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[09:38] <madtux> [anders-mcafee], is doing great thanks :)... how about you? how much sleep have u been getting lately? *g* [09:39] <[anders-mcafee]> madtux: I have been getting decent amounts of sleep actually, Helen's mum is visiting, so getting some help looking after the little one at the moment [09:39] <madtux> lucky :) [09:39] <[anders-mcafee]> aye, sure is :) [09:39] <[anders-mcafee]> still getting up at 0500 though, just to get into the office at decent times [09:40] <madtux> well at least its better than been up at 2:40am knowing to that u are suppose to wake at 6am.. [09:40] <[anders-mcafee]> yeh, that is the one :) [09:41] <madtux> :s [09:41] Action: [anders-mcafee] spent part of the weekend looking at Postfix, TLS, ssl certificates and access restrictions [09:42] <madtux> oh nice [09:42] <[anders-mcafee]> handy to know how it works. ;-) [09:42] <madtux> definitly [09:42] <[anders-mcafee]> part of the job, and a secure mail server at home is useful as well [09:43] <madtux> :) [09:43] <madtux> nice job [09:43] <madtux> ok dude i will go get me a few hours of sleep.. as i said before i;m supposed to be aup at 6am [09:43] <[anders-mcafee]> heh.. sweet dreams [09:43] <madtux> i wil be back around 7am my time [09:44] <madtux> thanks :) [09:44] <[anders-mcafee]> okidoki, cya then [09:44] madtux (~mike@65.182.14.165) left irc: "Leaving" [10:15] <blindcoder> okay, just booked the room for CLT :) [10:40] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAAEBD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. 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[13:50] <owl> soemone knows a good howto for my fights with postfix & sasl & etc. [13:50] <owl> ? [13:51] <blindcoder> www.sendmail.com :D [13:51] <owl> blindcoder: *kick* *kick* *kick* [14:03] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.56) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:10] <fake> owl: whaddayaneed? [14:17] <owl> fake: ??? [14:29] <owl> gnarf. how to make colored-stupid-damn-ugly-looking emails with kmail or other email-client? need to annoy someone [15:03] <fake> owl: enable html [15:04] <owl> fake: yes. found it. now there's a ugly rainbow-hyper-colored html-mail out. [15:05] <owl> .oO( which idiot needs such stuff?!!! "jsut for fun - te make editing easier" *biting the next table available*) [15:06] <mnemoc> hi, does anyone have docbook{_to_man,2man} there? which package? [15:07] <blindcoder> hmm, no [15:11] <mnemoc> last module-init-tools needs it :\ [15:13] <mnemoc> https://sources.redhat.com/docbook-tools/ [15:13] <mnemoc> i hate RH!!!!! [15:13] <mnemoc> that crap is cvs:// only and they injected a dependency on module-init-tools [15:14] <blindcoder> circular dependency? [15:14] <blindcoder> so what about cvs:// ? There's the cvs:// download scheme for [D] Tags [15:14] <mnemoc> yes [15:15] <daja77> re [15:15] <mnemoc> i mean they made module-init-tools depend on a software which have never released sh*t [15:15] <blindcoder> moin daja77 [15:15] <blindcoder> :( [15:16] feistel (~feistel@200.69.223.249) joined #rocklinux. [15:16] <feistel> hi [15:16] <blindcoder> hi feistel [15:16] <feistel> how I can see the funcion allocated by a library in Linux? [15:16] <feistel> how I can see the functions allocated by a library in Linux? [15:17] <blindcoder> feistel: objdump I'd say [15:18] <feistel> how I can use objdump? [15:18] <blindcoder> man objdump [15:18] <blindcoder> never used it for this, either [15:18] <feistel> objdump and nm says no symbols [15:19] <blindcoder> feistel: is the library stripped? [15:21] <feistel> i dont know [15:21] <feistel> how I know if a library is stripped? [15:21] <blindcoder> feistel: what does 'file <library>' give you [15:22] <feistel> /lib/librt-2.3.2.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped [15:22] <feistel> :( [15:22] <blindcoder> stripped, so you're out of luck [15:23] <blindcoder> feistel: why do you need to know this [15:23] <feistel> my problem is [15:24] <feistel> tar and ls crash [15:24] <blindcoder> what error message? [15:24] <feistel> Segmentation fault [15:24] <blindcoder> ugh [15:24] <feistel> strace say: [15:24] <feistel> clock_gettime(0, <unfinished ...> [15:24] <feistel> +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ [15:25] <SMP> you use nm, not objdump [15:25] <blindcoder> feistel: did you do anything out of the ordinary recently? [15:25] <SMP> but that's not likely going to help in this case either [15:25] <feistel> I am working in a server installed by another person [15:25] <blindcoder> SMP: thanks [15:26] <blindcoder> feistel: did that person do anything out of the ordinary recently? [15:26] <feistel> I am finding where clock_gettime function is allocated [15:26] <blindcoder> like updating the glibc on a running system? [15:26] <feistel> feistel, i dont know [15:26] <feistel> the server is a production server, I dont can reboot them [15:26] <SMP> clock_gettime() is not a library function! [15:26] <SMP> it's a system call [15:26] <feistel> SMP, what is? [15:27] <feistel> auh! [15:27] <feistel> SMP, then the problem is with a kernel? [15:27] <SMP> hard to say [15:28] <feistel> man for clock_gettime() say: Most systems require the program be linked with the librt library to use [15:28] <feistel> these functions [15:29] <SMP> $ nm -D /lib/librt.so.1 | grep clock_gettime [15:29] <SMP> 00003c70 T clock_gettime [15:29] <SMP> hmm. right [15:30] <SMP> since when is strace able to trace function calls? [15:30] <fake> it isn't ? [15:31] <fake> fake@jane:/usr/include/linux$ grep clock_gettime * [15:31] <fake> syscalls.h:asmlinkage long sys_clock_gettime(clockid_t which_clock, [15:31] <SMP> strace traces system calls, ltrace traces function calls to libraries (and syscalls, too). at least mine do [15:32] <fake> SMP: i meant, it's not tracing function calls (at least not to my knowledge...) [15:32] <SMP> ah [15:32] <SMP> so then clock_gettime() is both a syscall and a function in librt [15:32] <fake> seems so... [15:33] <SMP> and what we're seeing in that strace log is the syscall [15:33] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-102-069.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [15:33] <fake> hum, on my System.map for 2.6 there is only do_clock_gettime and sys_clock_gettime... [15:34] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-102-069.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:34] <blindcod1r> what's up with freenode today? [15:34] <fake> maybe strace strips off the sys_ [15:34] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [15:34] <SMP> the name of the syscall doesn't need to have anything to do with the name of the function in the kernel that implements it [15:35] <SMP> it's just a convention that the names of syscall functions (and only those) in the kernel begin with sys_ [15:37] <fake> SMP: i c - so strace translates system call nr.s to function names itself [15:37] <SMP> yes. [15:37] mistik1_ (rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net) joined #rocklinux. [15:38] mistik1 (rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:43] <mnemoc> blindcoder: docbook-tools is a bunch of tarballs, where the main docbook-utils (which includes the tool required by module-init-tools) needs jade [15:45] <blindcoder> mnemoc: and what is jade? [15:47] Action: blindcoder off now, got to shop and some other things [15:47] <blindcoder> bye [15:47] <mnemoc> blindcoder: and xml processor afaik [15:47] <fake> blindcoder: and write blog [15:47] <mnemoc> and* [16:55] [anders-mcafee] (~snafu@213.208.70.155) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:42] madtux (~mike@196.40.44.28) joined #rocklinux. [17:42] <madtux> hi. [17:50] <daja77> hi madtux [18:02] <madtux> hello mr. daniel [18:02] <daja77> :D [18:29] <daja77> blindcoder: ? [18:31] <th> oh wow - we have no qemu in stable? [18:31] <th> i'm confused [18:31] <th> i was almost sure we do. [18:33] <blindcoder> daja77: ! [19:18] Action: blindcoder reading his 2005 Despair Inc. calendar that just arrived today :D [19:25] <fake> aaaargh [19:26] <fake> clifford's dsl provider seems to detected when i arrive at home. [19:27] <blindcoder> because your connection terminates? [19:27] <fake> again and again... [19:28] <blindcoder> haha [19:30] <fake> aaargh [19:40] <fake> now i know why openvpn keeps saying the certificate is 'not yet' valid [19:41] <fake> i always thought that it referrs to not havin tried all possible verifications yet [19:41] <fake> but instead, the system clock says it's 1980 - which would be a few years before the first x509 certificates have been issued ;) [19:44] <blindcoder> you have to take a better look at your systems... [19:44] <fake> blindcoder: it's a routing-only-soekris - date wasn't even installed ;)) [19:44] <fake> nor 'hwtosys' [19:44] <blindcoder> heh [19:44] <blindcoder> ntpclient? [19:45] <fake> nah, no way [19:45] <fake> if i had df on the box, i could see how much of the 64 MB flash card is still availible... [19:46] <fake> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [19:46] <fake> rootfs 61M 18M 40M 32% / [19:46] <fake> wow... [19:46] <fake> there's still *plenty* of space ;) [19:47] <fake> Initialization Sequence Completed [19:47] <fake> oh baby! [19:54] <blindcoder> I love this calendar :D [19:56] <fake> hum? which? [19:56] <blindcoder> fake: this just in: question about the livecd in the wiki [19:57] <blindcoder> fake: the Despair Inc. Special Edition 2005 Calendar [20:00] <fake> blindcoder: i envy you... [20:00] <blindcoder> including my new "Idiocy" Coffee Mug :D [20:00] <tcr> Are there any shots? [20:01] <blindcoder> have no cam [20:01] <fake> blindcoder: question is from marcello, the 2.4 tree maintainer ;))) [20:01] <blindcoder> But three shots of Rum if necessary :) [20:02] <tcr> blindcoder, Only, where you bought it? [20:02] <tcr> s,only,online, [20:02] <blindcoder> tcr: www.despair.com [20:02] <blindcoder> tcr: yes [20:02] <blindcoder> fake: :) [20:03] <tcr> blindcoder, I actually talked about the mug :) [20:05] <blindcoder> https://www.despair.com/idiocymug.html [20:05] <blindcoder> so did I :) [20:07] <tcr> Heh [20:08] <fake> blindcoder: answer posted ;) [20:08] <blindcoder> I also bought the Procrastination mug but that will be a birthday present [20:08] <fake> to yourself ? [20:09] <blindcoder> fake: no [20:09] <blindcoder> fake: maybe you want to subscribe to the rockdoc-commit mailinglist [20:10] <blindcoder> Unfortunately my birthday is in august so buying a bday present for me now seems wrong [20:15] <tcr> Is the athlon-xp compatible to i686 optimizations? [20:15] <owl> re [20:16] madtux (~mike@196.40.44.28) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:16] <blindcoder> moin owl [20:16] <owl> hi blindy [20:17] <owl> how to remove wachs out from a glass .... ? (wachs is hard / dry) [20:23] <netrunner> owl: lighter [20:23] <blindcoder> owl: freezer [20:23] <fake> tcr: yes [20:23] <fake> owl: hot water [20:23] <netrunner> fake: praying [20:23] <netrunner> :) [20:24] <fake> netrunner: hm? [20:24] <netrunner> fake: s/fake/owl/ [20:24] <owl> hm. k. thx. will try [20:25] <fake> (not all of the methods at once, owl!) [20:25] <blindcoder> fake: why not? if you have spare hot water, just put it in the freezer. You never know when you might need hot water. [20:26] <owl> nah. will try hot water... and fire or so... *thinking* [20:26] <blindcoder> owl: good luck. but remember the freezer [20:31] <fake> it will both work [20:32] <fake> owl: the water from the *OUTSIDE* of the glass, of course [20:32] <fake> otherwise it will be a mess ;) [20:35] <owl> re. thx. yes. worked. nah. needed from inside, too... (the bottom was also affected and so...) [20:48] <feistel> hi, anyone use qmailanalog here? [20:49] <blindcoder> not me [20:49] <owl> <- not, too. [20:58] <fake> who uses qmail? [20:58] <fake> ;-) [20:58] Action: fake postfix [20:58] <_Ragnar_> <- [20:58] Action: blindcoder sendmail [20:59] Action: tfing real postfix [20:59] <fake> blindcoder: masochist! [20:59] <blindcoder> fake: hey, I've got a working configuration [20:59] <blindcoder> so unless you have a sendmail2foo converter, feel free to tell me what you like :P [21:03] <owl> .oO( half of #rocklinux is running postfix on mailservers? O_o ) [21:04] <fake> owl: that's because postfix rules. [21:06] <owl> hmm. depends on what you need imho... tls is a bit - sick imho [21:07] <fake> postfix does not enforce tls ? [21:08] <owl> yes... but if you want tls... -> get patch here and here and blah -> sick [21:14] <fake> owl: ... no? [21:15] <owl> fake: huh? [21:15] <fake> owl: if you want tls for SMTP, you just need to enable that on build, and of course you need sasl [21:16] <owl> fake: *cough* debian -> server [21:18] <fake> what? [21:19] <fake> anyone here with a working sip-ua? [21:19] <fake> i need a test subject ... ;-) [21:20] <daja77> <- only got the evil stuff [21:20] <fake> daja77: no kphone? [21:21] <daja77> is it in crystal? [21:21] <fake> you just need to emerge-pkg it [21:21] <daja77> yep I am on it [21:28] <fake> narf [21:28] <fake> it won't work [21:28] <fake> *sigh* [21:28] <fake> not yet [21:31] <daja77> but i have kphone now ;) [21:33] <fake> just a sec... [21:40] <fake> wart' mal [21:53] feistel (~feistel@200.69.223.249) left irc: "Leaving" [21:54] Nick change: SerWou -> SerWou_sleep [22:39] Nick change: mistik1_ -> mistik1 [23:03] SteffenP (steffen@pD95907E0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [23:39] tcr (~tcr@pD9EABA90.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: ""Most people would rather die than think, in fact, many do" -- Erik Naggum" [00:00] --- Tue Feb 8 2005