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[00:07] <madtux> mny! [00:08] <netrunne1> hi maddy [00:08] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner [00:08] <madtux> netty! [00:08] <fake> hi netrunner! [00:08] <netrunner> hi fake :) [00:09] Action: netrunner watched this movie with the 'neo [00:09] <netrunner> ' actor where he has 320GB in his head [00:10] <netrunner> that would render the usbstick industry bankrupt ;) [00:10] <fake> johnny mnemoc = keanu reaves [00:10] <fake> netrunner: will you rediff the isdn4k-utils patch? or shall i.... ? [00:11] <netrunner> oh, I already did. obviously forgot to send ;) [00:11] Action: nzg saw this film too. [00:11] <mnemoc_> uhm? [00:11] Nick change: mnemoc_ -> mnemoc [00:12] <netrunner> fake: sent. [00:12] <nzg> i want this little pirce of hardware + something to acces the data within the limitations of an unpatched brain [00:14] <netrunner> telepathy would come in handy here ;) [00:14] <netrunner> damn, shouldn't have checked my account. :( [00:15] <nzg> yes... but if you want to use it for the transfer of important data you need to implement some sort of error detection [00:16] <nzg> and something like "IP over Telepathy" would be useful too... just think of the possibilities ;-) [00:17] <fake> netrunner: thanks! [00:18] <fake> nzg: mesh routing! [00:19] <netrunner> nzg: telepathy is more powerful than ip. [00:19] <nzg> netrunner: but what if you want to broadcast just to the 10 persons around you but not the entire city? [00:20] <netrunner> fake: I had ipw2100 v0.51 on my laptop, another thing I forgot to send ;) [00:20] <fake> netrunner: oh... ;) [00:20] <nzg> fake: and what a gigantic cluster.... [00:20] <netrunner> nzg: if you are able to use telepathy, you can also focus on the receipients :) [00:21] <netrunner> fake: but it is only usable with my update to rockplug. I should reply to my patch to bump it once again ... [00:21] <nzg> what if for example two persons want to send you something at a time? [00:21] <nzg> may get quite messy... [00:22] Action: netrunner fears that sex could in this future be something like in this movie with syl. stallone where they use telepatic headsets [00:22] <nzg> or what if for example an entire class sends something to the teacher.... [00:22] <netrunner> DoS :) [00:23] <nzg> yep [00:23] <netrunner> cheating would be much simpler ;) [00:23] madtux (~mike@196.40.44.22) left irc: "leaving" [00:23] <nzg> yes, you could yust replay the transmission of your class-primus for example [00:24] <nzg> and what if you receive a transmission dedicated to s.o. else... [00:25] <fake> sounds like borg [00:25] <nzg> but that depends on the nature of telepathic transimssion. [00:27] <nzg> fake: the earth-simulator would be a pocket-calculator compared to a cluster consisting of 6G humans [00:28] <fake> a *very* expensive pocket calculator *g* [00:28] <nzg> indeed, yes [00:32] <netrunner> human clustering isn't that inexpensive ... remember you have to catch them and to feed them ... [00:33] <_Ragnar_> *lol* [00:33] <fake> don't forget to create a 2-staged UML around them [00:33] <netrunner> there once was a german geek who tried to collect many people in large camps, but was interrupted by the us, who wanted to be first. now they still have boot-camps but no running system. [00:33] <nzg> *rofl* [00:34] <netrunner> fake: which remembers me that I wanted to take a look at the uml patch ... [00:35] <nzg> netrunner: this one is definitly added to the list of my fovourite quotes ;-) [00:44] <netrunner> arch/um/kernel/ksyms.c:90: redefinition of `__kstrtab_os_ioctl_generic' [00:44] <netrunner> grmbl [00:49] <fake> netrunner: regarding nx-stuff: can we update to 1.4 ? [00:51] <fake> it's just snaphosts, but maybe thet compile with gcc34 [00:56] <netrunner> fake: you can try if you want :) [00:56] <netrunner> hm, the nx-X11 package needs some work too. [01:00] <fake> i'll fix other stuff first, nothing depends on the nx packages [01:01] <netrunner> I just noticed that nx-X11 is enabled. this is not the bbest idea. it does not harm much, but it does also not work ;) [01:03] assassin (~assassin@assassin.user) joined #rocklinux. [01:08] <nzg> ? [01:09] <netrunner> ! [01:09] <nzg> nx means not executabel, i suppose [01:10] <nzg> but isn't that supposed to be kernel work? [01:10] <netrunner> no, nx is short for the nomachine x compression technology [01:10] <netrunner> www.nomachine.com iirc [01:10] <nzg> ah, k [01:12] <nzg> well then... [01:12] <nzg> i have to get up early .... so gn8 [01:13] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EA4A4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Money underrun - Disconnecting..." [01:25] <netrunner> uml patch committed. going to bed now. n8 [01:25] <fake> n8 netrunner ! [03:31] fake_ (~fake@pD950E325.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [03:31] <fake_> damn [03:32] fake (~fake@rapidnetworks.de) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:32] Nick change: fake_ -> fake [03:32] <fake> damn damn damn [03:48] batok (~batok@200.52.197.197) joined #rocklinux. [03:48] batok (~batok@200.52.197.197) left #rocklinux ("Leaving"). [03:59] batok (~batok@200.52.197.197) joined #rocklinux. [03:59] <batok> hi [04:00] batok (~batok@200.52.197.197) left #rocklinux ("Leaving"). [04:06] blindcod1r (~blindcode@p548039BD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. 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[08:40] <nzg> moin [09:15] assassin (~assassin@assassin.user) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:32] <fake> remoin [09:35] <nzg> wbmoin fake [09:38] Action: fake struggling with vnc 4.0 / xfree [09:41] <fake> i guess i'll kick that for now [09:52] Nick change: nzg -> nzg2 [10:20] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAADC4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [10:37] nzg2 (~tschmidt@p508EA4A4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:23] Action: fake sleep [11:24] <th> moin [11:41] <netrunner> moin [11:41] <netrunner> what is the point of this rockbot? [11:42] <th> logging [11:42] <netrunner> ah. is there a repo for him? I'd love to see social graphing again ;) [11:43] <th> who was doing the social graphing? [11:43] <netrunner> me. I had this one bot ... forgot the name. was some java thingie. quite funny. [11:44] <th> you can get logs via http [11:47] <th> is that enough? [11:49] <th> https://www.rocklinux.net/irclog/ [11:53] <netrunner> hm, there are some logs missing, maybe I can supply them. [11:53] <th> yea [11:53] <netrunner> th: where shall I put them? [11:53] <th> make them available by http/ftp in the same format and drop cliff a line [11:53] <netrunner> ok [11:54] <th> perhaps you should check 2004-08-{07,23} too [11:54] <th> they might be incopmplete [11:55] <netrunner> jup. there is already mixed format... some have hh:mm and some have [hh:mm] [11:55] <th> hmm [12:05] De_Elsasser (~eric@ANancy-110-1-20-254.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #rocklinux. [12:06] <De_Elsasser> moin rock [12:41] owl (~owl@D703c.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [12:41] <owl> hi [12:41] <owl> someone has a clue, why there are some "multimediakeys" of the "microsoft wireless multimedia keyboard" don't work with 2.6.8.1 anymore (with 2.4.27 they work all) - and why the keycode has changed (compared to 2.4.xx)? [12:42] <th> owl: usb? [12:48] <owl> th: nope, ps/2 [12:49] <th> owl: oh. that's because 2.6 apstracts the psaux port and only sees a HID device [12:50] <th> ps2 is no longer a serial port. but a connector for HID devices only [12:50] <th> there might be some changes for that reaaason [12:50] <th> i'd quite some trouble with my mouses through kvm [12:51] <th> but know i'm only using usb [12:52] <owl> :( that's bad. do you know, if someone will change it to working code again somewhen? [12:53] <th> don't know. but you can get your psaux port back [12:53] <th> https://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~danlee/fun/psaux/ [12:53] <th> https://www.ee.oulu.fi/~tuukkat/tmp/linux-2.6.5-userdev.20040507.patch [12:54] <owl> well, thx. [12:55] <owl> it is nerving a "little bit" just to have some keys available (especially if you're configuring the keyboard for someone who wasn't using linux till now... ) [13:08] <owl> bye [13:08] owl (~owl@D703c.d.pppool.de) left irc: "gnarf" [14:31] treo (~xfman@D93e0.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [14:31] <treo> hi [16:03] madtux (~mike@196.40.44.22) joined #rocklinux. [16:03] <madtux> hello [16:04] <treo> if I want to install rock linux from binaries, do I need all the 3 Disks or is it enough to download just one and get the rest while installing directly from internet? [16:04] <madtux> you will need the 3 of them [16:07] <th> no [16:07] <th> treo: i just released a pre-release of 2.0.3 [16:08] <th> treo: that are only packages [16:08] <th> treo: all packages together are about ~200MB [16:08] <th> treo: it's just enough to build the rest on your own [16:09] <th> treo: packages for a desktop build will follow in some weeks [16:09] <treo> ok, than I'll download all the 3 disks :) [16:10] <th> hmm why that? [16:10] <th> don't want to build yourself? [16:10] <madtux> th: mm [16:14] <treo> yes, it will be an install on a notebook, it would take several days to build it all myself [16:16] <th> treo: hmm. well then you need to either use the quite old 2.0.1 images... or wait some time for the 2.0.3 [16:17] <treo> i'll update than ^^ [16:21] De_Elsasser (~eric@ANancy-110-1-20-254.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:23] MtrxRldr (~admin@pD9F7B22F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [17:23] <MtrxRldr> alexje? [17:23] nzg (~foerster@pD9E3F9F6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [17:23] <nzg> moin [17:23] <MtrxRldr> hi [17:25] <MtrxRldr> ist gerade ein Tobi online? [17:26] <treo> o.O ne ich bin kein tobi x) [17:29] <MtrxRldr> naja dann mal cu [17:29] MtrxRldr (~admin@pD9F7B22F.dip.t-dialin.net) left #rocklinux ("Verlassend"). [17:56] treo (~xfman@D93e0.d.pppool.de) left irc: "cya@all" [18:31] treo (~xfman@D93e0.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [18:32] <treo> ok, treo goes rock :) I'm making freespace on the notebook [18:50] assassin (~assassin@assassin.user) joined #rocklinux. [19:01] <treo> I have the feeling that I am installing too much ^^ [19:03] <th> treo: for sure [19:03] <treo> the next thing I have to do is than to delete everything I don't need ;) [19:04] <treo> or ... no I restart the installation, it will be faster :) [19:08] <treo> what is in the miscfiles package? [19:09] <th> only files for /usr/share [19:09] <th> [T] This is the GNU miscfiles distribution. It includes files not of crucial [19:09] <th> [T] importance for system administration or operation, but which have come to [19:09] <th> [T] be common on various systems over the years. [19:09] <th> [SIZE] 9.09 MB, 38 files [19:16] <treo> ok, just made a slighty smaller install, without xfree, i'll install x11r6.8 instead [19:16] <treo> but i have to say the installer is very nice :) [19:17] <th> treo: so you should have taken the 2.0.3 pre-release i told you about [19:19] <fake> ah [19:19] <fake> svn back to normal [19:19] <th> yea since some hours [19:19] <th> cliff fixed t [19:19] <th> it [19:19] <fake> th: you were right, it was really slow. [19:20] <treo> th: when I asked I already had cd 1 and 2 of it [19:20] <th> treo: so you asked to late [19:20] <treo> yes ^^ [19:27] <treo> ok, going down for first boot [19:32] <treo> oops, i'm just to damn stupid, forgot to create a working menu.lst :) [19:41] Phantasus (~core@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #rocklinux. [19:48] <treo> rocklinux doesn't have anything like apt-get (to update directly from internet), does it? [19:49] <th> not for binaries [19:49] <th> only for the meta information for building from source [19:49] <treo> ok [19:51] <treo> annother problem: I'm using the devfsd, and I can't access the cd drive, any suggestions what to do? [19:51] <th> what do you try and whats the error message? [19:52] <fake> yeehaw [19:52] <fake> th: my initial error count was > 60, now i'm at 37 [19:52] <treo> I just try to mount the cd drive, but there is no such device [19:52] <fake> mount /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom ? [19:52] <th> fake: keep it going ;) [19:53] <th> treo: so you should find out where there is no such device [19:53] <th> s,where,why, [19:53] <treo> yes [19:54] <treo> but I don't have any experiance with devfsd [19:55] <th> treo: that's no devfsd question. [19:55] <th> treo: if there is nothing in /dev/cdroms [19:55] <th> treo: your kernel did not find the device. [19:55] <treo> no, there isn't even a /dev/cdroms [19:55] <th> treo: inspect your bootup (dmesg) [19:55] <treo> i just wanted to do that ^^ [19:55] <th> treo: THATs strange [19:56] <th> treo: even without a cdrom device... there SHOULD be a /dev/cdroms/ [19:56] <treo> it is a strange notebook ^^ [19:56] <treo> ok, the kernel does find the cd drive [20:01] <treo> but still there is no device [20:01] <th> is your devfsd running? [20:01] <th> is /dev mounted? [20:01] <treo> yes [20:01] <th> is /dev populated well? [20:01] <treo> both [20:01] <th> so do you have /dev/discs? [20:01] <treo> yrs [20:01] <treo> yes [20:02] <th> how do you know you kernel found it as a cd drive? [20:02] <th> can you paste some log? [20:03] <treo> what extactly should I paste [20:03] <th> the lines that made you think the kernel finds the cdrom [20:04] <treo> it is found as hdc, [20:05] <th> treo: what does a "find /dev/ide -type b" tell you? [20:06] <treo> it does find the partitions of my harddrive [20:06] <th> nothing else? [20:06] <th> what does it tell you in /dev/scsi? [20:06] <treo> nothing else [20:06] <treo> empty [20:06] <th> treo: sure that you have cdrom support in your kernel? [20:07] <treo> It is the 2.6.4-rock kernel [20:07] <th> should have it. [20:07] madtux (~mike@196.40.44.22) left irc: "leaving" [20:07] <th> perhaps you need some special kernel setting for that drive [20:07] <treo> maybe I should try the prerelease of 2.0.3 :) [20:07] <th> oh no [20:07] <treo> ^^ [20:07] <th> perhaps you should build your custom kernel [20:08] <treo> I could do that [20:08] <treo> but maybe I just should try a workstation install, and not the server install ^^ [20:09] <fake> uuuh [20:09] <fake> this option has to DIE [20:09] <fake> DIE DIE DIE [20:09] <treo> :) [20:10] <treo> which one? server or workstation? [20:11] <fake> any selection at that point [20:11] <th> fake: what does it do? [20:11] <fake> th: it dis/enables packages in the installer [20:12] <th> uhhh [20:12] <th> DIE DIE DIE [20:12] <th> ;> [20:12] <fake> th: without knowing which target is going to be installed [20:12] <fake> *really* ugly [20:12] <treo> I'll go and have some beers with some friends and if I'm not to drunk when I return I'll try it again ^^ [20:12] <fake> treo: have fun ;) [20:12] <th> some beer could help you [20:12] <th> ;-p [20:12] <treo> yeah, I think so [20:13] <treo> it's getting late here ^^ [20:13] Phantasus (~core@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting"). [20:26] treo (~xfman@D93e0.d.pppool.de) left irc: "cya@all" [20:43] <netrunner> th: oups, I just fought to create an obex-apps package. sad that I read your submit afterwards ;) [20:47] <th> uh ;> [20:47] <th> sorry for that [20:47] <th> netrunner: perhaps you can package the obexserver app? [20:48] <th> netrunner: or even add it to that package [20:48] <th> netrunner: that would be great [20:50] <th> netrunner: you know what obexserver app i'm talking of and where to find it? [20:50] <th> netrunner: i just compiled it by hand 10 minutes ago [20:50] <th> netrunner: just to test receiving a file via bluetooth from my cell [20:51] Action: fake would love to have kdebluetooth [20:55] netrunne1 (~andreas@pD9E8C612.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [20:55] <th> netrunne1: was this a disconnect? [20:59] assassin (~assassin@assassin.user) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:00] Action: fake off to LAN party... :( [21:01] <fake> but the location is openvpn-connected to my home, so i can just start a bot to play for me and fix things instead ;) [21:01] <th> ;> [21:01] <fake> cu later [21:01] <fake> *winke* [21:01] <th> cya [21:01] <fake> btw: th: first indigo starting build [21:01] <th> cool [21:01] <fake> i'm gonna bootstrap an optimized build on one of em [21:01] <th> i thought they ALL start as they are to be in a cluster? ;-) [21:02] <fake> ... as a basis for a cluster. [21:02] <fake> i have no current MIPS build handy, and debian optimized for ABI Level 1 (which is ugly) [21:03] <fake> so now i'm off, bye [21:04] <th> netrunne1: ? [21:07] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8D30C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:25] <th> netrunne1: are you back? [21:47] assassin (~assassin@adsl-68-78-249-206.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) joined #rocklinux. 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