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[02:57] <madtux> hello
[03:33] <madtux> ping mnemoc 
[03:38] <mnemoc> pong madtux 
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[06:39] <madtux> d3bian!
[06:39] <madtux> :)
[06:39] <demian> hi guys
[06:39] <madtux> pura vida jon?
[06:40] <demian> sure, how are things around here ?
[06:40] <madtux> well i just showed up again yesterday after sometime away.. so i guess everything is ok
[06:40] <madtux> how about there?
[06:41] <demian> things are fine. i have around 9 months without taking a glace at rocklinux
[06:42] <madtux> uff...
[06:42] <madtux> what have u been doing?
[06:42] <demian> working and having fun :)
[06:42] <demian> jaja
[06:42] <madtux> getting laid and drunk huh?
[06:44] <demian> yeah.
[06:44] <demian> mike i lost uf phone number.
[06:44] <demian> ur
[06:45] <madtux> see query.
[06:45] <demian> i got to do some work now.. we will talk withina while.
[06:46] <madtux> cya
[06:53] <[anders]> madtux: so so.. you?
[06:53] <madtux> geez.... what a lag..
[06:54] <madtux> [anders], doing ok i guess... glad to see u around my frind
[06:54] <[anders]> it's called sleeping ;)
[06:54] <madtux> friend*
[06:54] <madtux> sleeping is for the birds..
[06:55] <[anders]> I've not been around a lot, work is very busy and the 3.5 hours travel each day means I have very little time at home awake
[06:57] <madtux> 3.5 hours!? u are crazy
[07:04] <[anders]> no, it is 47 miles one way
[07:04] <[anders]> the roads are quite busy as well, especially now the schools are back
[07:08] <madtux> uff..
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[08:46] <blindcoder> moin
[08:48] <madtux> hello blindy boy
[08:48] <blindcoder> moin madtux 
[08:49] <blindcoder> geez, I should sleep less :(
[08:49] <blindcoder> or more, depends
[08:50] <blindcoder> but 8 hours is just wrong
[08:50] <madtux> why?
[08:51] <madtux> 8 hours works just fine for me
[08:51] <blindcoder> I could go straight back to bed right now :(
[08:51] <blindcoder> well, maybe it was because of this strange dream
[08:51] <madtux> are u sick or something?
[08:51] <blindcoder> I dreamt of clifford, submaster and the rock-devel mailinglist o_O
[08:51] <madtux> mm... i see... wet dreams huh?..
[08:52] <madtux> wtf..
[08:52] <blindcoder> heh, hardly
[08:52] <madtux> rocklinux phobia?
[08:52] <blindcoder> something like that, yeah :)
[08:52] <blindcoder> well, I've been a bit more in touch with the rock svn tree than I'd like to
[08:53] <blindcoder> recently, so maybe that's why
[08:53] <madtux> why?
[08:53] <blindcoder> setting up fisheye and writing a script to correct the author tag so that svn blame finally gives useful results :)
[08:53] <madtux> :)
[08:54] <blindcoder> well, 9am, guess I should get to work or claudia will have my head...
[08:54] <blindcoder> I'll be back later, see you
[08:56] <madtux> cya
[09:09] <daja77> hi madtux 
[09:09] <madtux> Mr. Daniel
[09:10] <daja77> :D
[09:11] <daja77> [kde-announce] Announcing KDE 3.5 beta1 ("Kanzler")
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[09:35] <madtux> assassin, ?! ph34r.
[09:55] <assassin> lo madtux
[09:55] Action: assassin has logged in from work
[09:56] <assassin> the new Opera is quite useful :)
[09:57] <madtux> hehe
[09:57] <assassin> I better get on with the work
[09:58] <madtux> hehe,,, ok have fun
[09:58] <assassin> I have some spam stuff to test in debug mode, and tons of documentation to write
[09:58] <madtux> spam?!
[09:58] <madtux> mm... interesting.
[09:59] <ija> moin
[09:59] <madtux> hallo ija 
[09:59] <ija> hallo madtux 
[09:59] <ija> how are you?
[10:00] <madtux> i am good. how about urself?
[10:00] <assassin> madtux: dunno if you can see my priv replies?
[10:00] <madtux> i do not..
[10:00] <madtux> i mean i can't
[10:00] <madtux> damn..
[10:01] <ija> i'm cold, but ok
[10:01] <assassin> erk.. I got this blurb "Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )" when replying
[10:01] <madtux> ah..
[10:01] <madtux> ok read my last priv..
[10:03] <assassin> done
[10:04] <netrunner> moin
[10:04] <madtux> hello netty
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[11:14] <clifford> https://www.google.com/alerts/
[11:14] <clifford> ... cool stuff!  *g*
[11:30] <blindcoder> moin
[11:32] <blindcoder> clifford: heh, nice
[11:38] Action: clifford installs a cronjob for fixauthor.spl right now ..
[11:38] <blindcoder> ^^
[11:46] <clifford> done.
[11:50] <blindcoder> how often do you run it?
[11:51] <clifford> every 15 minutes for all revisions in the last 5 days
[11:51] <clifford> (see updated www.clifford.at/priv/fixauthor.spl.txt)
[11:52] <blindcoder> *click*
[11:53] <blindcoder> nice
[11:53] <blindcoder> but you'll probably get lots of mails with "no match"
[11:55] <netrunner> clifford: why don't you check all revisions in the last 15 minutes? everything more would be already done by last run?
[11:55] <clifford> not if for some reason or another the cron script did not run.
[11:56] <clifford> and its almost no overhead since the changes are only performed where the values need to be changed.
[11:57] <clifford> also: if some mappings are not present in the script yet, I can add it within 5 days without the need to run any additional commands.
[11:57] <clifford> (read the script)
[11:58] <netrunner> hmok
[11:59] <blindcoder> :)
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[13:17] Action: netrunner needs to tweak his online lifecheck.
[13:38] <netrunner> hm, if I don't wait too long I survive reconnects :)
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[15:47] <[raphael]> hi everyone out there, I'm back in case anyone missed me
[15:47] <[raphael]> with... just a little question: is svn trunk usable to make a full generic build (say, with less than 10 failing pkgs)?
[15:48] <daja77> I guess so
[15:48] <[raphael]> are there any major changes happening right now in the base system? like devfs/udev (?)
[15:48] <[raphael]> hi daja77 ;)
[15:52] <clifford> [raphael]: I have just finished a reference build:
[15:52] <clifford> 3021 builds total, 3021 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[15:53] <daja77> nice
[15:54] <clifford> .. maybe some build-order problems are left. I'm doing a crystal build right now to test that.
[15:54] <[raphael]> clifford: oh... that's awesome :)
[15:54] <[raphael]> clifford: what's the optimization of the build?
[15:55] <daja77> I just tried to upgrade firefox but think of it, they released binaries for all major platforms, but the source tarball is still not out yet, and I met rxr in the firefox channel complaining about that ...
[15:55] <clifford> that was without any special optimizations.
[15:56] <clifford> (no special cpu optimizations and the "test" optimazation scheme)
[15:57] <[raphael]> clifford, do you have images of that?
[15:58] <[raphael]> clifford: by the way, what are your plans regarding OOo?
[15:58] <clifford> well - I have the build on my harddisk.
[15:58] <[raphael]> (my recommendation is just NOT to include it)
[15:58] <[raphael]> OOo is quite some pain to maintain
[15:58] <clifford> I can make images of the crystal build I've startet right now. (That would be just 1 CD, that's ok with my uplink..)
[15:59] <[raphael]> clifford, well, I don't want to push your limits, just upload it if you wanted to do that anyway
[15:59] <clifford> https://www.rocklinux.net/packages/openoffice.html
[15:59] <clifford> .. but it is not built on default.
[16:00] <[raphael]> I'll be away for another week next week and after that I'll probably need some up-to-date thing
[16:00] <clifford> ok. I will make an image of the crystal build I'm doing right now.
[16:00] <[raphael]> clifford: OOo: oh, nice :)
[16:01] <[raphael]> clifford: great, thx!
[16:01] <[raphael]> oh, yes, I would need it, I need to take at least some up-to-date distribution with me
[16:02] <[raphael]> clifford: is KDE included in the 1 CD image?
[16:02] <daja77> it is
[16:02] <[raphael]> great
[16:02] <clifford> https://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/21/1252213  *wow*
[16:03] <[raphael]> oh, and kde is even up-to-date... what about koffice-i18n ?
[16:05] <clifford> www.clifford.at/priv/crystal-pkg-list.txt
[16:05] <clifford> .. this is the list of packages on the crystal CD.
[16:05] <clifford> the rest must be installed from a binary package pool or built from source.
[16:06] <daja77> so the binaries are infected and the source isn't even there, interesting open source project that is
[16:06] <netrunner> let's spread an infected version of rock, we will gain a lot of popularity :)
[16:07] <daja77> in the korean version of rock
[16:07] <clifford> memo to myself: don't let netrunner handle ROCK marketing..
[16:08] <[raphael]> the package list looks very good, on first glance everything I'll need is there
[16:09] <daja77> rofl and that just after we had this /. headline today
[16:09] <daja77> IT: Mozilla Hits Back at Browser Security Claim
[16:10] <blindcoder> re
[16:10] <clifford> hi blindcoder, I've uploaded the results from my last build to sonar.
[16:10] <blindcoder> daja77: yeah :)
[16:10] <blindcoder> clifford: thanks, I'll have a look right now
[16:11] <clifford> [raphael]: since we are using submaster, even the development tree is pretty stable..
[16:12] <daja77> clifford: now that you mentioned it the latest sm sync were all done without any conflicts ;)
[16:12] <blindcoder> hmm
[16:12] <clifford> nice to hear that. so the last sm on-disk change was a good thing?
[16:13] <daja77> yes seems so
[16:13] <clifford> how is T2 doing btw?
[16:14] <blindcoder> clifford: activated on website
[16:14] <daja77> hm ask mnemoc for that
[16:14] <[raphael]> I have an additional package request: iscan - https://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/dl_scan.html
[16:15] <[raphael]> I was unable to get that working with Crystal ROCK of half a year ago
[16:15] <blindcoder> [raphael]: https://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/CreatingPackages :)
[16:15] <[raphael]> oh, yeah, but I don't know how to actually get it working on ROCK, so I can't create a package
[16:15] <blindcoder> ah, okay
[16:15] <blindcoder> what kind of software is it?
[16:15] <daja77> [raphael]: how much do you give for packaging  ... just kidding
[16:16] <[raphael]> for scanning
[16:16] <blindcoder> hmm, no scanner here :(
[16:16] <[raphael]> some Epson scanners require this driver
[16:16] <[raphael]> blindcoder: well, I see, maybe I can get it working some day
[16:16] <blindcoder> [raphael]: don't hesitate to ask here, we're here to help :)
[16:17] <blindcoder> btw, anyone got another opinion about the future of devfs?
[16:18] <blindcoder> I haven't got much response there and even less discussion :(
[16:18] <daja77> iscan is an autoconf package, so it shouldn't be a problem
[16:18] <[raphael]> daja77: it installed for me, but it didn't work nevertheless
[16:18] <clifford> hm... what is the status of devfs in the kernel right now?
[16:18] <[raphael]> (that is, I wasn't able to use the scanner)
[16:19] <daja77> [raphael]: so this is no matter of packaging
[16:19] <blindcoder> clifford: non-existant
[16:20] <blindcoder> clifford: the config option is gone
[16:20] <daja77> clifford: in 2.6.13 the code is still in but can't be configured
[16:20] <blindcoder> clifford: and devfs will be gone with the next release
[16:20] <daja77> 2.6.13 sucks anyway
[16:20] <blindcoder> :)
[16:20] <clifford> well. so I guess there won't be much discussion about it.
[16:20] <[raphael]> can anyone tell me the reason for abondoning devfs? It was such a cool thing, really, what does udev that wasn't possible with devfs?
[16:20] <blindcoder> no, but stf proposed to keep devfs in ROCK
[16:21] <blindcoder> I think it doesn't make sense to keep it just to let it bitrot
[16:21] <clifford> I'm using udev on most of my machines for a long time anyways and it is default since over half a year now..
[16:21] <daja77> I disagree
[16:21] <daja77> to the keeping
[16:21] <blindcoder> [raphael]: bad code
[16:21] <[raphael]> ah, it's already available in ROCK?
[16:21] <blindcoder> [raphael]: good idea but bad code
[16:21] <blindcoder> not that udev is any better IMO
[16:21] <daja77> *ggg*
[16:21] <blindcoder> [raphael]: sure is
[16:22] <clifford> the only thing that requires devfs in rock right now is the installer.
[16:22] <[raphael]> blindcode, ok, that's an acceptable explaination (I don't have any technical knowledge of what's behind devfs or udev)
[16:22] <blindcoder> clifford: yes, and I want to create a patch to remove all devfs dependency from ROCK
[16:22] <blindcoder> each last bit of devfs code
[16:22] <blindcoder> [raphael]: devfs was kernelspace (which rocked), udev is userspace (which sucks)
[16:23] <blindcoder> but that's just me ranting
[16:23] <clifford> there shouldn't be too much. most of the so-called devfs patches are in fact needed for udev too.
[16:23] <blindcoder> clifford: yes, I was thinking more of the /etc/fstab creation and stuff like that
[16:23] <[raphael]> blindcoder: at some time I heard udev allows better communication to "user" things (?)
[16:23] <blindcoder> [raphael]: oh, it has advantages, I don't deny that
[16:24] <blindcoder> [raphael]: I just deny that udev is superior to devfs in quality
[16:24] <blindcoder> I mean, come on, it always exits with returncode 0 (success)
[16:24] <blindcoder> even if it totally wet its pants
[16:24] <netrunner> blindcoder: removing devfs from rock, what will you do with 2.4? remove support for kernels <2.6?
[16:25] <blindcoder> netrunner: udev works just fine with 2.4
[16:25] <netrunner> ah
[16:25] <[raphael]> clifford, can you send me a mail when you have the download location for your image? (or tell me on irc if I'm still around)
[16:25] <blindcoder> netrunner: as it does not need any kernel side code but hotplug userspace code
[16:25] <clifford> you will need a /dev mountpoint anyways, and the fstab entry for it was never used (not for devfs and not for the tmpfs in udev)
[16:26] <clifford> [raphael]: as said before, I just started the crystal build. It will take a few days for it to finish ..
[16:26] <blindcoder> I have a crystal build on a hd in a computer with a broken cpu
[16:27] <blindcoder> but I don't think that's of any help :)
[16:27] <[raphael]> clifford, ah, sorry, missed that
[16:27] <clifford> blindcoder: I'd say we make migration to udev a high priority thing; when that is done we can think of what to do with the devfs code..
[16:28] <blindcoder> clifford: okay, I'll look into that starting next week (got a visitor this weekend)
[16:29] <daja77> so that means putting it into the urgent 3.0 todo?
[16:29] <clifford> yep. I'd say so. we can't release a 3.0 which can't follow recent kernel releases..
[16:29] <daja77> ack
[16:31] <clifford> blindcoder: can you look into a udev based install system?
[16:32] <clifford> (i.e. udev+hotplug)
[16:32] <blindcoder> clifford: yes, that's what I meant
[16:32] <clifford> great.
[16:32] <SMP> blindcoder, netrunner: udev does not work at all with kernels < 2.6 -- relies on sysfs.
[16:32] <blindcoder> clifford: since I've already moved most of LVP to udev+hotplug that should be easy
[16:33] <clifford> SMP: so devfs support will be left in. that's a good reason to do so.
[16:33] <blindcoder> SMP: hm, I thought I read that it does, but maybe I'm mistaken
[16:33] <blindcoder> ack, no more objections
[16:33] <blindcoder> I'll do a kernel version check mwhere appropriate
[16:34] <SMP> a udev-based install system is closely related to the initrd/initramfs work of blindcoder and th -- we should keep these aligned
[16:34] <clifford> blindcoder: can you also post a short text to the mailinglist about this decision?
[16:34] <clifford> yep. that's what I also think.
[16:34] <clifford> .. afk for a sec ..
[16:35] <blindcoder> clifford: already composing :)
[16:36] <blindcoder> SMP: yes, I've talked with th about some of that already and got some more changes queued
[16:36] <blindcoder> like POSIX compliance of the scsi-devfs.sh script so that it also runs in busybox (ie, non-bash /bin/sh)
[16:37] <blindcoder> message sent
[16:38] <SMP> the devfs pathes actually suck. more than once I've been bitten by RAID controllers that kept changing the scsi id of their array.
[16:39] <SMP> and the bus/id/lun semantics are just totally nonsensical for IDE/SATA
[16:39] <daja77> yes that happened to my usb drive as well
[16:43] <blindcoder> well, usb just counts up
[16:43] <blindcoder> plug in stick: host1
[16:43] <clifford> back.
[16:43] <blindcoder> remove and plug in again: host3
[16:43] <blindcoder> remove and plug in again: host5
[16:43] <blindcoder> and so on
[16:44] <daja77> sucks
[16:44] <blindcoder> that's actually one good thing about udev: you can assign names by serial numbers
[16:44] <blindcoder> my sticks and usb dicks go like this: /dev/discs/acer, /dev/discs/transcend, /dev/discs/mobile_disk
[16:44] <blindcoder> quite nice to create a /etc/fstab from :)
[16:45] <SMP> daja77: what sucks is when the root drive changes the ID for no good reason, not just some stupid USB thingie
[16:46] <SMP> the only sane way of addressing filesystems is by UUID, or device-mapper name
[16:46] <blindcoder> can you enter UUIDs into /etc/fstab?
[16:46] <daja77> hey there is always sth that is worse ;)
[16:47] <clifford> blindcoder: yes.
[16:47] <blindcoder> oh, cool :)
[16:47] <blindcoder> too bad I regularly create new filesystems on my usb sticks :(
[16:47] <SMP> but don't be fooled by the the RedHat way of root=LABEL=/ -- that's the worst idea ever
[16:47] <blindcoder> I use root=/dev/ram0 :P
[16:48] <SMP> blindcoder: if you recreate the filesystems, you should keep a fixed label and use that. LABEL=foo in /etc/fstab
[16:49] <blindcoder> SMP: so how does mount find the correct filesystem? go through each block device in /dev/?
[16:49] <clifford> /proc/partitions
[16:49] <SMP> blindcoder: but UUID / LABEL in fstab doesn't work for the root of course, so the initrd/initramfs has to do that
[16:49] <blindcoder> ah, I see
[16:50] <clifford> SMP: did you move to amsterdam meanwhile? (btw)
[16:52] <SMP> clifford: currently writing the -heavily delayed- reply to your email ;)
[16:52] <clifford> ah. ic. *g*
[16:52] <SMP> clifford: short answer -- no
[16:52] <clifford> ok. so I didn't miss a chance to sleep on your couch.  ;-)
[16:53] <blindcoder> anyway, gotta leave for kendo training now
[16:53] <blindcoder> bbl
[16:54] <clifford> cu.
[16:59] <clifford> added devfs -> udev to 3.0 todo list
[16:59] <daja77> good
[17:00] <SMP> major blocker for 3.0: fix the init system get rid of system.init
[17:01] <SMP> s,get,and &,
[17:01] Action: clifford .. needs .. more .. input.
[17:03] <SMP> I know. I've just recently reached a major decision on that problem.
[17:03] Action: netrunner adding some images to his blog
[17:03] <SMP> now I know, e.g., that all the stuff currently in system.init should not be in an init script at all
[17:04] <clifford> aha. where should it be then?
[17:05] Action: netrunner wants parallelizable init
[17:05] <clifford> OT: SMP: How many server do you administrate?
[17:05] <SMP> it should be executed from the sysinit action
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[17:06] <SMP> clifford: about 10 -- with some form of Linux
[17:07] <clifford> netrunner: "Elements of Programming Style" (Kernighan & Plauger) - Rule 21.
[17:07] <clifford> SMP: did you have a look at csync2 already?
[17:08] <netrunner> clifford: feel free to quote from there.
[17:08] <clifford> you can't do the shutdown things in sysinit.
[17:08] <SMP> and -back to the system.init topic- of course what's in the monolithic system.init now should be broken into smaller modules, so packages can plug into it
[17:09] <clifford> netrunner: "Make it right before you make it faster.:
[17:09] <clifford> s/:/"/
[17:10] <clifford> regarding csync2: www.clifford.at/priv/csync2-paper.pdf .. maybe it is of interest for you.
[17:10] <clifford> regarding init: ack.
[17:11] <SMP> clifford: for most things in system.init you don't need to do shutdown work. but you're right partially -- there is (AFAIK) no equivalent to sysinit for shutdown, so it might have to be done from an "init script" in runlevel 1/6, which is not truly elegant
[17:12] <clifford> I think I could live with that.  *g*
[17:12] <SMP> but it has to be fixed -- and not just by plugging holes
[17:13] <SMP> for example, use udev and cycle to single-user and back to multi user. you'll end up with /dev mounted readonly
[17:13] <SMP> (DO NOT fix this, better leave it broken until we fix all of init)
[17:14] <SMP> clifford: I always wanted to try csync2, just never really got there
[17:14] <clifford> I've added it to the todos file now.
[17:14] <clifford> but here comes another question:
[17:15] <clifford> our init script symlinks system is not sysv-like. shall we change it to the system v behavior?
[17:16] <clifford> so far I got good feedback for the csync2 paper. so it might be a good starting point. (and it can be printed out and read in the train)
[17:16] <daja77> do we want to be lsb 3.0 compliant?
[17:16] Action: daja77 hides
[17:17] <SMP> clifford: I don't know yet. I need to find out who else uses which system, and what has the least potential of surprise
[17:17] Action: clifford drops a piano from the 5th floor on daja.
[17:17] <SMP> daja77: have you read U. Drepper's recent blog rant about LSB?
[17:17] <SMP> worth reading
[17:17] <daja77> partially
[17:18] <clifford> afaik ROCK is the biggest distribution still using this scheme. everyone else switched to SysV because it's an LSB requirement.
[17:20] <daja77> ah right, he complained that most of the conformance tests were broken so none of the tested systems was comnplaint
[17:20] <clifford> and since most people are using tools such as sone for creating and removing the symlinks (at least I guess so), noone would recognise you our low-level representation is cleaner - they would only recognise that it is non-standard if they use other scripts (like installers) for creating the symlinks..
[17:20] <clifford> s/sone/stone
[17:20] Action: daja77 is lucky that the piano missed him
[17:21] <clifford> s/you/that/  (how did I manage to do that typo?)
[17:21] <daja77> ;)
[17:21] Action: SMP senses and SysV-init wrapper
[17:21] Action: SMP ducks and runs
[17:22] <SMP> s,and,an,
[17:22] <netrunner> anyone who wants to supply a link to dreppers blog or that article?
[17:22] <clifford> SMP: so here comen another piano..
[17:22] <daja77> https://www.livejournal.com/users/udrepper/8511.html
[17:22] <daja77> clifford: you have definitely too many of them
[17:22] <clifford> s/comen/comes/
[17:22] <netrunner> daja77: thx
[17:23] <netrunner> fetched. now going back to dormitory to hunt some food.
[17:23] <clifford> yea - those rich hackers - just downloding some money if they need more pianos..
[17:23] <clifford> *rotfl*
[17:23] <netrunner> and to apply some scotch tape to the windows to make them more isolated
[17:24] <clifford> (anyone remembers that cathering guy at last ccc?)
[17:24] <daja77> hehe
[17:25] <clifford> SMP: the SysV vs. non-SysV thing is a hard question..
[17:25] <SMP> clifford: then give it some time ;-)
[17:26] <clifford> I'm thinking about it since LSB 1.0 got released...
[17:27] <daja77> .oO (over my shoulder a piano falls, crashing into the ground *sing*)
[17:27] <[raphael]> daja77: are you actually destroying pianos?
[17:28] <daja77> no just sing an rem song
[17:28] <[raphael]> aha... that should be fine I guess ;)
[17:28] <clifford> [anders]: no, that's me. ;)
[17:28] Action: daja77 points and laughs at clifford 
[17:28] <clifford> s/[anders]/[raphael]/
[17:32] <[raphael]> clifford, oh, you're the assassin ;)
[17:32] <daja77> only the apprentice, I am still here ;)
[17:33] <[raphael]> how can you possibly do that? 
[17:33] <[raphael]> (I play these instruments)
[17:33] Action: clifford drops a cembalo from the 8th floor on [raphael].
[17:33] <clifford> better?
[17:33] <clifford> ;-)
[17:34] <daja77> yes
[17:34] <daja77> ^^
[17:34] <daja77> a pity for the cembalo
[17:34] <[raphael]> uh...
[17:34] <[raphael]> I better never invite anyone of you to my home
[17:35] <daja77> don't like musicians?
[17:36] <[raphael]> I do (I am), but you guys destroy those instruments, that's just too much of a risk for my piano
[17:37] Action: [raphael] guesses that all those instruments that you destroy are crapp, or at least I hope so, would be too bad otherwise
[17:37] <clifford> My parents are both musicians. I have something to compensate!!  *g*
[17:38] <daja77> rofl
[17:38] <[raphael]> oh dear...
[17:42] <clifford> my mother plays oboe (barok, classic and "wiener"), flute and "wiener horn", plays at concentus musicus and teaches at the "Konservatorium der Stadt Wien". My father plays contrabass at "Volksoper Wien" and did teach at the "Konservatorium Eisenstadt".
[17:43] <clifford> they also play other instruments, but only the ones mentioned above for a living.
[17:43] <daja77> so you have some pianos to spare
[17:44] <clifford> how many did I throw?
[17:44] <daja77> 2
[17:44] <clifford> and one cembalo.
[17:44] <clifford> nope, no pianos and cembalos left at my parents place.
[17:44] <daja77> *gg*
[17:45] <clifford> (actually one of the 2 pianos have been a pianino)
[17:45] <daja77> https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/oldtimer.jpg
[17:46] <clifford> still remember www.clifford.at/gallery/2005-carcrash/22_G ? don't let that happen to your oldtimer..
[17:47] <daja77> no ... just got this one today because the other one is away for repair
[17:47] <daja77> sucks ^^
[17:48] <clifford> .. especially since a wheelchair has no crush zone ..
[17:48] <daja77> it is damn slow ;)
[17:49] <clifford> I have seen someone with a wheelchair just like yours in the subway last week. but his control units had much more blinkenlights then yours .. (looked pretty cool)
[17:50] <daja77> hehehe
[17:50] <clifford> only a hacker would say "it is damn slow". a merketing guy would say "it is damn secure". *grin*
[17:50] <daja77> I'll get a new control unit soon, since the old one has a lot of bugs
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[17:51] <daja77> clifford: hehe so you haven't confused me for being the marketing guy ;)
[17:51] <clifford> definitely not.
[17:51] <daja77> 0:D
[17:54] <daja77> whoa finally
[17:54] <daja77> Finished building package wine
[17:55] <[raphael]> daja77: don't drink too much ;)
[18:01] <clifford> afk.
[18:01] <daja77> cu
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[20:20] <reinaldo> moin
[20:21] <reinaldo> hellol
[20:21] <reinaldo> hi
[20:22] <reinaldo> hua
[20:22] <reinaldo> hola
[20:39] <daja77> hi reinaldo 
[20:41] <blindcoder> re
[20:42] <reinaldo> daja77, hi
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[21:18] <blindcoder> BWAHAHAHA
[21:18] <blindcoder> Just from #slashem:
[21:18] <blindcoder> T2 (Mon Dop Fem Neu), escaped, 5 points, HP:12(12), lvl:1 of DoD
[21:20] <daja77> hm?
[21:20] <blindcoder> Monk, Doppelganger (shapeshifter)
[21:21] <blindcoder> ran from the challenge after five points at level one :)
[21:21] <blindcoder> name: T2 :)
[21:21] <daja77> perhaps because of the movie
[21:22] <blindcoder> no idea, but I just broke into a huge laughing fit :)
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[21:23] <daja77> ^^
[21:25] <mnemoc> i'm sure it becayse of the movie :)
[21:26] <daja77> finally the forefox src, this is so annoying
[21:31] <blindcoder> the backtick thing?
[21:37] <daja77> backtick?
[21:37] <blindcoder> the security thing when you had: https://blabla/`echo foo`/bar firefox translated that into https://blabla/foo/bar
[21:39] <daja77> well I was complaining that they kept the src and releasing the security fix binary only forst
[21:40] <daja77> dunno which fix that is, only read it partly
[21:40] <blindcoder> o_O
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