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[00:33] <daja77> O_o 5 errs in bootdisk [00:38] <daja77> ah interesting bootdisk uses packages taht are not inj generic and thuis not download ;) [00:54] lewellyn (~mjl@nat193.kefta.COM) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:00] <mnemoc> oh [02:04] Stormchaser (~w00t_w00t@BSN-77-102-212.dsl.siol.net) joined #rocklinux. [02:04] <Stormchaser> hi! [02:04] <Stormchaser> is there a release of rocklinux for AMD64? [02:05] <_Ragnar_> sure, build your own :) [02:05] <Stormchaser> how? [02:05] <mnemoc> Stormchaser: www.rocklinux.org [02:05] <mnemoc> ROCKLinux is a distribution build kit not a distribution [02:05] <Stormchaser> something like gentoo? [02:06] <mnemoc> no [02:06] <mnemoc> gentoo is built on target machine during 'install time' [02:06] <Stormchaser> hm [02:06] <mnemoc> rock crossbuilds and generates iso files and binary packages of what you built [02:07] Action: Stormchaser checks [02:07] <Stormchaser> sounds VERY interesting :) [02:08] <mnemoc> it is :) [02:08] <_Ragnar_> yes :) [02:08] <Stormchaser> lol [02:09] <Stormchaser> um... What do I need to pull down? skeleton? [02:10] <_Ragnar_> https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20down.html [02:11] <_Ragnar_> you already have a host system where you can build on? [02:12] <mnemoc> Stormchaser: check it out from subversion [02:13] <Stormchaser> um [02:14] <Stormchaser> this is more like LFS? [02:14] <mnemoc> no [02:14] <mnemoc> gentoo is like LFS [02:14] <Stormchaser> I'm still trying to figure this out ;) [02:14] <mnemoc> =) [02:16] <Stormchaser> I have a semi-LFS system to build things, yeah... [02:16] <Stormchaser> But it's too much clutered :/ [02:17] <mnemoc> rock does all the job for you [02:17] <mnemoc> (except the configuration on the installed machine) [02:17] <Stormchaser> configuration is simple :) [02:18] <mnemoc> then rock is simple :) [02:18] <mnemoc> and light [02:18] <_Ragnar_> unless you do reference builds ;) [02:18] <Stormchaser> Argh! [02:19] <Stormchaser> stop confiusing me :) [02:19] <_Ragnar_> ^_^ sorry [02:19] <Stormchaser> lol [02:19] <mnemoc> reference is a 'target' (distribution declaration) which builds almost everything, to help us to test [02:19] <Stormchaser> It has a whole different concept than other linuxes [02:20] <mnemoc> you don't want to build that [02:20] <Stormchaser> mnemoc: multiplatform? [02:20] <mnemoc> Stormchaser: yes [02:20] <mnemoc> Rock cross-builds your target [02:20] <Stormchaser> oh, that's nice [02:21] <mnemoc> and it generate binary packages (like .rpm) which you can install or use to update any machine :) [02:22] <Stormchaser> so um... It something like a build tool? [02:22] <mnemoc> you can build in some hours a highly optimized linux for that old 486 on your sparc64 :D [02:22] <mnemoc> build kit is the word we use [02:23] <Stormchaser> interesting [02:23] <Stormchaser> Very original concept ^.^ [02:23] <mnemoc> it is a set of tools, and a text/file based database, something like a framework [02:23] <mnemoc> Stormchaser: rock is here since 1999 iirc [02:24] <Stormchaser> I remember testing it once on vmware [02:24] <Stormchaser> I got a boot disk from somewhere... [02:24] <mnemoc> you might be tested a product of ROCKLinux, not ROCKLinux itself [02:25] <mnemoc> the focus on the development is absolutly different [02:25] <Stormchaser> so someone just made an ISO out of packages? [02:27] <Stormchaser> um... Is the svn slow or is it just my connection? [02:29] <_Ragnar_> mnemoc: any idea about this: [02:29] <_Ragnar_> ====[main_lx:1 (last $?=0)> make ARCH=i386 CROSS_COMPILE= KCC=kcc-34 -j 1 clean [02:29] <_Ragnar_> xargs: environment is too large for exec [02:29] <_Ragnar_> == 11/12/04 17:43:08 =[5]=> Aborted building package linux26. [02:34] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) joined #rocklinux. [02:36] <_Ragnar_> hmmm okay unset TERMCAP did the job ... but it's pretty weird [02:36] <demian> hi [02:36] <_Ragnar_> hi demian [02:36] <demian> Ragasaur. [02:37] Action: _Ragnar_ wags tail [02:44] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.23) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:46] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.60) joined #rocklinux. [02:54] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) left irc: "leaving" [02:57] <Stormchaser> uhm [02:57] <mnemoc> :\ [02:57] <Stormchaser> how do you choose not to download kernel 2.4 and rather just 2.6 [02:57] <Stormchaser> ? [02:58] <_Ragnar_> there's a config option to use 2.4 or 2.6 [02:58] <mnemoc> set a Config with your desires [02:58] <mnemoc> and ./scripts/Download -required [02:58] <Stormchaser> I know [02:58] <Stormchaser> hm [02:59] <mnemoc> an option? [02:59] <Stormchaser> but in Cofig there is no option to choose the kernel version [03:00] <mnemoc> i remember an option to enable module-init-tools [03:00] <_Ragnar_> huh? [03:00] <mnemoc> Stormchaser: expert -> custom package selection [03:00] <Stormchaser> ah :) [03:01] <mnemoc> uhm... linux's config.in has changed more than a bit on trunk [03:01] <_Ragnar_> ;) [03:03] <mnemoc> _Ragnar_: :\ [03:03] <Stormchaser> what is the differencd between trunk and stable? [03:04] <mnemoc> trunk is pointing to rock-3.x... many many many new features are getting in [03:04] <_Ragnar_> trunk is the bleeding edge, but might contain bugs which prevent it from building cleanly [03:05] <Stormchaser> o.O [03:05] <Stormchaser> even the GCC 3.4 and KDE 3.3 and X.org? [03:05] <mnemoc> those are on trunk [03:06] <mnemoc> gnome28 too [03:06] <Stormchaser> I'm getting trunk instead :) [03:06] <Stormchaser> I was KDE devel some time back [03:06] <Stormchaser> so... :) [03:06] <mnemoc> Stormchaser: Crystal target is building flawless on trunk [03:07] <mnemoc> it may have everything you want [03:07] <Stormchaser> trunk is only avaliable trough SVN? [03:07] <mnemoc> yes [03:07] Action: Stormchaser needs to recompile svn for making this thing work [03:07] <Stormchaser> I have version 0.27 :/ [03:07] <mnemoc> :p [03:08] <mnemoc> don't forget neon to have http{,s} [03:08] <Stormchaser> when I try to synch, it only collects architectures/arm and then stops ^.^ [03:09] <mnemoc> btw, iirc qt segfaults with gcc34 on sparc64 if that is your case [03:09] <mnemoc> :\ [03:09] <Stormchaser> nah... AMD64 is my case :) [03:10] Action: Stormchaser needs food [03:12] Action: _Ragnar_ wants and AMD64, preferably SMP [03:12] <_Ragnar_> an* [03:15] <Stormchaser> SMP? Opteron :) [03:15] <Stormchaser> I hace athlon 64 [03:16] <Stormchaser> er [03:16] <Stormchaser> have [03:17] <_Ragnar_> it's athlon, it's 64 bit ... call it what you like :) [03:17] <_Ragnar_> uhm AMD [03:17] <mnemoc> =) [03:17] <Stormchaser> lol [03:21] <Stormchaser> not sure, if there are SMP motherboards for athlon 64 [03:22] <mnemoc> yes, there are [03:22] <Stormchaser> for athlon 64? [03:23] <mnemoc> yes [03:23] <Stormchaser> never heard of that [03:23] <Stormchaser> who is the manufacturer? [03:23] <mnemoc> no idea, i just saw the machine and got impressed :) [03:24] <Stormchaser> kewl :) [03:24] <Stormchaser> I'll google around a bit :) [03:27] <mnemoc> but i'm happy with a dual Xeon/HT [03:27] <Stormchaser> xeon is pretty good :) [03:28] <Stormchaser> there we go... Now it's downloading like insane :) [03:28] <Stormchaser> why chose svn instead of cvs? [03:28] <mnemoc> cvs stinks :) [03:29] <Stormchaser> nah [03:29] <Stormchaser> it's not that bad :) [03:29] <mnemoc> no renames, no changesets [03:29] <mnemoc> that's enough to drop it [03:29] <Stormchaser> lol! [03:29] <Stormchaser> The ONLY thing I missed in cvs is renaming [03:29] <mnemoc> changesets are vital to be able to revert changes [03:30] <Stormchaser> changesets? You mean like diffs? [03:30] <mnemoc> a bunch of changes to different files [03:31] <Stormchaser> ah [03:31] <mnemoc> if you add a package here you will add a dir and two files [03:31] <mnemoc> that's a changeset [03:32] <mnemoc> you revert it or merge it as a whole, not a three different (and untrackable) commits [03:32] <Stormchaser> heh [03:32] <Stormchaser> never missed that at CVS [03:32] <Stormchaser> :) [03:32] <Stormchaser> er [03:32] <mnemoc> a commit to update .cache files involves 1200 files.... 1200 commits? :) [03:32] <Stormchaser> nevver worried [03:33] <mnemoc> 1200 merges to branches? [03:33] <mnemoc> that can hurt [03:33] <Stormchaser> actually you can add a cvs add <dirname> and in that dir cvs add * [03:33] <Stormchaser> :) [03:34] <Stormchaser> in KDE are > than 1200 :) [03:34] <mnemoc> but that will internally do one commit per file [03:34] <Stormchaser> usually [03:34] <Stormchaser> yes [03:34] <mnemoc> you still have merge and revert problem [03:35] <Stormchaser> what happends in svn, if 2 people sumit different things in same version? [03:35] <mnemoc> the whole repo has the version, not the file [03:36] <mnemoc> the first commit will pass the second will fail because it's outdated [03:36] <Stormchaser> hm [03:36] <Stormchaser> same with CVS [03:37] <Stormchaser> whew! LOTS of files [03:39] <Stormchaser> hm [03:39] <Stormchaser> can rock be stuffed on an ARM-powered CPU? Like PocketPC or something? [03:40] <mnemoc> rock is bash [03:40] <mnemoc> and curl [03:40] <mnemoc> it runs on any posix arch were you can have those [03:40] <Stormchaser> kewl [03:41] <mnemoc> no fat makefiles like on Gentoo :p [03:41] <Stormchaser> I should be looking @ uclinux for that, no? :) [03:41] <_Ragnar_> yeah [03:42] <mnemoc> we have uclibc, but i nt sure if it works :p [03:42] <_Ragnar_> https://www.cdatas.com/ <-- those look neat;) [03:45] <mnemoc> i prefer x86 :) and elks i a great way to have linux on ia16 [03:45] <Stormchaser> I should begin to hate myself :) [03:46] <Stormchaser> I just d/l ed svn of rock, and -- erased it :/ [03:46] <mnemoc> :D [03:46] <Stormchaser> I rule, don't I? [03:46] <_Ragnar_> ;) [03:46] <Stormchaser> lol [03:46] <mnemoc> apropos rm -rf [03:46] <mnemoc> on rock you should never do that, why use mount --bind a lot [03:46] <mnemoc> use ./scripts/Cleanup instead [03:47] <_Ragnar_> do you know any x86 based embedded 32 bit boards? [03:47] <_Ragnar_> in a similar form factor? [03:47] <Stormchaser> x86? [03:48] <_Ragnar_> procs with intels architecture [03:48] <mnemoc> i have seen some educational 8086 embedded boards, but i don't know where they got them [03:49] <Stormchaser> https://www.mouser.com/products/?pcode=ST%2032-Bit%20Microcontrollers&pcodeNumber=51157 [03:49] <_Ragnar_> we already have 8086, but that's not really a horse to bet on in the future [03:49] <mnemoc> you want embedded ia32? [03:51] <_Ragnar_> yeah [03:51] <mnemoc> that would be nice [03:51] <Stormchaser> https://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=displayproduct&lstdispproductid=426777&e_categoryid=250&e_pcodeid=51157 <-- $28560?!? [03:51] <mnemoc> what are you doing on embeddeds? [03:52] <mnemoc> *click* [03:52] <_Ragnar_> www.texmate.com <- [03:53] <_Ragnar_> that's 28.56$ [03:54] <mnemoc> you get short with an 8086 for monitors? [03:55] <_Ragnar_> ? [03:55] <_Ragnar_> our stuff does a lot more then just monitor [03:55] <mnemoc> sorry :( [03:56] <_Ragnar_> null problemo :) [03:56] <_Ragnar_> brb, heading home [04:01] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-095-144.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [04:01] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-095-219.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:01] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [04:10] <Stormchaser> how do I use package selection rules? [04:10] <mnemoc> X foo [04:10] <mnemoc> that enables foo [04:10] <mnemoc> - foo [04:10] <mnemoc> removes it from the list [04:10] <mnemoc> and O foo disables it [04:11] <mnemoc> a disabled package can be enabled later [04:11] <Stormchaser> I know, but problem is, that I need to make new selection rule, and whatever I write is error :/ [04:11] <mnemoc> pacakge selection works filtering config/$config/packages [04:11] <mnemoc> what you wrote? [04:11] <Stormchaser> um... KDE [04:12] <Stormchaser> or xfree [04:12] <mnemoc> select crystal as target and no pkgsel :p [04:12] <Stormchaser> ouch [04:12] <mnemoc> KDE and xfree are not packages [04:12] <mnemoc> are not rules neither [04:13] <Stormchaser> what are rules? [04:13] <mnemoc> X kde [04:13] <Stormchaser> dammit :/ [04:13] <Stormchaser> ok... I selected minimalistic + xfree [04:14] <mnemoc> this is your first time on rock, try the easy path until you learn how it works :) (humble suggestion) [04:14] <mnemoc> what stages work, etc... [04:14] <mnemoc> how* [04:14] <Stormchaser> heh [04:15] <Stormchaser> never goes that easy with me :) [04:15] <mnemoc> :p [04:15] <mnemoc> me neither :p [04:16] <mnemoc> btw, i'm not sure if that template works [04:16] <Stormchaser> that's why I spent muuuuuuuuuuuch too much time behind this computer... [04:16] <Stormchaser> what template? [04:16] <mnemoc> minimalistic + xfree [04:16] <Stormchaser> er [04:16] <Stormchaser> why not? [04:17] <mnemoc> because it's old [04:17] <Stormchaser> darn' [04:17] <mnemoc> it says xfree and trunk has xorg :p [04:17] <mnemoc> it _shall_ be old [04:17] <Stormchaser> um [04:17] <Stormchaser> so it's just a name problem? [04:18] <mnemoc> no, name reflects it's age and unmaintainability [04:18] <Stormchaser> heh [04:19] <mnemoc> there are two groups here, the first write their own targets, and the second use desktop or crystal [04:20] <Stormchaser> dammit... It started to download 2.4 kernel AGAIN :/ [04:20] <mnemoc> Download -required [04:20] <Stormchaser> yes [04:20] Action: Stormchaser checks [04:21] <mnemoc> check config/default/packages [04:21] <mnemoc> lines started by X are built [04:21] <mnemoc> and downloaded [04:22] <Stormchaser> X -----5---- 101.500 base linux=linux26 0000 / base/kernel DIETLIBC KERNEL CORE 0 [04:22] <Stormchaser> X 01-------- 101.500 base linux=linux26-header 0000 / base/kernel DIETLIBC KERNEL CORE 0 [04:22] <Stormchaser> X -----5---- 101.500 base linux=linux26-source 0000 / base/kernel DIETLIBC KERNEL CORE 0 [04:23] <Stormchaser> what gives? [04:25] <mnemoc> no linux=linux24? [04:25] <Stormchaser> no [04:26] <mnemoc> weird [04:26] <Stormchaser> yep [04:26] <Stormchaser> which is the most configurable option? [04:27] <mnemoc> uhm? [04:27] <Stormchaser> for target distribution [04:27] <Stormchaser> where you can select packages [04:29] <Stormchaser> er [04:30] <Stormchaser> If I build KDE, what is the path? /opt? [04:30] <mnemoc> yes [04:30] <mnemoc> opt/kde.. [04:30] <Stormchaser> yay!!! :) [04:31] <Stormchaser> finnaly one of rare um... dostros who put them in /opt [04:31] <Stormchaser> *distros [04:31] <mnemoc> :D [04:31] <mnemoc> we dnt' build distros, you are building one :) [04:32] <mnemoc> target does package selection on config.in [04:32] <Stormchaser> ARGH!!! :) [04:32] <Stormchaser> I can't find option to select packages :/ [04:32] <mnemoc> doing things over packages file [04:33] <mnemoc> pkgsel is used for customizing a target [04:33] <mnemoc> target filters packages file inside config.in [04:33] <Stormchaser> ah... ok :) [04:35] <Stormchaser> where is pkgsel? [04:35] <mnemoc> Config -> expert -> custom package selection -> edit [04:36] <mnemoc> X kde is a pkgsel rule [04:36] <Stormchaser> does it grabs the necessary deps, too? [04:37] <mnemoc> deps are your problem :) [04:37] <Stormchaser> dammit :) [04:37] <mnemoc> .cache files have a list of autodetected dependencies [04:37] netrunne2 (~andreas@pD9E8C520.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [04:38] <mnemoc> but package selection is your responsability as target maintainer [04:38] <Stormchaser> Just found it... [04:38] <Stormchaser> lol [04:39] <Stormchaser> x in fron of the package name means, weither is it selected or not :/ [04:39] <Stormchaser> weird [04:39] <mnemoc> btw, if you found a package which can be built without something adding some option you shall improve .conf to add that option if that dependency is not found [04:40] <mnemoc> Stormchaser: X: enable -: remove O: disable [04:40] <mnemoc> you can also use *s [04:40] <Stormchaser> *'s? [04:40] <Stormchaser> what do those do? [04:40] <mnemoc> wildcats [04:41] <Stormchaser> is there a package gtk2? [04:42] <mnemoc> gtk+2# echo package/*/gtk+* [04:42] <mnemoc> package/gnome14/gtk+12 package/gnome14/gtk+extra10 package/gnome2/gtk+ [04:42] <mnemoc> # grep '^\[V\]' package/*/gtk+/*.desc [04:42] <mnemoc> [V] 2.4.7 [04:43] <Stormchaser> heh [04:44] <mnemoc> you said you like the rough way :p [04:44] <Stormchaser> I didn't meant that rough... At least not at 4:44 am :) [04:44] <mnemoc> hehe [04:46] <Stormchaser> quake2?!? [04:47] <mnemoc> # grep '^\[T\]' package/*/quake*/*.desc [04:47] <mnemoc> [T] The Shooter ... [04:47] <mnemoc> [T] Orginal Quake2 CD required [04:47] <mnemoc> [T] Copy CD's baseq2 to /usr/local/games/quake2/ or ~/.quake2/baseq2 [04:47] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8D2C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:48] <Stormchaser> darn [04:48] <Stormchaser> any other neat games? [04:49] <mnemoc> grep -l extra/game package/*/*/*.desc | cut -d'/' -f 3 | wc -l [04:50] <mnemoc> 71 [04:50] Action: Stormchaser DIGS!!! :) [04:51] <mnemoc> rock is fun, isn't it? :) [04:51] <Stormchaser> gentoo, HIDE!!! :) [04:51] <mnemoc> gentoo is pimp :p [04:51] <Stormchaser> lol [04:53] <Stormchaser> wuftpd??? [04:53] <Stormchaser> I thought that was outated looong ago [04:53] <mnemoc> # echo package/*/wu* [04:53] <mnemoc> package/base/wu-ftpd [04:53] <Stormchaser> yep [04:55] <mnemoc> i use twoftpd =) [04:55] <Stormchaser> I use vsftpd [04:56] <mnemoc> there are persons how likes wuftpd :) [04:56] <Stormchaser> I used to like it [04:56] <Stormchaser> very simple to configure, but sadly very buggy and unsecure [04:56] <mnemoc> people use bind :) [04:57] <mnemoc> and they use it a lot [04:57] <Stormchaser> I know [04:57] <Stormchaser> who is clifford? [04:59] <mnemoc> rock's owner [04:59] <Stormchaser> oh [04:59] <mnemoc> www.clifford.at [05:02] <Stormchaser> kewl [05:02] <Stormchaser> a computer superfreak :) [05:02] <mnemoc> yeah [05:03] <Stormchaser> um [05:03] <mnemoc> www.clifford.at/bfcpu/bfcpu.html <--- look [05:03] <Stormchaser> once you installed everything; can you install / remove too? [05:03] <mnemoc> sure [05:03] <mnemoc> this is not LFS [05:03] <mnemoc> mine -r foo [05:04] <mnemoc> mine -i foo.gem [05:04] <Stormchaser> kewl [05:04] <mnemoc> mine and Emerge-Pkg also protect /etc [05:06] <mnemoc> i'll go to rest some hours... have fun :D [05:06] <Stormchaser> I should get some sleep, too [05:07] <Stormchaser> nite! [05:07] <mnemoc> gn8 [05:09] <Stormchaser> just [05:09] <Stormchaser> one [05:09] <Stormchaser> more [05:09] <Stormchaser> thing [05:09] <Stormchaser> um [05:10] <Stormchaser> how do you select x.org rather than xfree? [05:12] <mnemoc> mom [05:12] <mnemoc> X xorg [05:13] <mnemoc> but that will only enable xorg package [05:13] <mnemoc> you also can [05:13] <mnemoc> X x11 [05:13] <mnemoc> - xfree86* [05:13] <Stormchaser> aha [05:13] <Stormchaser> ah [05:13] <Stormchaser> ok [05:13] <Stormchaser> cool :) [05:13] <mnemoc> enable the whole repo and remove xfree* [05:14] <Stormchaser> nope... [05:14] <Stormchaser> um [05:14] <mnemoc> nope what? [05:15] <Stormchaser> the - xfree86 removes x.org configuration o.O [05:15] <mnemoc> oh [05:15] <mnemoc> X x11 and check Confg [05:16] <mnemoc> i live in 2.0-stable.... i'm not aware of everything that happens on trunk [05:16] <Stormchaser> oh :( [05:16] <Stormchaser> um [05:16] <Stormchaser> there is no grub here? [05:16] <mnemoc> of course there is [05:17] <mnemoc> on x86 repo [05:18] <Stormchaser> the -lilo x grub just removes lilo :/ [05:19] <mnemoc> X [05:44] <Stormchaser> n8 [05:44] Stormchaser (~w00t_w00t@BSN-77-102-212.dsl.siol.net) left irc: "*poof*" [09:18] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAA80D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [10:08] treo (~xfman@D97e8.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [10:08] <treo> sali [10:52] <tcr> Does anyone happen to know how I can mark the end of a page with LyX resp. LaTeX? [10:53] <netrunne2> *rofl* (de) https://www.pcwelt.de/news/software/104785/index1.html [10:53] <netrunne2> tcr: there's sth like flushpage [10:54] <netrunne2> hey, why 2? [10:54] Nick change: netrunne2 -> netrunner [10:54] <tcr> My firefox renders that page crappy [10:54] <netrunner> mine works fine (1.0). but the text makes only 30% of the window width :) [10:55] <tcr> is ff 1.0 in rock stable? [10:55] <netrunner> stable trunk yes. just read the commit msg [10:55] <tcr> Is there some source tarball? [10:56] <netrunner> [D] 3021424548 firefox-1.0-source.tar.bz2 https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0/source/ [10:56] <netrunner> or do you mean for stable trunk? [10:56] <tcr> .conf didn't change? [10:57] <netrunner> tcr: yes it did. remove --enable-typeaheadfind or so. [11:00] <tcr> Btw. the LaTeX command is \newpage. (Incidentally I found out that the info page of latex contains a nice command reference. I couldn't find one on the web.) [11:00] <tcr> I'm downloading 1.0 right now. [11:02] <tcr> netrunner, Is there some page for that article specially formatted for printing? [11:03] <netrunner> https://www.pcwelt.de/defaults/drucken.cfm?pid=34&pk=104785 [11:03] <netrunner> but opens your printer window :) [11:05] <tcr> Heh, nice one. [11:20] <dsoul> is this normal that mono didnt build in 2.0.3? [11:34] holyolli (~holyolli@217.14.170.144) joined #rocklinux. [11:34] <holyolli> hi! [12:10] <daja77> hi holyolli [12:10] <holyolli> hi daja77 :) [12:16] Action: netrunner giving up with the server build. [12:31] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAA80D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:07] Stormchaser (~w00t_w00t@BSN-77-102-212.dsl.siol.net) joined #rocklinux. [15:07] <Stormchaser> hi [15:07] <Stormchaser> Um... Need help [15:09] <Stormchaser> Some package broke, and I don't know, where is the error file [15:09] <daja77> build/$id/var/adm/logs [15:09] <Stormchaser> ah, thanks :) [15:12] <Stormchaser> bin-x86_64/dietlibc.a: could not read symbols: Archive has no index; run ranlib to add one [15:12] <Stormchaser> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [15:12] <Stormchaser> hm [15:12] <Stormchaser> do I need dietlibc? [15:12] <mnemoc> only if you are building a bootdisk [15:13] <daja77> bootdisk is broken here too [15:13] <Stormchaser> Damn :/ [15:14] <mnemoc> if you install injecting packages into the harddrive you don't need bootdisk [15:14] <mnemoc> if you want to install from network or cd you need it [15:14] <Stormchaser> at this moment; I don't need it, then [15:16] <Stormchaser> hm... How do I restart the compilation, if I removed a package? [15:17] <mnemoc> Config -oldconfig [15:17] <mnemoc> Build-Target [15:17] <Stormchaser> ah :) [15:17] <Stormchaser> thanks :) [15:18] <mnemoc> you are welcome [15:18] <Stormchaser> weird... [15:18] <Stormchaser> It still breaks [15:19] <mnemoc> how did you removed it? [15:19] <mnemoc> what got broken? dietlibc or something due to dietlibc? [15:19] <Stormchaser> just -dietglibc in the Config [15:20] <mnemoc> - dietlibc [15:20] <mnemoc> withour the g [15:21] <Stormchaser> oops... sorry... I ment libc [15:21] <Stormchaser> it looks like dietlibc itself is broken, removed it, and just won't go on :( [15:21] <mnemoc> after Config -oldconfig check your config/$foo/packages with grep [15:23] <mnemoc> if you want to start again do ./scripts/Cleanup -full build/$foo-blah [15:23] <Stormchaser> hm [15:23] <Stormchaser> that might be an option [15:26] <Stormchaser> what is cyclades? [15:30] <mnemoc> uhm? [15:31] <mnemoc> what is cyclades? [15:32] Freak (~freak@krl9-d9bb41b7.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #rocklinux. [15:36] Stormchaser (~w00t_w00t@BSN-77-102-212.dsl.siol.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:39] <blindcoder> moin [15:40] <mnemoc> moin blindcoder [15:42] Action: blindcoder back to Berlin :) [15:42] <mnemoc> for living? [15:43] <blindcoder> been to Munich for a SUN Training last week [15:43] <mnemoc> aha [15:44] <blindcoder> ok, washing machine is running, things are at their place... guess I'll take a bath now ^^ [15:45] <blindcoder> bye [15:47] konni_ (~konni@pD9E504C5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [15:51] konni (~konni@pD9E5066A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:54] Stormchaser (~w00t_w00t@BSN-77-102-212.dsl.siol.net) joined #rocklinux. [17:01] <Stormchaser> Hm... [17:01] <Stormchaser> I have a trouble compilinig linux-utils :( [17:02] <mnemoc> o_O [17:02] <Stormchaser> there looks like a bug in cyclades.h [17:02] <mnemoc> amd64? [17:02] <Stormchaser> yep [17:03] <Stormchaser> can I paste error here? [17:03] <mnemoc> query it to me [17:03] <Stormchaser> ok [17:14] <blindcoder> back [17:14] <mnemoc> blindcoder: https://storm.homeunix.org:8080/misc/1-util-linux.err [17:34] <blindcoder> mnemoc: which revision? [17:35] <Stormchaser> that is for me [17:35] <Stormchaser> trunk... yesterdays [17:35] <blindcoder> hmm [17:35] <Stormchaser> I found it, tho [17:35] <blindcoder> I have no experience with 64bit arches [17:36] <Stormchaser> The util-linux/sysutils/cytune.c isn't patched... [17:36] <Stormchaser> needs this: [17:36] <Stormchaser> diff -ur util-linux-2.12b/sys-utils/cytune.c util-linux-2.12b-adj/sys-utils/cytune.c [17:36] <Stormchaser> --- util-linux-2.12b/sys-utils/cytune.c 2002-03-09 00:04:30.000000000 +0100 [17:36] <Stormchaser> +++ util-linux-2.12b-adj/sys-utils/cytune.c 2004-10-25 19:44:27.892943264 +0200 [17:36] <Stormchaser> @@ -58,6 +58,7 @@ [17:36] <Stormchaser> #include <linux/tqueue.h> /* required for old kernels (for struct tq_struct) */ [17:36] <Stormchaser> /* compilation errors on other kernels */ [17:36] <blindcoder> Stormchaser: but you might want to check https://marc.free.net.ph/message/20041026.063036.d8f187a8.html [17:36] <Stormchaser> #endif [17:36] <Stormchaser> +#include <linux/compiler.h> [17:36] <Stormchaser> #include <linux/cyclades.h> [17:37] <Stormchaser> [17:37] <Stormchaser> #if 0 [17:37] <Stormchaser> I know [17:37] <Stormchaser> I just patched it... [17:37] <blindcoder> so, create a diff and submit it to SubMaster for inclusion :-) [17:37] <Stormchaser> oki :) [17:38] Action: blindcoder continues eating his wahos :) [17:40] <daja77> wahos? [17:40] <blindcoder> waffles :) I just deflorated the waffle-iron I bought yesterday :) [17:40] <Stormchaser> lol [17:47] <Stormchaser> er [17:47] <Stormchaser> SubMaster via email? [17:48] <th> no. via webinterface [18:08] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [18:08] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) joined #rocklinux. [18:16] Stormchaser (~w00t_w00t@BSN-77-102-212.dsl.siol.net) left irc: "*poof*" [18:17] Aard (bwachter@lart.info) joined #rocklinux. [18:17] <Aard> moin [18:18] <blindcoder> moin Aard [18:26] <Aard> I stumbled over problems rene had with 2.6.9-pre-kernels on sun -- symbios scsi driver, permanently printing stuff like `sym0:0:0:phase change 6-7 11@c3ff5390 resid=6.'. got it with 2.6.9 and 2.6.10-rc1. anyone knows more about this one? [18:28] <blindcoder> no linux on sun here, sorry [18:28] <Aard> yeah, rene is not here either... [18:29] <blindcoder> I doubt you'll find hem _here_ anytime soon [18:30] <Aard> :) [18:33] Stormchaser (~w00t_w00t@BSN-77-102-212.dsl.siol.net) joined #rocklinux. [18:33] <blindcoder> Stormchaser: meep [18:33] <blindcoder> Stormchaser: please try here: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi [18:33] <Stormchaser> lol [18:33] <Stormchaser> I sent the patch the wrong way, didn't I? :) [18:34] <blindcoder> yes :( [18:34] <Stormchaser> sorry [18:36] <Stormchaser> hm [18:36] <Stormchaser> What is sm patch? diff isn't goof? [18:36] <blindcoder> sm is a CLI frontend to submaster [18:37] <blindcoder> to create useful diffs use ./scripts/Create-Diff [18:37] <blindcoder> and change the first line in the output to a short description of the patch [18:37] <blindcoder> personally, I use a small shell script which uploads patches to SubMaster via curl [18:37] <blindcoder> never used the sm CLI [18:38] <Stormchaser> why diff isn't good? [18:38] <blindcoder> Create-Diff actually does a diff against another tree [18:39] <blindcoder> and does some magic on the output file so that a unified diff which can be applied to the rock-linux tree with -p1 [18:39] <blindcoder> that's basically all the patch has to be able to [18:39] <blindcoder> so if you want to do it the hard way, use diff manually [18:39] <blindcoder> if you want to make your life easy, use Create-Diff ;) [18:39] <Stormchaser> heh... I did used diff :) [18:40] <blindcoder> Stormchaser: actually, what you want to do is this: [18:40] <blindcoder> the file you sent to the mailing list [18:41] <blindcoder> put it into package/base/util-linux/ with a filename ending in .patch [18:41] <blindcoder> then you make a diff against a vanilla rock tree like this: [18:41] <blindcoder> ./scripts/Create-Diff /usr/src/rock-orig /usr/src/rock-mine package/base/util-linux [18:42] <blindcoder> ./scripts/Create-Diff /usr/src/rock-orig /usr/src/rock-mine package/base/util-linux >20041113_util_linux.patch [18:42] <blindcoder> and then upload 20041113_util_linux.patch to the SubMaster webfrontend [18:42] <Stormchaser> ah... ok [18:42] <blindcoder> sounds horribly complicated [18:42] <blindcoder> but is really easy [18:42] <Stormchaser> nope [18:42] <blindcoder> if you want I can give you the shell-script I use [18:42] <Stormchaser> nah [18:42] <blindcoder> well, shell-function actually ): [18:42] <blindcoder> :) [18:55] <Stormchaser> hey... What gives? [18:56] <Stormchaser> ./scripts/Create-Diff src.util-linux.1100350368.13437.2897569264/ src.util-linux.1100361300.7284.925649683/ <-- gives me a buch of errors :/ [18:56] <blindcoder> as to be expected [18:56] <Stormchaser> what is wrong? [18:56] <blindcoder> Create-Diff is used to create a diff between two ROCK trees [18:56] <Stormchaser> o.O [18:56] <blindcoder> not two temporary build-environments [18:57] <blindcoder> the src.* directories/symlinks are just temporary build-environments that are chrooted into to build a given package [18:58] <Stormchaser> I should re-download everything? [18:58] <blindcoder> uhm, no. why? [18:58] <blindcoder> or rather... [18:58] <blindcoder> well, yes [18:58] Action: Stormchaser sobs [18:59] <blindcoder> but only the subversion checkout [18:59] <blindcoder> you can also just copy the relevant directories to a second ROCK tree [18:59] <blindcoder> usually I do something like this: [18:59] <blindcoder> svn co svn://www.rocklinux.net/rock-linux/trunk rock-2.1-clifford [18:59] <blindcoder> cp -r rock-2.1-clifford rock-2.1-bc [19:00] <blindcoder> when I need a fresh environment [19:00] <Stormchaser> hmhmhmhm [19:01] <Stormchaser> em [19:02] <Stormchaser> once, whenthe build is finished; how do I make it boot? [19:02] <blindcoder> boot? or install on another machine? [19:02] <Stormchaser> boot [19:03] <blindcoder> well, copy it to a fresh partition/harddisk, mount devfs and proc, chroot into it and start stone [19:03] <blindcoder> and setup your system like you usually would [19:04] <Stormchaser> hm [19:06] <Stormchaser> something tells me, that this will not be as easy as it sounds [19:06] <blindcoder> well, it's quite easy on 32bit systems [19:55] Freak (~freak@krl9-d9bb41b7.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:56] Freak (~freak@krl9-d9bb4011.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:22] Nick change: SMP_ -> SMP [21:09] ringo (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) joined #rocklinux. [22:00] <netrunner> any native english (or expert) here? [22:00] <blindcoder> define expert [22:00] <netrunner> as in 'knows the word I am looking for' [22:01] <blindcoder> what _are_ you looking for? [22:01] <netrunner> oh :) [22:02] <netrunner> given a scheme that describes certain aspects of a thing. now you take several instances of this thing and describe them following the structure of the scheme. how is that called. [22:02] <blindcoder> you know... [22:02] <blindcoder> I have _absolutely_ no idea what you're talking about. [22:03] <blindcoder> I'd call it policy [22:03] <blindcoder> I think... [22:03] <netrunner> I am looking for a verb. [22:03] <blindcoder> I don't think there is one [22:04] <netrunner> I don't even know how I would say it in german. there must be a word. [22:04] <netrunner> I should invent a new. [22:04] <blindcoder> heh [22:05] <netrunner> it's not really classification. but somewhere in that direction. [22:18] <Stormchaser> netrunner: construct? [22:19] <netrunner> hm, no, I describe things that already exist. [22:20] <netrunner> the important aspect is that I created this scheme, and now like squeezed all the other things into this scheme and described them accordingly. [22:30] ringo (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:09] <treo> gn8 [23:12] treo (~xfman@D97e8.d.pppool.de) left irc: "cya@all" [00:00] --- Sun Nov 14 2004