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Good question [07:53] <th> blindcoder: no - udev does not create /dev/root - cause it's not in kernel [07:53] <th> i guess there is need for some initramfs... [07:53] <th> but i dont want to believe this [07:54] <blindcoder> no, there is not! [07:54] <blindcoder> let me get out my laptop... [07:57] <blindcoder> there [07:58] <blindcoder> all you need is a few character devices (console, null, zero and maybe a few others) on your root's /dev directory and then: root=/dev/hda1 [07:58] <blindcoder> or whatever [07:58] <blindcoder> and init=/sbin/init [08:01] <blindcoder> but there is absolutely no need for a initial ramdisk [08:05] <th> hmmmm [08:06] <th> u think a missing /dev/{console,null,zero} may cause unable to mount root? [08:08] <th> blindcoder: are you sure that you do not have devfs in kernel? additionally [08:08] <blindcoder> not unable to mount root [08:08] <blindcoder> unable to start init [08:09] <blindcoder> devfs=nomount parameter [08:09] <blindcoder> not having /dev/console will cause init to fail with "unable to open initial console" [08:10] <th> that's not fatal [08:10] <th> and hence not the problem here. [08:10] <blindcoder> it is here [08:10] <th> k [08:10] <blindcoder> because then I get a kernel error: unable to start init [08:10] <th> but i get unable to mount root [08:10] <blindcoder> hmm [08:10] <th> i dont get this if i have devfs still enabled [08:10] <blindcoder> what's your root= parameter? [08:10] <th> try disabling in kernel [08:10] <th> /dev/sda2 [08:11] <blindcoder> sounds fine to me [08:11] <th> (kernel naming scheme) [08:11] <th> kernel should convert this to major/minor numbefrs [08:11] <blindcoder> try the kernel option "verbose" and look for error messages [08:12] <th> verbose. hmm [08:12] <th> i did not see any more output in kernel source... let's see [08:13] <blindcoder> or was it debug? no idea, but quiet is the opposite :) [08:18] <th> no additional output [08:18] <th> would be cool if you could try to disable devfs somewhen [08:18] <th> (or just update to 2.6.13) ;) [08:20] <th> hmmm where is that maj/min number detection code..... [08:20] <blindcoder> in do_mount.c IIRC [08:21] <blindcoder> at least you should be able to trace it from there [08:21] <blindcoder> well, stupid question, but do you have the scsi modules necessary in the kernel? [08:23] <th> yes [08:23] <th> i triple-checked that [08:24] <th> i've two identical but differing in devfs kernels [08:26] <th> oh cool i can give maj:min as option [08:26] <th> if (sscanf(name, "%u:%u", &maj, &min) == 2) { [08:26] <th> res = MKDEV(maj, min); [08:26] <th> ... [08:31] <th> uhh i guess the easiest is to give major and minor numbers :-/ [08:32] Pilot (n=pilot@corenet-node5.iph.ras.ru) joined #rocklinux. [08:35] <netrunner> privet pilot [08:36] <netrunner> moin rest :) [08:37] <th> root=8:2 works [08:37] <th> that's crazy [08:38] <th> obviously kernel is unable to translate "sda2" (which is kernel naming scheme) to "8:2" [08:39] <Pilot> hi all [08:39] <Pilot> th: afair it could be root=0802 too [08:40] <th> that's true [08:40] <th> but it should understand sda2 [08:40] <Pilot> no, kernel has a small device map with hd and fd [08:41] <th> "hd"? [08:41] <Pilot> hda, hdb, hdc, hdd [08:41] <th> a [08:42] <th> i think kernel should understand names of it's own name-scope [08:45] <th> so booting without initrd and without initramfs is to complicated for the normal user [08:45] <th> cause (s)he has to map device-names to major/minor pairs [08:46] <th> yea - i liked devfs [08:48] <blindcoder> the first sane thing I heard in days :) [08:48] <blindcoder> moin netrunner, Pilot [08:50] <Pilot> th: kernel actually works with device numbers only, builttin /dev/hd? mapping exists to help 95% of Linux users who boot from IDE [08:50] <th> Pilot: that's not really true. [08:51] <Pilot> th: why? [08:51] <th> Pilot: "sda?" is "kernel nameing scheme" as of udev ;) [08:52] <th> but perhaps it's only udev suggesting this [09:04] Nick change: SMP_ -> SMP [09:05] <SMP> gah [09:05] <blindcoder> moin SMP [09:06] <blindcoder> inventing a new language? :) [09:29] <th> SMP: you have internet? [09:30] <SMP> I have Internet. lots of Internet. [09:36] <th> cool [10:03] <daja77> th: I put devfs back in ... [10:03] <th> daja77: i've no need for devfs any longer [10:04] <daja77> well me neither but I needed the machines back working as fast as possible ... [10:05] <blindcoder> hehe [10:11] <th> daja77: why does it not work [10:12] <daja77> the system just hang without devfs [10:12] <blindcoder> oh no [10:12] <blindcoder> new SDL version [10:12] <daja77> the userland on this machine doesn't even know about udev [10:12] <blindcoder> SDL_OPENGLBLIT is officially obsolete [10:13] <blindcoder> I'll be damned if this doesn't cause problems [10:13] Action: daja77 preparing all the neccessary curses ... just in case [10:15] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@dsl-082-082-101-237.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [10:15] blindcoder (n=blindcod@dsl-082-082-096-175.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:15] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [10:16] <blindcoder> thanks, I knew I could count on you :) [10:17] <daja77> :D [10:22] <th> daja77: the only thing i had to do is run "make && make install" for the udev-userland tools [10:28] <blindcoder> th: and integrate into startup scripts, no? [10:29] <th> blindcoder: /etc/initscripts is already prepared for that [10:37] <blindcoder> ah, okay [11:03] <netrunner> *g* https://femdefence.info/index2.html [11:05] <daja77> O_O [11:07] menomc (n=amery@200.75.27.105) joined #rocklinux. [11:14] <blindcoder> is that work-safe? [11:16] mnemoc (n=amery@200.75.27.51) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:18] <esden> *sigh* imagework is exhausting [11:24] <blindcoder> how so? [11:24] <netrunner> he imagines naked women [11:25] <blindcoder> aah [11:26] <blindcoder> esden: you'll be here on the 9th/10th of September, right? [11:28] <esden> erm ... uhh ... ahhh ... humm ... I think so ... (muss ich mich 100% festlegen? welpenblick aufsetz) [11:28] <esden> blindcoder: I have to postproduct and postselect the images I take here ... [11:29] <esden> that are already many hundred images that I saw through sorted out and corrected [11:31] <blindcoder> ah, okay [11:32] <blindcoder> esden: https://shellscripts.org/project/gallery *hides* [11:33] <blindcoder> esden: so, the 9th/10th September is correct? or have I misentered the date into my palm? [11:38] <owl> moin [12:07] <esden> blindcoder: no thanks ... with so many photos and more than one person editing the content (the second person only with rudimentary computer knowledge) I need a gallery that is very featurefull ;) [12:07] <esden> but thank you for the will ;) [12:29] <blindcoder> hehe [12:33] <blindcoder> ouch [12:33] <blindcoder> bug in xscreensaver [12:34] <blindcoder> in the pong screensaver [13:22] Pilot (n=pilot@corenet-node5.iph.ras.ru) left #rocklinux ("Leaving"). [13:43] <daja77> damn the laptop is crashing at random with 2.6.13 [13:49] <th> hmm stable is still at 2.6.7 for linux26 [13:58] <daja77> btw we seem to have missed to activate the shpchp driver that is needed by hotplug, at least all my machines are llargely complaining about it [13:58] <daja77> th: I thought I sent you a patch for 2.6.9 10 or 11 can't remember [14:00] <th> which did not apply and did not build after fixing the patch. i sent you the results iirc [14:00] <daja77> erh no [14:00] <th> sure? [14:00] <th> at least it did not work out [14:01] <daja77> I believe you, just don't remember any message [14:01] <daja77> anyway that would still be too old [14:15] <th> so if you have any time for another try with 2.6.12 or 2.6.13 .. i promise to send the results [14:30] <blindcoder> shpchp? [14:30] <blindcoder> never seen that [14:30] <daja77> that's the problem ^^ [14:31] <blindcoder> never seen a complaint about it either [14:40] <th> so it's working fine. [14:40] <th> we should have more of such stuff [14:42] <daja77> this shows up on my laptop everytime perhaps it depends on the test hardware [14:43] <daja77> it shows upp in qemu too [14:46] <blindcoder> dmesg or where? [14:46] <daja77> startup skripts [14:46] <blindcoder> nope, never seen it [14:46] <blindcoder> maybe some entry in /etc/modprobe.conf? [14:47] <daja77> Aug 30 13:42:34 angua modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting shpchp (/lib/modules/2.6.12/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/shpchp.ko): Operation not permit [14:47] <daja77> ted [14:47] <daja77> hm checking permissions [14:48] <blindcoder> hmm [14:48] <blindcoder> I've seen that once [14:48] <blindcoder> but with another module [14:48] <blindcoder> make modules_install fixed it [14:49] <daja77> the module is there permissions are rw-r-r [14:49] <blindcoder> sounds fine [14:50] <daja77> yes [14:55] netrunner (n=andreas@p54980CE8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:57] netrunner (n=andreas@p549819AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [16:36] praenti (n=michael@paulaner.obster.org) joined #rocklinux. [16:37] <praenti> hi. anybody can help me with the sed command? what i need is a pattern matching and a new line before this match should be inserted [16:37] <praenti> teh problem i'm too stupid to use the i command... [16:37] <praenti> getting always a syntax error [16:38] <th> % echo foobar | sed 's/bar/\nbar/' [16:39] <th> foo [16:39] <th> bar [16:39] <praenti> hmm. should be also possible... why the heöÃll i'm thinking so complex *grml* [16:40] <praenti> thx th :-) [16:40] <th> complex minds ;) [16:48] Nick change: menomc -> mnemoc [16:50] <praenti> hmm. not at all. perhaps i had this idea in mind but i get problem with a line like this: /tftpboot *.schulen.ingolstadt.de(rw,sync) [16:50] <praenti> the problem are * and . because they need an excape character before for sed [16:51] <praenti> forget it. i had a better idea [16:51] <praenti> s/had/have/ [16:52] <th> . matches any character so using it for . shouldnt be a problem [16:52] <th> and * can be matched by . as well [16:52] <daja77> hi praenti btw [16:53] <praenti> hi daja77 [16:54] <praenti> th: the better idea is to use another line in the file which begins with "# Ab hier" [16:54] <praenti> that works but not with \n for newline [16:56] <praenti> % echo foobar | sed -e 's/bar/\nbar/' results in "foonbar" [16:57] reinaldo (n=reinaldo@pc-62-24-104-200.cm.vtr.net) joined #rocklinux. [16:57] <mnemoc> \\n ? [16:59] <praenti> foo\nbar [17:00] <mnemoc> /join #bash :( [17:01] <blindcoder> blindcoder@fuzzy:~$ echo foobar | sed -e 's,bar,\nbar,g' [17:01] <blindcoder> foo [17:01] <blindcoder> bar [17:01] <mnemoc> uhm [17:01] <mnemoc> -e :D [17:01] <blindcoder> your sed is buggy [17:01] <mnemoc> ack [17:03] <SMP> gah! [17:03] <blindcoder> SMP: what are you 'gah'ing all day today? [17:04] <SMP> amaroK is playing the Windows blues on me. it got stuck, I had to kill it and now it just hangs on startup [17:04] <praenti> blindcoder: right. can you explain me why this does waht i want? [17:04] <blindcoder> praenti: it is supposed to ;) [17:05] <blindcoder> SMP: that's what xine usually does on me [17:05] <blindcoder> SMP: I've since switched to the sdl output method which works [17:05] <praenti> but what is the difference between a , and a / [17:05] <daja77> that's what the kernel did today >_< [17:06] <blindcoder> praenti: no idea, I've been using , for ages because I was sick of escaping / :) [17:06] <netrunner> praenti: the / is a bit longer [17:06] Action: praenti a little bit confused [17:06] <blindcoder> FWIW: [17:06] <blindcoder> blindcoder@fuzzy:~$ echo foobar | sed -e 's/bar/\nbar/' [17:06] <blindcoder> foo [17:06] <blindcoder> bar [17:06] <blindcoder> copy and pasted from your line above [17:08] <blindcoder> I blame your shell [17:08] <praenti> yes but only on this ubuntu system. on a suse linux 7.x not. the result there "foonbar" *argl* [17:09] <daja77> *sigh* [17:09] Action: praenti doesn't understand reality anymore. what the hell is going on... [17:09] <daja77> you use ubuntu :p [17:10] <praenti> daja77: only partly [17:10] <praenti> because i hate debian and s.th. a rock is not available [17:10] <praenti> s/th/t/ [17:11] <daja77> your typos will teach you to use patterns ;) [17:11] <blindcoder> hehe [17:11] <praenti> :-)) [17:11] <blindcoder> praenti: reality doesn't make sense, live with it [17:14] <praenti> hmm. is a patched sed command. SuSE has left a short note at the end of the man-page [17:15] <praenti> bla supports \<newline> sequence in all regexp bla [17:15] <praenti> bla the \ is stripped an <newline> is kept bla [17:16] <SMP> that doesn't seem to apply to the \n case [17:17] reinaldo (n=reinaldo@pc-62-24-104-200.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:17] <praenti> SMP: looks like, yes [17:23] <praenti> using a \ and go into a newlline works. terrible suse sed [17:46] Action: praenti now understands partly the sed reality [17:47] <praenti> it is working with real newlines in the script and \\ at the end of each line :-) [17:49] <SMP> sed reality is a sad reality ... [17:49] <praenti> thx to all for brainstorming and working solutions on other distris than suse [17:50] <praenti> SMP: full ack! 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