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[00:05] <mnemoc> what the c++ way to convert and int to string ? [00:20] <fake> itoa() ? ;-) [00:20] <mnemoc> don't exist :\ [00:20] <mnemoc> std::stringstream o_O [00:32] <Captain> Hi, just wondering about the ppc install. IT has a installer I hear. I'm running a imac 400mhz with a rage 128. Now all the distros I've tried seem to have a DRI (OpenGl) bug that freezes my gui, sometimes causing kernel panic. Have you guys incorporated a fix to this. [00:38] <th> Captain: why don't u just disable DRI in x-config or kernel? [00:44] <hannes_> hi! [00:54] <Captain> yeah I just did in ydl, found that out after many kernel panics, trying fixes suggested by irc, and googling. I finally found out the problem by installing various distros and comparing simmilarities and diffs. [00:55] <Captain> but the reason I once wanted to try your ppc is that it is optomized for the ppc 750, my processor [00:58] <Captain> And although I like debian style, I'd might be willing to try our system out if DRI was working as I didn't leave OS X to not have Accel. Yes, I know there are many other reasons to use *nix and I agree, but I don't think Accel should be a trade off. I've already submitted several bug reports but I don't think they'll be acted upon soon as mny people dont use the Rage 128 cards anymore [00:58] <fake> Captain: in case you're talking about the LiveCD, why don't you just try it? [01:01] <Captain> you guys have live ppc CD? [01:01] <fake> Captain: the only ppc thing recently released.. [01:02] <fake> oh wait, that's optimized for 604e and uses framebuffer [01:03] <fake> i usually optimize for 604e, as that's the 'smallest' machine i have [01:03] <fake> though the difference shouldn't be great [01:04] <fake> https://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/unofficial/fake/livecd-powerpc-604e-rev4392.iso [01:20] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) joined #rocklinux. [03:18] <netcrow> mhm [03:35] hackbard_ (foobar@hackdaworld.org) joined #rocklinux. [03:36] <hackbard_> hi [03:37] Nick change: hackbard_ -> hackbard [03:37] <demian> hackbard [03:37] <demian> :) [03:37] <hackbard> :) [03:37] <hackbard> is renen still called rene or rxr ? [03:38] <hackbard> rene* [03:39] <hackbard> he has to make the avision parport scanner work in sane! :) [03:42] <demian> /whois rxr .. seems yes. 59mins idle. [04:01] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-095-101.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [04:01] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-153-229.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:01] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [04:45] netrunne1 (~andreas@pD9E8C510.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [04:53] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8DB92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:53] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner [05:16] <nullslack> any one knows a good link explaining bsd init vs sys v init? [05:16] <nullslack> i mean the advantages of both...primarily sys v [06:11] doug (~doug@64.122.103.201) left #rocklinux. [06:27] <Captain> tnks fake, I'm going to try boot the ppc iso [06:27] Captain (~Captain@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:43] Faustus (~Mestaphel@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net) joined #rocklinux. [06:44] <Faustus> fake: The live CD works on my iMac DV, only not with my Rage 218 [06:45] <Faustus> pretty cool, there's only two other live ppc cds mib which fails to have gui, and knoppix which I've been able to download as there is so little bandwidth dedicated. [06:46] <Faustus> In any case I imagine that I can use it to repair any linux repair sort of work, assumming ext3 fs [06:50] <fake> Faustus: i use a r128 on my g3, i just noticed [06:50] <fake> you may change the driver in /etc/X11/XF86Config to 'r128' and add 'Option "UseFBDev" "true"' [06:51] <fake> the file is writeable [06:51] <fake> those settings work for me (tm) [06:52] <fake> the error message if i don't add 'UseFBDev' is something about V_BIOS or so [06:55] <Faustus> yes I recognise those settings. You mean change these settings once booted up? [06:57] <Faustus> or make the change in the iso and resave it. [06:58] <Faustus> burn it, I mean [07:00] <Faustus> I just look thru the CD, nothing there so I assume u mean while boot from it. Fine that's easy [07:01] <Faustus> off we go [07:01] Faustus (~Mestaphel@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:05] <fake> while running ;) [07:14] Faustus (~Mephisto@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net) joined #rocklinux. [07:15] <Faustus> hey fake: what editor do you guys use while up in livecd? [07:15] <Faustus> nano and pico don't work [07:15] <demian> vi [07:17] <Faustus> my god! I haven't used vi in years. Time to study [07:17] <Faustus> it'll come back. [07:19] <fake> vim ;) [07:20] <Faustus> well I'm look at it using cat. Pretty kool that you can do this. And apprently there are options to boot on old world too. Man I hear that one can do this with mib-ppc or knoppix-ppc but the instructions are very rare. Most everyone I've spoken to thinks it can't be done. You've got to get the news out that you've made this for ppc! [07:22] <fake> the old world booting is limited to using bootx - the cdrom boot loader code is copyrighted and owned by apple [07:22] <Faustus> awe [07:22] <fake> you need to have mac os installed to make it work [07:23] <Faustus> bootx is for old word [07:23] <fake> though i'm planning to create a diskette image that has a bootloader on it that starts the livecd [07:23] <fake> yes, bootx is only for oldworld macs [07:24] <Faustus> so I assumed that this live cd will work with old world. But do you mean that this will not work untill you've got the diskettes? [07:24] <fake> it will work on old world macs that have mac OS installed [07:24] <Faustus> got it [07:24] <fake> (which should be most ;) [07:24] <fake> the readme has instructions on how to get it booting [07:25] <fake> the floppy would be simple to create, but hfs sucks and i'm lazy ;) [07:26] <fake> besides, i have only very few computers equipped with a floppy drive *g* [07:28] <Faustus> cool stuff, I'll let people know. I don't like hfs either, I've tried telling darwin people this, only to have them stuck in their mentality that I onyl have anecdotal evidence. Do u know of nay objective studies lokking into hfs or hfs+? [07:29] <Faustus> and htat anecdotal evidence, my experience, doesn't stand for much, their claim [07:29] <fake> no. the only thing i am painfully aware of is the embedding of application specific data into the filesystem. [07:29] <fake> i don't need to know more [07:30] <fake> c'mon, there are about 2000 file types [07:30] <fake> (as opposed to text/binary for the rest of the world) [07:31] Action: fake needs to get sleep now [07:31] <fake> it's like 7:40 AM here [07:31] <fake> damn... [07:32] <fake> cu later [07:32] <Faustus> sure but letlet me ask why it didn't like me doing a reboot, says shutedown is better if the hd isn't activated/ [07:33] <Faustus> night [07:52] Faustus (~Mephisto@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:07] rocky_ (~rocky@dsl-14.172.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au) joined #rocklinux. [08:29] BoS_ (~BoS@dialin-212-144-072-074.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [08:39] BoS (~BoS@dialin-145-254-169-164.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:39] rocky_ (~rocky@dsl-14.172.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au) left #rocklinux ("I'm outta here ppl TTFN"). [09:00] Faustus (~Mephisto@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net) joined #rocklinux. [09:31] Nick change: BoS_ -> BoS [10:01] Faustus (~Mephisto@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:26] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) left irc: "leaving" [10:37] kasc_ (kasc@dsl-213-023-206-082.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. 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[13:11] <nullslack> hi blindcoder [13:11] <blindcoder> hi nullslack [13:11] <netrunner> https://de.mobile.de/cgi-bin/da.pl?id=11111111148687201&sprache=1 [13:11] <netrunner> mazda 323f [13:11] <blindcoder> nice [13:12] <blindcoder> I made my drivers license in one :) [13:13] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAAD6C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:41] treo (~xfman@D9ca3.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [13:44] <treo> sali [13:47] <th> whut? i don't believe that. we have no fluxbox in rock? [15:15] tcr_ (~tcr@pD9EAA9BD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [15:26] <fake> netrunner: stop selling my car! [15:30] <mnemoc> LOL [15:35] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAAD6C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:01] tcr (~tcr@p548799F8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [16:07] tcr_ (~tcr@pD9EAA9BD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:34] madtux (~mike@200.91.101.97) joined #rocklinux. [16:34] <madtux> hello [16:34] <mnemoc> mike! [16:34] <madtux> :) [16:35] <fake> mike! [16:37] <madtux> yo! [16:37] <mnemoc> s/yo/i/ [16:38] <madtux> s/yo/yar [16:38] <madtux> :) [16:38] <mnemoc> :p [16:54] ringo (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) joined #rocklinux. [16:57] <madtux> ringo!!! [17:08] madtux (~mike@200.91.101.97) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:15] ringo (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:15] <hannes_> hi [18:22] <fake> hi hannes_! [18:25] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.36) joined #rocklinux. [18:33] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.37) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:33] Nick change: mnemoc_ -> mnemoc [18:37] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [18:42] tcr (~tcr@p548799F8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:00] treo (~xfman@D9ca3.d.pppool.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:07] treo (~xfman@Db91a.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [19:08] <treo> bye ^^ [19:08] treo (~xfman@Db91a.d.pppool.de) left irc: Client Quit [19:44] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:10] <netrunner> fake: you also got a 323f? [20:23] <fake> netrunner: yes [20:23] <netrunner> fake: and, everything fine? just drove the first 50 km with mine ... [20:24] <netrunner> fake: what is the button "A/C" for? [20:24] <blindcoder> Air Conditioning? [20:24] <fake> netrunner: clima automatic [20:24] <netrunner> cannot be aircon, mine is not supposed to have one. [20:24] <fake> netrunner: clima automatic != air conditioning [20:25] <fake> but the effect is almost the same [20:25] <fake> it's a nice car ;) [20:25] <netrunner> fake: so it doesn't cool? [20:25] <fake> only the borderless doors are a bit annying [20:25] <fake> netrunner: not sure about yours, mine does [20:25] <netrunner> hm. gotta try next summer. [20:26] <netrunner> fake: don't the windows let through some water? looks dangerous ... [20:26] <fake> netrunner: no. it's just they sometimes don't close correctly [20:26] <fake> at the top of the window [20:27] <netrunner> ok. but then they let water in? [20:27] Action: netrunner always had problems with water in cars :/ [20:27] <fake> i always check that before i leave it standing somewhere [20:27] <netrunner> :) [20:27] <netrunner> I'll try to. [20:42] <netrunner> *g* uf [21:22] <netrunner> fake: do you know if I can connect any cd changer to the standard radio? [21:22] <fake> netrunner: i have on with cd changer in it since i got it [21:23] <fake> netrunner: so, i don't know the 'standard radio' ;) [21:23] <netrunner> fake: is the changer in the back? maybe I also have one ... [21:23] <fake> netrunner: yes [21:23] <netrunner> because my radio is the 342 with changer input... [21:23] <netrunner> fake: give me a hint, left, right ... [21:23] <fake> in the 'kofferraum' [21:24] <netrunner> yes, I know. but it's quite some space there ... [21:24] <fake> i think mine's a sony [21:24] <fake> you couldn't overlook it [21:32] <netrunner> hm, I'll take a look tomorrow. maybe at least the cables are there. [22:02] earnie (~chatzilla@cpc1-whit1-3-0-cust160.cdif.cable.ntl.com) joined #rocklinux. [22:04] <earnie> anyone alive to help ? [22:04] <daja77> we live for that ... [22:05] <earnie> bit of a newie, using rock emerge xmms, complains about gtk ? [22:07] <owl> moin [22:07] <daja77> perhaps you don't have it [22:08] <daja77> <- off [22:08] <earnie> I have /opt/gnome24/lib/gtk-2.0 [22:08] <mnemoc> xmms needs gtk+14, you need to emerge that libraries too [22:09] <mnemoc> try xine or mplayer :) [22:09] <earnie> I got xine working [22:10] <owl> hm. cdplayer like "anlage" or just "cdplayer"? [22:10] <earnie> INFO: Found cached mirror URL in download/Mirror: [22:11] <earnie> INFO: ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/ROCK/rocklinux/ROCK-2.0 [22:11] <earnie> INFO: To force a new mirror auto-detection, remove download/Mirror. [22:11] <earnie> Processing pattern download/*/gtk+14/* ... [22:11] <earnie> == 11/27/04 21:09:26 =[9]=> Package gtk+14 does not exist. [22:11] <daja77> gtk+12 [22:11] <owl> O_o [22:11] <earnie> yup :-) [22:12] <mnemoc> even older :) [22:16] <earnie> nice one thx for help, xmms now working :-) [22:18] <owl> there is no automatic dependency resolving in rock? [22:20] <fake> owl: the build scripts just don't think they're smarter than the user [22:21] <fake> owl: you can resolve dependencies with ./misc/archive/showdeps.sh [22:21] <fake> showdeps.sh -uses bash [22:21] <fake> shows the packages that bash depends on [22:21] <owl> O_o well. i [22:21] <fake> showdeps.sh -usedby bash [22:21] <owl> m a bit - shocked [22:21] <fake> shows the packages that depend on bash [22:21] <owl> (gnarf. i'm hating this keyboard) [22:21] <fake> the information is availible since about 3 years or so [22:22] <fake> it's just a *very* small shell script that shows the information in scripts/dep_db.txt [22:23] <owl> hmmm. dunno. i would prefer a automatic dep res., even in binaries etc. [22:24] <fake> owl: go implement it for your target ;) [22:25] <owl> e.g. like in slackware with swaret... there are just a few deps on packages, there is an optoion to download all needed packages on which the wanted packages are based etc. [22:25] <owl> nah. :p [22:25] <mnemoc> owl: how is slackware's guy? [22:26] <owl> mnemoc: huh? [22:26] <mnemoc> wasn't he dieing? [22:26] <earnie> Pat has been unwell [22:26] <owl> i dunno. O_o [22:27] <earnie> can you use rocket to query and list all packages avaialble ? [22:29] <mnemoc> earnie: rock need someone (you) to maintain the sub-distro if you want to provide binary updating for it [22:32] <earnie> mnemoc, I'm only into my 2nd day using ROCK :-) [22:33] <mnemoc> ROCK is a distribution build kit, not a distribution :) we provide you the tools you need to create and maintain your own distribution :) [22:34] <earnie> okay point taken :-) [22:34] Action: fake finally packaged kdebluetooth [22:39] Action: netrunner hugging fake for this [22:39] <fake> wuaaah [22:41] <daja77> hehe [22:51] tcr (~tcr@p548799F8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [22:55] <tcr> moin all. [23:03] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:04] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) joined #rocklinux. 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