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[00:01] <daja77> yes soem dev discussion are done via submaster [00:03] <armijn> heh [00:04] <armijn> funky [00:04] <daja77> what are you doing now? long time no read [00:06] <armijn> no ROCK stuff ;-) [00:06] <daja77> really? what a surprise ... [00:06] <armijn> I decided to speed up my MSc stuff...again [00:06] <daja77> msc? [00:07] <armijn> so I'm doing that kind of fulltime now [00:07] <armijn> MSc [00:07] <daja77> ms consultant sth? [00:07] <armijn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSc [00:07] <daja77> ah ok [00:08] <daja77> sry ^^ [00:08] <daja77> not that familiar with english degrees (or better english names for degrees) [00:10] <armijn> well, it has all been "standardized" in the EU now [00:10] <daja77> sort of [00:10] <daja77> I am still working on a diploma [00:11] <armijn> exactly, "sort of" [00:12] <daja77> what topic are you working on? [00:12] <armijn> working on a proof of concept Linux distro for a build system we've been working on [00:13] <daja77> ic [00:13] <daja77> are you at the wth? [00:13] <armijn> nope [00:14] <daja77> i had no time for it unfortunately [00:14] <armijn> they were soaked [00:14] <armijn> there was *a lot* of rain [00:14] <armijn> and no good drainage [00:16] <daja77> oh [00:16] <armijn> I was there on wednesday to drop off some stuff [00:17] <armijn> and that was before the really heavy showers [00:18] <daja77> I am not that much into camping anyway [00:19] <armijn> same [00:19] <daja77> :) [00:22] <armijn> I should go to bed [00:22] <armijn> tired...and people want me to be at uni at 8am...so train at 7am...so up at 6am... [00:22] <daja77> gn8 ;) [00:24] <armijn> nn [00:24] armijn (~armijn@losser.labs.cs.uu.nl) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?" [03:54] kasc_ (kasc@dsl-082-083-058-045.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. 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[09:44] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.72) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:06] <clifford> moin [11:13] <daja77> moin clifford [11:31] <blindcoder> moin moin [14:27] <blindcoder> hmm [14:28] <blindcoder> somehow my at seems fucked [15:51] <SMP> if you're from Europe, look at www.redhat.com - rightmost graphic ... [15:51] <blindcoder> ehm [15:51] <blindcoder> worldwide... and then three stars in central-europe? [15:52] <blindcoder> AAAH [15:52] <blindcoder> that map is a bit outdated [15:54] <daja77> irish stock exchange ... [15:55] <daja77> theora videos,nice [15:56] <blindcoder> daja77: ehm, look at the image [15:56] <blindcoder> https://www.redhat.com/g/promos/second_intelvid_050726.png [15:56] <blindcoder> and tell us what's wrong with it [15:58] <th> uhh [15:58] <th> capital is bonn, hmm? [15:58] <blindcoder> not to speak of the DDR :) [15:59] <th> GDR that is in LANG=en ;) [15:59] <mnemoc_> :) [15:59] <blindcoder> *shrug* [15:59] Action: blindcoder goes back to programming a website in .sh [15:59] <daja77> oh haven't looked at this [16:01] <SMP> blindcoder: that's nice, but I once wrote a whole webserver in .sh ;-> [16:01] <blindcoder> SMP: well, you have to start somewhere :) [16:02] <blindcoder> SMP: besides, I want to do this for fun, not masochism [16:02] <daja77> this is the same ;) [16:02] <th> i was about to say the same [16:02] <SMP> oh, I sure did that for fun. [16:03] <SMP> speaking of masochism .. anyone used an IoC container on the .NET (incl. Mono) platform here? ;) [16:03] <th> whats [16:03] <th> what's IoC? [16:03] <SMP> Inversion of Control [16:04] <th> i thought it would be something olympic ;) [16:04] <blindcoder> inversion of control? like moving up to pilot down? [16:04] <th> heh [16:05] SteffenP (steffen@p549940C8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [16:08] <SMP> it's a way of assembling components into an application, where the container assembles and configures components and their dependencies by a declaration [16:10] Nick change: mnemoc_ -> mnemoc [16:11] <SMP> so components have their dependencies injected by the container (there's the inversion of control) instead of instanciating objects themselves or getting them from singletons [16:12] Action: blindcoder tries - and fails - to look like he understands and creeps back into the shadows [16:14] <th> that's all because he talks in "components" and "containers" [16:15] <blindcoder> anyway, gotta do some practical stuff like shopping [16:41] <clifford> *argwl* netrunner: ping! ping! [16:41] <daja77> oh blindy packaged widelands [16:42] <daja77> clifford: why don't we want to ship linux src on crystal? [16:43] <clifford> daja77: on crystal ISOs. you can still install it from a gem server.. [16:43] <clifford> with linux-src it doesn't fit on a 700 MB CD anymore. [16:43] <daja77> ic [16:44] <daja77> i was just wondering because I always have to rebuild the kernel .. [16:45] <clifford> yep. I also do that. but on the other hand we are very unlikely to have the latest kernel sources on the ISOs anyways.. [16:46] <daja77> good point [16:48] <clifford> daja77: how are your SPL experiments going? [16:49] <daja77> think I just found a bug [16:49] <clifford> cool! what is it? [16:49] <daja77> unshift adds elements to the end of the array [16:50] <daja77> hm wait [16:50] <clifford> hmm??? so unshift and push are doing the same thing? [16:50] <daja77> yes [16:50] <daja77> I prepared a little test [16:53] <clifford> hmm... exec.c:1320 -> here is the push/unshift check [16:53] <clifford> I want to see this testcase. ;-) [16:55] <clifford> daja77: yep. looks like you are right... [16:56] <daja77> ok :) [17:01] <clifford> ahhh! ok... that is not a bug. [17:02] <daja77> a feature? [17:02] <clifford> From the README.LANG file: [17:03] <clifford> The push instruction adds an element to the end of the array, unshift to the [17:03] <clifford> beginning. The difference between these instructions is in the position the new [17:03] <clifford> element will have in the array, not in the key which is assigned to it. The key [17:03] <clifford> is the next integer value in both cases. [17:03] <daja77> so this differs from perl's unshift [17:04] <clifford> if you want the keys to represent the order of the elements in the array, load the "array" module and run array_reindex() on the array. [17:04] <daja77> ok that will do fine [17:04] <daja77> so that order is determined by pointers [17:05] <clifford> the SPL node type can't be compared with the perl array, hash and scalar types.. [17:05] <daja77> ok [17:05] <clifford> each SPL node (aka variable) has a double-linked list of child nodes. [17:06] <clifford> this double-linked list is also indexed using a hash to assoziate keys to all elements of the list. [17:06] <daja77> is there a way of doing some lookahead to the first element without removing it and perhaps saving an expensive rebuilding? [17:07] <clifford> sure: the instructions "next" and "prev" give you the next or previous index relative to the index passed as argument. simply pass undef to get the first or last index. [17:07] <clifford> this two one-liners are equivialent: [17:08] <clifford> foreach i (array) debug array[i]; [17:09] <clifford> for (var i = next array, undef; defined i; i = next array, i) debug array[i]; [17:11] <clifford> see www.clifford.at/spl/manual.pdf (pages 16 and 17) *g* [17:13] <daja77> oh ok I looked at the readme file where these examples are missing ;) [17:13] <daja77> ah no [17:13] <clifford> are they? the manual.pdf is generated from the readme file. [17:15] <daja77> you might find the code I am tyring disgustung perhaps ;) [17:17] <clifford> why? i have not seen much of your code so far.. [17:18] <daja77> I collect objects in an array ... [17:18] <clifford> So far I see no problem with that. ;-) [17:20] <daja77> I don't think the code looks that bad, I try to sort of parse a suif file to create a dot tree from it, but I haven't finished yet, i really like some of the spl features, but the file processing is a bit slow, but you wrote abiut that ;) [17:22] <clifford> what is a suif file? [17:23] <daja77> suif is a compiler toolkit developed at stanford university and it is their internal representation of a program as well, so I want to plot parse trees [17:23] <clifford> i.c. [17:26] <daja77> but this is more a hobby thing, i just want to see how these drawings will look like, actually I automatically modfiy these parse trees to add new instructions to the programs for runtime performance prediction and stuff [17:26] <clifford> can I see your code? *pleeeease* [17:28] <daja77> https://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/suif2dot.spl [17:28] <daja77> but it is unfinished atm [17:29] <daja77> https://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/test.out some sample data for processing [17:42] <blindcoder> daja77: yeah, because paxed made me [17:46] <daja77> you hardcoded a sf mirror in [D] [17:47] <clifford> daja77: svn.clifford.at/spl/trunk/examples/example55.spl [17:47] <clifford> (using 'A' without 'N' or 'P' is a new feature in rev. 536) [17:49] <daja77> nice [17:49] <daja77> so I can adjust this [17:50] <daja77> this line split is quite expensive [17:50] <blindcoder> daja77: hmm, oops){; [17:51] <blindcoder> (); [17:51] <blindcoder> anyway, I also think we should update dosemu to an unstable release [17:51] <daja77> blindcoder: btw is catdoc better than antiword? [17:52] <blindcoder> mainly because the current stable one doesn't work with settlers 1 :) [17:52] <blindcoder> daja77: no idea [17:57] <clifford> daja77: spl rev. 537: splrun -M has a default value of ".:./spl_modules:<system-spl-modules-dir>" now [18:00] <daja77> hm would it be possible to set an environmemnt variable for that, or compile the install path in it, I created an adhoc package for spl [18:02] <clifford> the install path is compiled in. Look for 'moddir.c' in the Makefile [18:03] <daja77> hm but it complained it couldn't find the modules, unless I used -M [18:04] <clifford> that is a new feature of rev. 537. before that rev. that was only used by the webspl binaries. [18:06] <daja77> I should upgrade ;) [18:06] <daja77> just updating graphviz atm ... [18:19] <daja77> sent ... [18:20] <daja77> the script produces the wrong output atm, but have to go now [18:20] <daja77> cu [18:20] <clifford> cu [18:25] <clifford> *fuck* *fuck* *fuck* *fuck* [18:26] Action: clifford removed the ssh host keys on a remote server and logged out. *grml* [18:26] <blindcoder> ouch [18:26] <clifford> ok. I need to go now.. cu. [18:26] <blindcoder> let me guess: no password auth? [18:26] <clifford> the _host_ keys [18:27] <blindcoder> o_O *ouch* [18:31] <th> that would not happen with telnet or rlogin... [18:33] <blindcoder> hehe [20:32] _hannes (~hannes@port-212-202-55-197.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Client Quit [20:38] fake_ (~fake@rapidnetworks.de) got netsplit. [20:38] SMP (~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net) got netsplit. [20:40] SMP_ (~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:44] fake_ (~fake@rapidnetworks.de) returned to #rocklinux. [20:49] SMP (~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net) got lost in the net-split. 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