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[02:51] asmoday (~xx@pD9E8EF94.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [02:52] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) joined #rocklinux. [02:53] <demian> hi [02:53] <demian> da u know about a complete int 80h syscalls reference? with arguments and returns. [03:00] <mnemoc> https://www.int80h.org/ :) [03:01] <demian> https://world.std.com/~slanning/asm/syscall_list.html [03:01] <demian> :) [03:02] <mnemoc> no te gusto el mio? :( [03:03] <demian> mnemoc: ya conocia el sitio ;-) solo buscaba una referencia completa de argumentos y retornos, una tabla justo como esa.. gracias anyways! [03:04] <mnemoc> you are welcome :) [03:05] <demian> mnemoc: are u .ar ? [03:07] <mnemoc> .cl [03:07] <demian> oh yes, now i remember. [03:07] <mnemoc> i remember you were mike's lost friend :) [03:07] <demian> why lost ? [03:08] <mnemoc> you were looooong time away [03:08] <demian> ah yes.. deje de usar linux y dedicarme a estas cosas para centrarme un poco mejor en mis prioridades. [03:09] <mnemoc> what priorities? (if we can know) [03:09] <demian> de hecho he estado mas del lado windows por los ambientes de desarrollo con los que trabajo. delphi, visual studio, java, etc.. [03:10] <mnemoc> monodevelop.org :) [03:10] <demian> i know. also about dotgnu. but the university stablished a contract with microsoft and now we, the students got extra benefits and support if we use ms .net [03:11] <mnemoc> we too :\ [03:11] <demian> really? how did? [03:11] <mnemoc> five start loosers, msrlab, ... [03:12] <mnemoc> there are only windows desktops available for student at my campus [03:12] <mnemoc> five stars* [03:12] <demian> well.. here every workstation runs linux, and some windows. servers are all running linux. [03:13] <mnemoc> our servers are DUX, and a few linux [03:14] <demian> but the support guys are doint horrible things with linux here.. scary and ugly things.. :s [03:14] <mnemoc> :) [03:15] <demian> i will be coding for ms stuff for at least 3 years more.. meanwhile i will try to my some efforts to use mono and some other linux solutions for development solutions. [03:16] <mnemoc> www.humano2.com [03:17] <mnemoc> it's a cool ERP written on .net for win2003 and mssql but it's opensource since friday [03:18] <demian> friday.. [03:18] <demian> this past friday? i am so interested in ERP solutions.. [03:19] <mnemoc> yestarday [03:19] <mnemoc> the nice part is that is 100% generic, and customizable on the fly [03:20] <demian> mnemoc: have u tried it? [03:20] <mnemoc> a few times.... i was asked for comments before their 'open' [03:21] <demian> i will try to get source right now. [03:21] <demian> "..Durante las proximas semanas liberaremos la versión sobre Linux..." [03:21] <demian> aun no. [03:22] <mnemoc> there is an online demo [03:22] <demian> dunt u know about some other erp solutions (maybe opensource) for linux? [03:23] <mnemoc> i don't like to use prototypes on production :) [03:23] <demian> i like to see prototypes so i could develop my own solutions. [03:23] <demian> mainly software designs.. they help a lot. [03:24] <mnemoc> lol, it is downloadable from www.humano2.com [03:24] <mnemoc> 20M o_O [03:24] <mnemoc> https://www.humano2.com/about/download/H2_Install.zip [03:25] Action: demian started download 2 minutes ago.. [03:25] <mnemoc> :) [03:25] <demian> mnemoc: da u develop bussiness solutions? [03:26] <mnemoc> yep [03:26] <mnemoc> i have to maintain a family :p [03:27] <demian> so dunt u know about some bussiness architectures and software design for PoS and ERP? once i started my own design.. it become ugly.. now i need to start a new one but want to take ideas from experienced ppl.. [03:28] <demian> we will talk later.. i got to go. [03:28] <demian> bye [03:28] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) left irc: "leaving" [04:14] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-095-053.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [04:27] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-101-218.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:16] asmoday (~xx@pD9E8EF94.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: [07:38] netrunne1 (~andreas@pD9E8C0FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [07:55] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8C8A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:55] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [07:55] <blindcoder> moin [09:26] <[anders2]> niom [09:31] <blindcoder> whatever :) [10:28] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.12) joined #rocklinux. [10:35] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.14) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:59] treo (~xfman@Da85d.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [11:00] <treo> sali [11:15] mistik1 (rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net) got netsplit. [11:16] mistik1 (rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net) returned to #rocklinux. [11:20] mistik1 (rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:20] mistik1 (rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net) joined #rocklinux. [11:40] Action: netrunne1 is now using yeahwm [11:40] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner [12:29] ringo (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) joined #rocklinux. [12:45] ringo (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:14] <th> netrunner: sounds promising when can i expect rock package in sm? [13:26] <SerWou> anyone runs enlightenment here ? [13:26] <th> SerWou: why do you think that? [13:26] <SerWou> what do you mean ? [13:26] <th> why do you think everyone uses enlightenment here? [13:27] <mnemoc_> th: what rock package? [13:27] <th> mnemoc_: "* netrunne1 is now using yeahwm" [13:27] <SerWou> it's a question, to know if someone use it or not [13:27] <th> mnemoc_: "yeahwm" [13:27] <mnemoc_> :) [13:27] <th> SerWou: ahh sorry - missread that. [13:27] <th> SerWou: me not [13:27] <SerWou> i'm running xfce, i'm trying enlightenment [13:29] <mnemoc_> enlightment is _damn_ fat [13:29] <SerWou> but it's the most advanced UI i never saw [13:30] <mnemoc_> th, netrunner: https://phrat.de/index.html <--- what can be cool on it??? [13:35] <th> mnemoc_: sounds just like what i'd like [13:36] <th> mnemoc_: currently using pekwm [13:36] <th> mnemoc_: but i think pekwm is superior in it's configuration flexibility [13:41] <th> mnemoc_: what wm would you consider cool? [13:44] <mnemoc_> cool? enlightment is cool, but i would never use it [13:45] <mnemoc_> i like gnome and gtk, but i like k* apps :\ [13:47] <mnemoc_> xfce is a nice lightweight wm [13:50] <valentin> how about twm ? [13:50] Action: blindcoder throwing icewm into the WM war [13:51] <valentin> i'll use the first wm that comes up with full X.Org rgba visual support ,) [13:51] <valentin> s/first/first functional/ [13:52] <blindcoder> what's rgba visual and why is it so important? [13:52] <blindcoder> (is it as important as translucent windows?) [13:52] <valentin> it is important _for_ translucent windows [13:52] <blindcoder> oh [13:53] <blindcoder> so it has like _no_ right of existance at all? [13:53] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:53] <th> mnemoc_: i like it lightweight and i like it with groupability [13:53] <valentin> you already have tranclucent windows with the composition manager, but thats a generic transparency [13:53] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) joined #rocklinux. [13:53] <th> hi praenti [13:54] <blindcoder> valentin: I have yet to see an actually useful usage of translucent windows [13:54] <valentin> on screen displays [13:55] <valentin> ok, that is not much [13:55] <blindcoder> isn't there xosd already? [13:56] <valentin> does it use rgba or static screenshots ? [13:57] <blindcoder> oh, btw: KDE uses the /usr/share/applications/ automatically [13:57] <blindcoder> valentin: in terms I understand? [13:57] <valentin> and anotherthing that is posible with X.Org is pagers and expose functions [13:58] <valentin> does the tranclucent window background change ? [13:58] <blindcoder> valentin: IIRC it's solid [13:58] <valentin> so you cannot see a video moving under your osd window [13:59] <valentin> but i have to admid that this is all toy stuff. [13:59] <valentin> a real pager would be cool though [13:59] <blindcoder> well, generally I'm not against toy stuff [13:59] <valentin> real == not working with screenshots [14:01] <blindcoder> but I think that the real usage of something like that lies in Set-Top-Boxes and DVDplayers et al, hardly on the desktop [14:02] <valentin> pager / expose ? [14:02] <blindcoder> osd [14:02] <valentin> realtime shrinking and deforming of windows [14:02] <valentin> tranclucent window decorations ? [14:03] <valentin> translucency while moving windows around ? [14:03] <valentin> all toy stuff, but cool [14:04] <blindcoder> sorry, pizza is currently inducing lag here [14:05] <blindcoder> translucent window decorations remind me of windows mplayer [14:05] <blindcoder> translucency while moving around? not on this laptop, I'm afraid [14:06] <blindcoder> that would need a lot of cpu for frequently / constantly changing windews [14:06] <blindcoder> and I'm not keen on buying a 3 GHz processor just for my WM [14:08] <valentin> blindy: most of that is done by your graphic card [14:08] <valentin> except deformation [14:08] <valentin> s/is/can be/ [14:09] <blindcoder> 4535 frames in 5.0 seconds = 907.000 FPS [14:09] <blindcoder> glxgears output [14:09] <blindcoder> I'm barely able to play bzflag in medium quality here [14:09] <valentin> it is the 2d performance that matters [14:10] <valentin> like rectangular area copy speed [14:11] <valentin> if one would have a wm that uses composite and damage, moving windows around and pager stuff would be less cpu intensive than without [14:12] Action: valentin away [16:32] <netrunner> oh, I seem to have started something :) [16:32] Action: netrunner reading backlog [17:46] asmoday (~xx@p54804CD5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [18:16] <th> netrunner: do you know pekwm? [18:19] <netrunner> th: I opened the page before I left, but didn't look at it toroughly. [18:20] <netrunner> th: the yeahwm.conf has a problem, I'll discard and resubmit. [18:20] <mnemoc_> pukewm? [18:21] <mnemoc_> th: looks nice [18:22] <netrunner> windowmaker 0.90.0 building ... [18:35] <th> mnemoc_: it is. and configuration is great [18:42] Action: netrunner modified cron.daily/90-kdm to actually work. [19:04] <netrunner> th: does pekwm have xinerama support? [19:05] <th> netrunner: i don't know [19:06] <netrunner> ah, yes. [19:07] <daja77> fake: ? [19:23] <daja77> th: strange stuff with libtiff [19:25] <th> daja77: you name it [19:26] <daja77> kdegraphics build fine here, the 3.3.1 version [19:27] Action: daja77 just back from md :) [19:27] <th> daja77: it builds fine here too - now [19:27] <th> 2184 builds total, 2152 completed fine, 0 with errors. [19:27] <th> reverted the libtiff [19:27] tooly (~tooly@pD9587C6B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:29] <daja77> that's fine, i did not know what crap they released [19:29] <daja77> i just pulled it, built it, whcih it did with no errors .. [20:04] <netrunner> hm, we don't have galeon? or where is it? [20:04] <th> dropped from stable due to mozilla update [20:05] <th> same for epiphany [20:05] <netrunner> hm. not that I'd need it, I just saw that it was updated and wanted to update the package. [20:05] <netrunner> I' am fine with mozilla :) [20:07] <th> netrunner: so please undo the dropping; update and test if it builds with mozilla-1.7.3 [20:07] <th> the old version did not with 1.7.2 [20:08] <netrunner> th: I cannot find it in my trunk, where should it be? [20:08] <th> netrunner: gimme a second [20:08] <th> i'm talking of 2.0-stable [20:09] <th> r4095 dropped epiphany and galeon [20:10] <th> netrunner: you can just checkout 2.0-stable/package/gnome2/galeon with revision 4094 [20:11] <netrunner> th: it was obviously also dropped from 2.1 [20:11] <th> netrunner: yes although i'm not sure about it - i expected it. [20:11] <netrunner> th: I don't care about it very much. If anybody desperately needs it, we can reintegrate it. [20:11] <th> svn co svn://www.rocklinux.net/rock-linux/branches/2.0-stable/package/gnome2/galeon -r 4094 [20:12] <th> netrunner: would be nice to know if it builds [20:16] <netrunner> th: I just realized that it was an update to the unstable branch. interested anyway? [20:17] <th> netrunner: that does not sound interesting to stable :-/ [20:17] <netrunner> jup. [20:20] <netrunner> th: there is still 2.4.26 in -stable? [20:21] <th> netrunner: daja77 sent update patch for 2.4.27 looks good in my refbuild. expect commit of update to 2.4.27 soon [20:23] <netrunner> th: I do it manually now. :) [20:24] <netrunner> th: is that on ml? [20:24] <th> no [20:24] <th> netrunner: i can send you svn diff [20:25] <th> refbuild just finished [20:25] <netrunner> th: that would be nice. [20:25] <th> wait a second [20:27] <blindcoder> hi [20:27] <netrunner> as long as security updates find their way into stable, I'll use it for my new server build. [20:28] <th> i'll give my best [20:29] <th> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/27.patch [20:30] Action: blindcoder having a Zombie-Cocktail. Anyone else want one? [20:31] <netrunner> blindcoder: if you deliver [20:32] <blindcoder> netrunner: only within the confinements of my flat :) [20:33] Action: netrunner spawning a wormhole [20:33] Action: blindcoder firing his anti-neutrino-gun at the strange thing materialising next to him [20:34] Action: netrunner walking through the wormhole into his kitchen to fetch some more pancakes [20:37] <th> netrunner: everything ok with that patch? ;-) [20:39] <netrunner> th: jup, curl|patched it. [20:39] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:39] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) joined #rocklinux. [20:39] <th> netrunner: doing a full build? [20:39] <netrunner> th: probably. [20:39] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:44] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) joined #rocklinux. [20:45] tooly (~tooly@pD9587C6B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:54] <th> netrunner: i can give you the whole change i'm planning to commit soon [20:57] <th> netrunner: includes subversion cleanup [20:58] <th> netrunner: firefox+thunderbird+moxilla update [20:58] <th> netrunner: and few more [20:59] <th> netrunner: https://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/full-journal-2004-10-24.patch [20:59] <th> netrunner: i'm off now [20:59] <th> cya [21:02] <netrunner> th: thx, applied. [21:23] Action: blindcoder now going to have a good, long alc-induced sleep [21:23] <blindcoder> good night [21:24] <daja77> sleep well ;) [21:27] <netrunner> n8 blindy [22:07] duncanmv_ (~duncan@pc-200-74-64-208.asturias1.pc.metropolis-inter.com) joined #rocklinux. [22:07] <duncanmv_> hi guys [22:07] <duncanmv_> I need a patch for NX rocklinux has in it's ports tree [22:07] <netrunner> duncanmv_: how do you know there's only girls here? [22:07] <netrunner> s/girls/guys/ [22:08] <netrunner> duncanmv_: you can take it if you want :) [22:08] <duncanmv_> netrunner: where? [22:09] <netrunner> https://www.rocklinux.net/svn/rock-linux/trunk/ [22:10] <duncanmv_> thanks man [22:10] <duncanmv_> what dir is nx-x11? [22:11] <netrunner> duncanmv_: I removed it :) [22:11] <duncanmv_> whaaat? [22:11] <netrunner> duncanmv_: what do you need from it? [22:11] <duncanmv_> the gcc 3.4 patch [22:11] <netrunner> duncanmv_: the package was unfinished. [22:12] <duncanmv_> so the patches are lots now? [22:12] <duncanmv_> lost [22:12] <netrunner> no. [22:12] <netrunner> that's the benefit of versioning systems :) [22:13] <netrunner> duncanmv_: I can mail it to you if you'd like [22:13] <duncanmv_> netrunner: great. duncan@kde.org [22:15] <netrunner> duncanmv_: out. [22:16] <netrunner> (I mean the mail, not that I command you to leave ;) [22:20] <duncanmv_> lol [22:27] asmoday (~xx@p54804CD5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: [22:29] <duncanmv_> lets see if it builds [22:51] <netrunner> duncanmv_: that is for nx-X11-1.4.0-3.tar.gz ... just fyi [22:51] <duncanmv_> built here ;-) [22:51] <duncanmv_> now I am coding the install script [22:51] <netrunner> duncanmv_: you are welcom eto contribute it to rock :) [22:52] <duncanmv_> netrunner: I am using archlinux :-( [22:52] <duncanmv_> but should not be hard to port [22:52] <duncanmv_> after all, I am porting it from gentoo [22:52] <netrunner> duncanmv_: what I always wanted was a installation where I could have the nx X11 in parallel, but I think this is not possible. [22:52] <duncanmv_> what for? [22:53] <netrunner> duncanmv_: just use it for remote stuff, and use a normal uptodate xorg X11 for daily work [22:54] <duncanmv_> netrunner: well, thats how NX works [22:54] <duncanmv_> you have NX in /usr/NX, and run nxserver-freenx [22:54] <duncanmv_> you use xorg local, and nxserver remotely [22:54] <duncanmv_> no conflicts [22:54] <duncanmv_> thats why you don't do make insall (or you break your X11) [22:54] <duncanmv_> you read the README and copy some libx to /usr/NX [22:56] <netrunner> https://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86816 *rofl* [22:56] <netrunner> duncanmv_: oh, there might have been my fault :) [22:57] <duncanmv_> ;-) [23:01] <duncanmv_> ok, must go [23:01] <duncanmv_> thanks Andreas [23:01] <duncanmv_> cya [23:02] duncanmv_ (~duncan@pc-200-74-64-208.asturias1.pc.metropolis-inter.com) left #rocklinux ("Bye"). [00:00] --- Mon Oct 25 2004