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[03:22] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.21) joined #rocklinux. [03:23] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.50) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:46] netrunne1 (~andreas@pD9E8E538.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [07:04] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8E284.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:04] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner [07:35] Nick change: BoS^afk -> BoS [07:56] <blindcoder> fake: yes [11:38] <daja77> i should not mail to the list before the first coffee >_< [11:40] Action: netrunner still in bed :( [11:40] <daja77> :( [11:41] <netrunner> I shouldn't have mentioned too loud that I was so far the only one not affected by that flue :) [11:41] <fake> blindcoder: can you remember kawaii's domain? i forgot... [11:46] <netrunner> 2.6.11 [11:59] <blindcoder> fake: softpink-bubblegum [12:00] <blindcoder> .oO( why the fsck do I remember such stuff? ) [12:07] <th> blindcoder: because brains are non-erasable memory? [12:08] <blindcoder> th: the human brain sure has room for improvement there :/ [12:09] <th> blindcoder: send patch ;) [12:10] Action: blindcoder sends th a big butchers knife [12:10] <th> blindcoder: please send tested patches only. [12:11] <blindcoder> damn :) [12:17] <th> how can a c program get information about it's dynamic linked libraries? [12:17] <th> like a program knows against which version of libxml2 it is linked. [12:17] <blindcoder> th: guess that libxml2 offers a function to get the version [12:17] <th> without having to inject special symbols for version information into every lib [12:18] <th> i dont want a solution per library [12:18] <th> more like a filename for every lib [12:18] <blindcoder> th: stat'ing the filename of the library? [12:19] <th> blindcoder: how does the program know the filename? [12:19] <blindcoder> th: it knows the library it wants, goes through $LD_LIBRARY_PATH and there you have it :) [12:19] <th> it could perhaps run ldd on itself. but that smells bad [12:19] <blindcoder> well, that's the other solution :) [12:20] <blindcoder> great [12:20] <blindcoder> hwscan fails to detect each and every single pci id of the hardware I have [12:21] <daja77> hm anyone who had a failing xpdf package too? [12:21] <blindcoder> yes [12:21] <blindcoder> though I don't remember why [12:21] <daja77> a missing dvi file it say [12:22] <blindcoder> hmm [12:22] <blindcoder> no, I think that wasn't it [12:36] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-096-093.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:39] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-157-068.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [12:57] <netrunner> what can I use to record from my microphone? [12:57] <netrunner> krec starts artsd and does not record anything [12:58] <daja77> krec as I know it ... [12:58] <blindcoder> rec [12:59] <blindcoder> plain old simple rec [12:59] <netrunner> -bash: rec: command not found [12:59] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [12:59] <blindcoder> and don't forget to set your recording device to microphone [12:59] <blindcoder> netrunner: look in sonar [13:00] <blindcoder> sox: usr/bin/rec [13:00] <blindcoder> https://scavenger.homeip.net/ROCK/sonar/search.pl?action=search&dist=2.1.0-DEV-rev5083-reference&search=contains&text=bin%2Frec [13:02] <th> oh my god - i just noticed that libxml2's DOM is limited to 2bytes for line-information for nodes [13:02] <blindcoder> would it be embarassing to say that I have no idea what you're talking about? [13:03] <th> blindcoder: you know what a xml node is? [13:03] <blindcoder> I have a rudimentary understanding of xml [13:03] <th> thats more than enough [13:03] <th> a line number information is stored in that xml node. [13:04] <th> a line number like at which line in the input the node was found [13:04] <th> and that's limited to 65535 [13:04] <th> < DV> th: and that design is not negociable at this point [13:05] <netrunner> th: that may be the reason why our sm syncs always abort at a certain point. [13:05] <blindcoder> d'oh [13:05] <th> no [13:05] <th> the line information is not important [13:05] <th> it's only important for diagnostic output [13:05] <th> like "there is a xml validation error in line xyz" [13:05] <netrunner> ah ok. I only remember something about xml parse error [13:05] <th> so you wont get precise information about this if the line is > 65535 [13:06] <th> netrunner: it's not at parsing time. [13:06] <netrunner> oh? I am using v6? curl: (7) Failed to connect to 2001:770:18:2::1:2: Network is unreachable [13:12] <netrunner> hm, I am doing something wrong, sounds like from a metal drum :/ [13:47] kasal (kasal@ka23.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) joined #rocklinux. [13:48] <kasal> I apologize if the question is silly: does anyone use firefox here? When I compile 1.0 or 1.0.1, then the find feature doesn't work at all. [13:49] <kasal> Is it a known bug in firefox, or something in my system configuration? (That's why I ask here.) [13:49] <blindcoder> I'm using mozilla, sorry [13:50] <kasal> Another silly question before I compile it: can I just press / to start searching in mozilla? [13:51] <blindcoder> tdö [13:51] <blindcoder> yes [13:53] <kasal> Thank you, blindcoder. [13:54] <blindcoder> you're welcome [13:56] <th> kasal: yea [13:56] <th> kasal: that's a known bug. [13:57] <kasal> I thought it must be a known bug in firefox. [13:57] <th> sort of [13:57] <th> gimme a second. [13:57] <th> you give the --enable-extensions switch while building? [13:58] <th> and you propably have "typeaheadfind" in it? [13:58] <th> r4792 | teha | 2004-11-13 10:07:23 +0100 (Sat, 13 Nov 2004) | 6 lines [13:58] <th> Tobias Hintze <th@rock...>: [13:58] <th> updated firefox -> 1.0; [13:58] <th> removed typeaheadfind from --enable-extensions [13:58] <th> (it's now default and breaks if still given) [13:58] yesterday (~yesterday@200.69.223.249) joined #rocklinux. [13:58] <yesterday> hi [13:58] <yesterday> I need help [13:58] <yesterday> I dont write to /dev/null [13:59] <yesterday> I can create a directory o file in /dev/ [13:59] <th> .oO(where is our support staff?) [13:59] <yesterday> /dev/null have crw-rw-rw permissions [13:59] <yesterday> vacations [14:00] <kasal> th: thanx, that will be it -- I use an old rock tree and update only version numbers. [14:00] <th> kasal: see revision r4792. that changes the .conf [14:00] <th> -ac_add_options --enable-extensions=cookie,xml-rpc,xmlextras,pref,transformiix,universalchardet [14:00] <th> ,typeaheadfind,webservices,inspector,gnomevfs,negotiateauth [14:00] <th> ,webservices,inspector,gnomevfs,negotiateauth [14:00] <th> +ac_add_options --enable-extensions=cookie,xml-rpc,xmlextras,pref,transformiix,universalchardet [14:00] <blindcoder> yesterday: crw-rw-rw sounds right [14:01] <yesterday> yes but [14:01] <th> kasal: why did you only update version number? [14:01] <th> kasal: you know of ./scripts/Update-Src ? [14:01] <yesterday> echo something > /dev/null [14:01] <yesterday> denied [14:02] <yesterday> I can't mount filesystems [14:02] <yesterday> only root [14:02] <th> yesterday: on what fs is /dev? [14:02] <th> yesterday: and is it moutned read-only? [14:02] <yesterday> in root [14:02] <yesterday> no [14:02] <yesterday> I repeat [14:02] <kasal> th: I have a special "minimal" target in my old tree. And I haven't yet moved the whole tree past 2.0 [14:02] <yesterday> I can create a directory o file in /dev/ [14:02] <th> yesterday: missed that [14:03] <th> yesterday: ls -l /dev/null [14:03] <kasal> th: I know I should update, yet in this case I decided to ask for help anyway. [14:03] <yesterday> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2004-11-11 11:26 /dev/null [14:03] <yesterday> is not a trivial problem [14:05] <blindcoder> yesterday: what is mounted on /dev? [14:05] <th> yesterday: put "#!/bin/sh\necho foo > /dev/null" into a file; make it executable; strace it. [14:06] <th> open("/dev/null", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 3 [14:06] <th> dup2(3, 1) = 1 [14:06] <th> close(3) = 0 [14:06] <th> write(1, "foo\n", 4) = 4 [14:06] <th> and confirm this [14:06] <yesterday> ok [14:08] <yesterday> I dont have strace [14:08] <yesterday> blindcoder, nothing [14:09] <blindcoder> yesterday: ls -ld /dev [14:10] <th> yesterday: get strace [14:10] <yesterday> I can't [14:10] <th> sure? [14:10] <th> why? [14:10] <yesterday> I cant mount partitions [14:11] <th> do you have network? [14:11] <yesterday> yes [14:11] <th> do you have nfs? [14:11] <th> do you have ssh? [14:11] <yesterday> no [14:11] <th> do you have some writable space? [14:11] <blindcoder> yesterday: you are using a rock installation, no? [14:11] <yesterday> yes / is writable [14:11] <th> you can compile a static strace and copy it to the machine somehow [14:11] <netrunner> mount -o remount,rw /dev [14:11] <netrunner> :) [14:11] <blindcoder> netrunner: there is nothing mounted on dev [14:11] <th> netrunner: he said /dev is part of / [14:12] <blindcoder> mount -t devfs none /dev [14:12] <yesterday> ok, i try this [14:12] <netrunner> ok, didn't read each line ;) [14:13] <yesterday> devfs not supported [14:13] <blindcoder> yesterday: okay, what did you do prior to this? [14:13] <yesterday> dd [14:13] <blindcoder> dd? dd what? [14:13] <yesterday> I create a image of another disk [14:14] <blindcoder> how? [14:14] <yesterday> with dd [14:14] <yesterday> dd if=.. of=... [14:14] <blindcoder> are you sure you used the correct if= and of= parameters? [14:14] <yesterday> yes [14:15] <blindcoder> and after dd everything stopped working? [14:15] <yesterday> I can write to /dev, but I can't write to /dev/null, I am confused [14:15] <yesterday> yes [14:15] <yesterday> I can't write access to /dev/sdaX partitions, then I can't mount partitions [14:16] <yesterday> fdisk -l /dev/sda, dont work [14:16] <th> yesterday: so you have network but no ssh? [14:16] <th> yesterday: do you have wget, curl, whatever? [14:16] <yesterday> no, there are in /usr partition, which I cant mount [14:16] <th> yesterday: you really want to see the strace output [14:17] <th> yesterday: and no nfs? [14:17] <blindcoder> yesterday: do you have uudecode? [14:17] <yesterday> no nfs [14:17] <th> do you have /bin/cat? [14:17] <yesterday> yes! [14:17] <th> but propably no uudecode [14:17] <blindcoder> yesterday: what distribution are you using? [14:17] <blindcoder> that doesn't sound like a rock installation without devfs [14:18] <yesterday> I build my own kernel [14:18] <blindcoder> yesterday: on which distribution [14:18] <yesterday> i build my own kernel in debian and put this in my rock [14:18] <yesterday> work fine with another box [14:19] <blindcoder> yesterday: still have the old kernel? [14:19] <th> yesterday: you have awk? [14:19] <yesterday> how I can write in /dev/, but not in /dev/null or /dev/sdaX? [14:20] <yesterday> th, nothing below /usr [14:20] <th> yesterday: thats what strace might enlighten us about [14:20] <yesterday> blindcoder, no [14:20] <th> yesterday: my awk is in /bin [14:20] <blindcoder> yesterday: try deleting and recreating /dev/null [14:20] <blindcoder> yesterday: that's bad practice [14:21] <blindcoder> yesterday: always keep a known-good kernel when updating [14:21] <th> yesterday: you could use sed and or awk to create a sort of uudecode. than build strace and paste it into you uudecode [14:21] <th> yesterday: oh - do you have tar? [14:48] bc_ (~bc@BSN-77-153-239.dsl.siol.net) joined #rocklinux. [14:51] Nick change: bc_ -> bc [14:51] <blindcoder> ... [14:51] Nick change: bc -> bc- [14:51] <bc-> helo :) [14:52] <blindcoder> hi [14:52] <bc-> how's going [14:52] Action: blindcoder sleepy [14:52] <blindcoder> and somehow I feel like talking to myself right now... [14:52] <bc-> in dots? [14:52] <blindcoder> morse code, actually [14:53] <bc-> like ...__-- --_--..._ ..--__ [14:53] <bc-> :) [14:53] <blindcoder> dit dit daw dit dit daw daw daw dit daw [14:55] <bc-> morse -d doesn't work [14:55] <bc-> or i'm damn stupido to figure it out [14:56] <bc-> any news at rock? [15:00] <bc-> not many talky bots/ircers... :( [15:00] <bc-> except one morse zealot.... [15:00] <bc-> ... so far... [15:00] <blindcoder> lots of news [15:00] <blindcoder> when have you been here last? [15:00] <bc-> umm, before 3-4 years :) [15:01] <bc-> that was time i've used rock for the first time [15:01] <mnemoc_> 1.4? 1.5? [15:01] <bc-> 1.4 right [15:01] <bc-> 1.4.0 exactly... [15:01] <mnemoc_> rock has changed a lot :p [15:02] <bc-> yes i've noticed, i've used it everywhere where i needed linux [15:03] <bc-> sometimes it did pissed me off, because there wasn't some nifty minimal cd with a lot of hardware support and shell [15:03] <bc-> instead of that i was scared with some giant drock on 2-3 cds [15:03] <blindcoder> does getting wikispammed indicate any level of success of the wiki? [15:03] <blindcoder> bc-: what about the livecd? [15:04] <bc-> well in long era of 1.7-DEV there wasn't a lot of it [15:04] <blindcoder> bc-: there is now in the equally long era of 2.1-dev :) [15:04] <bc-> or it couldn't be found on official site :( [15:05] <blindcoder> cat /home/svn/rockdoc-subwiki/hooks/blacklist /home/svn/rockdoc-subwiki/hooks/myblacklist [15:05] <blindcoder> grmpg [15:05] <blindcoder> https://iso.rocklinux.de/default.php?dir=/unofficial/fake/ [15:05] <blindcoder> that's what happens when you're forced to use windows and used to X style of copy/paste [15:05] <bc-> :P [15:05] <th> bc-: there is an official minimal package selection distributed [15:06] <th> bc-: in the stable tree [15:06] <th> https://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/official/2.0-stable/2.0.3/buildbootstrap/ [15:07] <bc-> i'm suprised :) [15:07] <th> why is that? [15:07] <bc-> a bootstrap [15:07] <bc-> really nice [15:08] <bc-> what's that crystal stuff? some codename for 2.1? [15:08] <th> not quite [15:08] <th> blindcoder: do you have a wiki-link handy for that question? [15:09] <blindcoder> https://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/CrystalROCK [15:09] <blindcoder> not very elaborate, though [15:09] <blindcoder> https://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/CrystalEmu [15:09] <kasal> th: you said [15:09] <blindcoder> that might be better [15:09] <kasal> th: you said "there is an official minimal package selection distributed" [15:10] <th> kasal: yea i did. [15:10] <kasal> that's interesting; how can one use it? [15:10] <kasal> last time I checked (2.0 fresh new) [15:10] <th> kasal: either by extracting the packages and chrooting into it, or by installing from bootable iso [15:11] <kasal> yes, I mean something different. [15:11] <th> kasal: what do you mean? [15:11] Action: bc- thinks that wikidocs kicks ass [15:12] Action: bc- is willed to participate [15:12] <blindcoder> bc-: yeah, and we just had the first wikispam half an hour ago :) [15:12] <blindcoder> three submissions were blocked, but three more went through the filter :( [15:13] <bc-> oh :( [15:13] <blindcoder> blocklist now grown to 4058 urls [15:13] <blindcoder> domains, rather [15:13] <bc-> god damn it... is there any way to integrate that trick with typin' in a number from image before posting? [15:14] <blindcoder> captchas? [15:14] <bc-> s/posting/editing/ [15:14] <blindcoder> I'm not too fond of them [15:14] <blindcoder> since the wiki has a subversion backend it's really easy to undo this stuff [15:15] <blindcoder> this first spam lasted for about ten minutes :) [15:15] <bc-> was there any special gotchas why you've choosed subwiki? [15:15] <blindcoder> a subversion backend [15:15] <bc-> oh, that is... [15:15] Action: bc- slow typin' :( [15:15] <blindcoder> :) [15:16] <blindcoder> there was some discussion on the mailinglist about it and the general consens was that some people aren't fond of having to use a webbrowser to edit the files [15:16] <kasal> th: (sorry for the delay) I mean this: [15:16] <blindcoder> so we used a wiki with a svn backend [15:16] <kasal> I wanted to have a custom short list of packages. [15:16] <blindcoder> so everyone can use $EDITOR on the files [15:16] <th> kasal: so the bbs is a good start, i use it on some servers for myself [15:17] <th> kasal: but it's trivially easy to maintain your own package selection [15:17] <kasal> I hoped to use target generic, apply "minimal" pkg-list and then use the Config to edit the pkg list. [15:17] <bc-> blindcoder, i guess that you didn't had wikispam in mind? [15:17] <th> kasal: even to much overkill. have a look at the bbs pkgsel; just copy it and adapt it. [15:18] <blindcoder> bc-: not really until - I think it's been kasc - pointed it out to me [15:18] <kasal> But I discovered that this is not possible and I created a specialized target. (I started from router in my case.) [15:18] <blindcoder> bc-: I then searched a bit and came upon chongqed.org [15:18] <th> kasal: no need for target for that purpose. have a look at misc/pkgsel/ [15:18] <th> kasal: especially in a recent 2.0-stable checkout [15:18] <blindcoder> bc-: they maintain a list of perl regex of >4000 known wikispam websites. [15:19] <blindcoder> bc-: I then wrote a subversion pre-commit hook to check the content of the new page against that list and deny the commit if one matches [15:19] <kasal> I looked at that _then_ and it seemed unsufficient. I rush to look again... [15:21] <kasal> ... looked in trunk. [15:21] <th> kasal: bbs and crystal-emu are two package selections that select each package explicitly. [15:22] <th> kasal: that makes adaption very easy [15:22] <bc-> blindcoder, a bold plan... but not perfect [15:22] <bc-> because you have to rely on third party [15:23] <blindcoder> bc-: as long as it works, I'm fine with that [15:23] <bc-> obfuscated image or alt tag on/below/above submit button is permanent solution [15:24] <blindcoder> bc-: yes, but I really don't like that stuff. I think a wiki should be as easily editable as possible. [15:24] <kasal> th: yes, still the same: ugly, encouraging to move to other parts of tree, like targets/ [15:24] <th> kasal: what do you mean? [15:24] <blindcoder> bc-: anyway, I sent a mail to the mailing list if someone has other thoughts on that. [15:25] <kasal> th: it's unfortunate that you canot simply select individual packages in the menu [15:25] <blindcoder> kasal: sure you can [15:25] <kasal> ? [15:25] <th> blindcoder: but it's all about adding rules [15:25] <th> blindcoder: it's not easily guessable [15:25] <kasal> implemented after 2.0.1 [15:25] <blindcoder> th: X package [15:25] <blindcoder> th: isn't that hard, is it? [15:25] <kasal> Sure, I can, by adding rules. [15:26] <kasal> Is it documented? [15:26] <th> blindcoder: not if you know it [15:26] <kasal> Rene's book didn't mentioned it. [15:26] <th> kasal: forget this book [15:26] <th> kasal: add a question to wiki [15:26] <kasal> And wiki didn't existed back then, does it have better documentation? [15:26] <th> kasal: or even contribute the solution [15:27] <blindcoder> kasal: no. there's not much in the docs for distribution developers yet. [15:27] <blindcoder> this stuff is usually added on a per-demand basis [15:27] <kasal> (I know I should forget about the book, but it was not cursed yet back then, 1 yr ago.) [15:27] <blindcoder> kasal: add the question to wiki and/or mailinglist and it will be added [15:28] <kasal> I can switch myself to two modes: 1) pgm 2) clicking-user [15:28] <blindcoder> pgm? [15:28] <kasal> In mode 1), I'd like to edit a list of packages in vi. [15:28] <kasal> The new target, modified router, was OK. [15:29] <blindcoder> hmm [15:29] <kasal> But with pkgsel, I edited a file which Config then rewritten according to it's rules. [15:29] <blindcoder> I guess I could come up with a quick hack using ${EDITOR:-vi} to edit package selection [15:29] <th> blindcoder: that would be a good-to-have [15:29] <blindcoder> th: remind me about it after CLT [15:30] <th> blindcoder: good chances to come into 2.0.4 [15:30] <kasal> (The list can be "name the few you need" or it can be "X firefox" "O mozilla", but it has to be a text file which no script delets. [15:30] <kasal> ) [15:30] <mnemoc_> daja77: news about mike? [15:30] <blindcoder> kasal: suggestion: [15:30] <daja77> mnemoc_: no :( [15:30] <kasal> .. and when I start script/Config, I immediately switch to mode 2) clicking-user. [15:30] <blindcoder> kasal: a Config option "Edit package list with ${EDITOR:-vi}" [15:31] <blindcoder> kasal: then a file is created with all packages like this: [15:31] <blindcoder> # comment [15:31] <kasal> That means I expect a long dialog, listing all packages, where I can use arrows and spacebar to select. [15:31] <th> blindcoder: yea but what should the content look like [15:31] <blindcoder> # deactivated package [15:31] <th> blindcoder: propably not pkgsel.in [15:31] <blindcoder> activated package [15:31] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:31] <blindcoder> # deactiwated package [15:31] <blindcoder> and so on [15:31] <th> yea thats nice [15:31] <blindcoder> this file is then read again [15:31] <kasal> The file to edit can have "X" and "O [15:31] <th> the long dialog would be the other way to go [15:32] <th> kasal: perhaps you can implement it? shouldnt be too hard [15:32] <kasal> etc., but it shouldn't look like that sed script in minimal.in [15:32] <blindcoder> kasal: the dialog will have to wait until post-3.0 because for it to be usable Config has to be rewritten [15:32] <th> blindcoder: i don't think so. that can be implemented just like your "Edit package list with ${EDITOR:-vi}" [15:33] <kasal> Well, I came here to ask for help with firefox, ... [15:33] <th> kasal: you got your help ;) [15:33] <kasal> ... and when I was here, I decided to do some feedback. [15:33] <blindcoder> th: yes, but it's just a quick hack then. [15:33] <kasal> Definitely, thx for the help. [15:33] <blindcoder> kasal: you are invited to come here more often for feedback :) [15:33] <kasal> Hacking: the "rock" part of my todo list contains this: [15:34] <kasal> "1) rebuild the system (or use binaries, if you want to cheat)" [15:34] <kasal> "2) take the 2.0-rock-diff and extract various patches to submit" [15:35] <kasal> "3) start using sm and submit the old tiny patches" [15:35] <th> blindcoder: i'd like to have 2 working quick-hacks like the vi and long dialog ideas. [15:35] <blindcoder> th: *sigh* okay, remind me after CLT [15:35] <blindcoder> won't have time before that [15:35] <daja77> blindcoder: when you'll be here? [15:35] <kasal> _Then_ I'm ready for more rock hacking. As I know myself, it'll take many months. [15:36] <blindcoder> daja77: I'll leave Berlin early Saturday. Guess I'll leave around 5AM [15:36] <th> blindcoder: i've only bad infrastructure for reminding even myself. but i'll try. [15:36] <kasal> So it's not good to wait for me.... [15:36] <blindcoder> th: thanks :) [15:36] <blindcoder> kasal: still would ROCK :-) [15:36] <kasal> But I'll be happy to do it, when the time comes... ;-) [15:36] <daja77> oh saturday [15:37] <th> kasal: you don't need to use sm [15:37] <daja77> is there anybody from rock there on friday? [15:37] <blindcoder> daja77: so if all goes well I'll arrive between 07:30 AM and 08:00 AM [15:37] <th> kasal: i'm the 2.0-stable maintainer and never used sm besides the web-interface [15:37] <blindcoder> daja77: I thought it starts on Saturday? [15:37] <daja77> the event yes [15:37] <daja77> but preparations are on friday [15:38] <blindcoder> hmm [15:38] <kasal> th: Why you don't use sm? It looks so nice. [15:38] <blindcoder> I only get the posters late friday :( [15:38] <th> kasal: people are swearing regulary. [15:38] <kasal> I planned to use trunk and submit patches via sm. [15:38] <th> kasal: svn is nice enough for me. [15:39] <blindcoder> if you don't want to use sm, there's a nice alternative on https://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/SubmittingPatches [15:39] <kasal> I _do_ want to use sm. [15:40] <blindcoder> oh, okay :) [15:40] <th> blindcoder: why checking out two versions and not using "svn diff"? [15:40] <kasal> I think that a formalized way to review patches is very good. [15:40] <blindcoder> th: back then submaster choked on the ===== lines of svn diff [15:40] <th> kasal: i backup _this_ [15:40] <kasal> And I have strange feelings when I submit my "cleanup" or "typos" patches to bugzilla (for other projects). [15:40] <mnemoc_> misc/archive/compare.sh can help you a bit [15:40] <blindcoder> that should be corrected [15:41] <th> mnemoc_: i love that one ;-) [15:41] <kasal> "choked on ===" yes, sm is an isolated hack [15:41] <mnemoc_> th: great to know you use it :) [15:41] <kasal> but it addresses an important need [15:41] <blindcoder> kasal: it was the webinterface that choked [15:42] <kasal> but is there any way to _see_ the patches besides the web intfce? [15:43] <kasal> th: About 2.0. You said you don't use sm. Is sm ready to support several branches? Or even several packages? [15:46] <kasal> th: yes, firefox compiled, searching works! Thank you very much for the hint! [15:48] <th> kasal: i doubt that [15:48] <th> (the sm) [15:49] <th> kasal: in fact i have a very limited number of small scripts that i use. [15:49] <mnemoc_> sm only support tree-roots [15:49] <th> kasal: e.g. "smview: smcat $* | view -c 'set syntax=diff' -" [15:50] <th> kasal: e.g.: "smcat: (cd /usr/src/rock-src;./scripts/Download -sm $*)" [15:50] <th> kasal: i had a small script for "./scripts/Download -sm" but then i integrated it in Download [15:51] <kasal> th: Isn't it that 2.0 is going more advanced then trunk in some aspects? [15:51] <th> so applying a patch is just smcat SM_ID | patch -p0 [15:51] <th> kasal: no. [15:51] <kasal> that's good, thanks. [15:51] <th> kasal: that was the case when rene had maintainership, i think [15:52] <mnemoc_> .oO [15:52] <th> kasal: but now i'm the maintainer - and i follow a strict policy wrt this. [15:52] <kasal> So in fact, I believe that one king, like you, is good for the stable branch. [15:52] <kasal> And sm is not needed. [15:53] <th> i don't consider me a king [15:53] <th> ;> [15:53] <kasal> But I'll rather try to install trunk on my comp and live with that, [15:53] <th> but i guess i know what you meant [15:53] <kasal> Yes, His Majesty. [15:53] <kasal> ... and submit patches for trunk to sm. [15:54] <th> and consider proposing merge-back for stable too! [15:54] <th> if apropriate [15:54] <kasal> ... until the trunk-ROCK eats my non-backupped data. ;-) [15:55] <kasal> Yes, I'll remember the king of the neighbour kingdom. ;-) [16:00] yesterday (~yesterday@200.69.223.249) left irc: "Leaving" [16:01] <daja77> hm yesterday has quit, praise today [16:01] <mnemoc_> *g* [16:09] <bc-> is it serious? [16:11] Nick change: kasal -> kasal_afk [16:12] <blindcoder> no :) [16:13] <netrunner> blindcoder: https://groups.google.de/groups?selm=43992.192.223.163.6.1102962055.squirrel%40weirichhouse.org [16:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: tough [16:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: the spammer had a reverse lookup [16:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: and we don't have preferences to be set in the wiki [16:17] <daja77> [anders]: ping [16:19] <mnemoc_> daja77: i asked a friend of him on brazil and he doesn't have his number and haven't 'seen' him in two month [16:21] <daja77> wtf has happened there [16:22] <daja77> ok i'll tell them that the talk will possibly not be held by him [16:23] <mnemoc_> sad but seems to be true [16:23] <daja77> he should land here today [16:23] kasal_afk (kasal@ka23.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:23] <blindcoder> hope he will [16:24] <daja77> blindcoder: there are no messages from him for 4 weeks ... [16:24] <daja77> i don't even know which flight that would be [16:24] <blindcoder> wasn't he here on IRC just recently? [16:25] <daja77> could you grad some logs? [16:25] <daja77> grep [16:25] <blindcoder> I don't have access to the server. th? [16:27] <th> sup? [16:28] <mnemoc_> daja77: Feb 14 [16:28] <mnemoc_> 02:52:37ùíù madtux [~mike@65.182.14.165] has joined #rocklinux [16:28] <mnemoc_> 02:52:38<madtux> yo [16:28] <mnemoc_> 03:52:43<blindcoder> moin [16:28] <mnemoc_> 03:55:37<madtux> yar [16:28] <mnemoc_> 04:47:06ùíù Signoff madtux: #rocklinux ("Leaving") [16:28] <daja77> that's 2 weeks ago [16:29] <blindcoder> th: we're searching for the most recent occurance of madtux on #rocklinux [16:29] <mnemoc_> <madtux> [16:30] <daja77> ? [16:31] <mnemoc_> <madtux> instead of madtux [16:31] <mnemoc_> because you have used his name [16:31] <daja77> ic [16:32] <netrunner> 2005-02-14.log:06:53 < madtux> yo [16:32] <netrunner> 2005-02-14.log:07:56 < madtux> yar [16:32] <mnemoc_> the same i showed :) [16:32] <netrunner> oh, that's the same :) [16:33] <blindcoder> maybe they got him for using VoIP [16:33] <mnemoc_> :) [16:33] <mnemoc_> he found a german friend who ate him with chilean wine :\ [16:34] <daja77> ? [16:36] <mnemoc_> /ignore mnemoc_ [16:37] <mnemoc_> i just remembered that weird thing i saw on the news last year [16:37] <daja77> :) [16:45] <blindcoder> Last Seen: Mon Feb 21 09:36:47 2005 [16:45] <blindcoder> madtux on ICQ [16:48] <daja77> hm [16:48] <daja77> did he tell sth about the flight? 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[22:20] Action: daja77 yawns into the chan [22:24] <mnemoc_> *yawn* [22:24] <daja77> :)= [22:24] <treo> gn8 [22:25] treo (~xfman@Dd78b.d.pppool.de) left irc: "safe the Planet, kill yourself" [22:44] SteffenP (steffen@p5499423B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [23:19] <daja77> args why is it downloading wesnoth now >_< [00:00] --- Fri Mar 4 2005