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--- Log opened Sat Oct 02 00:00:09 2004 00:58:23ωνω blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 01:27:27ωνω klasf [~heirit@adsl-62-167-82-138.adslplus.ch] has joined #rocklinux 01:27:59<klasf> how is it possible that during the building process "1-sysfiles" is not built? 01:28:11<klasf> It's even not in my "packages" file! 01:38:56<blindcoder> maybe you deactivated it 01:45:25ωνω Signoff asda: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:55:41ωνω Signoff klasf: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:17:01ωνω nzg [~tschmidt@pD95F8702.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:17:30<nzg> moin 04:17:53<blindcoder> moin moin 04:20:56ωνω Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: fake, netrunne1, Togg 04:23:50ωνω netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8CEF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 04:33:52ωνω Togg [~sweitzel@213.146.118.69] has joined #rocklinux 04:33:56ωνω tcr [~tcr@pD9EAAF84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:42:44ωνω codeguhl [~tschmidt@p508EA8B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:51:32ωνω Signoff nzg: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:25:59ωνω codeguhl is now known as nzg 05:38:20ωνω treo [~xfman@Da8d5.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:38:32<treo> aye ;) 06:06:40ωνω klasf [~heirit@adsl-62-167-82-138.adslplus.ch] has joined #rocklinux 06:10:26ωνω [anders] [~snafu@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 06:17:07ωνω fake_ [~fake@rapidnetworks.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:31:26ωνω fake_ is now known as fake 06:33:12<fake> moin 06:33:39<nzg> moin fake 06:34:13<daja77> hi fake 06:34:36<fake> 454 mails in one week afk... not too much 06:34:46<fake> hi nzg, hi daja77! 06:35:39<daja77> fake: waana do a trip to dresden on oct 30th :) 06:35:49<daja77> want to* 06:36:38<fake> daja77: that's impossible, unfortunatley, i'm flock()ed till ~ mid of november 06:36:59<fake> what's up in dresden? 06:36:59<daja77> oh 06:37:20<daja77> a small event where we got a small booth that day 06:37:32<fake> what day of the week is this? 06:38:05<daja77> sa 06:38:32<fake> hey... wait a minute... ;) 06:38:38<netrunner> hi fake 06:38:40<daja77> :) 06:38:43<netrunner> fake: managed the move? 06:38:47<fake> hi netrunner! how was wiesn' ? 06:39:02<fake> netrunner: 16 ppl helped, we finished it in 2 turns ;) 06:39:27<netrunner> fake: well, ok. we went to eat pizza somewhere else (peaches) 06:39:42<fake> daja77: i can be there, if i can arrive on saturday noon and be back to munich on sunday evening 06:40:14* fake brb, breakfast *yummy* 06:40:41<netrunner> daja77: I can maybe manage to come over ... 06:41:08<fake> netrunner: i'm in munich, perhaps we can combine that ;) 06:41:27<daja77> well that's fine, I give a talk at 17:00, so noon would be perfect for arrival, you can stay the night at my place if you want, so you can drive hom on sunday quite easily 06:42:39<daja77> is should have breakfast to to fix my writing ... 06:43:37<netrunner> fake: combine what? 06:43:55<netrunner> fake: going to dresden? 06:45:00<netrunner> bbl 06:54:12<blindcoder> moin 06:55:23<daja77> moin blindcoder 06:56:15<blindcoder> I should buy books more regularly 06:56:30<blindcoder> 4 months of not buying --> 100+ EUR gone :/ 06:57:10<blindcoder> well, gotta make lunch 06:57:14<blindcoder> anyone else want some gulasch? 06:57:22* klasf ate pizzzza 06:57:27ωνω klasf is now known as asda 06:57:58<asda> Emerge-pkg $PACK does install $PACK in the build-dir?! 07:02:05<netrunner> asda: no, on your host system. 07:02:14<asda> hm... 07:02:44<asda> I just discovered that ;) 07:03:16<asda> Build-Pkg is for the build-system then? 07:04:17<daja77> netrunner: ooops reading your mail now 07:04:59<asda> I got a serious problem: When building my config 2-binutils fails. I found out that it's the missing sysfiles that prevent the chroot from working properly! but I can't get sysfiles into my config. Even adding them into the pkgsel-list doesn't matter! 07:05:43<daja77> netrunner: hope you dφn't mind when fake joins, and yes, you can stay here 07:09:52<netrunner> daja77: nope. but I remembered later that you live in chemnitz, not dresden ... 07:11:50<daja77> well it is not that far away 07:12:02<daja77> so driving back to C will be easier 07:16:14<asda> out of whicht original file is the "package" file in the "config" directory made of? 07:23:44<blindcoder> IIRC concatenated from all *desc files 07:24:48ωνω tcr_ [~tcr@pD9EAA4B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:34:22<fake> *boerp* 07:35:21<fake> asda: still here? 07:35:35<fake> asda: somehow nobody here seems to listen to you ;) 07:38:52<asda> I am still here.. 07:39:44<asda> I just added sysfiles to my config/packages file. But strangely 2-binutils fails again (arlex.h -> Permission Denied) 07:40:01<fake> are you building as root, young padawan? 07:40:02<asda> ou. it's arlex.l 07:40:09<asda> yes I am, daddy 07:40:13<fake> *g* 07:40:21<fake> did you write to the list? 07:41:48<asda> mailinglist? no, not yet. I found the error last night and worked till now. 07:42:40<fake> what system are you building on? 07:45:18<asda> i586 07:45:30<asda> kernel 2.4, dRock 2.0.1 07:45:36ωνω Signoff tcr: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:46:16ωνω Signoff treo: #rocklinux (Remote closed the connection) 07:46:26ωνω treo [~xfman@Da8d5.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:47:21<asda> I think I'm getting closer to a solution 07:48:45<asda> how is it possible that important packages (such as sysfiles, flex etc) are not present in my config/packages? As target I chose minimal and I made some package selection by hand but these are important system files, they shouldn't be missing 07:50:02<fake> yes. 07:50:08<fake> are you building trunk or stable? 07:50:19<asda> stable 07:50:22<fake> uh 07:50:22<asda> 2.0.2 07:50:44<fake> minimal isn't that minimal at all 07:50:48<fake> by the way 07:51:03<fake> can you do me a great favor and try 2.0.3 instead? 07:51:13<asda> I don't think so.. 07:51:16<fake> th brought 2.0.3 to a state where all packages should build 07:51:55<fake> you can get it via subversion, rsync or i can send you a tarball 07:52:01<fake> s/send/upload/ 07:52:06<asda> tarball would be very nice 07:52:18<fake> wait a minute, please 07:59:08<fake> https://f4k3.net/~fake/rock/rock-2.0.3-pre-2004-10-02.tar.bz2 08:06:27<fake> please tell me when you've finished your d/l 08:08:15ωνω nzg is now known as codeguhl 08:09:54<asda> it's ok ;) 08:09:57<asda> finished allready 08:10:19<asda> thank you very much ;) 08:11:17<fake> you're welcome. if you still get no sysfiles in your config/$config/packages, please a) tell me or b) write to the list. 08:14:04<asda> I get sysfiles as well as flex and kiss (they were all missing with the same config in 2.0.2) 08:16:30<fake> phew. 08:16:33<fake> good thing 08:32:37<fake> cool, there is a linux version of the program i need to configure my ISDN pbx 08:33:44<daja77> fake: so you'll be there? 08:34:42<fake> daja77: most likely 08:35:03<fake> daja77: if i can have a long talk with your floor in the night? 08:35:21<daja77> i already said you can ^^ 08:36:32<fake> ayee 08:36:44* fake not paying attention to class again 08:38:29<daja77> :) 08:45:20<blindcoder> class? 08:45:24<blindcoder> it's saturday... 08:49:53<asda> don't make fun of people having class on saturday! it's not that great 08:50:06<fake> hehe 08:57:25ωνω Signoff kasc: #rocklinux (Remote closed the connection) 09:03:14ωνω nzg [~tschmidt@p508EB3F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:06:47* blindcoder whistles innocently 09:09:13<daja77> what have you done? 09:09:15<daja77> ;) 09:11:56<blindcoder> me? nothing 09:12:12<daja77> sure ... 09:20:43ωνω hannes_ [~hannes@pD902B72D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:20:49<hannes_> hi 09:22:26<blindcoder> moin hannes_ 09:22:49<hannes_> hi blindcoder 09:29:07<fake> hi hannes_ 09:29:27<fake> https://www.dkfz.de/spec/linux/istec_ab/ 09:29:30<fake> sw33t 09:29:31<hannes_> moin fake 09:30:54<fake> with that linux version you can do all kinds of cool stuff with an old ISTEC 1008 ISDN PBX 09:31:16<fake> like, switching configs with a crontab, ringing phones with a crontab, writing call logs and connection matrices 09:31:46<hannes_> really cool 09:33:31<hannes_> https://www.agfeo.de/agfeo_web/HP3.nsf/D!OpenFrameSet 09:33:44<hannes_> the same for my agfeo 09:34:19<hannes_> they have an embedded mysql server for logging etc.. 09:36:03ωνω [BNAFH] [~tschmidt@p508EA1D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:43:49ωνω Signoff hannes_: #rocklinux (Nick collision from services.) 09:44:31ωνω hannes_ [~hannes@pD902B603.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:44:33ωνω Signoff codeguhl: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:12:11ωνω Signoff tcr_: #rocklinux ("Leaving") 10:50:51ωνω Signoff rugek: #rocklinux (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:51:21ωνω rugek [~rugek@port-212-202-202-25.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:57:00<fake> hi rugek 11:14:08ωνω Signoff hannes_: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:54:33ωνω tcr [~tcr@pD9EAA4B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:27:42ωνω Signoff treo: #rocklinux (Remote closed the connection) 13:28:12* netrunner back from killing xp by running knoppicillin over it. 14:01:47<fake> knoppix sucks! ;) 14:05:55ωνω Signoff asda: #rocklinux (Remote closed the connection) 14:06:42<blindcoder> yes, but it's good at it :-) 14:41:07ωνω Signoff rugek: #rocklinux (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:41:32ωνω rugek [~rugek@port-212-202-202-25.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:55:31ωνω hannes_ [~hannes@p54804029.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:59:08ωνω demian [allyourbas@p50807E33.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:59:11<demian> hi 14:59:28<demian> what is the size of a ia32 instruction? 14:59:36<demian> 32 bits isnt it? 15:42:21<mnemoc> aren't they always of the size of the word? 16:02:50ωνω netcrow [~netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:03:09<netcrow> hi 16:03:14<fake> hi netcrow! 16:07:04<netcrow> and bye! have an nice evening ;-) 16:07:14<mnemoc> =) 16:08:32ωνω Signoff netcrow: #rocklinux ("leaving") 16:09:29<fake> SMP: ping 16:14:57<SMP> pong, kind of 16:15:51<fake> SMP: can you state your opinion reg. the kphone update? 16:16:11<fake> (patch in SM waiting for your vote since 2 weeks ;) 16:16:17<SMP> it's probably OK, I just didn't have the means to test it 16:16:43<fake> would your tests be any more specific than calling some people? ;) 16:17:09<SMP> nope. 16:22:09<SMP> fake: do you know anything about why 2004100204570113998 might be needed? 16:22:58<fake> SMP: hannes ment that it showed broken characters in X, and in console with and without fb 16:23:19<fake> SMP: you're the utf specialist, what's wrong? 16:23:40<hannes_> SMP: yep, i wondered myself, because debian has enabled it, and it works even if not using utf8 16:23:58<SMP> does that only happen with the new version? 16:24:11<hannes_> SMP: i think so 16:24:50<hannes_> i found nothing about utf8 in the changelog 16:24:53<hannes_> :/ 16:25:03<SMP> can you be more specific when that happens? all characters or some specific? all pages or just some? which $TERM and locale? 16:26:08<hannes_> for example the submaster page. all "-" are displayed as broken characters 16:26:37ωνω Signoff demian: #rocklinux ("Lost terminal") 16:26:45<hannes_> the pseudogrpahic characters 16:27:27<SMP> please try looking at "man man" in the same terminal - do the hyphens work there? 16:27:41<hannes_> jop, there it works 16:31:58<SMP> hmm 16:32:22<SMP> try w3m url | less 16:32:47<hannes_> with unicode enabled? 16:33:18<SMP> er, yes of course :) 16:33:48<hannes_> okay, wait. i have to recompile 16:34:02<SMP> yup, thanks 16:34:21<fake> hannes_: tried it on x86, too? 16:34:46<hannes_> fake: no, never =) 16:35:19<SMP> uhh. which endianess? 16:35:35<fake> powerpc... 16:36:06<SMP> do I smell an endiness bug there? 16:36:30* fake updating w3m & testing 16:41:48<hannes_> SMP: w3m url | less works 16:41:57<hannes_> no broken characters 16:43:58<SMP> ok, please try echo '<br>-' | w3m -T text/html 16:44:12<SMP> should be the minimum test-case 16:44:44<hannes_> jep, works 16:44:56<hannes_> i even have problems in the status bar at the bottom 16:45:34<SMP> so the hyphen works here but not on the SM page? 16:45:41<hannes_> but echo '<hr>' | w3m -T text/html does'nt work 16:45:43<fake> '-' works, '<hr>' makes problems 16:45:49<SMP> ahh 16:45:51<fake> and the table borders, etc 16:46:03<fake> hm, that's the 8 Bit part of ascii, right? 16:49:01<SMP> ok, next: echo '<hr>' | strace -o /tmp/x -s 1000 -e trace=write w3m -T text/html 16:50:04<hannes_> okay, i can paste it in #flood 16:50:20<SMP> mine's using escape characters to draw the <hr> by actually just printing q-s 16:50:45<SMP> hannes_: it should be just one line or so? the second line? 16:51:11<hannes_> jop, a very very long line 16:51:48<SMP> how many chars? (number at the end of the line) 16:52:15<hannes_> the line is 1643 chars long 16:52:28<fake> (he counted them loudly) 16:52:40<hannes_> the exit-confirmation is correct displayed, using escape codes =) 16:52:51<SMP> huh. 16:53:34* fake still doing the submaster dance... 16:53:54<SMP> hannes_: can you please /msg or /query me the line? 17:01:04<SMP> fake: does it work on x86? 17:08:24<fake> SMP: my tree is borked, i'm just sm syncing 17:08:50<fake> (the build of the package shouldt take a little percentage of the time needed for this ;) 17:09:31<SMP> ok. though I don't think the arch will make a difference 17:09:39<fake> hannes killed his framebuffer ;) 17:09:50<fake> looks kinda cool, like a very cpu-intensive gimp effect 17:10:17<fake> that's where the colors of the console output of a rock build pay back 17:10:20<SMP> it seems that w3m uses UTF-8 sequences even when the locale is just ASCII 17:10:29<fake> hum 17:10:38<SMP> the linux fb sucks anyway 17:10:52<fake> ack. 17:11:06<fake> <hannes_> ack. 17:14:07<SMP> you know, it's so great when you use a framework and it has classes for relational database tables, and it can merge tables so you don't have to write code for that ... 17:14:35<SMP> and whene you actually use that method, you begin debugging all that stuff for two days 17:15:07* fake used castor - once. 17:15:27<SMP> System.Data from Mono 17:15:46<fake> Object-Relational mapping ? 17:16:13<SMP> no 17:16:37<fake> w3m building (with unicode...) 17:17:07<SMP> you can have it pull the results of queries into table objects in memory, so you can perform offline operations on it 17:17:58<SMP> actually, DataSet objects that contain DataTable object that contain DataColumn and DataRow objects 17:18:07<fake> uh... okay... 17:19:14<fake> horizontal lines in w3m consist of 'βββββββββββββ...' in konsole 17:19:25<SMP> and you can also create all those objects in your code, run queries against it, use indices, constraints and relations 17:19:38<fake> aaah 17:19:41<fake> with LANG=C it works 17:20:02<SMP> hannes was using LANG=C, too 17:20:31<SMP> or does he actually mean he doesn't have LANG set at al 17:20:32<fake> LANG is not set here 17:20:37<fake> then i get β 17:20:46<SMP> ah hmm 17:20:54<mnemoc> is LANG=C or POSX equal to unset LANG? 17:21:05<SMP> hey mnemoc 17:21:11<SMP> it should be 17:21:23<fake> seems like w3m thinks otherwise ;) 17:21:31<SMP> actually, his /usr/bin/locale says it uses C 17:21:32<fake> what's the correct LANG/LC_... setting for UTF8 ? 17:22:14<SMP> try running an xterm in(!) LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 17:22:23<fake> mkay 17:23:12<fake> hm 17:23:22<fake> umlaute.de -> fuer = fu:r 17:23:30<mnemoc> hi SMP 17:23:56<fake> but beautiful horizontal lines on <hr> 17:24:00<SMP> mnemoc: do you read mono-devel-list? 17:24:42<mnemoc> not currently, but i am suscribed, something i shall read? 17:24:42<SMP> fake: probably done with escape-codes, not Unicode characters 17:24:54<SMP> mnemoc: nothing specific 17:25:21<fake> aaah 17:25:29<hannes_> SMP: no it works for me 17:25:31<fake> hannes just re-installed his original ROCK glibc and there it works 17:25:49<fake> hannes_: what did you change in 'your' glibc? 17:26:00<hannes_> nothing 17:26:15<hannes_> strange..or i don't know.. 17:26:21<SMP> mnemoc: Mono is such a mess sometimes .. 17:26:29<fake> Emerge-Pkg should scream loud and ask for confirmation a few times before emerging glibc... 17:26:37<hannes_> perhaps something in /lost+found 17:26:45<hannes_> i didn't emerge a new libc 17:27:52<fake> hehe 17:28:03<fake> w3m in the utf8-xterm doesn't show german umlauts 17:28:21<fake> but i can see Kanjis and turkish umlauts ;) 17:30:15<hannes_> the w3m-uft8 patch is discarded 17:30:40<SMP> ok, great 17:31:14<hannes_> i am looking forward to my new build.. 17:31:37* SMP looking forward to his bed 17:33:19<mnemoc> =) 17:39:33ωνω Signoff tcr: #rocklinux (Remote closed the connection) 17:50:23ωνω Signoff daja77: #rocklinux (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 18:04:52* SMP declares victory over System.Data.MergeManager and System.Data.Index 18:04:59<mnemoc> :D 18:08:09* fake cheers 18:41:09ωνω Joseph [~xpgamer@12-203-206-121.client.insightBB.com] has joined #rocklinux 18:44:43<Joseph> woah 18:45:40<Joseph> great idea, but not exactly what a gamer like me would look for heh, but im gonna recommend this to a few friends that run server companies :) 18:47:11<mnemoc> =) 18:47:45<mnemoc> i question you get after reading the documentation, just ask :) 18:47:50<mnemoc> any* 18:47:54<Joseph> but im guessing this is stabler then most "easy" distros *cough mandrake *cough* 18:48:45<mnemoc> rock is uglier, but a 'bit' more stable and easier to admin than the others :p 18:49:24<Joseph> all the customization is a good thing 18:49:48<mnemoc> th: here? 18:49:50<Joseph> built around your computer, not the kick-ass computers their running in their office 18:50:39<Joseph> how easy would it be, to set this all up and setup kde on it? 18:50:48<Joseph> for someone that has used mandrake for a little while? 18:51:07<mnemoc> rock is designed to (cross)build the stuff in your best(s) machine(s) and just install from CD (or netwrok) on their targets 18:51:44<mnemoc> export one enviromental var 18:54:53<Joseph> haha 18:55:02<Joseph> "I have no root and i want to scream" 18:55:10<Joseph> hahahahaha. 19:08:40<mnemoc> th: patch for you on submaster (for getting votes) 19:11:30<mnemoc> SMP: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004100301095812856 <-- comments? 19:11:47<mnemoc> fake: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004100301095812856 <-- comments? :p --- Log closed Sat Oct 02 19:37:16 2004 --- Log opened Sat Oct 02 19:57:49 2004 19:57:49ωνω mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.48] has joined #rocklinux 19:57:49ωνω Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 22 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal] 19:58:42ωνω Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 58 secs 20:21:18ωνω Signoff Joseph: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:45:48ωνω netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8C61F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:03:27ωνω Signoff netrunner: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:21:21ωνω Signoff nzg: #rocklinux ("Verlassend") 21:48:37ωνω Signoff [BNAFH]: #rocklinux (Remote closed the connection) 22:06:58ωνω blindcod1r [~blindcode@pD9E4FFF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:19:45ωνω Signoff blindcoder: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) --- Log closed Sun Oct 03 00:00:08 2004