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[00:47] kasc (kasc@dsl-082-083-132-203.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:37] <owl> https://www.w-ol.de/index.php isdn-flat... btw [01:38] <Freak> "*mit Werbung" [01:39] <owl> huh? [01:39] <owl> ah. there. [01:40] <owl> well... no need here, anymore... dsl (light) available.. but... interesting, ... ;) [01:41] <Freak> :) [01:41] <owl> (hmm. totango.de - the same concept... was never launched... ) [01:42] <Freak> tota...what? [01:44] <owl> totango.de - some years ago (dunno. 2000?) they said 'we will offer isdn/analog-flatrates' - and nobody got one... [01:58] <Freak> ic [02:13] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.42) joined #rocklinux. [02:55] <owl> i'm going to sleep. gn8 [03:08] <mnemoc> hi none [03:08] <mnemoc> err [03:09] <mnemoc> wrong channel [05:57] netrunne1 (~andreas@pD9E8DE36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [06:13] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8E01A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:13] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner [07:40] daja77 ([yUv2BF8VE@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:40] <blindcoder> moin [08:47] [anders-mcafee] (~snafu@213.208.70.155) joined #rocklinux. [08:49] kasc (kasc@dsl-082-083-048-255.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [08:49] <netrunner> moin. [10:18] <owl> moin [12:16] <fake> moin [12:20] <owl> hi fake [12:20] daja77 ([ykeneYeaA@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) joined #rocklinux. [12:20] <owl> hi daja77 [12:21] <daja77> hi [12:21] <owl> voip is not free of charge, is it? [12:21] <blindcoder> hardly ever [12:21] <blindcoder> but some proviers let you talk for free within their own networks [12:21] <owl> <- is a bit confused because of this strange iphone-stuff... [12:22] <owl> blindcoder: ah. well.. so. iphone<-iphone would be free. and to "partner-netztwerke", too... [12:22] <owl> aeh. <-> [12:23] <blindcoder> owl: maybe [12:23] <blindcoder> owl: not all providers do so [12:24] <fake> voip doesn't cost a thing [12:25] <fake> anyone who charges for it is playing a drity game [12:25] <blindcoder> fake: so just about any voip provider? [12:25] <fake> of course, gatewaying into the POTS is not free of charge [12:26] <owl> blindcoder: yes, but at least freenet says so... [12:26] <fake> but who wants to use the POTS anyways? [12:26] <fake> waah! freenet! [12:26] <owl> POTS? [12:26] <fake> www.freeworlddialup.com [12:26] <fake> Plain Old Telephone System [12:26] <blindcoder> fake: indeed, who wants to... [12:26] <owl> ah. [12:26] <owl> well. who wants to phone? :p /me not really. [12:27] <owl> what's wrong with freenet? [12:27] <fake> blindcoder: iaxtel, iptel.org, pulver.com, ... they all are free [12:27] <fake> owl: freenet sucks big time. [12:27] <owl> fake: but why? [12:28] <blindcoder> fake: the only voip-like thing I'm using is skype [12:28] <blindcoder> and I hardly even use that... [12:28] <netrunner> fake: fwdout.net [12:28] <netrunner> fake: know that? [12:31] <owl> anyways. i'm going to buy a new 'multivitamine-juice' for my hamster now... (and hopefully it will not fall down again... ) bbl [12:32] <fake> netrunner: sure [12:34] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-156-205.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [12:34] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-082-083-226-252.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:34] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [12:46] <fake> slashdot is still borken [12:57] <daja77> hi fake [12:59] <fake> hi daja! [13:01] Action: daja77 trying to get awake ;) [13:03] Action: fake hands daja some coffee [13:03] <daja77> thx [13:07] <SerWou> Hello the Chan [13:08] <daja77> moin SerWou [13:08] <SerWou> what's up daja77 [13:09] Action: daja77 will continue the fight against linux games soon [13:10] <SerWou> what is the game ? [13:10] <SerWou> have you ever test Enemy Territory ? [13:10] <daja77> no but i read it should work [13:10] <daja77> but i look for free games i can package [13:10] <SerWou> it works on Rocklinux [13:10] <SerWou> and this game rocks [13:11] <daja77> i tried america's army ... [13:14] <fake> i really like rock linux. [13:14] <SerWou> why fake ? ;) [13:14] <daja77> it rocks ;) [13:14] <fake> just wanted to mention it ;) [13:15] <daja77> and hotplug sucks sometimes ... [13:17] <SerWou> i'm on rocklinux 2.0.1 [13:18] <SerWou> it's a pain to update GTK+ to make gimp2.2 works [13:18] <SerWou> working [13:18] <daja77> oh i believe that [13:23] <SerWou> see you guys [13:23] <SerWou> bbl [13:35] Action: netrunner likes rockplug and doesn't see what's wrong with it. [13:39] <fake> netrunner: missing udev support, missing firmware hotplug loading support, missing firewire support... shall i continue? [13:40] <fake> netrunner: did you try hotplud? [13:40] <fake> *hotplug? [13:40] <netrunner> fake: I added firmware hotplug myself to rockplug. [13:40] <netrunner> fake: patch was on rlml like 1,5 years ago [13:40] <fake> is it compatible with 'how everyone else does it' ? [13:41] <netrunner> fake: sure. I bumped it twice, nobody cared. rene applied it right after his fork. [13:41] <fake> netrunner: though still, there is no udev support. and that's the reason we switched. [13:41] <netrunner> fake: other way round. hotplug apparently forces udev. at least it starts udevd without being asked for. [13:42] <netrunner> (explicitly) [13:42] Action: SerWou is watching ;) [13:42] <fake> netrunner: so? rockplug checks for macio even if there is none. big deal. [13:42] <fake> besides, rockplug is horribly slow [13:42] <netrunner> fake: no. not with it's caching mechanism. [13:43] <owl> re [13:43] <mnemoc> i had to patch it to refresh cache after depmod [13:44] <daja77> netrunner: the problem I had yesterday, is the some fpr hotplug and rockplug, and i don't know how to fix that properly [13:45] <netrunner> daja77: what problem? *scrolling* [13:46] <daja77> it iterates over the devices according to their numbers, unfortunately the tv tuner card has a lower number than the soundcard, so that module gets loaded first, making it the first sound device, but it has no mixer, so sound is broken for kde e.g. [13:46] <daja77> atm I blacklisted that module and loading it manually afterwards ... [13:49] <netrunner> daja77: rockplug has a /etc/conf/pci where you can specify modules to be loaded first. [13:50] <daja77> you mean that static module list? [13:50] <netrunner> yes [13:50] <daja77> ic [13:51] <daja77> that'd be a long list ... [13:52] <netrunner> daja77: you only need it for modules you want to have laded explicitly before the others. [13:52] <daja77> ah ok then the description is a bit confusing [15:04] <fake> hm [15:05] <fake> isn't there a standard for user id's for system services like there is for port numbers? [15:05] <blindcoder> I don't think so [15:05] feistel (~feistel@200.69.223.249) joined #rocklinux. [15:05] <feistel> I need mirroring a filesystem to a backup server for HA, but DRBD is testing in Debian, [15:05] <blindcoder> some distributions start at UID 500 for users, others at 1000 [15:05] <feistel> How I can use ? [15:07] <blindcoder> you know, this is _not_ #debian [15:07] <feistel> yes [15:07] <blindcoder> what is DRBD, even? [15:07] <blindcoder> for filesystem mirroring I'd use mdadm [15:07] <feistel> DRBD is a soft which mirroring a filesystem in a lower level [15:07] <fake> dual redundant block device [15:08] <fake> it's a product of the firm clifford works at [15:08] <fake> it's open source, so product may be misleading [15:08] <feistel> fake, you use DRBD? [15:08] <blindcoder> fake: is it as cryptic as cliffords code? [15:08] <fake> feistel, no [15:08] <fake> blindcoder: it's not written by clifford [15:08] <blindcoder> fake: that was not my question :) [15:09] <fake> blindcoder: i haven't seen the code yet. [15:09] <blindcoder> fake: but it gives me hope :) [15:09] <fake> feistel: go and build drbd yourself, you don't want to be stuck with debian packages, do you? [15:10] <feistel> fake, but I need for a production server [15:10] <feistel> not for fun [15:11] <feistel> I only use stable packages on my debians [15:11] <blindcoder> then you want to use debian packages even less [15:11] <fake> feistel: so, what am i supposed to do? go and torture your favourite debian package maintainer, that'd be of more help! [15:11] <feistel> no only need advice about another mirroring software [15:12] <blindcoder> feistel: mdadm [15:12] <feistel> ok [15:12] <feistel> thanks [15:12] <fake> a mirroring software where there is a stable debian package for? [15:12] <blindcoder> feistel: but debian stable wight still use raidtools... [15:12] <fake> or a working, performant mirroring solution? [15:12] <fake> blindcoder: drbd = over network [15:12] <blindcoder> fake: ah, okay [15:12] <blindcoder> feistel: dd + netcat [15:12] <blindcoder> + cron [15:12] <fake> *rofl* [15:12] <feistel> blindcoder, yes I need a RAID LAN [15:13] <feistel> rsync? [15:13] <blindcoder> hmm [15:13] <feistel> over ssh? [15:13] <blindcoder> network block device? [15:13] <fake> if one nodes goes down, you'll be fscked. [15:13] <fake> *node [15:13] <fake> believe me, you want drbd. [15:13] <blindcoder> anyway, gotta go back to work [15:13] <feistel> yes, DRBD is the best, but is testing [15:16] <fake> drbd is not testing, kid [15:16] <fake> debian is junk and slow [15:16] <fake> drbd is used in many, many ha-clusters [15:17] <fake> (debian is slow = their release cycle is slow) [15:17] <feistel> ok [15:17] <fake> feistel: you could talk to clifford about this... [15:17] <fake> he has a word or two about debian.. [15:17] <fake> and the drbd package [15:18] <feistel> clifford, talk to me about debian and drbd [15:19] <fake> feistel: it may be a while until he shows up [15:19] <fake> feistel: he's holding a talk about spl today [15:19] <feistel> where? [15:27] <fake> eisenstadt [15:27] <fake> austria [15:28] <daja77> rofl [15:28] <daja77> i should quote [15:28] <daja77> that [15:28] <daja77> .oO (clifford please talk to me about debian) [15:51] <owl> .oO( thx for the evil word said. irssi understands regexp and could replace the word 'debian' into 'evil word', no? ;) [15:51] <mnemoc> yep [15:53] <owl> wonderful [16:57] <fake> dadida [17:12] <netrunner> didit [17:12] <fake> dow [17:13] <mnemoc> row row row your boat [17:13] <mnemoc> gently down the stream [17:14] <mnemoc> merrily merrily merrily merrily [17:14] <mnemoc> life is but a dream [17:14] <fake> if you see a crocodile [17:14] <fake> don't forget to scream [17:14] <mnemoc> :D [17:14] <fake> ;-) [17:20] [anders-mcafee] (~snafu@213.208.70.155) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:21] <netrunner> better show a gentoo flag, it will run away horrified ;) [17:22] <fake> huh? [17:24] <netrunner> the crocodile [17:25] <daja77> better show their fb console [17:26] <fake> every l337 h4x0r has kewl k-lored fr4mbuff0rz [17:27] <mnemoc> OT: is /etc/profile always loaded? [17:27] <daja77> hm i have a gentoo dvd here ... [17:27] <netrunner> mnemoc: nope. [17:28] <netrunner> mnemoc: I have a .bashrc that sources /etc/profile because of this. [17:28] <netrunner> mnemoc: I think, it is only sourced for login shells. [17:29] <fake> jep. [17:29] <mnemoc> ic [17:29] <fake> su -> no sourcing, so - -> sourcing [17:29] <fake> *su [17:30] <mnemoc> will it be auto-sourced even if i have a .profile or .bash_profile ? [17:31] <fake> not sure [17:33] <netrunner> mnemoc: after reading /etc/profile, it looks for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in that order, and reads and executes commands from the first one that exists and is readable. [17:33] <netrunner> (from man bash) [17:34] <mnemoc> thanks :) /me lazy [17:35] <fake> so am i. [17:38] treo (~xfman@Db123.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [17:39] <treo> hi [18:09] owl (~owl@karnaya.de) left irc: "...!" [18:11] SteffenP (steffen@pC19EA9F9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [18:16] feistel (~feistel@200.69.223.249) left irc: "Leaving" [19:28] Action: treo is away: AFK [19:53] Action: treo is back (gone 00:25:22) [21:21] <blindcoder> fake: make questions in the LiveCDFAQ for you [21:21] <blindcoder> guess I should add a message to send questions to the ML instead of adding them to the wiki [21:57] <fake> blindcoder: hum? [22:00] <blindcoder> fake: https://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/.diff/LiveCDFAQ?revold=203&revnew=204 [22:05] <fake> blindcoder: hard to answer ;) [22:08] <blindcoder> yeah, thought so [22:09] <blindcoder> that's why I think adding something like "Send questions you want answers within a week to <ML-Address>. Anything that can wait a month or two may be asked here." :) [22:15] <treo> gn8 [22:17] <blindcoder> that's the best idea I've heard all minute! [22:17] Action: blindcoder ->start_sleep_cycle(8*60*60); [22:23] treo (~xfman@Db123.d.pppool.de) left irc: "safe the Planet, kill yourself" [22:51] Action: netrunner just watched the sophie scholl movie. [22:52] <daja77> how is it? [22:53] Action: netrunner liked it. [22:56] <netrunner> no action there. [23:02] SteffenP (steffen@pC19EA9F9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [23:39] <mnemoc> how can i add spaces on a var_append space delimited? [23:39] <mnemoc> var_append makeopt ' ' "foo=-DFOO -DBAR" fails [23:39] <mnemoc> var_append makeopt ' ' "foo='-DFOO -DBAR'" fails [23:39] <mnemoc> same with \' and \" [00:00] --- Fri Feb 25 2005