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--- Log opened Sun Aug 01 00:00:14 2004 00:21 * fake chilling himself to bed 00:23 < mnemoc> n8 fake 01:20 < fake> damn 01:21 < fake> i need drugs, lots of drugs 01:21 < mnemoc> why? 01:22 < fake> see rock-sm@rocklinux.org ;) 01:22 < mnemoc> are you flooding us? 01:23 < fake> with the nonsense i do when i'm straight, yes 01:30 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.220.177.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:30 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 01:30 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004] 01:30 [Users #rocklinux] 01:30 [ [anders]] [ esden ] [ jsaw ] [ mistik1 ] [ rolla ] [ tfing ] 01:30 [ blindy ] [ fake ] [ kasc ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ th ] 01:30 [ daja77 ] [ Freak ] [ lewellyn] [ netrunner ] [ rxr_ ] [ togg ] 01:30 [ DieTerkE] [ FuHr3r_] [ Lorini ] [ owl ] [ SerWou] [ valentin] 01:30 [ dsoul ] [ hannes_] [ luckz ] [ RainbowTSC] [ SMP ] [ zzoc ] 01:30 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 30 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 30 normal] 01:30 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug 4 00:11:35 2003 01:30 -!- valentin_ [~valentin@p213.54.220.177.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:30 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 7 secs 01:47 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.229.205.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:48 -!- valentin [~valentin@p213.54.229.205.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:33 < mnemoc> *yawn* 02:54 < rxr_> moin mnemoc 02:54 -!- You're now known as rxr 02:55 < mnemoc> moin rxr 02:56 < mnemoc> btw, my last patch on submaster is for you if you can't sleep and still want to maintain 2.0 :\ 02:56 < mnemoc> i have to go home now.. 02:57 < mnemoc> and i'm waiting for you comments about the definition of 'distribution' :D 02:57 < mnemoc> gn8 fake,rxr 03:03 < rxr> I just fixed an ugly PowerPC visible STONE bug in mz private 03:03 < rxr> tree - but unless some official ROCK person says something to the current 2.0 status 03:04 < rxr> I do not commit into it ... 03:04 < rxr> I'm already in bed - and theoretically wanted to sleep - but I ended up polishing the iBook ALSA driver a bit more ... 03:51 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit ["Was ist los, hat euch jemand gebügelt? Ihr seht so geplättet aus!"] 04:07 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD9E4F54E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:07 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD9E4F0C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:07 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 05:14 -!- panku [~junk@wbar6.wdc2-4.14.74.44.wdc2.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:14 -!- panku [~junk@wbar6.wdc2-4.14.74.44.wdc2.dsl-verizon.net] has left #rocklinux [] 06:19 -!- RainbowTSC [~rainbow@k070-137.nv.iinet.net.au] has quit ["BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it."] 08:37 -!- RainbowTSC [~rainbow@k070-137.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #rocklinux 08:40 < RainbowTSC> I'm trying to install rocklinux, my first go, and I don't get a first stage boot option menu, is there some boot option I can pass to the kernel to check what's going on? 09:38 < netrunner> RainbowTSC: what version of rock? what is the last thing you see? 10:01 < RainbowTSC> 2.0.0, freeing unused kernel memory 10:02 < RainbowTSC> I got told to load 2nd_stage_small, but I tried that and I get a VFS root error... 10:06 < fake> RainbowTSC: on a 586 MMX? 10:07 < RainbowTSC> pentium 166 10:08 < fake> jep, this is known... the problem is dietlibc related 10:08 < RainbowTSC> maybe I just got the commands around backwards... 10:08 < fake> and only the bootcd is affected 10:08 < RainbowTSC> so is fine via floppies? 10:08 < fake> no, the floopies contain the same code the bootcd does ;) 10:09 < RainbowTSC> is it just 2.0.0? 10:09 < fake> the linuxrc startup script is compiled against dietlibc, which makes it require 686 on *some* machines 10:09 < fake> i have seen pentium's where it booted fine 10:12 < fake> RainbowTSC: no idea about 2.0.x, it's still present in 2.1-DEV, afaics 10:12 < RainbowTSC> ok, I have heard about rocklinux for ages, and I finally got around to put together a test machine, I love the philosophy behind it, and would love to have a play on it, any suggestions about what to do to get it installed? 10:12 < fake> RainbowTSC: is there already linux on the machine? 10:12 < RainbowTSC> slackware 10:14 < RainbowTSC> after I finish install, I put the cover back on it and it becomes a jukebox for my bedroom... 10:14 < fake> RainbowTSC: you could boot the slackware and install it over 10:15 < RainbowTSC> how would I go about doing that? 10:16 < RainbowTSC> would I have to mount the cd as a loopback device and copy the files across? 10:16 < fake> RainbowTSC: mkdir /mnt/{target,cdrom} ; mount <cd_device> /mnt/cdrom ; cd /mnt/cdrom 10:16 < fake> no loopback device needed 10:17 < fake> RainbowTSC cd 2.0.0-* (not the dir containing bootdisk, the other) 10:17 < RainbowTSC> yes 10:17 < fake> RainbowTSC for i in ./*.gem ; do echo "installing $i..." ; mine -i -R /mnt/target $i ; done 10:17 < fake> (you will need mine for this - you can compile it from source beforehand on you slack) 10:18 < RainbowTSC> sweet 10:18 < fake> then your new root is in /mnt/target 10:18 < fake> if you have more than one disk in it, you could mount a small spare one there, depending on how much you install 10:18 -!- valentin_ is now known as valentin 10:19 < fake> if you habe just one disk, use a static shell to move over the individual directories 10:19 < fake> like /mnt/target/bin/kiss 10:20 < fake> sorry for the mess, i just discovered this dietlibc weirdness maybe 2 days ago 10:21 < RainbowTSC> that's about when I discovered the bug, although I didn't know what it was... 10:23 < RainbowTSC> how big would a small rocklinux install need, no X or fancy stuff, just base, compile, and ssh, sound? 10:26 < RainbowTSC> I think I'll repartition the system, and mount the then old / slackware as /home... 10:28 < RainbowTSC> thanks for the help 10:30 -!- RainbowTSC [~rainbow@k070-137.nv.iinet.net.au] has quit ["BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it."] 10:39 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-4-195.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 10:46 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-1-67.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:46 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 11:03 -!- bluefire_ [~bluefire@pD95F28EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:05 -!- bluefire_ is now known as bluefire 11:11 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD95F28EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 11:12 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-20-71.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 11:12 < fake> hi De_Elsasser 11:13 < De_Elsasser> hi fake, nice to see you ;) 11:17 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-20-71.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:22 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-11-8.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 11:23 < fake> the pleasure is mine ;) 11:23 < De_Elsasser> fake: oh no, mine :) 11:26 < De_Elsasser> are you today alone of the waid web wannel? 11:32 < fake> it seems so ;) 11:33 < fake> i'm going to leave soon 11:33 < fake> (as soon as i understood wtf they did to tar 1.14.1) 11:33 < De_Elsasser> oh no I am affraid 11:34 < De_Elsasser> ? 11:34 < fake> i will leave the light on when i leave ;)) 11:34 < De_Elsasser> oh good 11:44 * fake votes for renaming of -stable and -DEV to -stalled and -BROKEN ;) 11:45 < fake> j/k 11:45 * netrunner notes his existence 11:45 < De_Elsasser> yes, na 11:45 < De_Elsasser> opsalah 11:46 < fake> netrunner: we want proof! 11:46 < De_Elsasser> netrunner is here, yes sir 11:47 < De_Elsasser> hi netrunner 11:47 < fake> netrunner: long night? ;-) 11:48 < netrunner> hi fake :) 11:48 < netrunner> hi De_Elsasser 11:48 < netrunner> everybody satisfied now? :) 11:48 < De_Elsasser> mmh 11:48 < netrunner> fake: no, not really. have to work on this stupid thesis :( 11:49 < fake> netrunner: so stupid you have to confirm you exist when you get up? boy... 11:50 < daja77> I do exist after that nice cup of coffee 11:52 < De_Elsasser> daja77 ist auch hier? ne ? 11:52 < De_Elsasser> hi daja77 11:52 < daja77> hi De_Elsasser 11:52 < fake> daja77: schwarz und lekka? 11:53 < daja77> schwarz + milch 11:53 < De_Elsasser> lekka? 11:53 < fake> tasty 11:53 < fake> daja77: blasphemic 11:53 * netrunner ran out of coffee yesterday. still my coffee machine is on repair. 11:53 < daja77> fake: huh? 11:54 < netrunner> when I come back from my trip to moldova I call them and tell them to give me my money back. 11:54 < fake> daja77: if you add milk, it's no longer schwarz und lekka! 11:54 < De_Elsasser> :)) 11:54 < daja77> stimmt, weiss und lekka *gg* 11:54 < De_Elsasser> :)) 11:57 < netrunner> anybody remember the link to the page that revealed hidden passages in word documents? 11:58 < daja77> i know what you mean but can't remember the url 11:58 -!- bluefire_ [~bluefire@pD95F28EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:58 < daja77> hm wait checking bookmarks 11:59 < De_Elsasser> check check ... 11:59 -!- bluefire_ is now known as bluefire 12:01 < daja77> don't have it 12:02 < netrunner> hm, it's hard to find it in google. 12:04 < De_Elsasser> I am going miam-miam 12:13 * fake -> shower 13:09 < th> moin 13:13 < dsoul> hi th 13:13 < De_Elsasser> heidiho 13:13 < dsoul> gcl needs update to 2.6.3-1 13:25 < netrunner> hi th 13:27 < dsoul> pegasus too :) 13:27 < dsoul> hi netrunner 13:32 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-11-8.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:33 < netrunner> https://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996209 13:45 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-5-22.w80-15.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 13:54 < netrunner> what is wrong with the following? 13:54 < netrunner> if [ "$xpkg"="linux24" ] ; then echo "Including linux24 stuff since xpkg='$xpkg'"; fi 13:54 < netrunner> I get: Including linux24 stuff since xpkg='linux26' 13:56 < netrunner> oh, the space around the = is mandatory? 14:02 < th> anyone knows where to find a firefox changelog? 14:05 < tfing> th: https://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/ if you want a selective changelog 14:05 < th> tfing: thanks 14:05 < th> i just want to get the mozill -remote behaviour working 14:06 < th> but 0.9.0 tells me about no running window found 14:06 < tfing> replace it by mozilla -a mozilla --remote ... 14:08 < th> i thought 177996 would be related 14:08 < th> there is no -a mentioned in --help 14:08 < th> ahhh 14:08 < th> you mean i should run mozilla binary to trigger this in firefox? 14:09 < tfing> for firefox, i have firefox -a firefox --remote ... 14:09 < th> what does the -a do? 14:09 < tfing> it makes it work :) 14:09 < th> it isn't documented 14:10 < th> firefox -a firefox --remote https://www.rocklinux.org 14:10 < th> Error: Failed to send command: 500 command not parsable: https://www.rocklinux.org 14:32 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-189-104.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:39 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-191-130.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:39 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 14:40 < tfing> th: --remote "openURL(https://www.rocklinux.org)" 14:47 < th> tfing: but this chooses one existing tab 14:47 < th> tfing: and replaces it's content 14:47 < th> tfing: i need new-tab 14:47 < th> and this does not work 14:47 < th> (got it working for without newtab already) 14:50 < tfing> th: --remote "openURL(https://www.rocklinux.org,new-tab)" 14:54 < th> Error: No running window found 14:54 < th> UHHH 14:54 < th> this works with -a 14:54 < th> ehm.. 14:55 < th> this DID NOT work 5 minutes ago 14:55 * th is confused. 14:55 < th> tfing: but: "thanks!" 14:56 < tfing> it works only if there is a running firefox 14:56 < th> of course 14:56 < th> thats no problem 14:56 < th> my firefox uptime is some days.. 14:56 < SMP> th: that's gotta make it chew up huge amounts of memory ... 14:57 < th> SMP: i know. that's why it's uptime is not "some months" 14:57 < th> SMP: gimme some url into my jabber please.. 15:01 < th> SMP: thanks. works again 15:56 -!- seeloop [~power@201.1.1.128] has joined #rocklinux 16:36 -!- seeloop [~power@201.1.1.128] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 17:23 -!- RainbowTSC [~rainbow@k070-137.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #rocklinux 17:24 < RainbowTSC> I have a problem trying to compile mine0.18, who should I speak to / email? 17:25 < tfing> RainbowTSC: to clifford 17:25 < tfing> clifford @ clifford . at 17:27 < RainbowTSC> clifford.at at is a domain group? 17:27 < th> RainbowTSC: .at is the austrian top-level-domain 17:28 < th> RainbowTSC: what problem is that? 17:29 < RainbowTSC> didn't know 17:30 < RainbowTSC> I like it 17:31 < SMP> mailing rock-devel@rocklinux.org might be better, though 17:31 < RainbowTSC> ok, will do 17:32 < SMP> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 17:32 < SMP> 2827 stefanp 15 0 247m 110m 37m S 0.7 10.9 52:18.62 kdeinit: kicker 17:32 < SMP> this is SO incredible 17:36 < De_Elsasser> I have a little problem by compiling xmms-midi, can you help me? 17:37 < SMP> you'll never find out if you don't ask 17:38 < De_Elsasser> fcreating libtool 17:38 < De_Elsasser> loading cache ./config.cache 17:38 < De_Elsasser> checking for gtk-config... (cached) no 17:38 < De_Elsasser> checking for GTK - version >= 0.99.7... no 17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found 17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in 17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the 17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** full path to gtk-config. 17:38 < De_Elsasser> checking for glib-config... (cached) no 17:38 < De_Elsasser> checking for GLIB - version >= 0.99.7... no 17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found 17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in 17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG environment variable to the 17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** full path to glib-config. 17:38 < De_Elsasser> checking for XMMS include files... yes 17:38 < De_Elsasser> here it is 17:39 < De_Elsasser> --with-gtk-prefix=/opt/gnome/ doesn't work 17:40 < SMP> running "glib-config --prefix" outputs what? 17:47 < De_Elsasser> /opt/gnome 17:49 < SMP> remove config.cache, re-run configure, then browse through config.log and try to find output related to running gtk-config or glib-config 17:54 < RainbowTSC> is mine-0.18 considered stable? 18:02 < netrunner> RainbowTSC: no problem so far, why? 18:03 < RainbowTSC> trying to compile it under slackware, and I'm running into function errors... 18:04 < RainbowTSC> too few arguments to function 'init_dialog' 18:05 < De_Elsasser> fconfigure:1361: checking for gtk-config 18:05 < De_Elsasser> configure:1396: checking for GTK - version >= 0.99.7 18:05 < De_Elsasser> configure:1632: checking for glib-config 18:05 < De_Elsasser> configure:1667: checking for GLIB - version >= 0.99.7 18:05 < De_Elsasser> and now? 18:10 < netrunner> De_Elsasser: have you updated your gnome? could it be that it searches gnome in a different directory? 18:10 < De_Elsasser> no 18:14 < RainbowTSC> netrunner: found the problem, using dialog-1.0 - seems it declares init_dialog(FILE *input, FILE *output); 18:14 < RainbowTSC> not init_dialog (void) 18:21 < De_Elsasser> ok it's good, ./configure under root :] 18:51 < De_Elsasser> yes but, it install the libraries in /usr/(local)/bin/Input/libmid... and I can find they with ldconfig? 18:53 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-192-062.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:56 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-189-104.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:56 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 19:06 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD95F28EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 19:10 -!- true [~true@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:10 < true> hi 19:12 < De_Elsasser> hihi true 19:16 < RainbowTSC> ok, stuck again 19:17 < RainbowTSC> selector.c:538: undefined reference to 'put_backtitle' 19:21 < th> RainbowTSC: can't you just use a mine.static from a rock target? 19:24 < RainbowTSC> I got told yesterday to download the tarball and compile it... 19:24 < th> i see 19:25 < th> RainbowTSC: perhaps you should assert the correct versions for some requirements 19:25 < RainbowTSC> it's my first crack at rocklinux, and I'm trying to install it on a P166 with 32 MB ram... 19:26 < SMP> compiling on that box is not gonna be fun 19:26 < RainbowTSC> the only version that was off was dialog... 19:27 < RainbowTSC> SMP: it's better then my original target, a 486SX laptop with 8MB... 19:27 < SMP> you should seriously consider getting a Rock binary build 19:28 < RainbowTSC> I got the 2.0.0 CD, burnt it, and discovered I can't boot off it, something to do with dietlibc... 19:28 < SMP> how far does it boot? 19:28 < RainbowTSC> freeing unused kernel memory, then hangs 19:29 < th> RainbowTSC: what is the exact name of the target on the 2.0.0 cds? 19:29 < th> RainbowTSC: whats it's optimization? 19:30 < RainbowTSC> 2.0.0-rc5-x86-pentium-mmx-32 19:30 < RainbowTSC> is that the right info? 19:31 < owl> moin 19:31 < th> moin owl 19:34 < owl> hi th 19:55 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D8FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:57 < owl> esden: !!! 19:58 < th> RainbowTSC: yes 19:58 < th> RainbowTSC: and i suspect your machine has no mmx 20:04 < RainbowTSC> th: where would I find binaries for my machine? 20:08 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C9A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:09 < th> RainbowTSC: might be that there aren't 20:09 < th> RainbowTSC: you could use a faster machine to build some 20:10 < RainbowTSC> th: I thought you had to have rock installed to correctly build rock binaries... 20:14 < th> you could install rock to a faster machine that has mmx 20:15 < th> brb 20:15 < RainbowTSC> what if I shoved the HD in a faster machine, could I then cross compile it down? 20:15 < SMP> RainbowTSC: yes 20:16 < SMP> RainbowTSC: that would not even be a cross-build 20:16 < RainbowTSC> but if all the hardware but the HD changes, won't It need to be recompiled? 20:17 < SMP> certainly not 20:20 < RainbowTSC> ok, I'll go try that now, thanks for the help :) 20:20 -!- RainbowTSC [~rainbow@k070-137.nv.iinet.net.au] has quit ["BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it."] 20:35 -!- koefz [~koefz@c025281a.tb.bostream.se] has joined #rocklinux 20:36 -!- LauBen [~LauBen25@195.200.140.145] has joined #rocklinux 20:47 -!- Aztecnodreams [~Aztecnodr@dup-200-66-233-150.prodigy.net.mx] has joined #rocklinux 20:47 < Aztecnodreams> hola 20:48 < Aztecnodreams> mmmta esta madre está muerta 20:49 -!- Aztecnodreams [~Aztecnodr@dup-200-66-233-150.prodigy.net.mx] has left #rocklinux [] 21:29 -!- LauBen [~LauBen25@195.200.140.145] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:39 < netrunner> re 22:13 < netrunner> what does btee do? 22:14 < netrunner> ah sshd under 2.6 works :) 22:25 < SMP> btee is a buffering tee that delays opening the output file until signalled so in the input stream 22:30 < netrunner> ah. it must be used from fsck or so. because when booting into uml I get tons of buffer full, dropped data from this btee. 22:30 < netrunner> it seems that we use an implementation from clifford. 22:31 < netrunner> my uml runs now :) it is obviously better to compile without modules. 22:34 < SMP> haha 22:35 < SMP> well, all our init scripts run under btee 22:37 < netrunner> could it be an issue that they run in a terminal? because usually fsck shows no btee errors ... 22:44 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-5-22.w80-15.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:10 < SMP> netrunner: ehm - nope 23:11 < SMP> you usually get a btee overrun from fsck's progressbar 23:12 < netrunner> ah, could be this then. 23:13 < netrunner> some time ago I heard of a system to run fsck later in background, wouldn't that be a nice feature to have? (optional maybe) 23:15 < SMP> background fsck is an ugly hack used by BSD systems 23:16 < SMP> it's not possible on Linux and neither does it make sense 23:16 < daja77> to avoid to have real journalling? 23:16 < SMP> daja77: well, "avoid" is an extremely positive way to put it 23:16 < SMP> they just don't _have_ it 23:17 < daja77> hehe ok :) 23:17 < SMP> (well they do have softupdates, but they still think they need to do an fsck, so) 23:57 -!- loco64 [~loco64@200.146.64.132.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #rocklinux 23:59 -!- loco64 [~loco64@200.146.64.132.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Log closed Mon Aug 02 00:00:29 2004