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[00:58] clifford (n=clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:03] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-098-190.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [01:17] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-106-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:17] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [01:28] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:28] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) joined #rocklinux. [02:04] daja77 (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-032-225.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [02:18] daja77_ (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-032-115.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:52] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:53] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) joined #rocklinux. [05:37] mnemoc (n=amery@200.73.88.2) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:31] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [10:35] [raphael] (n=raphael@lehrenetz.fh-wels.at) joined #rocklinux. [10:49] clifford (n=clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) joined #rocklinux. [11:42] [raphael] (n=raphael@lehrenetz.fh-wels.at) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [13:07] <blindcoder> okay, no livecd for CLT [13:08] <blindcoder> "unable to open an initial console" [13:08] <blindcoder> and I don't fele like fixing that right now [13:09] <daja77> hm i get this message for crystal too but it boots up anyway [13:13] <blindcoder> livecd doesn't [13:14] <blindcoder> and I really don't have the time or desire to fix it right now [13:14] <daja77> well yeah the livecd is out of maintainance for months .. [13:14] <daja77> don't worry, you've done a lot already [14:54] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-11224466f711ead0) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:58] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-d98582f27cb8304b) joined #rocklinux. [15:17] mnemoc (n=amery@200.73.88.2) joined #rocklinux. [15:27] <th> oh finally the modules load in stage1 of bootdisk [15:28] <th> but i think we should make all drivers available as module only (not statically in kernel) that way we'll be able to split modules disks later [16:03] <blindcoder> okay, ROCK DVDs and CDs are being created as I write this [16:03] <blindcoder> for any changes it is too late now [16:04] <th> bad luck for scsi-guys with dell poweredgeds [16:05] <th> (just sent my bootdisk/stage1 fix for this) [16:05] <icelbox> hm, who uses dell poweredges? ^^ [16:05] <icelbox> except at work I mean... [16:06] <th> are we focussing personal use only? [16:06] <th> i've lots of poweredges in production with rock [16:07] <daja77> blindcoder: any idea why wesnoth fails? [16:07] <icelbox> hm, I must not install anything else than redcrap on "mine" [16:08] <th> well - i'm taking decisions here [16:09] <icelbox> you're lucky then :) [16:09] <blindcoder> daja77: it doesn't here [16:10] <daja77> sigh [16:10] <daja77> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `utils/wmlxgettext', needed by `all-am'. Stop. [16:10] <th> blindcoder, daja77: do you agree that we should built as much as possible as a module for bootdisk? [16:10] <th> and that we should put all modules in stage1 (so we could split modules-discs later) [16:11] <blindcoder> daja77: if you give me the .err I might be able to say something more [16:12] <blindcoder> th: yes [16:12] <blindcoder> daja77: current version of wesnoth? [16:12] <blindcoder> daja77: I mean, current version in TRUNK?L [16:13] <daja77> 1.0 [16:13] <daja77> https://lospalmos.homelinux.net/wesnoth.err [16:13] <blindcoder> humm [16:14] <blindcoder> bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly; [16:14] <blindcoder> perhaps it is corrupted? *Possible* reason follows. [16:14] <blindcoder> I would say that that is the error [16:14] <daja77> d'oh [16:15] <daja77> haven't seen that [16:19] <daja77> sigh, the freetype check fails because it doesn't link against cairo and cairopango [16:23] Action: netrunner now had also blog comment spam :) [16:25] <blindcoder> hehe [16:26] <blindcoder> currently the blog spammer are as stupid as never before [16:26] <blindcoder> just using the 'contact' form [16:26] <blindcoder> there's only the word 'phentermine' in the 'name' field [16:26] <blindcoder> the rest is emptyp [16:26] <blindcoder> no link, no nothing [16:32] <daja77> argl this damn gnome/gtk crap [16:36] Action: netrunner going with public transport to pick up his car from tuev [16:37] <daja77> hrhr [16:37] <daja77> --disable-freetypetest [16:39] <daja77> th: let's discuss this on the weekend please, i am distracted now .. [16:40] <th> do we have some list of topics somewhere already? [16:41] <blindcoder> no [16:41] <blindcoder> unless you count 'sit together and talk about stuff we need to talk about' [16:41] <daja77> not that I am aware of [16:51] <th> is the rock sonar not linked any longer? [16:52] <th> ahh it was sonar.rl.org [16:53] <blindcoder> a lot of stuff died with the transition to the wiki [16:53] <th> yea - and the logo is cropped [16:54] <blindcoder> right [16:56] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [16:56] <blindcoder> just checked in the Crystal-CLT data [16:58] <daja77> sigh [16:58] <daja77> cairo is a non autodetected pita [17:23] Nick change: _BoS_ -> BoS|afk [17:54] mnemoc_ (n=amery@200.73.88.6) joined #rocklinux. [17:54] mnemoc (n=amery@200.73.88.2) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:54] Nick change: mnemoc_ -> mnemoc [18:03] <owl> re [19:06] <blindcoder> okay [19:06] <blindcoder> labeling and writing done [19:06] <blindcoder> time to go home [21:20] mnemoc (n=amery@200.73.88.6) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:21] <daja77> wtf? [21:21] <daja77> 586-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/ld: qemu-i386: Not enough room for program headers (allocated 8, need 9) [21:30] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-9125bebc1fcf73b3) joined #rocklinux. [21:30] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-d98582f27cb8304b) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:31] <blindcod1r> btw, i have 50 discs altogether [21:31] <blindcod1r> 25 CDs [21:31] <blindcod1r> and 25 DVDs which contain the download/ dir, too [21:31] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [21:51] <owl> O_O blindcoder ? [21:52] <blindcoder> owl: ! [21:52] <owl> wtf are you doing with all the downloads? [21:52] <blindcoder> owl: no downloads [21:52] <blindcoder> owl: Crystal ROCK CLT-Version discs [21:52] <owl> hrm. ok [21:53] <owl> .oO( LT 2001... rock 1.5 - d'ouh, that was a time... ) [21:54] <blindcoder> hehe [21:55] <owl> don't laugh :) it was funny ... _was_ [21:55] <blindcoder> no idea [21:55] <blindcoder> haven't been there [21:55] <owl> *g* [21:56] <owl> well. it was nice... lying on the sofa, sleeping on a notebook... and the first thing you saw when you opened your eyes where nice geeks *g* [21:57] <owl> and then, taking the s-bahn, you had a chat in RL with a nice person... d'ouh, iam missing such things [21:58] <blindcoder> hehe [21:58] <owl> why are you laughing? :) [22:00] <blindcoder> just because :) [22:00] <owl> .oO( men ;) [22:01] <blindcoder> women [22:02] <owl> pff ;) [22:15] <th> are there any objections to having a bbs (build-bootstrap) package selection? [22:15] <th> ATM we have a minimal.in [22:15] <th> which does not even contain curl [22:15] <th> nor ssh [22:16] <blindcoder> we need at least curl for bbs [22:16] <th> you can't do ./scripts/Config without curl [22:16] <blindcoder> ssh is not necessary [22:16] <blindcoder> although I would vote for a pkgsplit ssh:server and ssh:client [22:17] <th> minimal is 145MB at the moment [22:17] <th> i booted from bootdisk on a dell machine today and just wanted to make this system ready for building. [22:17] <th> so i extracted a minimal-set and wanted to go home. [22:18] <th> but i could not. [22:18] <th> cause i would not've been able to login [22:18] <blindcoder> yeah [22:18] <th> because ssh was missing [22:18] <blindcoder> I would have loved to hand out livecd+source tomorrow [22:18] <blindcoder> but livecd is broken >_< [22:18] <th> i had to use a usb-stick to transfer openssl, curl, openssh [22:18] <th> i think a bootable cd with a bbs package-set is a must-have [22:19] <daja77> .oO (hate day) [22:19] <th> propably similar to a live-system build-system [22:19] <blindcoder> daja77: hate-four-weeks >_< [22:19] <th> so to not interfere with the minimal set i would propose to fork it and create a bbs [22:19] <blindcoder> daja77: yes, that's what I wanted to achieve the easy way with the livecd [22:19] <th> dedicated for easy build startup [22:20] <daja77> 1607 builds total, 1559 completed fine, 48 with errors. [22:20] <th> so i'd like to include ssh/curl/ping [22:20] <daja77> here it should be .. [22:20] <th> perhaps the minimal-pkgsel's purpose should be a running system with as few as possible [22:21] <th> not dedicated for building [22:21] <daja77> from 54 to 48 .. [22:22] <blindcoder> th: sounds fine [22:26] <th> blindcoder: ok. will do. [22:35] <th> btw - anyone interested in club-mate on CLT? [22:35] <blindcoder> thanks, I have other 'brechmittel' [22:35] <th> ahh you are one of the opponents... i see [22:36] <daja77> me too :) [22:36] <blindcoder> :) [22:36] <blindcoder> I just think it tastes terrible [22:36] <daja77> but perhaps there some who like it [22:36] <blindcoder> hannes wants some [22:36] <blindcoder> as does lay [22:36] <daja77> and perhaps i buy a bottle just for the sake of it [22:36] <blindcoder> there's sake in mate? :) [22:36] <th> who is "lay"? [22:37] <blindcoder> hannes' girlfriend [22:37] <blindcoder> more or less [22:37] <th> i see [22:37] <daja77> she has a mate shirt ^^ [22:37] <th> single bottles are free for core-devs ;-) [22:37] <blindcoder> the girl who stayed at my place for the last two weeks [22:37] <th> there are mate shirts?? [22:37] <blindcoder> *snif* no bottle for me [22:37] Action: blindcoder is just a user :) [22:38] <daja77> th: a t-shirt with the mate logo .. [22:38] <blindcoder> a yellow t-shirt [22:38] <blindcoder> which - btw - looks damn fine on lay [22:38] <daja77> blindcoder: i know ^^ [22:38] <th> never seen it [22:38] <th> pics? [22:39] <blindcoder> the chick? or the shirt? [22:39] <daja77> i have one .. on the laptop [22:39] <th> blindcoder: the combination would be best [22:39] <th> daja77: you have a chick on your laptop? [22:40] <daja77> do I? [22:40] <th> 22:41:34 < daja77> i have one .. on the laptop [22:40] <daja77> one pic of her in that shirt .. [22:41] <th> cool [22:41] <daja77> .oO (hm chicken wings) [22:42] <th> blindcoder: so let me ask a question to you as a udev expert... [22:43] <daja77> hehe [22:43] <th> blindcoder: i've just added another partition to /dev/sdc [22:43] <blindcoder> AAAAAAARRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHh [22:43] <th> blindcoder: will udev ever add /dev/sdc4 to /dev? [22:43] <daja77> roflmao [22:43] <blindcoder> sorry, reflex [22:43] <th> hehe ;) [22:43] <blindcoder> th: as soon as you call udevstart [22:43] <blindcoder> oooooohhhhhhh, but wait [22:43] <blindcoder> there _is_ no more udevstart [22:43] <th> udev --daemon is already running [22:43] <blindcoder> you now have to use a strange combination of commands to do that [22:44] <th> i thought udevd --daemon would do that for me? [22:44] <th> or is that what `hotplug` has to do for me? [22:44] <blindcoder> if the kernel doesn't generate an event for that, no [22:44] <th> so we are talking of a hotplug event here? [22:44] <blindcoder> hotplug, hald... something of that [22:44] <blindcoder> lost the overview, really [22:45] <blindcoder> I'm really considering going back to a static /dev directory [22:45] <blindcoder> it's so simple... it works... [22:45] <blindcoder> one call to mknod and it'll be there forever and ever... [22:45] <th> so udevd is totally userspace and needs to be fed by another instance? [22:45] <blindcoder> life could be so simple [22:45] <blindcoder> th: correct [22:45] <th> and that instance would be what? [22:46] <blindcoder> hotplug or hald [22:46] <th> i dont even now hald [22:46] <blindcoder> netrunner has invested a lot more thought there thatn I did [22:46] <th> i'm so yesterday [22:46] <blindcoder> personally, I'd call udevstart [22:46] <blindcoder> or whatever passes for udevstart these days [22:46] <th> i dont want a quick solution (i could just mknod for now) [22:47] <th> i want to know how we should handle this [22:47] <blindcoder> find /sys -name uevent | while read x ; do echo 1 > $x ; donee [22:47] <th> to see what i'm doing wrong [22:47] <th> so that it did not appear to me [22:47] <blindcoder> what do you have in /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug ? [22:48] <th> /sbin/udevsend [22:48] <th> ls: /sbin/udevsend: No such file or directory [22:49] <th> i guess i need to update my udev package? [22:49] <blindcoder> 084 is current [22:49] <blindcoder> and doesn't include udevsend anymore [22:49] <th> i see. so who has written udevsend into my /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug ? [22:49] <th> kernel default? [22:50] <blindcoder> oh, cool [22:51] <th> what? [22:51] <blindcoder> the udev installation documents do not tell us how to do this [22:51] <blindcoder> /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug is expected to be empty [22:51] <blindcoder> kernel default, yes [22:51] <blindcoder> and should be emptied by an early initscript according to "the world according to udev" [22:52] <th> expected to be empty? [22:52] <th> what happens if that is empty? [22:52] <blindcoder> magic [22:52] <th> or another question: is there a replacement for udevsend? [22:52] <blindcoder> no [22:52] <blindcoder> it is okay if it is empty [22:52] <th> what happens if it is empty? [22:53] <blindcoder> /dev/ is populated by echo'ing 1 into the uevent pseudo files in /sys/= [22:53] <th> so that is polling instead of eventing? [22:53] <blindcoder> my best guess is that no hotplug events are generated [22:53] <th> so searching over and over again for event files? [22:53] <th> i see [22:53] <blindcoder> a mix of both [22:53] <th> a mix? [22:53] <blindcoder> let's see... [22:54] <th> if there is a bit of no-polling... [22:54] <th> where shall that come from [22:55] <blindcoder> oh, cool [22:55] <blindcoder> I just plugged in a usb stick into a 084 system [22:55] <blindcoder> now I have /dev/discs/disc1/generic and disc2/part1 [22:55] <th> that's because of our bad scsi-udev-helper script i think [22:55] <th> that's full of bugs i suppose [22:56] <blindcoder> probably [22:56] <blindcoder> well, it work [22:56] <blindcoder> s [22:56] <blindcoder> but changing the partition table probably doesn't create a hotplug event [22:56] <th> so your /proc/.../hotplug is empty? [22:56] <blindcoder> at least it doesn't in a system I created some time ago [22:56] <blindcoder> yes [22:56] <th> and you are running a daemon for that besides udevd? [22:56] <th> hald? hotplug? [22:57] <blindcoder> no [22:57] <th> so only udevd running? [22:57] <blindcoder> yes [22:57] <blindcoder> as I said [22:57] <th> that would mean that udevd is checking for event files in sys and writing "1"s into them [22:57] <blindcoder> I'm 99.86% sure that fdisk & co don't create the necessarry event [22:59] <blindcoder> anyway [22:59] <blindcoder> sleep happens [22:59] <blindcoder> bye [22:59] <th> cya and thanks [22:59] <th> i'll always remember you as our udev-hero ;-) [00:00] --- Fri Mar 3 2006