also got applied. 23:39 < rxr> th: yes 23:39 < rxr> mnemoc: NACK 23:39 < mnemoc> :p 23:39 < th> rxr: ok. so i'm going to send patches instead of asking for merge 23:40 < mnemoc> rxr: can you take a look into the 'merge requests' i sent you (cc/ML)? 23:41 < owl> <- sleeping. gn8 23:42 < mnemoc> gn8 owl --- Log closed Tue Jul 27 00:00:57 2004