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[00:33] Freak (n=freak@dslb-082-083-207-003.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [00:43] Freak_ (n=freak@dslb-082-083-207-078.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:29] nookie (n=nookie@M221P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [02:47] nookie_ (n=nookie@M3813P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:21] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-101-237.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [03:30] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-103-132.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:30] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [07:37] <blindcoder> netrunner: I see, thanks [08:22] _BoS_ (n=BoS@dslb-088-072-037-239.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:22] _BoS_ (n=BoS@dslb-088-072-039-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [09:48] Action: netrunner reading about xen [09:48] <blindcoder> I don't know about all this virtualisation things... [09:49] <blindcoder> if you need a second machine, get one [09:54] Action: netrunner likes the idea of having 2 domains on his smp machine. [09:54] <netrunner> then I could use one as server and one for rock, and leave it switched on. [09:54] <blindcoder> so xen does in software what sun machines do Right(tm) in hardware? [09:55] <netrunner> blindcoder: one of the newer intel cpus also supports it. [09:55] <netrunner> blindcoder: but basically yes. [09:55] <blindcoder> on the sun servers I handle here you can create domains in terms of system boards and interface boards [09:56] <blindcoder> not in terms of cpus [09:56] <netrunner> blindcoder: there's something the cpu needs to support if I understand correctly, which is missing on currently popular intel cpus, but included in the newest generation [09:58] <blindcoder> yeah, you need a second mainboard and cpu and ram and interface cards ;) [09:58] <netrunner> no. [09:59] arty (n=arty@reactos/developer/arty) joined #rocklinux. [10:00] <th> reactos... [10:00] <blindcoder> yes, you do. [10:00] <arty> th: ? [10:00] <blindcoder> well, I'm not a fan of virtualisation [10:00] <th> arty: i just meant "hi arty" [10:00] <arty> ahh hey [10:00] <blindcoder> actually, I'm 100% convinced that the very idea of virtualisation is fundamentally flawed [10:01] <arty> blindcoder: virtualization is a very powerful idea [10:01] <blindcoder> arty: yeah, Java is also a very powerful idea. [10:01] <blindcoder> sadly, it's still just a powerful idea... [10:01] <arty> actually it's the basic idea between the equivalence of computing machines of turing power [10:01] <arty> blindcoder: more than a powerful idea, it's the basis of most computing [10:02] <arty> but my question is; is there a miniroot for rock similar to the stage tarballs for gentoo? [10:02] <arty> I'd like to make a rock miniroot I can chroot into and mess with [10:02] <blindcoder> arty: you can easily create one [10:02] <arty> specifically, because I've heard that rock has a very nice cross-build environment [10:03] <th> there is one for stable tree [10:03] <blindcoder> arty: but I'm not sure if there's a miniroot per se available right now [10:03] <arty> th: thanks [10:03] <arty> any pointers how to find it? [10:03] <blindcoder> should be this one: https://iso.rocklinux.de/default.php?dir=/official/2.0-stable/2.0.3/buildbootstrap/ [10:04] <th> arty: https://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/official/2.0-stable/pre-release/2.0.4-pre1/buildbootstrap/ [10:04] <arty> thanks [10:04] <th> 2.0.4-pre1 is not less stable then 2.0.3 [10:04] <blindcoder> th: but not linked to from the website ;) [10:04] <th> blindcoder: that's bad. [10:04] <th> blindcoder: that's a bug. [10:05] Action: arty ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64 4 evar [10:05] <blindcoder> th: well, only you have access to the site. do something ;) [10:05] <th> i do? [10:05] <th> which site? [10:05] <blindcoder> th: iso.rocklinux.de [10:05] <th> iso.rl.de? [10:05] <th> ah [10:05] <th> i always follow the "http version" link [10:06] <blindcoder> I see [10:06] <th> https://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/ [10:06] <th> perhaps we should add this link to our homepage [10:06] <blindcoder> or perhaps we should just create the necessary files for the rest of the site [10:06] <blindcoder> because if you open that page the first thing you see is the navigation to the left [10:06] <th> true [10:07] <blindcoder> YAY! [10:08] <blindcoder> There'll be a new LVP release this weekend :D [10:08] <blindcoder> kilbourne is almost done compiling ;) [10:08] <blindcoder> == 09:38:48 =[5]=> Building base/glibc=glibc23 [2.3.6 0]. [10:09] <blindcoder> 95 builds total, 57 completed fine, 0 with errors. [10:10] <blindcoder> th: could you arrange for other people to be able to write to iso.rl.de, too? [10:11] <th> blindcoder: guess how i got access to the site [10:11] <th> blindcoder: i send a mail to our friend over there [10:11] <th> s/send/sent/ [10:12] <blindcoder> hmm... localhero, wasn't it? [10:12] <th> exactly [10:12] <th> btw [10:12] <th> fake:x:1008:100::/home/fake:/bin/bash [10:12] <th> rene:x:1002:100::/home/rene:/bin/bash [10:12] <th> i'm not the only one ;-] [10:12] <netrunner> th: ok, ask rene to do it :) [10:12] <th> i've no root access. i can't create accounts [10:12] <blindcoder> yeah, those are even less available than you are :) [10:13] Action: blindcoder writing to localhero [10:13] <th> blindcoder: that's propably because i work here (in IRC). [10:14] <blindcoder> you work in IRC? what kind of job is that? :) [10:14] <th> remote sysadmin [10:14] <th> that's only a part of it. [10:15] <blindcoder> ah, I see [10:15] <th> my own company uses irc heavily [10:15] <th> everything is connected to IRC [10:15] <blindcoder> well, I practically live here, work or not ;) [10:15] <th> it's a control center [10:17] <blindcoder> I see [10:18] <blindcoder> okay, mail sent [10:18] <blindcoder> guess I need to go back to work now [10:18] <blindcoder> bbl [10:18] <th> cya [10:26] <netrunner> https://legnangel.livejournal.com/564026.html [10:30] nookie_ (n=nookie@M219P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [10:40] <arty> thanks, that's working [10:43] <owl> moin [10:45] <netrunner> hi owl [10:47] nookie (n=nookie@M221P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:48] <owl> hi netrunner [11:03] <blindcoder> re [11:11] <blindcoder> well, that's weak [11:11] <blindcoder> you can't send orders to a openpgp smartcard dealer using gpg encrypted mails... [11:12] <daja77> hrhr [11:48] _BoS_ (n=BoS@dslb-088-072-039-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:17] <arty> hmm i've got a question about the rock package system [12:17] <arty> gasgui seems to want 00-dirtree, but neither disk i've got has that package [12:18] <arty> have i done something wrong? [12:18] <th> arty: i always just extract all packages [12:18] <th> arty: i never used gasgui [12:19] <arty> ahh ok [12:19] <arty> thanks [12:19] <blindcoder> 00-dirtree is a package that creates the inital directory layout [12:19] <th> dont forget the ldconfig [12:19] <arty> since i've already expanded the miniroot i guessed that i didn't need it [12:19] <arty> just wondering if i could use the tools cleanly [12:46] <arty> heh don't pipe ./scripts/Config to less! [12:53] daja77_ (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-035-130.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [12:58] esden (i=esdentem@pallas.crash-override.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:00] <arty> i like the mirror detection [13:01] <netrunner> aah, brother woke up, build machine online :) [13:04] esden (i=esdentem@pallas.crash-override.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:05] daja77 (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-040-148.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:24] <blindcoder> re [13:24] Action: blindcoder now at home [13:26] <blindcoder> linux kernel 2.6.15.4 released [13:29] <netrunner> gngngn [13:30] <netrunner> it makes almost no sense to follow kernel releases with rock ... [13:30] <netrunner> not as long as clifford only half-year wise applies submaster patches. [13:30] <th> what do you mean? [13:30] <th> ahh i see [13:30] <th> true [13:30] <netrunner> what about creating our own subversion tree, that just sends commit's to cliffods submaster? [13:31] <netrunner> he'd be happy, we'd be happy :) [13:31] <blindcoder> not with the current speed of patch application... [13:31] <th> we could create an experimental tree. in the same repository [13:31] <th> so cliff can merge our changes [13:32] <netrunner> th: yes. the storage method should just be changed to this experimental tree. so if you sm send, you commit to the experimental tree ... [13:32] <blindcoder> netrunner: that idea sounds good, but I doubt its political practicability [13:33] <th> netrunner: you dont need `sm` for that. you just commit to exp [13:33] <th> and besides: i'd call the exp tree "trunk" and our current trunk "stablization-tree" [13:33] <netrunner> th: the idea of sm is not the worst, with being able to vote for patches, pull just some ... [13:34] <netrunner> th: I agree [13:34] <blindcoder> we could move ROCK to git... [13:34] <th> netrunner: you can use subversion to store the votes [13:34] <blindcoder> we discussed this at 22C3 [13:34] <netrunner> blindcoder: I also had that idea. but I don't know all of its features. [13:34] <th> netrunner: you have properties [13:34] <blindcoder> the idea of multiple trees is just not feasible with the current number of developers [13:35] <th> we DO HAVE multiple trees. cause sm is like another tree [13:35] <netrunner> yes [13:35] <th> and we would reduce! [13:35] <blindcoder> unfortunately, The Powers That Be also don't want multiple people to commit to ROCK directly [13:35] <netrunner> every dev has its own tree at home. [13:35] <th> now we have stable+trunk+sm [13:35] <th> we could have exp+stablization [13:36] <th> and cliffords current journal-builds should happen in the stablization tree [13:36] <blindcoder> th: did you read the mail regarding the 22c3 decision? there is only 'trunk', nothing else anymore [13:36] <netrunner> blindcoder: they'd be able to commit to experimental only. after creating user accounts by web interface maybe [13:36] <th> my two cents [13:36] <th> blindcoder: yes i did [13:36] <blindcoder> netrunner: yes, I suggested a commit model back then [13:36] <th> blindcoder: we dont even `svn copy` for releases? [13:37] <netrunner> hm, is there anyone besides clifford still supporting the submaster way? :) [13:37] <th> thus creating a branch [13:37] <blindcoder> netrunner: clifford did not want anyone else to write to the ROCK subversion repository (save the yet-to-be-installed security team) [13:37] <blindcoder> th: 'we' don't. clifford does [13:37] <blindcoder> netrunner: submaster is good. for more than three or four active devs. [13:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: reason? "My Precious!"[tm] ? [13:38] <blindcoder> and active committing of patches [13:38] <blindcoder> netrunner: I don't quite remember, really. IIRC it was the 'stability of the trunk'. [13:38] <netrunner> blindcoder: it's a pain in the ass if patches grow old as theydo now. [13:38] <blindcoder> netrunner: tell news... [13:38] <blindcoder> the current state of the udev/initrd patches is just drain-bramaged [13:38] <netrunner> blindcoder: well, that's why they should only commit to experimental, which would be merged to trunk if checked. [13:39] <blindcoder> netrunner: can you please suggest this on the mailinglist? CC'ing clifford so that he actually reads it? [13:40] <netrunner> blindcoder: what do you think about keeping the sm-tools in place, just that they don't send the patch to the web thing, but commit to an experimental tree? [13:41] <netrunner> just to avoid many small commits that could be grouped to one. [13:41] <blindcoder> netrunner: can't say, never used the sm tools [13:42] <blindcoder> like a hundred udev/initrd submits? :) [13:42] <blindcoder> sounds good enough to me [13:43] <th> 13:43:40 < netrunner> just to avoid many small commits that could be grouped to one. [13:43] <th> i think that is wrong [13:44] <th> we should not avoid smaller chunks [13:44] <th> that way you can undo small parts easilty [13:44] <th> s/ty$/y/ [13:46] <netrunner> th: I just need to hit commit more carefully :) [13:47] <th> grouping chunkgs just avoids flexibility [13:50] <daja77_> blindcoder: submaster should be the topic of the bif if we do one [13:50] <blindcoder> daja77_: it was topic at 22c3, too... [13:50] <daja77_> it is not bad, but too limited atm [13:50] <netrunner> daja77_: bif? [13:50] <daja77_> bof [13:50] <blindcoder> netrunner: bof [13:50] <blindcoder> daja77_: you can't get clifford off submaster [13:50] <blindcoder> daja77_: you could just as well try to stop breathing [13:52] <netrunner> blindcoder: it's annoying. in rock, I start disliking submaser, in t2 I dislike rene's explosive ego. maybe I switch to gentoo? [13:52] <blindcoder> netrunner: so you stand exactly in front of the same problem as I do [13:52] <blindcoder> netrunner: and probably everyone else [13:52] <blindcoder> netrunner: let me tell you a little theory here [13:53] <blindcoder> had clifford allowed developers to directly commit to subversion (trusted devs, not just anyone that comes along), rene would be very lonely over in #t2 [13:56] <blindcoder> okay, I'll be a bit gone now to do some CLT preparations [13:57] Action: netrunner writing mail to rlml, please reply on it with your opinions when it arrives [14:03] <netrunner> sent. [14:09] <blindcoder> netrunner: git was a joke... :( [14:09] <netrunner> blindcoder: sorry, didn't understand it as such. but why? wasn't it created for distributed development? [14:10] <blindcoder> sure, but I have absolutely no clue about it ;) [14:10] <netrunner> :) [14:10] <blindcoder> all I know about it is that the linux kernel uses it for distributed development [14:10] <blindcoder> the reason that distributed development works in the linux kernel is that the subprojects are maintained by single persons accumulating patches to it [14:11] <blindcoder> translated to rock this would mean: people working on initrd would send the patches to _me_ instead of to submaster [14:11] <blindcoder> I would then sort them out and when I think it's finished, send a patch containing all changes to submaster [14:11] <blindcoder> hmm [14:12] <blindcoder> I'm writing this in the wrong window [14:12] <daja77_> huh? [14:12] Action: blindcoder alt-tabs to mozilla [14:12] <blindcoder> daja77_: subprojects meaning: device foo, layer bar, filesystem baz and so on [14:13] <netrunner> blindcoder: it's basically not so wrong, we have personalized repos - so devs would receive patches for their repos and send them on [14:13] <blindcoder> daja77_: they don't send dozens of reiserfs patches to linus [14:13] <blindcoder> netrunner: that's what I suggested at 22C3 and clifford didn't like that [14:13] <daja77_> i don't remember that discussion [14:14] <netrunner> blindcoder: at some point clifford should find out that it's not always worst what he doesn't like :) [14:14] <blindcoder> daja77_: https://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/SuggestionForNewCommitModel [14:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: yeah, but I think it'll take a blessed +8 club to teach him [14:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: and you can't enchant clubs past +7 [14:17] <daja77_> the question is, if people would like to move over to git? [14:17] <daja77_> imho not the worst idea [14:18] <blindcoder> I think at this point in time we're small enough to return to the "some devs get write access, the rest sends patches to the mailing list or package maintainer" method [14:19] <daja77_> nah not the mailinglist crap again [14:19] <daja77_> submaster collects patches better, so why shouldn't new ones sending them over there [14:19] <blindcoder> *nod* [14:19] <blindcoder> daja77_: that's exactly what I suggested [14:20] <daja77_> let's try [14:20] <daja77_> the mess is obviuos atm [14:22] <netrunner> we should have a closer look at git, maybe it fits. but I think the idea with subversion experimental and stabilization is sufficient. [14:23] <daja77_> so noone can tell which udev patches to use? [14:23] <netrunner> for unregistered users we could keep submaster, but newcomers would usually just send it to ml. which is as good. [14:23] <daja77_> no [14:24] <netrunner> daja77_: I think everything that I have voted pro on is ok, in that order. maybe needs fix to apply ... [14:24] <daja77_> patches on mailinglists suck and have the tendency to get lost [14:24] <daja77_> that's why submaster was created [14:24] <netrunner> daja77_: okok :) [14:25] <netrunner> daja77_: but think about it that way: if I want to send a patch upstream, I just send it to their mailing list. I usually don't care if they prefer a webinterface or special commit tool or other lube to receive it. [14:25] <netrunner> and ml is archived also (lurker) :) [14:28] <blindcoder> netrunner: well, it's not bad if they send patches to the ml [14:28] <blindcoder> but Someone(tm) should put those to submaster then [14:28] <blindcoder> as people tend to do right now [14:28] <netrunner> blindcoder: that's ok, so they just get lost in submaster and not in ml :) [14:28] <daja77_> hrhr [14:54] markuman (n=markuman@p5092446C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [14:56] <blindcoder> netrunner: replied to [14:56] Action: blindcoder continues creation of ROCK Promotion Video now [14:57] <netrunner> blindcoder: containing of? you dancing naked while waiting for build to finish? :) [14:57] <blindcoder> netrunner: don't bring up stupid ideas. I might implement them [14:59] <netrunner> build started. will work on including xen now :) [16:15] <daja77_> == 16:19:22 =[6]=> Building base/ogg-vorbis [1.1.3 0]. <- we have a stage 6? [16:16] <blindcoder> more or less ;) [16:16] <daja77_> why is this package build in this stage` [16:16] <blindcoder> no idea why ogg is built there, though [16:17] <mnemoc> extra '-' at [P] can switch the stages for that package [16:17] <mnemoc> shift* [16:18] <daja77_> 5, 6 and 9 the desc file says [16:19] <mnemoc> :) [16:19] <daja77_> it is the only one that builds in 6 hm [16:20] <mnemoc> to solve a dependency loop i guess [16:21] <daja77_> probably [16:23] <blindcoder> ooookay [16:23] <blindcoder> the setup for the promo video is almost done [16:23] <blindcoder> all that's left now is animating it [16:23] <daja77_> show show show ;) [16:23] <blindcoder> I'm currently rendering a test video [16:24] <blindcoder> don't expect too much though, it's really simplistic [16:24] <blindcoder> I mean... _REALLY_ simplistic [16:24] <blindcoder> it is... a blackbox ;) [16:25] <daja77_> hm [16:27] <blindcoder> behold, ye mighty, and despair: https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/test.mp4 (84 kB) [16:28] <daja77_> you are doin opengl? [16:28] <blindcoder> nonononono [16:29] <blindcoder> it's a *cough*old commercial*cough* application for *cough* windows 3.x and newer *cough* that I happen to have a licence for and know how to use [16:29] <daja77_> hehe [16:29] <blindcoder> but don't tell anyone ;) [16:30] <mnemoc> :) [16:30] <blindcoder> there's also an 'intro' part that is already done rendering [16:31] <daja77_> blindcoder: we don't have to,you are pwned due the irc logs and google [16:32] <blindcoder> <vader>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO</vader> [16:32] <daja77_> ;) [16:32] Action: blindcoder hacks murphy and removes the logs [16:32] Action: blindcoder hacks google and removes the logs [16:32] Action: blindcoder hacks dajas brain and removes the logs [16:32] <daja77_> you forgot mnemoc [16:33] <mnemoc> :) [16:33] <mnemoc> the latency wont let you hack me :) [16:33] <blindcoder> intro to the video: https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/intro.mp4 (2.5 MB) [16:34] Action: daja77_ leeching [16:35] <blindcoder> I really want to give the video a voice-over but I can't get the sound and video into sync :( [16:35] <blindcoder> so instead I'll just put in subtitles [16:35] <daja77_> well for clt no sound is better anyway [16:35] <blindcoder> daja77_: I intended to put headphones there [16:36] <daja77_> hm [16:36] <blindcoder> daja77_: got the vid? [16:37] <daja77_> lots of logo pieces ;) [16:37] <blindcoder> hehe [16:37] <mnemoc> what's the idea? [16:38] <blindcoder> do you know how long it took me to create the crystal object for that >_< [16:38] <blindcoder> mnemoc: I want to have a video that explains why ROCK is not a distribution [16:38] <blindcoder> and what you can do with it instead of just installing and webbrowsing [16:38] <mnemoc> ic [16:39] <mnemoc> that will be looooooot of work :) [16:39] <blindcoder> and I want to project that to the wall with my video projector at CLT [16:39] <blindcoder> mnemoc: well, I have a few ideas that are IMO suited to explain _what_ it can do [16:40] <daja77_> go on :) [16:40] <blindcoder> the _how_ isn't interesting in that moment [16:40] <daja77_> yep [16:42] <mnemoc> did you 'draw' those ideas before making the animation, or you are 'expressing yourself' directly on video? [16:50] <blindcoder> mnemoc: I did bring the objects to paper [16:50] <blindcoder> mnemoc: but not the animation per se, I create that directly in the program [17:06] <netrunner> 17:07 builder: finished job '2-attr' (ERROR) [17:06] <netrunner> 17:08 builder: finished job '2-acl' (ERROR) [17:06] <netrunner> :/ [17:07] <daja77_> oh why [17:07] <netrunner> FATAL ERROR: libtool does not seem to be installed. [17:07] <netrunner> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 270: libtoolize: command not found [17:07] <daja77_> O_o [17:08] <netrunner> libtool is only built in stage 3 [17:32] <blindcoder> *phew* [17:32] <blindcoder> 770 images to render [17:32] <blindcoder> at 800x600 [17:33] <daja77_> :) [17:34] <blindcoder> first I'll render at 160x120 to see if it works out :) [17:37] <netrunner> hi [17:38] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-b3067d94f625360e) joined #rocklinux. [17:38] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-c66e430a1832375e) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:39] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [17:39] <blindcoder> daja77_: ping [17:39] <blindcoder> daja77_: https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/main.mp4 (177 kB) [17:39] <blindcoder> daja77_: comments? [17:43] <daja77_> hm i somehow don't get the message [17:43] <blindcoder> yeah, the subtitles are still missing [17:43] <blindcoder> basically, it goes like this: [17:43] <blindcoder> "This is the blackbox called ROCK." [17:43] <blindcoder> "Put in some packages (scripts/Config)" [17:44] <daja77_> ah a black box [17:44] <blindcoder> "select how the blackbox should handle things (scripts/Config)" (changing the colors) [17:44] <blindcoder> "start the magic" (pull lever) [17:44] <daja77_> ^^ [17:44] <blindcoder> "wait for it to finish" (packages vanishing) [17:44] <blindcoder> "get your finished linux solution" [17:45] <blindcoder> you think it's fine? [17:45] <blindcoder> together with the flying logos [17:45] <blindcoder> the text under the logos should become: [17:45] <blindcoder> "${distribution}" (for each logo) [17:46] <daja77_> with subtitles it is ok [17:46] <blindcoder> "If somebody told you that ROCK Linux is just like any other distribution out there..." (logos sitting there) [17:46] <blindcoder> "Somebody lied." (logos turning around) [17:46] Action: daja77_ off [17:46] <blindcoder> :( [17:46] <blindcoder> WAIT [17:46] <blindcoder> one last question! [17:47] <blindcoder> daja77_: do you think it's okay to have a ROCK logo on the back of the crystals when they turn around? [17:48] <mnemoc> that's what i expected the first time i saw your intro [17:48] <blindcoder> ah [17:48] <blindcoder> okay ;) [17:49] <blindcoder> I'll do it :) [17:49] <mnemoc> :) [18:30] nookie (n=nookie@M372P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [18:40] Action: netrunner expected a ROCK logo to falll from top and stomp all others away :) [18:41] <mnemoc> that's violent [18:46] Action: netrunner using ccache for a try ... [18:47] nookie_ (n=nookie@M219P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:51] <blindcoder> okay, now the logo is on the back ;0 [18:51] <blindcoder> ;) [18:52] <blindcoder> I also fixed some of the logos [18:59] <daja77_> :) [19:01] <blindcoder> https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/intro.mp4 [19:01] <blindcoder> 400 kB [19:01] <mnemoc> same name? [19:02] <blindcoder> yes [19:02] <blindcoder> I just overwrite them [19:03] <daja77_> nice [19:03] <mnemoc> imo the per-crystal initial delay is too large, and the final delay is also too^3 large [19:04] <blindcoder> it's 5 frames, so 0.333 seconds [19:04] <blindcoder> mnemoc: yes, the final will be cropped [19:05] <blindcoder> mnemoc: since the main video will start there [19:05] <mnemoc> ic [19:05] <mnemoc> feels longer [19:06] <blindcoder> well, once the subtitles are there it will feel shorter [19:06] <blindcoder> because then you have to read them ;) [19:07] <mnemoc> :) [19:11] markuman (n=markuman@p5092446C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:25] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-8bb3ab78fd4b897d) joined #rocklinux. [19:26] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-b3067d94f625360e) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:26] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [19:38] markuman (n=markuman@p5092497D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:38] <nookie> what does dasch na dasch in german or english mean? [19:40] <mnemoc> leo doesn't know :p [19:40] <blindcoder> dasch na dasch o_O [19:40] <daja77_> i don't know what it means at all [19:41] <nookie> mm [19:41] <nookie> bad [19:41] <nookie> girl send me song "dasch na dasch" from "belie teni" [19:41] <blindcoder> that's no language I'd recognize [19:41] <nookie> it's russian [19:41] <nookie> but i don't speak russian [19:41] <nookie> :) [19:41] <blindcoder> ah [19:42] <blindcoder> ask netrunner [19:42] <nookie> netrunner: [19:42] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [19:42] <nookie> :D [20:01] <arty> hmm i've got a question; there doesn't seem to be a powerpc selection under 'cross toolchain creation' [20:02] <arty> I've likely done something wrong [20:02] <arty> but not sure what [20:02] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux was doing some work on cross compiling, but let me have a look [20:03] <arty> hmm [20:03] <blindcoder> ? ? [ ] Build powerpc cross toolchain ? ? [20:03] <arty> hmm ok [20:03] <blindcoder> second to last option [20:04] <arty> hmm mine has sparc, sparc64, mips, mipsel, mips64, mips64el, i386 [20:04] <arty> i installed the rock-src package from the crystal disc [20:05] <arty> (well i think that's where these files come from anyway) [20:05] <blindcoder> arty: which crystal disc? it might be outdated [20:06] <blindcoder> try a subversion checkout [20:06] <arty> crystal-rock-x86-rev6945-experimental.iso [20:06] <blindcoder> svn co svn://www.rocklinux.org/rock-linux/trunk rock-linux [20:06] <blindcoder> hmm [20:06] <arty> ok thanks [20:06] <blindcoder> that's the current one [20:06] <arty> admittedly what i want to do is a little wierd [20:06] <arty> but i read some howtos about crossbuilding on the rock site [20:06] <arty> so i thought it would be best [20:08] <blindcoder> arty: do you have powerpc selected as architecture? [20:08] <arty> yes [20:08] <blindcoder> then you can't create a cross toolchain for it [20:08] <blindcoder> the option will be simply left out [20:08] <arty> hmm but I'm running all of this on x86 [20:08] <arty> i see [20:08] <blindcoder> which is actually bad :( [20:09] <blindcoder> arty: so, select PowerPC and "This is a cross build between architectures" [20:09] <arty> ya i selected that [20:09] <blindcoder> that's enough [20:09] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: a cross-tool chain that runs on PPC and compiles for PPC doesn't make much sense... [20:09] <arty> hmm i'm trying the rock-src package from the other image i have [20:10] <blindcoder> reading the code, I'm not quite sure what this "Cross Toolchain Creation" is [20:10] <arty> stf^ i see [20:10] <arty> I guess i missed something [20:10] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: yes, but why the config option at all? [20:10] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: I can just select ppc, this is a crossbuild, and run scripts/Build-Tools [20:10] <arty> generally i want it to build powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu [20:10] <arty> -gcc [20:10] <arty> then use it to build a kernel and some packages [20:10] <stf^rocklinux> the cross-tool chain creation allows to create gems containing cross-tools [20:11] <blindcoder> ah [20:11] <stf^rocklinux> gems=binary packages [20:11] <arty> ya [20:11] <arty> so I should use the builder to build powerpc toolchain with arch set on x86 first [20:11] <arty> then use that newly installed compiler and switch arch to powerpc for the rest of the build? [20:11] <blindcoder> ehm... no [20:11] <blindcoder> you should do: [20:12] <blindcoder> set architecture to ppc [20:12] <blindcoder> set this is a cross build between architectures [20:12] <blindcoder> run ./scripts/Build-Target [20:12] <blindcoder> this will leave you with a chrootable environment, cross compiler and NO KERNEL [20:12] <arty> ok [20:12] <stf^rocklinux> erm, afaik the linux26 kernel does cross-compile... [20:12] <blindcoder> you can then use this cross compiler to cross compile a kernel manually [20:13] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: yes, but is this done automatically? [20:13] <arty> ok [20:13] <stf^rocklinux> let me see... [20:13] Action: arty gives it a shot with the 2.0.4 rock-src [20:13] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: because the cc howto specifically mentions that there's no kernel there [20:14] <blindcoder> arty: you really should use the svn checkout [20:14] <arty> ok [20:18] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: the linux26 kernel is not selected for cross-builds by default, because it is "not known" to cross-compile [20:18] <blindcoder> see ;) [20:19] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: but from what i've read on the net, it should work for most architectures (you'd have to change the [P] tag of linux.desc) [20:20] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: yeah, but I'd guess the kernel will need special treatment in the .conf file [20:21] menomc (n=amery@200.75.27.25) joined #rocklinux. [20:22] mnemoc (n=amery@200.75.27.68) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:24] Nick change: menomc -> mnemoc [20:25] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: not really. If you cross-compile the kernel yourself, you also need to set only 2 environment variables and the path to the cross-tool chain... [20:25] <blindcoder> true... [21:22] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-e381a7df1c8d7eb7) joined #rocklinux. [21:22] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-8bb3ab78fd4b897d) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:22] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [23:19] markuman (n=markuman@p5092497D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:00] --- Sat Feb 11 2006