[00:17] <Freak> gnarf. immer diese verteilten irc-clients, die dann unterschiedliche autojoins haben...
[00:17] <Freak> soviel dazu, dass ich nicht mehr in #rocklinux bin, _hannes 
[00:18] <Freak> ;)
[00:34] <daja77> *ggg*
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[00:49] <daja77> .oO (clifford will beat me for that)
[00:58] <_hannes> Freak: ;)
[00:58] <_hannes> btw. someone interested to come to gpn4 to karlsruhe?
[00:59] <_hannes> www.entropia.de/wiki/GPN4
[01:00] <Freak> daja77: for *ggg*ing?
[01:00] <Freak> _hannes: :)
[01:03] <_hannes> Freak: :
[01:04] <_hannes> Freak: }
[01:06] <daja77> hi _hannes 
[01:06] <daja77> Freak: nope ^^
[01:06] <_hannes> hi daja77 
[01:06] <Freak> _hannes: I'm trying to figure something out for the freakin text.. but its hard..
[01:06] <Freak> I cant really focus on it
[01:06] <Freak> daja77: so what then
[01:06] <_hannes> hard to write in chaos-style?
[01:07] <daja77> fixing gcc40 for stage 1 in a dirty way, but well let's see if it works before discussing details
[01:07] <Freak> _hannes: maybe
[01:10] <_hannes> daja77: good luck!
[01:10] <daja77> thx
[01:11] <Freak> _hannes: is it "Duff's Device" or "ein Duff's Device"?
[01:12] <Freak> whatEVER that is (besides the part of what I understoof of what you explained to me :)
[01:12] <Freak> s/oof/ood/;
[01:14] <_hannes> Freak: it's really simple. just google for it on the web
[01:15] <daja77> hm gcc40 built ... but strace failed ^^
[01:15] <_hannes> O_o
[01:15] <_hannes> why?
[01:15] <daja77> just checking
[01:17] <daja77> hm
[01:21] <_hannes> nothing found?
[01:23] <daja77> oh sure, a glibc header is missing ...
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[01:44] <centrinia> should i patch target/livecd/pkg_linux.conf so that it recognizes that squashfs2.1-fake/linux- is actually in squashfs2.1-fake/linux-
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[08:23] <blindcoder> moin
[08:35] <_hannes> hi blindcoder 
[08:35] <_hannes> btw: were some activities in the past regarding rocklinux and linuxtag?
[08:38] <blindcoder> chemnitz, yes
[08:38] <blindcoder> or which linuxtag do you mean?
[08:38] <_hannes> the linuxtag in karlsruhe
[08:39] <blindcoder> hmm
[08:39] <blindcoder> I think daja77 has something about that
[08:39] <blindcoder> why do you ask?
[08:39] <_hannes> otherwise i would handle that now
[08:39] <th> i'm still confused a bit. can someone tell me why bash's "read" wont read when fed from echo? ( echo foo | read bar )
[08:40] <blindcoder> th: read bar < <( echo foo )
[08:41] <blindcoder> _hannes: ask daja77. I think he did something, but I'm not sure
[08:47] <th> blindcoder: and what's the difference?
[08:47] <th> blindcoder: of course i always found alternatives which work - but i wanted to know why piping did not work
[08:50] <blindcoder> th: I'm not exactly sure but I think that with piping a second bash process is spawned and the variable only is valid withn that process but not within the current one
[08:50] <blindcoder> I could be totally wrong, though
[08:51] <th> blindcoder: interesting idea
[08:51] <th> that might be true
[08:51] <blindcoder> btw, anyone got an idea why CONFIG_INPUT is totally broken on sparc64 in linux 2.6?
[08:51] <th> still "... | while read foo "  makes sense. cause the whole loop is in that shell
[09:24] <netrunner> GNA
[09:24] Action: netrunner receiving automated bounces from SMP 
[09:25] <netrunner> moin btw, http://www.meteo.physik.uni-muenchen.de/mesomikro/stadt/temp.png
[09:30] <blindcoder> moin netrunner 
[09:30] <blindcoder> and that tells me... what?
[09:32] <_hannes> moin netrunner 
[09:32] <_hannes> blindcoder: it
[09:33] <_hannes> oops
[09:33] <_hannes> blindcoder: it' hot outsider :}
[09:42] <blindcoder> outside? outside what?
[09:43] <_hannes> you know, the real world out there
[09:44] <blindcoder> oh, the thing I haven't visited for months
[09:47] <_hannes> there were food and so on come in
[09:47] <_hannes> :}
[09:47] <th> what the fsck are you talking about, guys?
[09:49] <_hannes> hey, you know what i'm talking about
[09:49] <blindcoder> _hannes: I order my food online
[09:49] <_hannes> stand up get your laptops+wlan and sit somewhere outside
[09:50] <blindcoder> or call the next burger king for a delivery
[09:50] <_hannes> it's really cool, espacially in the evenings
[09:50] Action: blindcoder gets his wlan and sits outside his kitchen
[09:50] <_hannes> blindcoder: you don't! (i hope)
[09:50] <blindcoder> It's not very comfortable.
[09:50] <blindcoder> _hannes: well, no, I really don't
[09:50] <blindcoder> but I really haven't been out in months other than to kendo training
[09:52] <blindcoder> the people I met with here in Berlin don't want to meet me anymore after we met once and going somewhere alone just sucks
[10:13] Action: netrunner thinking about getting the dsl flat with fixed ip from vianetworks ...
[10:13] <blindcoder> I'd rather get the one from tal.de
[10:16] <netrunner> blindcoder: on the first sight they don't offer flatrates. and 5eur per gb is expensive imho
[10:20] <blindcoder> oh, flat
[10:20] <blindcoder> sorry, skipped that
[10:38] <_hannes> ok, we have booth A117 at linuxtag, karlsruhe
[10:38] <_hannes> http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/events/LinuxTag2004/projects.php3
[10:38] <_hannes> Freak: thx
[10:39] <blindcoder> _hannes: you'll be there?
[10:39] <_hannes> blindcoder: of course ;)
[10:39] <blindcoder> _hannes: want our posters from CLT?
[10:39] <blindcoder> http://scavenger.homeip.net/bilder/cgi-bin/view.sh?WORKDIR=/home/www/bilder/2005-03-06_Chemnitzer_Linux_Tag;id=IMG_1892.jpg;SIZE=640x480
[10:39] <_hannes> yeah, would be cool
[10:40] <_hannes> blindcoder: are you there?
[10:40] <blindcoder> _hannes: you know that you linke the LT2004?
[10:40] <blindcoder> _hannes: probably, maybe only the weekend
[10:41] <blindcoder> http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/events/LinuxTag2005/projects.php3
[10:41] <blindcoder> hm
[10:41] <blindcoder> oops
[10:41] <_hannes> :}
[10:41] <blindcoder> still, on the 2005 sites we're not mentioned
[10:41] <_hannes> jeah
[10:41] <_hannes> wait a second
[10:43] <Freak> ARGH
[10:43] <Freak> sry!
[10:44] <Freak> okay guys so pls send mail to joey.
[10:44] <_hannes> ok, i'll do
[11:10] <SMP> Error logs from server-TRUNK-x86-pentium3-32-planer-expert:
[11:10] <SMP> 222 builds total, 222 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[11:10] <daja77> nice
[11:10] <th> "planer"?
[11:11] <SMP> Engl. for "Hobel"
[11:11] <th> k
[11:11] <th> how big is the pkg-set?
[11:11] <th> i guess there is no X in it, right?
[11:12] <SMP> 188M    build/server-TRUNK-x86-pentium3-32-planer-expert/ROCK/pkgs_sel
[11:12] <th> still no smf i suppose...
[11:13] <SMP> no, pretty plain trunk, just custom pkgsel
[11:13] <SMP> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        12132 May  2 09:15 current.diff
[11:14] <SMP> th: I need udev in rescue *whine* ;-\
[11:14] <SMP> and I mean not just the package
[11:14] <th> SMP: i'd like that too
[11:15] <SMP> system("/sbin/udevstart");
[11:15] <SMP> ?
[11:15] <th> SMP: i'd even like to put that in something like 2.2-stable
[11:15] <daja77> working udev on trunk, that would rock :)
[11:15] <th> i thought it DOES work?
[11:16] <SMP> well, it does for me ...
[11:16] <th> daja77: did you test?
[11:16] <daja77> 8 weeks ago iirc
[11:16] <th> SMP: and that /dev/discs/ mess you propably remember is NOT caused by nbd
[11:17] <th> SMP: and it's not fixed by adding a r/nbd.*/ filter to lvm.conf
[11:17] <SMP> oh. what does cause it?
[11:17] <th> SMP: must be the scanning for pv's
[11:17] <th> s/pv/vg/
[11:17] <th> SMP: perhaps only when devfsd is not running
[11:18] <th> SMP: but it's reproducable.
[11:18] <th> SMP: and there is even no nbd in kernel
[11:18] <th> i always create my own lvm.conf with scan = ["/dev/ide", "/dev/scsi"] now
[11:18] <SMP> hmmm
[11:19] <th> one more reason for udev in rescue
[11:20] <th> SMP: do we need the userspace daemon for udev in rescue?
[11:21] <SMP> yeah, well, kind of
[11:21] <th> SMP: or can we somehow populate /dev in one shot
[11:23] <th> SMP: what do you think of first bringing udev to stable?
[11:23] <SMP> udevstart does that, but it also starts the udevd
[11:24] <th> perhaps we can link udevd to /bin/true
[11:25] <SMP> whaah. I need a rescue target, the installer target sucks
[11:25] <th> i always use rescue to install ;)
[11:25] <SMP> see above, I need udev
[11:25] <th> see above and anser my question ;)
[11:26] <SMP> the one about udev in stable? I don't care
[11:26] <th> yea that one.
[11:26] <SMP> but it's probably a good idea
[11:26] <th> k
[11:26] <th> so do i have your support?
[11:27] <SMP> I fear stable will live longer than devfs in the kernel ;)
[11:27] <SMP> you have everything as, long as I get a working udev in rescue FAST ;>
[11:27] <th> the current stable-trunk gap is to huge
[11:28] <th> perhaps we need switch to 2.6 for stable
[11:29] <SMP> er. no need to
[11:31] <th> ...pity...
[11:32] <th> but we need /sys, no?
[11:33] <SMP> yes. so no udev unless running on 2.6
[11:34] <th> ahh so we need 2.6 but don't need it as default.
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[13:41] <clifford> http://www.rocklinux.net/pipermail/spl/2005-May/000057.html
[13:41] <clifford> .. now SPL has some regex features which are not even in perl yet.  ;-)
[13:42] <daja77> hi clifford 
[13:42] <clifford> hi daja
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[14:13] <_hannes> re
[14:13] <daja77> wb
[14:15] <blindcoder> re _hannes 
[14:31] <_hannes> fuck. we're very late with the registration to linuxtag :/
[14:37] <SMP> interesting. mine -i -R /mnt/target -v *.gem dies with signal 9
[14:38] <blindcoder> 9? Isn't that KILL?
[14:38] <th> yea
[14:38] <blindcoder> oh
[14:38] <blindcoder> well... I can't remember a program killing itself with that
[14:38] <SMP> ah. OOM probably
[14:38] <th> SMP: you're propably out of memory ;)
[14:38] <SMP> heh
[14:38] <th> heh
[14:39] <th> i had too many OOM conditions lately
[14:39] <th> i really dont understand how linux kernel swap's
[14:39] <blindcoder> OOM dies with 9?
[14:39] <th> blindcoder: yes
[14:39] <th> blindcoder: well
[14:40] <th> blindcoder: it does not DIE it get's KILLed by kernel
[14:40] <blindcoder> yeah :)
[14:40] <th> it's not always the requesting process
[14:40] <blindcoder> my last OOM was on a 256 MB machine where the HD having the swap device died
[14:41] <th> i had OOM's last week with tons of free swap
[14:41] <blindcoder> I remember something marking memory as unswappable
[14:41] <blindcoder> though I'm not sure how and/or where this could be done
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[15:29] <daja77> hi mnemoc 
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[15:43] <treo> hi
[15:43] <daja77> hi treo 
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[16:37] <mnemoc> SMP: why do you want mono at /usr ?
[16:56] <SMP> why do you want it in /opt/mono ? ;)
[16:57] <SMP> last devmeeting we decided we'd want to move away from /opt for anything that's not considered a 'subsystem'. mono might or might not count as such
[16:58] <SMP> besides, now (unlike early versions) it fits quite nicely into /usr
[16:59] <mnemoc> i do consider it a subsytem :) but i have no problems with that
[17:00] <SMP> I personally hate it when distributions ship their stuff under /opt, but that's just me ;)
[17:01] <mnemoc> why mono is not a 'subsystem' to you? what about java?
[17:02] <netrunner> anyone experience with motorola v3 (mobile phone)?
[17:02] <SMP> java is just to obscure to fit into /usr - besides, most of the time you need several versions in parallell anyway
[17:03] <daja77> .oO (not putting gnome under /opt would make some things easier)
[17:03] <mnemoc> daja77: ack
[17:04] <SMP> mono fits quite nicely and I'd like see that obscure "it lives in /opt, it's not really part of the system" feeling go away. mono should just be there, it's not much more magical than libstdc++ is ...
[17:05] Action: clifford just wrote a simple .net app - but I'm afraid it won't work with mono..
[17:05] <mnemoc> it weight a bit more than libstdc++ :)
[17:06] <centrinia> can the LiveCD be used as a root for a network boot?
[17:07] <SMP> daja77: that isn't actually such a huge problem I built gnome, gnome2 and kde into /usr last year, and only three or four unimportant packages had problems (shared files)
[17:08] <SMP> mnemoc: it isn't - at least until we stop shipping libstdc++ as part of the gcc package ;->
[17:08] <treo> netrunner: I have a v3
[17:08] <daja77> so should I send patches to change the prefixes?
[17:08] <treo> in the first week people asked me wether it is a cell phone or someother thing
[17:09] <SMP> daja77: test first, post results, listen to people's opinions
[17:09] <daja77> ok
[17:09] <netrunner> treo: have you ever been short on memory? afaik there is only 5MB and no possibility to extend ...
[17:09] <netrunner> treo: i.e. would you recommend it?
[17:10] <treo> For people like me it is enough
[17:10] <treo> I made some pics and moved them via bluetooth on my machine, and the only java program on it is jimm
[17:11] <netrunner> treo: main thing I want is long uptime. I had some fancy phone and it wanted recharging every day, that sucks.
[17:11] <netrunner> my t68i to which I then switched back runs almost a week.
[17:12] <treo> uptime is quite good, but as I often use jimm (it is an instant messenger) it sometimes goes down quite fast
[17:12] <SMP> clifford: why not on mono. classlib is missing only obscure APIs, and MWF (managed SWF impl.) is getting more and more complete
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[17:16] <SMP> huh
[17:16] <daja77> good consideration ;)
[17:16] <clifford> SMP: Its using FileSystemEventHandler from System.IO. for recursively monitoring a directory tree. Is that API available with mono/linux ?
[17:17] <SMP> echo "Using \$base/config/\$config.$swpid/linux.cfg." <- what's that $swpid doing there?
[17:18] <SMP> clifford: you mean System.IO.FileSystemWatcher -- yes, there are even two implementation ;-)
[17:20] <clifford> SMP: hmm. I guess the $swpid is a bug
[17:21] <clifford> (That a config tool internal variable so the config tool creates the config in a seperate dir and then "swaps" it over.
[17:22] <clifford> .. but this is bogus in a package build. Do you create a patch?
[17:23] <SMP> I yanked it in my linux.conf - now testing
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[17:34] <daja77> hmpf
[17:34] <daja77> just now he quits ;)
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[18:52] <daja77> wb clifford 
[18:53] <clifford> wb = Warner Brothers ?
[18:53] <daja77> welcome back 
[18:54] <daja77> :)
[18:54] <th> wannabe broth
[18:54] <clifford> ahh!  ;-)
[18:54] <netrunner> wichtiger buerger
[18:54] <netrunner> oh, thats ELANG :)
[18:55] <daja77> hehe
[18:56] <netrunner> damn, my favourite camping place is already full :(
[19:15] <clifford> does anyone know the status of the linux-drm module ?
[19:16] <blindcoder> digital r{estriction,ights} management?
[19:16] <clifford> afais it is part of linux-2.6 and there is not much sense in keeping the old cvs package ..
[19:16] <clifford> linux direct rendering module
[19:17] <blindcoder> ah
[19:17] <blindcoder> no, sorry
[19:17] <clifford> the kernel part of dri
[19:17] <blindcoder> hmm
[19:17] <blindcoder> using nvidia here, no idea about that
[19:17] <clifford> http://www.rocklinux.net/packages/linux-drm.html
[19:18] <blindcoder> hmm
[19:18] <blindcoder> okay, nothing I need, so sorry, no idea about that
[19:18] <blindcoder> I just know that linux 2.6 is impossible to build for sparc64 (at least if you want to use keyboard/mouse)
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[21:02] <uninvit3d> hello
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[21:03] <blindcoder> hi uninvit3d, netcrow 
[21:03] <netcrow> hiho
[21:03] <blindcoder> hiho, hiho. It's off to work we go.
[21:04] <netcrow> heeh
[21:04] <netcrow> hehe
[21:06] <_hannes> re
[21:06] <_hannes> uninvit3d: O_o
[21:07] <uninvit3d> hannes, hi ho !
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