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[08:22] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [08:32] <owl> moin [08:49] <blindcoder> moin [08:50] <ubijtsa> *yawn* [08:50] <blindcoder> indeed [08:51] <blindcoder> I should have been to work an hour ago [08:51] <blindcoder> but I totally overslept [08:51] Action: ubijtsa just arrived in to work [08:51] <ubijtsa> 56 miles from home [08:51] <blindcoder> I'm still having breakfast :) [08:51] <ubijtsa> :) [08:52] <blindcoder> I used to wark 100 km from home [08:52] <blindcoder> for four years [08:52] <ubijtsa> dunno how you could stand to travel that distance for 4 years [08:52] <blindcoder> well, job training, didn't have enough money to move out from my parents [08:54] <ubijtsa> there is that I guess [08:54] <ubijtsa> I am getting a perl course later this month [08:55] <blindcoder> nice [08:55] <blindcoder> perl is a nice language for implementing stuff quickly [08:55] <ubijtsa> yeah.. nothing special tho.. just hope the course will teach me something I don't already know [08:57] <blindcoder> good luck :) [08:58] <ubijtsa> :) [08:58] <ubijtsa> ta [09:00] <blindcoder> okay, the coffee is empty and I should head to work now [09:00] <blindcoder> brb [09:06] <esden> moin [09:35] <blindcoder> back [09:36] <owl> hi esden , blindcoder [09:37] sparc-kl1 (n=sparc-kl@64.237.247.25) joined #rocklinux. [09:40] <blindcoder> moin owly [09:51] sparc-kly (n=sparc-kl@64.237.250.95) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:14] SteffenP (n=steffen@p5499496E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [11:59] [raphael] (n=raphael@lehrenetz.fh-wels.at) joined #rocklinux. [12:09] SteffenP (n=steffen@p5499496E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [12:49] blindcoder (i=debian-t@tor/session/x-bdd93e8b56f61afb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:51] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor01.nycbug.org) joined #rocklinux. [16:05] demian (n=Jonathan@201.206.44.210) joined #rocklinux. [16:05] <demian> hi [16:05] <blindcoder> moin [16:05] <stf^rocklinux> hi demian [16:05] <blindcoder> so [16:05] <blindcoder> what am I doing wrong if "GPGME was compiled without support for OpenPGP"? [16:05] <blindcoder> and how do I fix it? [16:06] <demian> :) [16:07] <blindcoder> do I have to rebuild kmail [16:07] <blindcoder> ? [16:09] <stf^rocklinux> read configure and try to find out what the check does [16:09] <blindcoder> GnuPG path: /usr/bin/gpg [16:09] <blindcoder> GnuPG version: 1.4.0, min. 1.2.2 [16:09] <blindcoder> it finds the program [16:11] <blindcoder> hmm [16:11] <blindcoder> I'm missing pth and libgcrypt [16:12] <blindcoder> okay... [16:13] <blindcoder> I wonder why using gpg is so fscking difficult with kmail (running daemons, editing your gpg configuration) and "just works" with mutt [16:15] <stf^rocklinux> which daemons? [16:15] <daja77_> because it does more than simple gpg iirc [16:18] <blindcoder> gpg-agent --daemon [16:18] <blindcoder> daja77_: but I just want to encrypt my mail... [16:18] <blindcoder> daja77_: with mozilla, it's just installing the enigmail plugin [16:19] <blindcoder> daja77_: with mutt it's just installing gpg and sourcing a config file in muttrc [16:19] Freak (n=freak@dslb-082-083-191-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [16:19] <blindcoder> which just adjusts some mutt setting [16:20] <blindcoder> if THAT (https://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html) is what it takes to get mail encryption working in one of the most popular desktop environments on linux systems it's no wonder that nearly no one is using it! [16:20] <daja77_> blindcoder: crystal ships everything you need, no? [16:22] <blindcoder> daja77_: not the one I have here [16:22] <blindcoder> daja77_: and it probably doesn't start gpg-agent --daemon, does it? [16:22] <daja77_> perhaps not [16:23] <blindcoder> and it doesn't adjust my ~/.gnupg/gpg.con [16:23] <blindcoder> f [16:23] <daja77_> but iirc you only need the daemon if don't want to insert the passphrase all the time, the encryption works anyway [16:23] <blindcoder> aah [16:23] <blindcoder> at least something [16:24] SteffenP (i=steffen@p5499496E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [16:24] <blindcoder> still doesn't work [16:25] <daja77_> you don't even need all of this stuff for basic support, at least it does for me [16:25] <blindcoder> do I need to recompile kmail? [16:25] <blindcoder> well, I didn't have gpgme on my system [16:25] <daja77_> hm [16:25] [raphael] (n=raphael@lehrenetz.fh-wels.at) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [16:26] <blindcoder> daja77_: any idea? [16:26] <daja77_> hm atm no [16:27] <blindcoder> hmpf [16:27] <daja77_> i don't even know what is not working exactly [16:27] Action: blindcoder joining #kde [16:27] <daja77_> ah that reminds me .. thx [16:27] <blindcoder> if I click on "rescan" in kmail -> settings -> security [16:27] <blindcoder> it says gpgme is compiled without openpgp support [16:28] <daja77_> hm [16:28] <stf^rocklinux> if gpgme was not available at build time, then kmail is most probably not built with cryptography support at all [16:29] <stf^rocklinux> then you'd have to rebuild kmail [16:29] <stf^rocklinux> if gpgme was available, then you'd probably only have to rebuild gpgme with openpgp support [16:29] Freak_ (n=freak@dslb-082-083-196-195.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:30] <blindcoder> damn :( [16:30] <stf^rocklinux> is rebuilding gpgme a problem? If not, I'd try this first. [16:30] <blindcoder> I did [16:30] <blindcoder> twice [16:38] <stf^rocklinux> hm, I get the same error message on rescan here... [16:39] <blindcoder> well, and #kde is as responsive as I expected it to be [16:39] <stf^rocklinux> scan for OpenPGP failed, but S/MIME (gpgsm) is found in the list of available backends [16:40] <stf^rocklinux> daja, what does your kmail say? PGP support works on your machine, right? [16:40] <daja77_> my kmail is atm home [16:41] <stf^rocklinux> ok [16:48] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: can you choose S/MIME (gpgsm) instead of OpenPGP in the list of available backends? [16:51] <blindcoder> no [16:51] <blindcoder> I also don't have gpgsm, what package is that? [16:51] <stf^rocklinux> it's part of gnupg2 [16:52] <blindcoder> building... [16:52] <daja77_> stf^rocklinux: how is your gcc4 progress? [16:52] <stf^rocklinux> it's an alternative to openpgp, which we don't have in trunk btw. [16:52] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: so it wouldn't work anyway? [16:52] <stf^rocklinux> daja77_: I did a full generic build with and without gcc4 as default compiler [16:53] <daja77_> how many errors? [16:53] <stf^rocklinux> about 60 additional failed packages in the gcc4 build [16:53] <daja77_> hm had about 130 [16:54] <daja77_> some are really stupid [16:55] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: gnupg2 should act as a drop-in replacment to openpgp, if that's what you mean [16:56] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: okay, built gnupg2 and rebuit gpgme, still fails [16:56] <blindcoder> seems I need to rebuild kdepim after all :( [16:57] <esden> bopp [16:59] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: no gpgsm in the list? [17:00] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: gpgme finds it, but kmail still resists [17:00] <blindcoder> GPGME v1.0.3 has been configured as follows: [17:00] <blindcoder> GnuPG path: /usr/bin/gpg [17:00] <blindcoder> GnuPG version: 1.4.0, min. 1.2.2 [17:00] <blindcoder> GpgSM path: /usr/bin/gpgsm [17:00] <blindcoder> GpgSM version: 1.9.19, min. 1.9.6 [17:00] <blindcoder> GPGME Pthread: yes [17:00] <blindcoder> GPGME Pth: yes [17:00] <blindcoder> and #kde is even less helpful than I expected [17:01] <stf^rocklinux> how do you test gpg functionality? I can't find a simple test-case [17:01] <blindcoder> by clicking on rescan? [17:01] <stf^rocklinux> in kmail of course [17:01] <blindcoder> yes, by clicking "rescan" [17:01] <daja77_> hm write an encryptet mail .. [17:03] <stf^rocklinux> ah, ok here kmail complains about gpgme being not compiled with openpgp support, but since I can check gpgsm in the list, it's probably not a problem. [17:12] <blindcoder> hmm [17:12] <blindcoder> I wontder [17:12] <blindcoder> I have kde 3.4.2 installed [17:12] <blindcoder> but ROCK is already at 3.5.0 [17:13] <blindcoder> is it possible to have a kde* 3.4.2 and kdepim 3.5.0? [17:13] <daja77_> can't tell [17:13] <blindcoder> *sigh* [17:13] <daja77_> it might work and it might not [17:13] <blindcoder> try the "very helpful" channel once more [17:13] <daja77_> it works to have 3.4.1 and 3.4.3 packages mixed up [17:14] <blindcoder> yeah, but that's just a patch level [17:15] <daja77_> you see [17:16] <blindcoder> okay, #kde is just as responsive as before and I'm getting quite pissed now [17:16] Action: daja77_ waiting for the blog rant [17:16] <blindcoder> I would write one, but konqueror crashed [17:16] <daja77_> firefox? [17:17] <blindcoder> yeah, probabyy [17:17] <blindcoder> humm [17:17] <blindcoder> daja77_: could you join #kde and look if you see my lines? [17:17] <stf^rocklinux> maybe adding an openpgp package and rebuilding gpgme helps... [18:03] <SMP> w000t [18:03] <SMP> "After more than one year of active development, GnomeMeeting has reborn on the form of Ekiga. Ekiga is a SIP and H.323 application, supporting audio and video, and is the successor of GnomeMeeting. The first BETA release is available on https://www.ekiga.org." [18:04] <daja77_> nice [18:05] <th> i'd love to have a netmeeting client that supports application sharing for linux [18:06] Action: SMP waves over to th [18:07] <th> hey SMP [18:07] Action: daja77_ waves to SMP and th [18:09] <th> hey daja77_ [18:09] <SMP> I finished exams yesterday. so I can tackle ROCK stuff, esp. Gnome 2.12, again ... [18:10] <SMP> at least, if I can drag myself away from the Asterisk test-adventure ... telephony routing is just too much fun ;-) [18:10] <SMP> s,test-,text, [18:19] <th> SMP: you have isdn already? [18:20] <daja77_> SMP for gnome, go go go! ;) [18:20] <SMP> you mean, working with *? no. I've built a 2.6.15.1 and I'll try booting it soon -- then I'll try to sort it out with capi-cm first. [18:23] <SMP> haven't even looked at that since .. August or so [18:24] <th> capi-cm? [18:24] <th> chan_misdn... [18:24] <th> we got call deflection working... [18:28] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: I removed gnupg, gnupg2 and gpgme from my system, and rebuild gnupg + gpgme, and now encryption in kmail works :) [18:29] <stf^rocklinux> I also build openldap before gnupg + gpgme (openldap was not installed before) [18:29] <stf^rocklinux> and I built dirmngr, which is not in trunk yet [18:31] <SMP> th: which kernel should one use then? what versions of misdn code? [18:32] <th> SMP: i think you can use the 0.3 tree [18:32] <th> svn checkout [18:32] <th> and there are scripts in there to checkout misdn stuff [18:32] <th> and you SHOULD use these version [18:32] <th> although you can do it manually [18:33] <SMP> does it work with my B1? does it have echo cancellation? [18:45] <th> it has echo cancellation [18:45] <th> i dont know about the b [18:45] <th> i dont know about the b1 [18:45] <th> but it works with a < 50EUR hfc card [18:46] <th> and with the more expensive 8x card [18:48] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: rebuilding kmail did the trick, too [18:48] <SMP> yeah, I though about getting a hfc card. has the advantage I can use vISDN ;-p [18:48] <blindcoder> okay, so it _is_ possible to have KDE 3.5.0 and 3.4.2 versions mixed [18:48] <daja77_> blindcoder: :) [18:49] <blindcoder> but it seems I still need the gpg-agent [18:50] <stf^rocklinux> what for? [18:50] <blindcoder> no idea [18:50] <blindcoder> but I can't decrypt mail without it [18:51] <blindcoder> hmm [18:52] <blindcoder> it displays encrypted mails as an empty mail with an encrypted attachment... [18:52] <daja77_> hm I could [18:52] <blindcoder> Encrypted message (decryption not possible) [18:52] <blindcoder> Reason: Crypto plug-in "openpgp" could not decrypt the data. [18:52] <blindcoder> Error: Bad passphrase [18:53] <blindcoder> it didn't even ask me for a passphrase [18:53] <stf^rocklinux> chances are you need pinentry installed [18:54] <blindcoder> blindcoder@fuzzy:~$ mine -q pinentry [18:54] <blindcoder> pinentry 0.7.2 0 [18:54] <stf^rocklinux> start kmail from a konsole, try again and take a look at output on console, maybe there is an error message there [18:56] <blindcoder> error: kmail was started [18:56] <blindcoder> nope [18:57] <blindcoder> cool, it shows application/pgp as attachment and asks what I want to open it with [18:57] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) joined #rocklinux. [18:57] <blindcoder> what application [18:57] <daja77_> .oO (error: kmail was started <- quoted for truth) [18:57] <blindcoder> but it correctly detects it as PGP encrypted or signed message [18:58] <[raphael]> are you working on getting PGP encryption working? [18:58] Action: [raphael] would welcome that [18:59] <blindcoder> yes [18:59] <blindcoder> but this fucking piece of crap called kmail is nothing but a goddamn pain in the ass [19:00] <blindcoder> the devs probaby never ever tried using encryption! [19:00] <blindcoder> or they perform some mystical raindance in front of their computer before opening an encrypted message [19:01] <daja77_> they did, I know at least one ;) [19:02] <blindcoder> https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/kcrap.jpg [19:02] <daja77_> you should call it krap ;) [19:03] <blindcoder> gpgconf: warning: can not open config file /home/blindcoder/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf: No such file or directory [19:03] <blindcoder> libkleopatra: WARNING: Running 'gpgconf --list-options dirmngr' failed. Operation not permitted, but try that command to see the real output [19:03] <blindcoder> ... [19:03] <stf^rocklinux> dirmngr is missing [19:03] <blindcoder> SO WHY THE FUCK DON'T TEHY INCLUDE IT IN THAT CRAPPY HOWTO? [19:04] <stf^rocklinux> if have created a package for it, will be in sm in a few minutes [19:04] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: can you send a patch for it to submaster since you already packaged it? [19:04] <blindcoder> thanks [19:04] <stf^rocklinux> btw. dirmngr requires openldap [19:05] <daja77_> @_@ [19:06] <blindcoder> okay, screw it [19:06] <blindcoder> I'm gonna keep using mozilla [19:07] <[raphael]> blindcoder: encryption works with kmail, I'm using it [19:07] <[raphael]> blindcoder: you just don't compile gpgme with OpenPGP support, you're missing some libraries [19:09] <[raphael]> or sth different, I didn't look into the details what is missing in crystal [19:09] <blindcoder> [raphael]: I did [19:09] <blindcoder> GPGME v1.0.3 has been configured as follows: [19:09] <blindcoder> GnuPG path: /usr/bin/gpg [19:09] <blindcoder> GnuPG version: 1.4.0, min. 1.2.2 [19:09] <blindcoder> GpgSM path: /usr/bin/gpgsm [19:09] <blindcoder> GpgSM version: 1.9.19, min. 1.9.6 [19:09] <blindcoder> GPGME Pthread: yes [19:09] <blindcoder> GPGME Pth: yes [19:09] <[raphael]> aha, so why is it not working? [19:10] <[raphael]> oh, dirmngr [19:10] <blindcoder> why do you ask ME? [19:10] <[raphael]> yes, I know, I'm asking the wrong one... [19:10] <blindcoder> because KDE is KraP? [19:10] <blindcoder> mutt just needs gnupg and nothing else [19:10] <[raphael]> well, OTOH I could look into the kmail source to see what's wrong there [19:10] <blindcoder> mozilla with enigmail just needs gnupg and nothing else [19:11] <blindcoder> just this fucking piece of krap needs a metric fuckton of extra stuff [19:11] <[raphael]> blindcoder: you should complain on #kontact [19:11] <blindcoder> [raphael]: are they as responsive as #kde? [19:11] Action: [raphael] goes back to work [19:12] <blindcoder> because I could just as well talk to my plush tux as to #kde [19:12] <[raphael]> blindcoder: depends, I try to avoid #kde [19:12] <[raphael]> too many questions there, takes a lot of time [19:12] <[raphael]> blindcoder: in #kontact they actually do respond [19:12] <blindcoder> well, obviously I was unwanted there, because the three people that came ten minutes after me were served immediately [19:13] <[raphael]> blindcoder: ... I just checked #kontact, I don't recognize anyone there, so I don't know how many of them are kmail devs [19:13] <[raphael]> (kdepim is not my field of work) [19:13] <blindcoder> I see [19:13] <blindcoder> well, I think I'll just stick to mozilla [19:14] <blindcoder> simply for the reason that it works and works easily [19:15] <daja77_> i think it is the groupware part that makes it more complicated [19:17] <blindcoder> how does groupware make "| gpg -d" difficult? [19:18] <daja77_> the whole thing :) [19:21] <blindcoder> I don't get your point, but forget it [19:21] <blindcoder> I'm pissed at kmail right now [19:21] <blindcoder> maybe again in a few releases [19:23] <daja77_> don't worry [19:24] <SMP> it used to work jolly fine, though ... [19:25] <stf^rocklinux> maybe it is a problem that gnupg2 is a core package and gnupg is not [19:25] <blindcoder> yeah, now it needs a shitload of extra stuff, daemons, changes to your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and an additional file in ~/.kde/ that you must create manually [19:25] <blindcoder> and you have to start the daemon from your ~/.xsession and eval its output because its output is setting an environment variable that is needed to talk to the daemon [19:25] <stf^rocklinux> after all gnupg2 is a development release [19:26] <blindcoder> eval $(gpg--agent --daemon) [19:52] Action: esden messing around with pallas apache ... only for blindcoder's information ;) [19:53] <blindcoder> esden: have fun, but remember to pick up the pieces when you crash it [19:53] <esden> blindcoder: ack ... will do [19:56] <th> SMP: in any case you need the new mqueue branch of misdn for the 0.3.0 tree to work. [19:56] <th> SMP: i have this in production already [20:05] <stf^rocklinux> in case somebody still cares: kmail 3.4.3 here signs and encrypts messages and checks signatures [20:06] <stf^rocklinux> but for some reason it does not ask for a passphrase when decrypting, so it fails with the error "wrong passprhase" [20:06] <stf^rocklinux> encrypted mails can be decrypted with e.g. Kgpg or gpg, though [20:11] <SMP> kgpg can decrypt gpg/mime? [20:12] <stf^rocklinux> don't know, I currently have only the OpenPGP backend available [20:12] <stf^rocklinux> in kmail [20:13] <SMP> what do you mean OpenPGP backend? do the mails have mime-detached signatures or is it just plain ------BEGIN PGP MESSAGE------ ...? [20:14] <stf^rocklinux> in kmail: Settings -> Security -> Crypto-Modules [20:14] <stf^rocklinux> there's a list of available gpgme backends [20:17] <stf^rocklinux> mails contain -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- [20:18] <stf^rocklinux> the encrypted part of a mail is an attachment named msg.asc containing the PGP MESSAGE [20:19] <SMP> I don't think that method actually need all that Ägypten magic, just pipes the mail through gpg [20:20] <stf^rocklinux> yes, but kmail doesn't ask for any passprhase, that's the problem [20:20] <blindcoder> my words exactly [20:20] <blindcoder> but Krap is doing everything differently and nothing better I think [20:21] <stf^rocklinux> actually, it ask's for a passphrase when signing mails... [20:40] <blindcoder> netrunner: reading you on pilgerer is kinda funny. especially when knowing the context :) [20:41] <stf^rocklinux> ok, i've followed instructions at https://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html and decryption works now [20:41] <stf^rocklinux> without gpg-agent running, kmail won't ask for a passphrase :P [20:41] <stf^rocklinux> when decrypting [20:44] <blindcoder> I don't even want to THINK about that [20:45] <stf^rocklinux> it's obviously a bug [20:45] <blindcoder> no, it's a feature since it's documented [20:47] <stf^rocklinux> the howto refers only to OpenPGP/MIME, but the bug appears with inline PGP also [20:48] <blindcoder> okay [20:48] <stf^rocklinux> and kmail asks for passphrases when signing mails even without gpg-agent, so there's no reason to do otherwise when decrypting [20:51] <[raphael]> now.... can you wind that up and send either me or the kmail people a bug report? If you know what's wrong - if there is something wrong [20:52] <blindcoder> [raphael]: the very thing that kmail needs a daemon running which must be started from .xsession and whose output must be eval'd is _WRONG_ [20:52] <blindcoder> but I should really stop [20:52] <blindcoder> I'm just flaming around now [20:56] <[raphael]> blindcoder: kmail also works without the daemon, it just tells you that you have to enter the passphrase for every email you send [20:56] <[raphael]> given that the setup is correct, if kmail fails to correctly detect gpg, then that is a bug, not that it needs a daemon [20:56] <[raphael]> (which it doesn't need) [20:57] <[raphael]> it probably isn't even documented how to set it up without a daemon, but you can even "turn" the option on and of in the crypto modules - the option being whether to use gpg-agent or not [20:57] <stf^rocklinux> raphael, daja: do you have a setup where kmail decryption is working without gpg-agent? [20:57] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: I had one, on my laptop [20:57] <[raphael]> But I installed ROCK on it [20:58] <[raphael]> so now I have a setup that doesn't use a daemon and also doesn't work [20:58] <stf^rocklinux> did you test it doesn't work? [20:58] <[raphael]> the other one was FreeBSD, I was too lazy to set up the daemon, so it just told me that I need to enter the password every time [20:59] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: I cannot even select the GPG encryption - I'll check whether a signed mail can be read [21:00] <blindcoder> well, with current crystal it _should_ work... but it also _should_ work with my currnet installation [21:01] <stf^rocklinux> is there a kmail/kdepim specific channel? [21:02] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: #kontact [21:02] <[raphael]> on this very server [21:07] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: well, kmail doesn't let me read encrypted mails, of course [21:08] <[raphael]> and in the crypto options I can't select OpenPGP support (for GPGME) because it tells me (when I click "Einlesen") that GPGME was compiled without OpenGPG support, and that "might" be a wrong [21:09] <blindcoder> well, gpgme detects gnupg here [21:09] <blindcoder> and kmail detects gnupg support in gpgme [21:09] <blindcoder> but then doesn't use it [21:09] <blindcoder> though that just _might_ be because kdepim is 3.5.0 and everything else is 3.4.2 [21:09] <[raphael]> it doesn't here (doesn't detect it) [21:10] <[raphael]> blindcoder: I do NOT have any gpg binary [21:11] <[raphael]> so I guess kmail is telling me the correct thing: there is no gpg installed [21:11] <blindcoder> [raphael]: mine -q gnupg [21:11] <[raphael]> anyway, I shouldn't even be in front of my computer... [21:11] <blindcoder> neither should I [21:11] <blindcoder> I should be out having fun [21:11] <blindcoder> but I'm too lazy to get off my seat [21:11] <[raphael]> blindcoder: no, it's not installed [21:11] <[raphael]> and which package is it? [21:12] <blindcoder> gnupg :) [21:12] <[raphael]> oh, yes, sure :) [21:13] <[raphael]> and then I'll rebuild gpgme [21:13] <stf^rocklinux> afaics the OpenPGP backend is in gnupg and the S/MIME in gnupg2 (which is actually a development release) [21:13] <[raphael]> and then it's supposed to work [21:13] <blindcoder> [raphael]: well, that's te setup I have here [21:13] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: that might be very correct, because kmail DOES tell me it has S/MIME support [21:14] <[raphael]> (with the gpgme thing) [21:14] <[raphael]> It works on NetBSD, with the agent and all, OpenGPG that is [21:14] <[raphael]> well, I won't finish all this today, I really need to do some other stuff [21:15] <stf^rocklinux> when the rebuild is done both backends should available, but decryption will probably not work without a running gpg-agent [21:30] Action: [raphael] finished building gnupg, now rebuilding gpgme [21:36] <stf^rocklinux> the bug is filed: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83463 [21:37] <stf^rocklinux> but it was marked as invalid because it was for an old version and the editors excepted the bug reporter to have gpg-agent running... [21:37] sparc-kly (n=sparc-kl@64.237.251.186) joined #rocklinux. [21:39] <blindcoder> sooo [21:39] <blindcoder> it won't be fixed because it conflicts with their worldview, right? [21:39] <stf^rocklinux> I'll write a new bug report :) [21:39] <stf^rocklinux> no, the main reason to put this of was because gpg support was completely rewritten in the meantime [21:40] <stf^rocklinux> afaics [21:40] <blindcoder> so [21:40] <blindcoder> I'm running 3.5.0 and _nothing_ works [21:40] <blindcoder> which clearly supports my view on "rewrite from scratch" [21:40] <[raphael]> blindcoder: you shouldn't mix kde versions [21:41] <blindcoder> [raphael]: yes, and that's why I'm not gonna bitch about this in every kde channel known to mankintd [21:41] <blindcoder> sorry, I'm in a foul mood toda [21:41] <blindcoder> y [21:42] <blindcoder> which is only partly based on me being unable to get encryption going in kmail [21:43] <stf^rocklinux> everything except decryption works here, with the OpenPGP backend [21:43] <stf^rocklinux> for S/MIME, I can't even create a pair of keys [21:44] <stf^rocklinux> user@firefox:/usr/src/ROCK-TRUNK$ gpgsm --gen-key [21:44] <stf^rocklinux> gpgsm: NOTE: THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT VERSION! [21:44] <stf^rocklinux> gpgsm: It is only intended for test purposes and should NOT be [21:44] <stf^rocklinux> gpgsm: used in a production environment or with production keys! [21:44] <stf^rocklinux> gpgsm: this function is not yet available from the commandline [21:44] <stf^rocklinux> :S [21:45] <blindcoder> today is definately not my day [21:45] <[raphael]> blindcoder: welcome to the club [21:46] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: do you have pinentry installed? [21:47] <stf^rocklinux> yes, but afaik it's only needed for the certificate manager [21:47] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: no, kmail itself uses it as well [21:47] <[raphael]> at least in kde 3.5.0 [21:51] <[raphael]> OpenGPG decryption is functional [21:51] <[raphael]> and so is S/MIME decryption [21:51] <[raphael]> I'll submit a patch to sm tomorrow [21:51] <stf^rocklinux> so pinentry has to be a CORE package [21:52] <[raphael]> note to myself: flag gnupg, pinentry as CORE [21:52] <stf^rocklinux> as well as gnupg, if we want encryption support for kmail in Crystal targets [21:52] <stf^rocklinux> :-) [21:53] <[raphael]> yes, I hope that is all :) [21:53] <stf^rocklinux> that should leave only decryption non-working [21:53] <[raphael]> yes, these two, that is it, I don't have anything else OpenGPG related in /var/adm/logs, so the rest is already in crystal (CORE) [21:54] <blindcoder> so, anyone have an idea what to do on a forced vacation friday? [21:54] <stf^rocklinux> do what you feel like? [21:57] <blindcoder> binge drinking [21:57] sparc-kl1 (n=sparc-kl@64.237.247.25) left irc: Connection timed out [22:03] <stf^rocklinux> well, that's already an option [22:04] <stf^rocklinux> or read a book, plant a tree, go to the theatre, write a letter, go out with friends, the options are really endless... [22:04] <blindcoder> Einen Baum faellen, ein Kind verpruegeln und ein Haus abreissen. [22:05] <blindcoder> well... no friends in Berlin [22:05] <blindcoder> book, yeah I wanted to buy the geisha book. [22:05] <stf^rocklinux> is that the list of things a man should do in his live? ^^ [22:05] <blindcoder> yes :) [22:05] Action: owl offers a part of her brain [22:06] <stf^rocklinux> oh, man, I'm way behind the schedule [22:06] <blindcoder> well, I have planted the tree and I'll be inheriting a house [22:06] <blindcoder> so all that's left is find some whore [22:06] <owl> O_o [22:06] <blindcoder> owl: what? [22:06] <owl> blindcoder: you sound a "bit" depressed. [22:07] <owl> sigh. i am *sooooo* anxious. [22:08] <blindcoder> owl: forced vacation day tomorrow, being used as a meat shield by your boss against his boss [22:08] <blindcoder> being told that the closest person to a friend will leave the city in one to two months [22:08] <blindcoder> and having realized that the beer you have has gone bad [22:08] <blindcoder> there are days when you should just stay in bed [22:08] <owl> blindcoder: meat shield? in what wy? [22:09] <blindcoder> oh, there's this little vendetta my boss's boss has [22:09] <owl> blindcoder: those days i have every time i am seeing this strange sexually transmitted disease, called php [22:10] <blindcoder> and me and the two people in the same room as I am are used as meat-shields in said vendetta [22:10] <owl> blindcoder: then tell him, that he's an idiot and he has to fight his own war [22:10] <blindcoder> heh [22:10] <blindcoder> that'd be politically problematic... [22:10] <owl> why? :) [22:10] <owl> fear of being kicked off ? [22:11] <blindcoder> it probably wouldn't even be the worst thing [22:11] <blindcoder> I could move back to IN [22:11] <owl> might you should try a more diplomatic way... [22:11] <blindcoder> but I don't want to [22:11] <owl> SIGH. [22:12] <owl> might i kick you now? [22:12] <owl> why don't you want? [22:12] <blindcoder> yeah, that's what the three of us are planning to do [22:12] <blindcoder> owl: no [22:12] <blindcoder> owl: problem with going back to IN is that I'd have to move back in with my parents [22:12] <blindcoder> and THAT's what I don't want to [22:13] <blindcoder> just because [22:13] <owl> blindcoder: sigh. ok. then you can't say "i dont want", but "i won't say because of.." [22:13] <owl> (explaining men communication forms is like talking to a wall) [22:14] <blindcoder> I prefer talking to my plush tux [22:14] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: am I right that both your boss and your boss's boss could get you fired? [22:14] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: yupp, that makes this so damn exciting [22:15] <owl> blindcoder: nah, it has too much brain :) [22:15] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: that's the problem being an "externer mitarbeiter" [22:16] <owl> blindcoder: your boss should not have a problem if you tell him something like "dear mr. blah, i just want to state that we (our team) feel abused by you and so we ask to not abuse us anymore" [22:17] <owl> blindcoder: nah, not just as external company-member [22:17] <stf^rocklinux> So as far as possible the only reasonable attitude to this little giant's fight seems to be to say "Just leave me out of this and let me do my work"? (In a very polite, almost obsequious way, of course) [22:17] <stf^rocklinux> Or maybe the old "I'm busy right now, may I call you back?" trick works [22:18] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: yeah, but it's a vendetta predating my arrival so I'm just gonna suck it and wait [22:18] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: thing is this [22:18] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: what did you mean with decryption not working? [22:18] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: GPG decryption works fine here [22:18] <[raphael]> S/MIME decryption as well [22:18] <blindcoder> BB goes to B and complains that 'everyone, especially foo, bar and baz are always just surfing the net privately' [22:19] <stf^rocklinux> raphael: kmail does not ask for a passphrase for decryption when gpg-agent is not running [22:19] <blindcoder> B knows the situation and that we sometimes don't have anything to do for hours while the machine is setting up databases or whatever [22:19] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: ok, I see. I didn't test without gpg-agent [22:19] <blindcoder> so B tries to appease BB by "talking firmly to foo, bar and baz" [22:20] <blindcoder> this happens in a regular cycle [22:20] <blindcoder> so it's really just BB making himself feel good [22:20] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: I assume you didn't submit anything to sm? Do you want to? Or shall I? [22:21] <owl> blindcoder: tell them that you are willed to solve the problem but you need someone who gives you work. [22:21] <blindcoder> owl: yes, that's what I tried today [22:22] <blindcoder> owl: and B told me to take a vacation tomorrow and he'll have work by monday [22:22] <owl> blindcoder: pardon?! [22:22] <owl> blindcoder: hopefully it was sponosored by company-vacation? [22:23] <blindcoder> owl: overtime [22:23] <stf^rocklinux> raphael: feel free to submit the additional CORE flags, and anything else necessary for running gpg-agent [22:24] <stf^rocklinux> raphael: I'll try to talk the kmail developers into allowing decryption without gpg-agent [22:24] <owl> blindcoder: well. then it's imho ok. tell them that they should make better plans, that overtime will be not that much and that you don't need to surf the web that much ;) [22:25] <owl> it's that simple. even BCs should get it... [22:26] <blindcoder> owl: well, it's not that the forecast wouldn't have been good if not perfect [22:26] <blindcoder> owl: it's problems with other companies not delivering stuff on time, customers cancelling orders at the last possible moment and stuff like that [22:26] <blindcoder> owl: business as usual [22:27] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: yes, that's a good deal, talk to them, and I'll submit the patch tomorrow, with the CORE flags, maybe I can figure out sth to start gpg-agent by default [22:27] <blindcoder> [raphael]: should work adding it to startx [22:27] <owl> blindcoder: sigh. the most things (especially with other companies) are a matter of organization [22:27] <blindcoder> [raphael]: with all the gory eval details [22:28] <blindcoder> owl: this is a big, cyan company we're talking about [22:28] <blindcoder> owl: they have too much organisation [22:28] <owl> blindcoder: nope. hierarchy!=organisation [22:29] <blindcoder> owl: no. there are three people organising the same thing [22:29] <blindcoder> owl: then there are two people being "the boss" [22:29] <blindcoder> owl: then there are 5 people to contact in case of problems [22:29] <owl> blindcoder: i said. hierarchy (= company structure) [22:30] <blindcoder> owl: then there are three people organising where to put hardware for projects that are ready to install [22:30] <blindcoder> owl: ond the problem is: none of them is talking to the others [22:30] <blindcoder> the hierarchy is also there. it's clearly said who serves under whom [22:30] <blindcoder> just that at every level there are at least three people not talking to each other [22:31] <owl> blindcoder: yeah, as said: you need an better organisation. organisation also incluedes "saying what you want to do - not two days after it should have been done, but 2 weeks before" ;) [22:32] <blindcoder> heh, you'd love working here ;) [22:32] <owl> blindcoder: yeah, i would be kicked by the boss after two hours i guess [22:32] <owl> sigh. [22:33] <blindcoder> two hours? you wouldn't last two minutes [22:33] <owl> sigh yeah, thx for the flowers :D [22:33] <blindcoder> yw [22:33] <owl> sigh. should i hug you now or just kick you? *g* [22:34] <blindcoder> you could call me a whore for tomorrow night :) [22:35] <owl> blindcoder: nice dreams you have. but i fear for you, that those things are just dreams - which will never happen ;P [22:36] <blindcoder> bah, you won't even leave me my dreams :( [22:36] <owl> blindcoder: exactly. that's my job, you forgot? :) [22:36] <blindcoder> yes, yes I really did forget [22:38] <owl> poor boy (yeah, this sentence really comes with all my heart...) [22:39] <blindcoder> which isn't that much *hide* [22:40] <stf^rocklinux> raphael: "Starting with KDE-3.3 you can add the gpg-agent command in ~/.kde/env/gpgagent.sh (the filename doesn't matter). The contents of ~/.kde/env/ is sourced by startkde." [22:40] <owl> blindcoder: *sigh* do you want to make me sad? *sniff* *sniff* [22:41] <blindcoder> sorry >_< [22:41] <owl> *hrhr* [22:41] <owl> no problem. i am just "a bit" anxious/hibbelig and cynical... *cough* [22:42] <blindcoder> I'm ready to binge drink myself into oblivion [22:42] <owl> wonderful. [22:45] <blindcoder> innit [22:46] <owl> wodka? :) [22:47] <blindcoder> yes, I've got that here [22:48] <blindcoder> wodka, tequila, stale beer, rum [22:48] <blindcoder> and some other stuff [22:48] <blindcoder> enough to get an alcohol overdose, fall over and die [22:48] <owl> nah, that's not that easy :) [22:49] <blindcoder> dare to try? [22:50] <owl> nah. i can't even drink one glass with 90 % fruite-juice and 10 % wodka without being drunk... ;) [22:50] <blindcoder> heh [22:50] <blindcoder> easy drinker :) [22:51] <owl> yep. you know - normally i am not drinking alc... [22:51] <owl> (note to self: writing english and translating and stuff needs brain-power -> reduces a bit hibbeling ) [22:52] <blindcoder> heh [22:52] <owl> not funny... :) [22:56] <blindcoder> bah [22:58] <owl> hm? [22:59] <blindcoder> nuffin [23:00] <owl> sigh. [23:00] <owl> men :) [23:01] <blindcoder> women [23:01] <blindcoder> just as bad [23:03] <owl> nah. intriguer than men... [23:03] <blindcoder> women suck [23:04] <owl> yep. [23:04] <owl> men also :) [23:07] <blindcoder> naptime [23:07] <blindcoder> bye [23:07] <stf^rocklinux> cy [23:08] <owl> gn8. sleep well blindcoder [23:50] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:53] SteffenP (i=steffen@p5499496E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [23:55] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) joined #rocklinux. [00:00] --- Fri Jan 20 2006