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[00:27] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) joined #rocklinux. [00:27] <demian> hi geeks. [00:34] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) left irc: "leaving" [00:55] cap (~cap@p213.54.67.185.tisdip.tiscali.de) joined #rocklinux. [03:28] daja77 ([8x+RrxJe6@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:06] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-152-214.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [04:07] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-153-208.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:16] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) joined #rocklinux. [05:52] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) left irc: "leaving" [05:57] cap (~cap@p213.54.67.185.tisdip.tiscali.de) left irc: "leaving" [06:01] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) joined #rocklinux. [06:01] <demian> hi [06:01] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:02] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) joined #rocklinux. [06:06] daja77 ([muZr7sJ4p@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) joined #rocklinux. [06:43] netrunne1 (~andreas@pD9E8C74B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [06:47] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) left irc: "leaving" [07:00] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8D695.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 238 (Connection timed out) [08:00] <BoS> moin [08:06] <SerWou> Hello the Chan [08:06] <SerWou> ps -ax [08:06] <SerWou> sorry ;) [08:10] <BoS> return value: " " :) [08:12] <th> moin [08:34] BoS (~BoS@dialin-212-144-002-226.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [09:03] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [09:03] <blindcoder> moin [09:03] <th> hi blindcoder [09:04] <blindcoder> moin th [09:05] <th> hmm i've the first version of my own lvm-common-wrapper script ready and working [09:05] <blindcoder> great :) [09:06] <blindcoder> if [ $kernelversion == 2.4* ] ; then /opt/lvm/bin/lvm "$@" ; else /opt/lvm2/bin/lvm "$@" ; fi [09:06] <blindcoder> ? [09:07] <th> kernel version can not be used for deciding. [09:07] <blindcoder> damn [09:07] <th> cause you can have lvm2 in 2.4 [09:07] <th> but that's not the point. [09:07] <th> /proc/lvm only exists with lvm1 [09:07] <th> and then /opt might be on a volume group itself [09:08] <th> so we will have to put it to /lib/lvm and /lib/lvm2 [09:08] <blindcoder> I see [09:12] <th> and then we have the problem of the clashing manpages [09:12] <blindcoder> brb [09:12] <th> i think we will manage that by an exclusive config option [09:15] <netrunne1> cpan-digest-sha1 missing on server target for spamassassin ... [09:15] <th> we have a server target? [09:16] <th> *jk* [09:16] <netrunne1> th: yes, what's wrong with that? [09:17] <th> nothin; [09:17] <netrunne1> and ash segfaults during the build. [09:23] <netrunne1> how can I select one cpan package with the custom selection rules? [09:24] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner [09:35] <blindcoder> back [09:37] <blindcoder> netrunner: cpan=cpan-digest-sha1 [09:39] <netrunner> nope. does not work. [09:39] <netrunner> only success was with X cpan, but that selects all. [09:40] <th> aehm. is config.in in a package directory evaluated even if that package is not selected for build at all? [09:40] <blindcoder> yes [09:40] <blindcoder> otherwise _USEIT variables wouldn't work at all [09:41] <netrunner> do they? ;) [09:41] <blindcoder> netrunner: yes *kick* [09:41] <blindcoder> th: but usually you want to do a if pkgcheck ${pkg} ; then [09:42] <blindcoder> th: apart from special things like loop-aes [09:42] <th> blindcoder: i need a config option to decide which lvm-manpages to install [09:42] <netrunner> oups, my gpg key is valid until day after tomorrow [09:42] <blindcoder> netrunner: use seahorse :D [09:43] <netrunner> blindcoder: whats that? [09:43] <blindcoder> you only have to update to 0.7.5 [09:43] <blindcoder> netrunner: a gnome app for gpg-key management [09:43] <th> that's part of g-deps hell [09:43] <blindcoder> th: indeed ;( [09:43] <blindcoder> but at least 0.7.5 works [09:43] <netrunner> blindcoder: is the update in sm? [09:43] <blindcoder> while 0.7.4 crashes when you open the preferences dialoge to select the default key [09:44] <blindcoder> netrunner: not yet, I just built and tried it [09:44] <blindcoder> update was released just yesterday [09:45] <blindcoder> committing... [09:46] <blindcoder> 2004110309464023267 [09:48] <netrunner> oh well, crashes here. [09:48] <blindcoder> 0.7.5? [09:48] <netrunner> maybe I have to run gnome for that. [09:48] <netrunner> yes [09:48] <blindcoder> no, I just run icewm [09:49] <blindcoder> and it works fine here :/ [09:49] <netrunner> maybe icewm is gnome compliant. [09:49] <netrunner> bbl [09:49] <blindcoder> okay, bye [09:55] <th> can i have package without [D] line? [09:57] <blindcoder> yes [10:32] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8C74B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) got netsplit. [10:32] daja77 ([muZr7sJ4p@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) got netsplit. [10:32] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-152-214.arcor-ip.net) got netsplit. [10:34] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8C74B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) returned to #rocklinux. [10:34] daja77 ([muZr7sJ4p@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) returned to #rocklinux. [10:34] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-152-214.arcor-ip.net) returned to #rocklinux. [10:34] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-152-214.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Changing server" [10:34] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-152-214.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [10:36] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8C74B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) got netsplit. [10:36] daja77 ([muZr7sJ4p@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) got netsplit. [10:38] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8C74B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) returned to #rocklinux. [10:38] daja77 ([muZr7sJ4p@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) returned to #rocklinux. [11:38] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EB986.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [12:03] <th> blindcoder: did you miss to add the newsflash to the news section on w3? [12:14] <netrunner> openldap fails here because bdb42 lacks threading support, any idea? [12:14] <blindcoder> w3? [12:16] <blindcoder> th: what is w3? [12:16] <th> web [12:16] <th> www [12:16] <th> the "internet" [12:16] <th> websites [12:16] <th> you must know that! [12:16] <blindcoder> well, I added it to Rolling ROCK as usual [12:16] <th> i just had a look at the box at the right [12:17] <th> "BREAKING NEWS:" [12:17] <blindcoder> hrm [12:17] <blindcoder> oh [12:17] <th> the september newsflash is there [12:18] <daja77> th: perhaps the static page is not updated yet? [12:18] <th> daja77: nope [12:18] <th> daja77: i'm not looking at the static page. [12:18] <th> https://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/ [12:18] <daja77> ok [12:19] <blindcoder> I really forgot >_< [12:20] <blindcoder> done [12:20] <th> ack. thanks. looks better now. [12:21] <blindcoder> ^^ [12:21] <blindcoder> glad to be of service [12:21] <th> ;-} [12:22] <blindcoder> okay, LVP website now also moved to typo3 [12:33] <netrunner> gngngn. [12:33] Action: netrunner about to go back to gcc2.95 [12:34] <daja77> wuarg [12:34] <netrunner> hey, I have so many broken utilities here. [12:35] <netrunner> xfig cores when moving points. doxygen crashes during generation of docs. sdl stuff crashes at initialization of heaven knows what. [12:35] Action: netrunner going back to windows. [12:35] <th> daja77: uhhh i'm very confused. Download -required does not download linux-2.4.27 [12:35] <daja77> O_o [12:36] <daja77> the desc file is in svn? [12:36] <th> i'm talking of the bare HEAD [12:36] <daja77> i'll have a look [12:37] <th> it seems all right to me.. [12:38] <daja77> ah no damn rl.net doesn't get resolved here [12:38] <th> i think this is somehow related to mnemocs patch to Download script [12:38] <netrunner> daja77: use it with www. [12:39] <daja77> root@angua:~# host www.rocklinux.net [12:39] <daja77> Host www.rocklinux.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) [12:40] <th> daja77: i'd say you need to check your dns-cache [12:40] <mnemoc> moin [12:40] <th> mnemoc: hi! [12:41] <mnemoc> hi th [12:41] <th> mnemoc: might your patch have impact on Download -required? [12:41] <daja77> th: if it would be mine ... [12:41] <mnemoc> not here at least [12:41] <netrunner> daja77: can you do sth like host www.rocklinux.net dns01.btx.dtag.de ? [12:41] <th> daja77: is it publicly accessable? [12:42] <mnemoc> th: -required is used as a method of selecting packages, the changes i did were done one level bellow that [12:42] <daja77> ah interesting, seems one of the universtity dns servers is outdated, works with another [12:42] <th> mnemoc: well somehow -required does not work here [12:43] <mnemoc> uhm? define 'does not work' [12:43] <th> might be that dns01.btx.dtag.de only answering to dtag customers? [12:43] <mnemoc> bias [12:43] <blindcoder> try a.root-servers.org :-) [12:43] <th> mnemoc: it does not download a file that is obviously needed and not present [12:44] <th> blindcoder: that's a dns-server not a dns-cache [12:44] <blindcoder> th: what's the difference for a user? [12:44] <th> blindcoder: a user should point his/her resolver only on caches. [12:46] <blindcoder> shrug. I have a root-server as tertiary nameserver in my resolv.conf [12:46] <blindcoder> after the two arcor ones [12:49] <th> blindcoder: the main difference is that servers are not to provide recursive answers [12:50] <th> blindcoder: so a cache is for "hey just answer on that query" [12:50] <daja77> arcor >_< [12:50] <th> blindcoder: and a server may very well ignore a query completly if it's not authoritive [12:50] <blindcoder> th: hm... one of these days I'll have to read up on how dns is working [12:51] <blindcoder> daja77: it's quite good if you don't use your phone. Like I do :) [12:51] <th> blindcoder: better start here: https://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html [12:51] Action: blindcoder putting it into his CHECK_UP file [12:52] <daja77> blindcoder: i am still waiting for them to give me dsl ... [12:54] <mnemoc> th: which package? [12:54] <th> mnemoc: linux24 [12:54] <mnemoc> oh [12:54] <th> i added an echo to download_file() - it is not called for linux-2.4.27... [12:55] <blindcoder> daja77: dsl was important for me when choosing my flat [12:55] <th> "flat" ;-) [12:55] <blindcoder> I can see my "Vermittlungstelle" when looking out of the kitchen window :) [12:55] <blindcoder> th: indeed :) [12:55] <daja77> blindcoder: i have an isdn flat and want to switch, but they are just lame [12:55] <blindcoder> daja77: hrm, took ~4-6 weeks here [12:56] <mnemoc> th: target? [12:56] <th> rescue [12:59] <mnemoc> linux24 is not enabled on packages file [12:59] <th> mnemoc: but linux24-header is [12:59] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EB986.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:59] <mnemoc> yes, true. BUT linux*-{header,src} don't declare [D]s [12:59] <th> very strange this was working for months [13:00] <mnemoc> i can waranty you it didn't [13:00] <blindcoder> th: yes, but now we have 2.6 as default kernel [13:00] <th> blindcoder: that has nothing to do with it. [13:00] <th> blindcoder: i'm even on stable [13:00] <blindcoder> hmmm okay [13:00] <mnemoc> th: download linux24 by hand [13:01] <th> mnemoc: thats not a clean solution :-/ [13:01] <mnemoc> X linux24 is the clean solution [13:01] <th> no - i don't want this package to be built [13:02] <mnemoc> then download it by hand Download -package linux24 [13:02] <th> can i do that by some target-logic? [13:02] <mnemoc> linux*-{header,src} are against ROCK's logic per se [13:02] <mnemoc> th: you can download by target but on 2.0 the file will never get shared with real linux24 [13:02] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EB986.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:03] <mnemoc> and linux*-{header,src} will never find it [13:03] <mnemoc> Download download [D]s of all or config-required packages, no extra logic is there [13:04] <mnemoc> and it have never been [13:04] <mnemoc> well.... i think you can enable linux24 and remove stages on target [13:04] <mnemoc> --------- [13:05] <mnemoc> but that will fail on iso creation [13:05] <mnemoc> ROCK wants every enabled package to produce a .gem, what is also a problem for 'extension' packages [13:09] <th> hmmmm [13:11] <th> target should be able to trigger a Download -package somehow [13:11] <th> hmmm [13:11] <th> i need no iso-creation! [13:11] kasc_ (kasc@dsl-213-023-190-217.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:11] <th> mnemoc: how would i remove the stages on target? [13:11] <SerWou> hello mnemoc and th [13:12] <th> mnemoc: ahh just with config.in [13:12] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAA7A4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:12] <th> mnemoc: letting sed make it a X ------- [13:16] <mnemoc> th: yes :) [13:16] tschmidt_ (~tschmidt@p508EA62D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:17] <th> / linux-24 / { s/^[XO] ........... /X ----------/p; d; }; [13:17] <th> one space missing [13:20] <mnemoc> the way target suppose to trigger package downloads is enabling them [13:20] <th> uhhh linux24 disappeared [13:20] <th> i did sth wrong [13:21] kasc (kasc@dsl-213-023-191-089.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:21] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [13:21] <th> aye - it's a dot to much [13:23] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-152-214.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:23] <th> mnemoc: damnit! the package is removed if it's all dashed... [13:24] <blindcod1r> did you also dash the priority? [13:24] <th> no [13:26] <blindcod1r> hmm [13:26] <blindcod1r> services dead? [13:26] <th> irc? [13:26] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8C74B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) got netsplit. [13:26] daja77 ([muZr7sJ4p@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) got netsplit. [13:26] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAA7A4.dip.t-dialin.net) got netsplit. [13:26] tschmidt_ (~tschmidt@p508EA62D.dip.t-dialin.net) got netsplit. [13:26] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) got netsplit. [13:26] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.57) got netsplit. [13:26] mistik1 (rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net) got netsplit. [13:26] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-152-214.arcor-ip.net) got netsplit. [13:26] rolla (maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) got netsplit. [13:26] dsoul (darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl) got netsplit. [13:26] jsaw (~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de) got netsplit. [13:26] <th> i try -?------- [13:27] <blindcod1r> th: yes [13:27] tschmidt_ (~tschmidt@p508EA62D.dip.t-dialin.net) returned to #rocklinux. [13:27] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [13:27] Possible future nick collision: blindcoder [13:28] jsaw (~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de) returned to #rocklinux. [13:28] rolla_ (maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:28] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) returned to #rocklinux. [13:28] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.57) returned to #rocklinux. [13:28] rolla (maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) returned to #rocklinux. [13:28] dsoul (darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl) returned to #rocklinux. [13:28] mistik1 (rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net) returned to #rocklinux. [13:28] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8C74B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) returned to #rocklinux. [13:28] daja77 ([muZr7sJ4p@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) returned to #rocklinux. [13:28] mistik1 (rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision) [13:28] mistik1 (rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:28] rolla (maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:28] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAA7A4.dip.t-dialin.net) returned to #rocklinux. [13:28] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.57) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:28] <th> blindcoder: lilo announced outage for "in 7 hours" at 0600h [13:28] <blindcoder> th: I see [13:29] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.57) joined #rocklinux. [13:30] Action: blindcoder trying another keepnick script [13:30] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-152-214.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Reconnecting" [13:30] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-152-214.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:30] <th> blindcoder: what the hell are you doing? [13:30] <blindcoder> th: testing another irssi script to reget my nick in case of disconnect [13:31] <blindcoder> so I don't have to do ghost && /nick && identify [13:31] <blindcoder> manually [13:31] <th> blindcoder: you should not do/need that on OPN [13:31] <th> ahhh [13:31] <th> i see [13:31] <blindcoder> why wouldn't I need it? [13:31] <th> ignore that [13:32] <blindcoder> okay :) [13:32] <th> you need it. i need it. i use it. [13:32] <th> thought about something else [13:32] <mnemoc> blindcoder: when you choose one, can you tell me it's URL? :) [13:33] <blindcoder> mnemoc: I have adapted keepnick.pl to do GHOST calls [13:33] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EB986.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:34] <blindcoder> for freenode I use: /keepnick -net freenode -nickserv NickServ services. password nickname [13:34] <blindcoder> mnemoc: want it? [13:34] <mnemoc> *bigyes* [13:34] <blindcoder> though it didn't work for netrunner for some strange reason [13:35] <blindcoder> dcc send in progress [13:35] Action: daja77 kicking freenode [13:36] Action: blindcoder helping daja77 [13:37] <mnemoc> thanks blindcoder [13:37] <blindcoder> mnemoc: please let me know if it works for you [13:49] <th> something changed how to put a "choice" in config.in in trunk? [13:49] <th> i use choice as usual in config.in [13:49] <th> but the choice is not visible [13:50] <th> am i to use menu_begin? [13:51] <th> or is there no "pkgcheck" in trunk? [13:52] <th> ahh it's something about "pkgcheck" [13:52] <blindcoder> pkgcheck ${pkg} X [13:52] <th> ok thanks [13:53] <mnemoc> https://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/politics/2004_ELECTIONRESULTS_GRAPHIC/index.html [13:53] <blindcoder> needs flash [13:53] <blindcoder> :( [13:54] <mnemoc> :( [13:55] <mnemoc> flash is a good plugin to install [13:56] <daja77> unfortunately we are not allowed to package it [13:56] <blindcoder> mnemoc: I can't install it at work [13:56] <blindcoder> nor do I want to install it at home [13:56] <netrunner> blindcoder: ah, I had to manually do sth to keep my nick? [13:57] <blindcoder> netrunner: well... ever heard of configuration? [13:58] <netrunner> hm. I entered my name and pass somewhere, but it never kept my nick. I expected it to work automatically. [13:58] <blindcoder> netrunner: first: put keepnick.pl to autoload at irssi start [13:59] <blindcoder> netrunner: second: /keepnick -net freenode -nickserv NickServ services. password nick [13:59] <blindcoder> netrunner: third: remember that keepnick deactivates when you use the /nick command [13:59] <blindcoder> that's about all [13:59] <blindcoder> oh, and of course register your nick with nickserv first :) [14:00] <netrunner> hm, did that twice already. now it is taken by sbd else. [14:00] <netrunner> as long as he does not kick me... [14:00] <blindcoder> registration expires if not used regularly [14:01] <netrunner> yes, that's what I wanted keepnick.pl to do :) [14:02] <blindcoder> netrunner: maybe you didn't make a symlink in ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/ ? [14:03] <blindcoder> so that the script wasn't automatically loaded when you started irssi? [14:03] <th> wow scripts/Config on a slow machine is a pain. it's worse in trunk [14:04] <blindcoder> th: ack that [14:07] Nick change: mnemoc -> help [14:08] <th> help: you missed "msg" and "serv" [14:08] <netrunner> blindcoder: I have no such directory. [14:08] <blindcoder> netrunner: that's the problem [14:08] <netrunner> hm. [14:08] help (~amery@200.75.27.57) left irc: "leaving" [14:08] <blindcoder> netrunner: the script is in ~/.irssi/scripts/keepnick.pl ? [14:09] <netrunner> yes. [14:09] <blindcoder> mkdir ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun ; cd ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun ; ln -s ../keepnick.pl [14:09] <blindcoder> that way it is automatically loaded when you start irssi [14:09] <blindcoder> note: this was the more friendly version of RTFM :) [14:10] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.57) joined #rocklinux. [14:13] <mnemoc> blindcoder: what [10:09:44] ωνω Keepnick: Couldn't determine chatnet (now ) [14:13] <mnemoc> means? [14:13] <netrunner> blindcoder: that's one command to much. ln -s ../keepnick.pl ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/ [14:16] <blindcoder> mnemoc: that's when keepnick can't detect which chatnet you're on [14:16] <blindcoder> mnemoc: mostly harmless [14:17] <blindcoder> mnemoc: do you have this line in ~/.irssi/config: [14:17] <blindcoder> { address = "irc.freenode.net"; chatnet = "freenode"; port = "6667"; }, [14:17] <blindcoder> or something similiar? [14:17] <blindcoder> netrunner: :P [14:19] <mnemoc> blindcoder: yes, i do [14:19] <blindcoder> mnemoc: then you can ignore it [14:19] <blindcoder> okay, I gotta go now [14:19] <blindcoder> bye [14:21] <netrunner> ciao blindy [15:39] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAA7A4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:51] <rolla_> re [15:51] Nick change: rolla_ -> rolla [15:52] <daja77> hi rolla [16:03] mistik1 (rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net) got netsplit. [16:03] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8C74B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) got netsplit. 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[18:02] <MtrxRldr> hi hier ist alex w aus dem internat [18:02] <daja77> O_o [18:03] <blindcoder> ehm [18:03] <daja77> damn i have no right to /kick [18:05] MtrxRldr (~admin@D4b72.d.pppool.de) left irc: Client Quit [18:06] <blindcoder> wee, LICQ 1.3.0 has a OSD plugin [18:06] <daja77> cool [18:06] Action: blindcoder currently testing it with an unsuspecting friend :D [18:14] <rolla> re [18:14] <blindcoder> licq 1.3.0 CLI needs CDK [18:14] <blindcoder> whatever that is [18:14] <blindcoder> I only knew CDE [18:16] treo (~xfman@D9173.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [18:16] <treo> re [18:55] nzg (~tschmidt@pD95F8D21.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [18:56] <mnemoc> rehi [19:06] <SerWou> hello the Chan [19:08] <th> mnemoc: your Download patch breaks -list-unknown [19:08] <mnemoc> probably [19:08] <mnemoc> i forgot about that option :\ [19:09] <th> mnemoc: do you have an idea how to fix that? [19:09] <mnemoc> doing it more smart [19:10] <th> good idea [19:10] <mnemoc> i'll try to do it this night [19:10] <mnemoc> but if you want to do it yourself much better :) [19:10] <th> no no - would be great if you do it. [19:11] <mnemoc> :) [19:25] <SMP> I really don't see how a single shared download/ can be managed [19:25] <SMP> cleaning up (-list-unknown | xargs rm) from within stable only removes symlinks [19:26] <SMP> cleaning up from within trunk removes lots of files that stable has symlinks pointing to [19:27] <th> SMP: how do you "clean up from within trunk"? [19:27] <SMP> and most of all, I don't see a need for a shared download/ at all. I keep separate trunk and stable download/ and use -alt-dir to get hardlinks - no problemo [19:28] <SMP> th: well, ideally -list-unknown | xargs rm [19:28] <th> SMP: so that would not delete files symlinks point to [19:28] <th> ahhhhhhh [19:28] <th> misunderstood that one [19:29] <th> (my thought was: tm only removes the link not the file the link points to) [19:29] <th> s,tm,rm, [19:29] <SMP> no, the other way round. [19:30] <th> yep got that now [19:30] <SMP> it can be made to work with hardlinks instead of symlinks, but then, what's the point sharing download/ at all? [19:30] <SMP> brb [19:31] <mnemoc> 2.0's -list-unknow | xargs rm removing symlinks and 2.1's only listing as unknown which are not symlinked? [19:31] <mnemoc> SMP: saving space [19:32] <mnemoc> saving bandwidth too [19:33] <mnemoc> hardlinks sometime get confused with binds [19:35] <mnemoc> if you'r download is mounted alt-dir simply doesn't work because they are always considered different filesystems [20:32] <SMP> saving space and bandwidth of course, yes. but keeping seperate dirs with hardlinks does that, too [20:33] <SMP> where it doesn't save space, is that it is almost impossible to automatically purge stale files from that dir, as I explained above [20:34] <SMP> even if the directory was not shared, in the case of the 2.0 scripts/Download it would keep the real files around indefinetely because only symlinks would be removed [20:39] <SMP> Subject: [Mono-list] Mono 1.0.4 and Mono 1.1.2 released. [20:39] <SMP> hmm [20:40] Action: SMP thinks it's time for mono=mono10 and mono=mono11 (or maybn mono=mono12) [20:40] <th> mnemoc: SMP: hey, please go on discussing that issue please [20:40] <th> :-] [20:40] <SMP> as well as gtk-sharp -> gtk-sharp1 plus a new gtk-sharp2 [22:01] <treo> gn8 [22:01] treo (~xfman@D9173.d.pppool.de) left irc: "cya@all" [22:27] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.25) joined #rocklinux. [22:34] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.57) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:34] Nick change: mnemoc_ -> mnemoc [23:10] <mnemoc> re [23:12] <mnemoc> SMP: hardlinks don't work if your download dir is mounted (neither mount --bind) [23:18] <netrunner> mnemoc: depends on how it is mounted :) [23:18] <mnemoc> teach me :) [23:18] <netrunner> I mount --bind it :) [23:19] <mnemoc> it is [23:19] <netrunner> and probably depends on the fs behind it. [23:19] <mnemoc> reiserfs [23:19] <netrunner> hm. [23:19] <mnemoc> ln sais it is a different filesystem and it can't hardlink [23:19] <SMP> mnemoc: that can be worked around by symlinking it. I use this [23:20] <mnemoc> download/ symlinked ? [23:20] <SMP> absolutely. [23:20] <mnemoc> what happend on chroot? [23:20] <mnemoc> happens* [23:21] <SMP> nothing? ;) [23:21] <netrunner> oh wow, once I use the uni proxy I suddenly have access to the acm :) [23:21] <mnemoc> when i tryed i got broken broken download dirs [23:22] <SMP> I think there was some change related to this several months ago [23:22] <SMP> but I've never had a problem with this [23:22] <mnemoc> a change you will port to 2.0? [23:23] <SMP> this works for me on 2.0 as well [23:23] <mnemoc> o_O [23:23] Action: SMP looking for the changeset [23:29] <SMP> hmm, ok, 2.0 Build-Pkg aborts if chroot and download is a symlink [23:32] <SMP> ok, so what to do? I do think sharing download this way is not helpful and hard to maintain [23:33] <SMP> and for those who do not share it makes life harder [23:33] <mnemoc> i was thinking in improving Download on both trees [23:34] <mnemoc> improve -list-unknown to performe as expected [23:34] <SMP> I really don't think the 2.0 scripts can bear much more hacking [23:34] <mnemoc> 2.0's hacking would be an ignore to download/mirror/ ... nothing else [23:35] <SMP> that buys you nothing. -list-unknown | xargs rm would only remove symlinks [23:35] <mnemoc> 2.1 can check if it's symlinked, and list as unknown if it's not [23:36] <mnemoc> that would do the job [23:37] <SMP> you mean for each unknown file check if there's a symlink pointing to that file? [23:37] <th> sounds expensive [23:38] <SMP> the only way this *might* be fixable would be to use hardlinks instead of symlinks; and have 2.0 ignore the 2.1 structure and vice versa [23:40] <mnemoc> with a find -type l -exec readlink \{\} \; i can do a list of symlinks once [23:40] <mnemoc> cut it and sort it [23:40] <mnemoc> then a single grep will tell me if it's shared or not [23:40] <SMP> this is too much code for a little problem [00:00] --- Thu Nov 4 2004