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[00:48] <treo> ich geh pennen gute nacht [00:49] treo (~xfman@Da85d.d.pppool.de) left irc: "cya@all" [04:14] blindcod1r (~blindcode@213.23.154.146) joined #rocklinux. [04:29] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-095-053.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:43] IRCMonkey (~chatzilla@65.89.97.54) joined #rocklinux. [04:44] <IRCMonkey> test [04:45] <IRCMonkey> whos running rock linux [04:46] <IRCMonkey> I am running SuSE but I like to try others [04:48] IRCMonkey (~chatzilla@65.89.97.54) left #rocklinux. [06:06] hannes_ (ucbiv@rzstud3.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:37] netrunne1 (~andreas@pD9E8C1D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [07:54] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8C0FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:46] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [08:46] <blindcoder> moin [09:19] Togg (~sweitzel@reverse-213-146-118-69.dialin.kamp-dsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:19] Togg (~sweitzel@reverse-213-146-118-69.dialin.kamp-dsl.de) joined #rocklinux. [09:36] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:55] <th> moin [09:55] <blindcoder> moin moin [09:56] <th> hi blindy [09:57] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.12) joined #rocklinux. [09:57] Action: blindcoder is so damn sleepy [09:58] <blindcoder> th: btw, there still _is_ a problem with subversion: if compiled with apache it needs apache (well, libaprutil to be exact) runtime [10:01] <th> you mean without? [10:02] <blindcoder> no [10:02] <th> talking of trunk or my stable version? [10:02] <blindcoder> well, both actually [10:02] <th> (did svn cleanup in stable lately) [10:02] <blindcoder> if subversion is compiled with apache, it needs apache at runtime. [10:02] <th> is that a problem? [10:03] <th> if it's compiled with apache it depends on it. [10:03] <th> that's clear [10:03] <th> i did not get the problem yety [10:03] <th> ,.$,, [10:03] <blindcoder> yes, but if you just want to use the client you usually don't install apache [10:03] <th> talking of a binary install, i suppose? [10:04] <blindcoder> yes [10:04] <th> so if we would add another pass to build the client as if no apache would be available... [10:04] <th> would that help? [10:05] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.12) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [10:06] <th> what's the difference between a client binary built with apache and a client binary built without apache? (expect the lib dependence) [10:06] <blindcoder> nothing [10:07] <blindcoder> th: yes, that would help. If built without apache subversion seems to use its own aprutil or some such [10:07] <th> so it's sort of bug that the client depends (unnecessarily) on apache [10:07] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) joined #rocklinux. [10:07] <th> ahhh [10:07] <blindcoder> yes [10:07] <blindcoder> okay, I just checked [10:08] <th> so the difference is: it's uses it's own apr then [10:08] <blindcoder> subversion uses its own libapr and libapr-util if no apache available [10:08] <blindcoder> yes [10:08] <th> so we need the client to use the svn-shipped apr; and the rest to use the apache apr stuff [10:08] <th> what parts are considered "client"? [10:09] <blindcoder> actually, we need all but the apache-modules to use the internal library [10:09] <th> svnlook / svnadmin? [10:09] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:09] <blindcoder> I only checked with `svn` cause that's what I have on my Crystal machine [10:10] <th> blindcoder: did you had a look at my stable svn cleanup? [10:10] <th> blindcoder: https://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/full-journal-2004-10-24.patch it's in there [10:10] <th> blindcoder: not yet committed [10:10] <blindcoder> *click* [10:10] <th> i think it's easier to apply this to a stable head [10:11] <th> .oO(stable head - hmmm) [10:12] <blindcoder> I'll work out a solution to this libapr* thing today or tomorrow [10:12] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) joined #rocklinux. [10:13] <th> blindcoder: "work out a solution"? i thought it works by doing another pass? [10:16] <blindcoder> th: yes, it should work then. Theoretically [10:17] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:17] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) joined #rocklinux. [10:40] praenti_ (~praenti@mail.obster.org) joined #rocklinux. [10:40] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:03] <th> blindcoder: it's not that easy cause a non-static pass does not create the binaries directly without make install [11:03] <th> blindcoder: but wrappers instead [11:04] <blindcoder> *sigh* I know something like that would happen :/ [11:06] <SerWou> Hello the Chan [11:06] <th> hello the SerWou [11:06] <blindcoder> moin SerWou [11:07] <SerWou> hello guys [11:08] <SerWou> how are you ? [11:10] <th> blindcoder: well - i could do a real make install in stand-alone pass [11:13] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EB45A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [11:14] <blindcoder> th: but the make install in apache pass would overwrite them, no? [11:15] <th> blindcoder: yes - but i'd copy them before [11:15] <th> where is that option to never cleanup src dir? [11:15] <blindcoder> th: sounds evil [11:18] <blindcoder> argh [11:19] <blindcoder> subversion's configure treats --with-apr as being equal to --without-apr [11:21] <blindcoder> btw, why is there no libbz2.so? [11:22] <th> where? [11:22] <blindcoder> In my recent Crystal build I did not get a libbz2.so [11:23] <blindcoder> just a .a [11:23] <blindcoder> also in stable [11:27] <blindcoder> th: just removing --with-apr= and --with-apr-util seems to fix this [11:28] <blindcoder> although it makes subversion install its own libapr and libaprutil [11:30] praenti_ (~praenti@mail.obster.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:37] <th> blindcoder: removing --with-apr= and --with-apr-util still builds apache module fine and fixes the apache dependency of client bins? [11:38] <blindcoder> yes [11:38] <th> blindcoder: sound great [11:38] <blindcoder> it solves the problem :) [11:39] <blindcoder> I'm gonna submit this after the next patch-wave [11:39] <th> # all this is to build the apache server-side module [11:39] <th> # and to make sure no locally included APR stuff get's installed [11:39] <th> # as well as no modification to httpd.conf is done ... [11:39] <th> i think we should remove the second line ;) [11:39] <blindcoder> indeed :-) [11:40] <th> where is apr stuff installed then? [11:40] <th> might that interfere with apache itself? [11:40] <blindcoder> $prefix which is /usr [11:40] <blindcoder> apache prefix is /opt/apache [11:40] <th> so this would break if apache prefix would be /usr [11:40] <blindcoder> yes [11:41] <blindcoder> or would it... [11:41] <blindcoder> yes [11:41] <blindcoder> yes, it would [11:43] <th> but that's it: we need apr stuff. either we take it from apache and depend on it - or we take our own and clash with apache ... [11:43] <blindcoder> we only clash with apache if someone changes the default apache prefix (which one should not do anyway :) [11:43] <th> exactly [11:44] <th> perhaps we should assert that [11:44] <blindcoder> only with a warning in scripts/Config [11:45] <th> sounds ok [11:45] <th> can you submit this warning in apache/config.in to submaster somewhen? [11:46] <blindcoder> yes, I will [11:46] <blindcoder> as soon as clifford has applied the current changes [11:47] <blindcoder> btw, he's quite been quiet recently, hasn't he? [11:48] <th> hmm [11:48] <th> yes [11:49] <blindcoder> okay, time for lunch. bbl [11:49] <th> yo [11:50] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) joined #rocklinux. [12:31] <blindcoder> back [12:32] <blindcoder> th: speaking of the devil :) [12:32] <th> blindcoder: hmm? [12:32] <blindcoder> th: clifford sent a mail 20 minutes ago :) [12:32] <th> ahh ic [13:01] <th> blindcoder: btw: subversion released 1.1.1 ;) [13:03] jeff_hann (~schaiba@194.176.179.72) joined #rocklinux. [13:04] <blindcoder> th: d'oh [13:05] Action: blindcoder creating a few more usability patches [13:09] jeff_hann (~schaiba@194.176.179.72) left irc: Client Quit [13:15] <th> mnemoc: ping [13:53] tschmidt_ (~tschmidt@p508EA41B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:55] hannes_ (ucbiv@rzstud3.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de) joined #rocklinux. [14:01] <th> moin hannes_ [14:04] kasc (kasc@dsl-082-083-046-168.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:08] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EB45A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:09] kasc (kasc@dsl-213-023-208-230.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [14:13] <daja77> re [14:13] <blindcoder> moin daja77 [14:13] <daja77> moin blindy [14:14] <blindcoder> is it just me or is our big poobah in a sort of "friss-oder-stirb" mood today? [14:19] <daja77> well his answers are short, but he is always busy [14:19] <th> "poobah"? [14:19] <mnemoc> th: pong [14:20] <th> mnemoc: ah [14:20] <th> mnemoc: i just notcied that cksum-err downloaded files don't go into the new structure [14:20] <th> mnemoc: is that intended? [14:20] <daja77> you mean that loop-aes thing? [14:20] <blindcoder> daja77: yeah [14:20] <mnemoc> th: more or less... i prefered to not alter it too much [14:21] <blindcoder> daja77: well, I just noticed that a new release of loop-aes has been made within the last few hours, so I don't really mind the update anymore [14:21] <daja77> ;) [14:22] <blindcoder> still I feel awkward over the decision [14:25] <daja77> well this is a mailinglist, so discuss it [14:25] <blindcoder> daja77: I've already had my turn again, waiting for clifford right now [14:26] <blindcoder> daja77: also, I'd better save my luck for the other maybe controversial patches I've just submitted [14:33] <daja77> https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/technologie/0,1518,druck-324084,00.html [14:35] <mnemoc> th: why do you think .err location is important? [14:36] <th> mnemoc: well - i was just confused cause i could not find the file at first attempt [14:37] <th> mnemoc: and confusion is a bad thing ;) [14:38] <mnemoc> my idea was to use old schema on old trees, sharing files cleanly. not to use new schema on old trees [14:38] <th> ahh i see [14:38] <th> mnemoc: but you move every file from old schema to new schema [14:38] <th> (creating a symlink) [14:38] <mnemoc> that's the share part [14:40] <mnemoc> but you are the maintainer :) feel free to do what ever you want [14:40] <th> mnemoc: i'm just the one doing commits; asking questions; begging for patches; et al [14:41] <mnemoc> :) [14:41] <mnemoc> if you want new schema on old trees the aproach shall be absolutly different [14:41] <th> to know what to do is the bigger part of work [14:43] <th> mnemoc: but it provides some sort of "new schema on old trees" [14:44] <th> mnemoc: along with some backward compatibiltiy [14:44] treo (~xfman@D92bd.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [14:45] <treo> sali [14:46] <daja77> moin treo [14:47] <blindcoder> th: you might want to use the apache/subversion thing in stable, because I just thought about a more elegant solution with package-splitting [14:47] <th> mnemoc: what would be the main difference to the current approach when providing "new schema on old trees with compat"? [14:47] <th> blindcoder: i always put that in stable (not yet committed) [14:48] <blindcoder> okay [14:48] <th> blindcoder: i can give you the changeset vs. head if you like [14:48] <th> so you could spent a checking look [14:48] <blindcoder> well, removing a single line surely won't need much proofreading :) [14:49] <th> well - i did some more than that [14:49] <blindcoder> oh, then please do [14:49] <th> i removed subversion-static package and added a static pass to subversion itself [14:49] <blindcoder> I just wanted to tell you that the apache/subversion patch won't live long in submaster [14:49] <th> yes [14:51] <th> blindcoder: full pending changeset is in my people dir again. [14:51] <th> full-journal-2004-10-25.patch [14:52] <th> blindcoder: but i think i should take the apache warning into stable [14:54] <mnemoc> th: download_file should use 'new-schema' for filename, and download itself caluculate old-schema location using package and repository name [14:59] treo (~xfman@D92bd.d.pppool.de) got netsplit. [14:59] treo (~xfman@D92bd.d.pppool.de) returned to #rocklinux. [15:05] treo (~xfman@D92bd.d.pppool.de) got netsplit. [15:06] treo (~xfman@D92bd.d.pppool.de) returned to #rocklinux. [15:07] <daja77> i don't get it, why a program that was built with gcc-3.2.3 wants a GCC_3.3 symbol in glibc [15:07] <th> perhaps it uses binary libs built with gcc-3.3? [15:08] <daja77> there is no gcc-3.3 on this system at all [15:09] <th> binary libs are not built on that system at all [15:10] <daja77> O_o gcc -v tells me it is a 3.4.1, ok i see i broke it [15:11] <mnemoc> hehe [15:11] <daja77> and mine tells me it is 3.2.3 .. [15:12] <blindcoder> daja77: mine -q gcc34 # :-) [15:12] <daja77> well there shouldn't be any gcc34 as system compiler [15:45] <blindcoder> question: what's the sense in first removing the dependencies mentioned in [E] and _then_ creating the dependencies file? [15:46] <blindcoder> oh, forget it [15:51] Nick change: tschmidt_ -> nzg [16:00] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.6) joined #rocklinux. [16:02] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.12) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:05] <blindcoder> WEE! 20 patches reached :) [16:06] <clifford> argwl! "BerkeleyDB: Invalid argument" [16:06] <clifford> .. does anyone remember the details of that bug? [16:07] <blindcoder> after a subversion update? [16:08] <clifford> in general. subversion was just one app triggering the problem [16:08] <clifford> .. it was a compiler/cpu optimization problem - but who does remember the details?? [16:08] <blindcoder> compiler... ehm... no, sorry [16:08] <blindcoder> don't know anything about that [16:09] <daja77> which optimzation was used? [16:09] <clifford> x86 generic, openldap fails with that error. [16:11] <daja77> iirc some programs need at least p-mmx because they use mmx instructions, but dunno if that is related to this problem [16:42] <daja77> this libtiff list is incredible [16:42] <daja77> The '--disable-old-jpeg' configure option does ENABLE "Old [16:42] <daja77> JPEG support"! [16:42] <daja77> guess the rest of that script is equally broken [17:28] <clifford> hannes_: are you listening? [18:41] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EA41B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [19:19] <SerWou> Hello the chan [21:24] <mnemoc_> which package provides ttf fonts? [21:24] <blindcoder> truetype? [21:25] <mnemoc_> .oO [21:25] <mnemoc_> # echo package/*/*true* [21:25] <mnemoc_> package/*/*true* [21:26] <blindcoder> ah [21:26] <blindcoder> freetype, sorry [21:26] <mnemoc_> thanks :) [21:26] <blindcoder> and freefonts, of course :) [21:27] <mnemoc_> o_O [21:27] <daja77> cheapskatefonst ... [21:27] <mnemoc_> Times-Roman? [21:27] <mnemoc_> i need only that font... to render some .dot [21:29] <mnemoc_> freefont didn't installed any font file :\ [21:32] <mnemoc_> damn... freefonts don't build without X :( [21:32] <mnemoc_> can anyone send me _that_ fontfile? [21:32] <daja77> you can download the ttf fonts from ms [21:32] <mnemoc_> yes? good [21:33] <daja77> yes [21:37] <daja77> th: ? [21:38] <mnemoc_> another dummy thing, what do i need to do with .ttf file for graphviz to find it? [21:39] <mnemoc_> times.ttf is there but dot wants 'Times-Roman' [21:40] <mnemoc_> i should have installed X on my mail server :'( [21:49] Action: mnemoc_ stealing mkfont* [21:50] <mnemoc_> .oO( graphic world i such a pain compared to console+framebuffer )o [21:55] <mnemoc_> aaaarg!! [21:56] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAAD60.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [22:02] ringo (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) joined #rocklinux. [22:22] <daja77> clifford: ? [22:24] <th> daja77: pong [22:25] <daja77> th: i currently testing libtiff again, and did a libtool update before, will see if cinepaint works now [22:25] <th> daja77: check for netpbm as well [22:25] <daja77> rock has 1.5, there is a 1.5.10 meanwhile [22:25] <daja77> ok [22:45] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAAD60.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:53] <daja77> ah damn [23:19] <daja77> th: netpbm and cinepaint built fine, libtiff created the .so files with the new libtool ... 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