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[01:17] mnemoc (n=amery@200.75.27.117) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:17] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-111-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:17] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [01:17] mnemoc (n=amery@200.75.27.117) joined #rocklinux. [03:00] nookie (n=nookie@M325P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [03:05] nookie_ (n=nookie@M325P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [03:16] nookie__ (n=nookie@M470P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:16] nookie___ (n=nookie@M470P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:21] reinaldo (n=reinaldo@pc-16-24-104-200.cm.vtr.net) joined #rocklinux. [04:21] reinaldo (n=reinaldo@pc-16-24-104-200.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:59] <netrunner> ,oin [11:01] nookie__ (n=nookie@M400P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [11:11] nookie___ (n=nookie@M400P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [11:18] nookie (n=nookie@M325P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:18] nookie_ (n=nookie@M325P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:14] <clifford> netrunner: I've rejected [2005101709504220447]. please send another patch for an extra 'kqemu' package. [12:15] <daja77> clifford: if you are going to do a new build you could update the kernel before [12:16] <blindcoder> moin [12:16] <netrunner> clifford: please don't include the hal and dbus. I will discard and rework them. [12:17] <clifford> netrunner: ok. so please discard them now.. [12:17] <netrunner> clifford: it needs to be present in the qemu source tree so support is aactivated. [12:17] <netrunner> clifford: I could pkgfork it out ... [12:18] Action: daja77 off to munich airport in a few hours [12:19] <clifford> netrunner: better create a seperate 'kqemu' package which also has a [D] tag for qemu [12:19] <clifford> I'd prefer the both packages beeing seperated as much as possible because of the different licence.. [12:20] <netrunner> clifford: _qemu_ will not activate it's kqemu support if kqemu is not present in its source tree. [12:20] <clifford> daja77: I'll do. I voted already for them.. [12:21] <daja77> clifford: yes but 2.6.14.1 is out already, but I can't do patches now [12:21] <clifford> ah - ok. I'll make a patch for that now. [12:21] <daja77> thx [12:24] <netrunner> clifford: what would you say to a config option, disabled by default, with the explanation right ther? [12:25] <blindcoder> ARGH [12:25] <blindcoder> I HATE SOURCEFORGE! [12:25] <blindcoder> <lvplayer-svncommit@lists.sourceforge.net>: message size 1071214 exceeds size limit 1048576 of server mail.sourceforge.net[66.35.250.206] [12:29] <clifford> netrunner: no. there is a totally different licence on kqemu. [12:29] <clifford> what is the problem with a seperate package? [12:29] <netrunner> clifford: qemu will not use kqemu. [12:29] <netrunner> kqemu is a kernel module. [12:30] <netrunner> which is used by qemu to speed up its services. [12:30] <clifford> yes. but kquemu would be in the same package or at least be related. [12:30] <clifford> so the [L] flag would be wrong. [12:30] <clifford> and this is a very serious issue! [12:30] <netrunner> we can change it to OpenSource ... [12:30] <clifford> it is not OpenSource [12:30] <netrunner> it is. you can download the source :) [12:31] <netrunner> how is opensource defined? [12:31] <blindcoder> opensource.org? [12:32] <clifford> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Definition [12:32] <clifford> https://opensource.org/docs/definition.php [12:33] <clifford> https://www.opensource.org/ --> What the fuck?? [12:33] <blindcoder> WEEE [12:33] <blindcoder> someone fucked up the dns :) [12:35] <blindcoder> anyway, back to work [12:35] <blindcoder> bbl [12:35] <netrunner> clifford: what to do? should I create a seperate package and rename the binaries it contains? noone will understand that ... [12:36] <netrunner> clifford: I even cannot create the package as long as we have no valid license tag for it. [12:40] <clifford> what exactly are the conditions? [12:40] <clifford> it eaighter is "Free-to-use" or "Commercial". [12:42] <clifford> afk (lunch) [12:43] [anders-mcafee] (n=assassin@213.208.70.155) left irc: "Mesen orrrf..." [12:44] <netrunner> clifford: I will forward you the mail he sent to me. [12:45] <netrunner> clifford: btw, have you received my sms yesterday? I hope you have not answered :) [12:52] [anders-mcafee] (n=assassin@213.208.70.155) joined #rocklinux. [13:05] <clifford> netrunner: /dev/md/4 23G 14G 7.0G 67% /data [13:05] [anders-mcafee] (n=assassin@213.208.70.155) left irc: "Mesen orrrf..." [13:05] <clifford> .. that's better now. [13:05] [anders-mcafee] (n=assassin@213.208.70.155) joined #rocklinux. [13:06] <netrunner> jo [13:06] <netrunner> mailman told me :) [13:30] markuman (n=supermar@p5092556C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:36] _BoS_ (n=BoS@dslb-084-059-227-139.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:36] _BoS_ (n=BoS@dslb-084-059-226-114.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [14:45] <owl> moin [15:11] owl (n=owl@62.4.80.218) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:54] <clifford> https://www.rocklinux.net/pipermail/spl/2005-November/000093.html [15:59] <blindcoder> re [16:07] madtux (i=manolo@pf0.hostarica.com) joined #rocklinux. [16:07] <madtux> hello [16:09] <blindcoder> moin madtux [16:09] <madtux> yar :) [16:10] <blindcoder> pirates! [16:10] <madtux> bah :) [16:11] <blindcoder> you're not a pirate? [16:11] <madtux> so i have been moved to any new office. got a HUGE window with a really nice view of the city and the mountains behind it... all for me [16:11] <madtux> :) [16:11] <madtux> blindcoder: depends... are you? [16:12] <madtux> also they replaced my fuzzy 17" crt, with a NICE 19" flat screen [16:14] <blindcoder> sweet [16:14] <blindcoder> no, I'm a Kendoka :P [16:16] <madtux> i though you were samurai [16:16] <blindcoder> almost the same [16:17] <madtux> ok blindy-chan [16:17] <madtux> :) [16:17] <blindcoder> pff [16:19] <madtux> hmpf [16:19] <madtux> :) [16:21] owl (n=owl@62.4.80.218) joined #rocklinux. [16:21] <owl> re [16:21] <blindcoder> moin owl [16:21] <madtux> hello owlita [16:21] <owl> hi blindcoder [16:21] <owl> hi madtux ;) [16:36] <blindcoder> okay, this must be one of the dumbest things I ever saw [16:37] <blindcoder> Originally posted by meranto [16:37] <blindcoder> The reason why not everything is placed in "/" is that you can't use the same filename twice, so in the end you would have terribly long weird filenames. [16:37] <madtux> 0_o [16:38] <blindcoder> The original question was why to use multiple filesystems for /boot, /home, / and not just one big / [16:38] <mnemoc> in my case because / is real and the others are on LVM [16:38] <th> in my case / is on LVM too [16:39] <th> only /boot is real [16:39] <mnemoc> th: :) [16:39] <mnemoc> th: i guess i'll do that too [16:39] <blindcoder> well, /boot is real, / and /home are encrypted :) [16:39] <th> lvm/crypt all the same [16:39] <mnemoc> :) [16:39] <th> (+md) [16:42] <blindcoder> th: time to write a rockinitrd plugin for lvm *hide* [16:43] <th> initrd is too 80th for me ;) [16:43] <th> i boot through my rescue target [16:43] <th> which is a bit outdated due to udev [16:55] <blindcoder> building a distribution just to boot my machine is too impractical for me :P [17:01] <netrunner> apropos udev: I read some things and I think we should put udevstart to /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug. it will call hotplug by itself... [17:01] <netrunner> and there should be udevd startscript [17:02] <clifford> netrunner: [2005111114093624063] [17:06] <esden> hi ho everyone [17:06] <netrunner> ok. still missing the udevstart part. [17:06] <th> blindcoder: call it "distribution" call it "package" what's the diff? [17:08] <blindcoder> th: the diff is calling "mkinitrd" and waiting a few seconds to calling Build-Target and waiting however long it takes to build it [17:08] pilot (i=pilot@moscow.etcnet.org) joined #rocklinux. [17:08] <blindcoder> netrunner: udev will be called by hotplug [17:08] <blindcoder> moin esden [17:08] <pilot> hi all [17:09] <blindcoder> moin pilot [17:12] <netrunner> blindcoder: I want udev to be called by the kernel. [17:12] <blindcoder> netrunner: why? [17:12] <blindcoder> netrunner: also, IIRC you would have to put "udev" or "udevsend" there, never "udevstart" [17:12] <netrunner> hal needs this, as hotplug does not forward all necessary information. [17:13] <netrunner> blindcoder: sorry, my bad, I meant udevsend [17:13] <blindcoder> ah, I see [17:13] <blindcoder> so, how does hardware detection with hal work? [17:14] <netrunner> half-way. I had old version first, as it works with kde3.4. but it had problems. [17:14] <esden> blindcoder: I found some things for you ... documentation for your palm ;) [17:14] <blindcoder> humm [17:14] <netrunner> so I upgraded, but the new version needs the udevsend there. [17:14] <esden> do you want it or should I throw it away? [17:14] <netrunner> I currently get a nice entry for plugged disks. Still have to find a way to get them automatically mouted. [17:14] <blindcoder> netrunner: So, the old version doesn't do hardware detection and the new one doesn't work with KDE? [17:14] <blindcoder> esden: the Tungsten E? [17:14] <netrunner> the new version works with kde 3.5 [17:15] Freak (n=freak@83.151.30.172) got netsplit. [17:15] <blindcoder> 3e.5 isn't "stable" yet, is it? [17:15] <netrunner> no. [17:15] Freak (n=nfreak@erleuchtet.org) joined #rocklinux. [17:15] <blindcoder> I think we should postpone hal until KDE 3.5 then [17:15] <netrunner> bur already rc. until I managed to understand hal, 3.5 will be out :) [17:15] <esden> blindcoder: Tungsten? [17:16] <netrunner> I have found irclogs of t2, rene was cursing about hal :) [17:16] <esden> blindcoder: the palm you bought from me [17:16] <blindcoder> netrunner: you should create those patches still and put a comment there to wait until KDE 3.5 with them [17:16] <esden> the old one ... with b&w lcd [17:16] <blindcoder> esden: uff, I threw that one away a few years ago because the display broke [17:16] <netrunner> blindcoder: it works without kde. just kde 3.5 will enable kioslave's for hal 0.5 [17:16] <esden> ahh ok ... then I throw the stuff away [17:17] <blindcoder> netrunner: ah, okay. So if I build KDE 3.4 with hal 0.5 nothing will happen? Also no breakage? [17:17] <blindcoder> esden: do that :) [17:17] <esden> blindcoder: good ;) [17:20] <netrunner> blindcoder: remains to be tested :) [17:21] <blindcoder> netrunner: please do and submit the changes if it works. [17:21] <blindcoder> I'm very interested in HAL because it gives me some nice ideas for LVP and the encryption plugin for rockinitrd [17:22] pilot (i=pilot@moscow.etcnet.org) left irc: "leaving" [17:29] <esden> humm ... liquid nitrogen icecream ... nice [17:29] <blindcoder> o_O [17:52] <esden> blindcoder: https://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000307067503/ [18:06] nookie__ (n=nookie@M400P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:06] nookie___ (n=nookie@M400P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:25] <netrunner> hm. ivman now mounts my usb devices ... [18:30] madtux (i=manolo@pf0.hostarica.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" [18:37] <netrunner> clifford: so say something about the license tag of qt. it cannot be more wrong. [18:40] <netrunner> (it is only valid vor qt >4.0) [18:43] <netrunner> s/vo/fo/ [18:58] elpedroson (n=elpedros@c90630db.virtua.com.br) joined #rocklinux. [18:58] <elpedroson> hello [18:58] <elpedroson> does anyone knows a good wine irc chanel? [18:58] <netrunner> #wine probably :) [18:58] <netrunner> bbl [18:59] <elpedroson> lol [18:59] <elpedroson> how about a Diablo II chanel? [19:00] elpedroson (n=elpedros@c90630db.virtua.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [19:02] mnemoc (n=amery@200.75.27.117) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:03] mnemoc (n=amery@200.75.27.74) joined #rocklinux. [19:50] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@dslb-084-059-137-081.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:51] blindcoder (n=blindcod@dslb-084-059-061-045.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. 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