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[00:01] kasc_ (kasc@dsl-082-083-059-203.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [00:11] kasc (kasc@dsl-082-083-053-053.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:11] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [05:10] kasc_ (kasc@dsl-082-083-062-213.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [05:15] kasc (kasc@dsl-082-083-059-203.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:15] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [07:42] Nick change: BoS^afk_ -> Bos [08:09] <blindcoder> moin [08:26] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8C704.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:29] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8CB76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [08:29] <SerWou> morning guys [08:44] rofn (~rofn@83.65.154.74) joined #rocklinux. [09:46] SteffenP (steffen@pD9590646.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [09:47] rofn (~rofn@83.65.154.74) left #rocklinux. [09:55] <blindcoder> hmm [09:55] <blindcoder> should I install the machine with a Pentium3 optimised build or should I just stick to the Pentium-MMX one? [09:57] Action: netrunner had bad experience with p4 opt, but p3 was fine iirc [09:58] <blindcoder> yes, P4 is probably "experimental" :-) [09:58] <blindcoder> the machine is a dual P3-Celeron anyway [10:51] <fake> moin [10:52] <blindcoder> moin moin [11:27] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:28] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) joined #rocklinux. [12:40] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.11) joined #rocklinux. [12:46] SteffenP (steffen@pD9590646.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:54] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.2) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:55] SteffenP (~steffen@pD9E509E6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:21] <fake> na, fit? [13:21] <fake> arghl [13:21] <daja77> hi fake [13:22] <fake> hi daja77 [13:22] <blindcoder> moin daja77 [13:22] <daja77> moin blindy [14:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: [ ] use loop-aes [14:11] <netrunner> blindcoder: what's that for? I mean if I have loop-aes in my pkgconfig, I want it. otherwise not. [14:19] <blindcoder> netrunner: so that people know it's there :) [14:20] <netrunner> blindcoder: that makes the configure script unneccessary slow and the list of optioins unneccesarry long. [14:20] <netrunner> blindcoder if wedo that for every pkg we have a list of >1k options there. [14:21] <blindcoder> I seem to recall clifford volunteering (a long time ago) that he redoes the config thing in C [14:38] <netrunner> blindcoder: that's not my point. [14:41] <blindcoder> netrunner: well, while you're at it: please deactivate the printer system selection and mta selection when it's not necessary [14:42] <blindcoder> netrunner: the problem is that the config system needs an overhaul [14:42] <blindcoder> there are just too many things and not enough speeds [14:42] <blindcoder> that doesn't boil down to loop-aes being the problem [14:45] <netrunner> blindcoder: printing system selection is neccessary as you can have multiple installed and use one for the default links. same with mta. [14:48] treo (~xfman@Daf19.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [14:50] <blindcoder> netrunner: well, I have none installed so it only slows down the configuration process [14:50] <blindcoder> and I said "when it's not necessary" not "because it's unnecessary" [14:55] <netrunner> that would be a feature I'd vote pro on :) [15:01] Nick change: Bos -> BoS^dentist [16:17] praenti (~praenti@82.139.198.99) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:25] <owl> moin [16:35] Nick change: BoS^dentist -> BoS [16:35] <owl> urghs. another poor person who went to a doc... :( [17:28] SteffenP (~steffen@pD9E509E6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [18:01] <owl> hi [18:02] praenti (~praenti@82.139.198.99) joined #rocklinux. [18:18] Nick change: BoS -> BoS|afk [18:30] Action: fake - server reinstall. cya soon (i hope) [18:30] fake (~fake@rapidnetworks.de) left irc: "[BX] "got bitchx?"" [18:31] <blindcoder> hope is futile :P [19:00] fake (~fake@rapidnetworks.de) joined #rocklinux. [19:00] <fake> ha. am i quick or what? [19:00] <owl> wb fake [19:00] <blindcoder> must have been cheating :P [19:22] SteffenP (~steffen@fortuna7.bingo-ev.de) joined #rocklinux. [20:23] SteffenP (~steffen@fortuna7.bingo-ev.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [20:27] <owl> aehm. is there another package manager than mine which eats tar.bz2? [20:27] <fake> bize [20:28] <owl> bize? [20:29] <owl> where to find it? [20:31] <owl> ah. found it. hm. and something not rock-related? [20:32] <daja77> tar ... [20:33] <owl> aehm. package-manager... like in 'installpkg' [20:34] <blindcoder> owl: so, you want a non-rock related package manager to install rock packages? [20:35] <owl> blindcoder: no, i won't install rock-packages... [20:35] <blindcoder> owl: maybe we can better help you if you actually tell us what you want to do [20:36] <th> owl: so you need something that "eats" tar.bz2's? [20:36] <blindcoder> th: /dev/null might help :) [20:36] <th> blindcoder: that was my thought. [20:36] <owl> th: yeah. eating like in installing it... better [20:36] <blindcoder> owl: _what_ do you want to install? [20:37] <owl> blindcoder: generated tar bz22 files... or so... [20:37] <blindcoder> owl: this might help you: https://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html [20:37] <blindcoder> owl: so, to my _guesswork_ you want to create .tar.bz2 files from installed packages? [20:38] <th> owl: where are the tar.bz2's from? [20:38] <owl> nope. i want to use rock - no, not exactly -rock - tfor creating t.bz2 instead of gem... and i need something whic installes the files... [20:39] <owl> (instead of mien) [20:39] <owl> mine [20:39] <blindcoder> ah, new _guess_: you have a source tar.bz2 and want to create a binary tar.bz2 from it? [20:39] <owl> blindcoder: nah. binary. [20:39] <blindcoder> that's what I said, binary [20:39] <th> owl: you can just use tar for it! [20:40] <blindcoder> th: well, I _think_ she wants something like mkpkg and then use mine to create a binary tar.bz2 [20:40] <owl> th: hmm. it just doesnt have a nice interface... so - >no ... [20:40] <blindcoder> but I'd prefer her to ask questions that actually make sense and point to what she actually wants [20:40] <blindcoder> *sigh* [20:40] <th> owl: and mine has a nice interface? [20:40] <blindcoder> okay, I'm out of this "discussion" [20:41] <owl> th: it's better for a installing system than tar... [20:41] <th> owl: how about creating an alias: alias xyz="tar xfvIsp" [20:41] <th> owl: then you can just do "xyz myPackage.tar.bz2" [20:42] <owl> well. no... not really... [20:42] <th> why not? [20:43] <owl> too simple and so... [20:43] wolfi (wolfi@chello212186097086.2.11.vie.surfer.at) joined #rocklinux. [20:43] <fake> owl wants it complicated. [20:43] <th> owl: what's bad with being simple? [20:44] <owl> th: simple != userfriendly [20:44] <blindcoder> "it doesn't have a nice interface" "it's too simple" what on earth do you want? [20:44] <owl> blindcoder: ... [20:45] <th> owl: how can something be userfriendly if it's not simple? [20:45] <th> owl: complicated stuff is not userfriendly [20:45] <owl> th: well. do you want your e.g. grandma to type in something like 'xyz' into a console? [20:46] <th> owl: you were searching for something like "mine" so. "xyz" would be even easier. [20:46] <owl> th: 'install -root /home/owl/blubb blugg.tbz2' is is userfriendly imho. not cd blahblah.. and stuff.. [20:47] <fake> mine -i -R /home/owl/blubb blubb.tbz2 - wtf ?? [20:47] <owl> fake: i don't want to use mine... [20:47] <owl> orsomething rock-dependent [20:47] <fake> because ? [20:47] <owl> because i 'm not willed to fork everything [20:48] <fake> well then copy the mine sources and rename them, claim them and you're set [20:48] <fake> why fork? [20:48] <fake> just use it! [20:48] <th> owl: so whats your problem with `xyz -root /home/owl/blubb blugg.tbz2'? [20:48] <owl> then i'm still dependent on rock-development... [20:48] <th> not if you copy it! [20:48] <owl> th: see above [20:48] wolfi (wolfi@chello212186097086.2.11.vie.surfer.at) left #rocklinux. [20:48] SteffenP (steffen@pD9E509E6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:48] <owl> hmm. [20:48] <th> owl: "< owl> th: 'install -root /home/owl/blubb blugg.tbz2' is is userfriendly imho." [20:48] <th> very fine. [20:49] <th> so 'xyz -root /home/owl/blubb blugg.tbz2' should be too. [20:49] <owl> aeh. yeah, is more userfriendly... [20:49] <th> i don't see why you think you need to do "cd blahblah.. and stuff.." [20:49] <owl> to install it... [20:50] <th> you don't need to cd anywhere to install packages. [20:51] <th> not with "mine" and not with the some alias that wrappes tar [20:51] <th> s,the, [20:51] <owl> hmm. wrapper is the problem... [20:52] <th> why? [20:52] <owl> cuz my programming skills... [20:54] <th> try this: [20:55] <th> #!/bin/sh [20:55] <th> [ $1 = "-root" ] && { shift ; ROOT=$1 ; shift } [20:55] <th> cd $ROOT ; tar xfIspv $1 [20:55] <th> put this in a file and make it executable. [20:55] <th> then name it as you want... [20:55] <th> and use it like "xyz -root /home/owl/blubb blugg.tbz2" [20:55] <owl> hmm. [20:55] <th> giving -root is optional. [21:18] <owl> argh. dammit. i should not sit on a pc. *blind as an regenwurm* [21:18] <owl> thx, th [21:45] Action: fake off for today [21:46] <owl> bye fake [22:01] BoS|afk_ (~BoS@dialin-145-254-169-018.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [22:10] <netrunner> th: can you give me sth to change directories more userfriendly? [22:10] Action: netrunner rofling about lastlog [22:12] BoS|afk (~BoS@dialin-212-144-017-102.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Connection timed out [22:13] <th> netrunner: e.g. without giving the directory as argument? [22:13] Action: blindcoder hands netrunner a big red button labeled: void DoWhatIWant(); [22:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: but I want my work to be more productive. [22:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: might suffice for you though *run* [22:37] <blindcoder> netrunner: that's why it returns void, that's more than you do right now :P [22:39] <blindcoder> anyway, I'm off for today [22:39] <blindcoder> bye [22:48] <netrunner> n8 [00:00] --- Tue Jan 25 2005