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[00:57] <stf^rocklinux> th: the kernel on the crystal-r7333 CD is too big for qemu direct booting! [00:57] <th> stf^rocklinux: ahh [00:57] <th> stf^rocklinux: why is there a limit? [00:58] <fake> good evening [00:58] <daja77_> hi fake [00:58] Action: fake is not against enabling serial console *in general* [00:58] <stf^rocklinux> th: take a look at qemu-0.8.0/hw/pc.c [00:58] <fake> i am, though, against enabling the serial console *by default* [00:59] <stf^rocklinux> with the following patch, qemu will boot the kernel: [00:59] <stf^rocklinux> -#define INITRD_LOAD_ADDR 0x00400000 [00:59] <stf^rocklinux> +#define INITRD_LOAD_ADDR 0x00800000 [00:59] <fake> because we can not make assumptions about what is connected to the serial port! N E V E R ! [00:59] <stf^rocklinux> the kernel is loaded at 0x100000 (1MB) and the initrd at 4MB... [01:00] <stf^rocklinux> th: the images might overlap and cause initrd to be corrupted or something [01:00] <th> fake: you only enable the feature. we're not putting a console on it. [01:01] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I thought that console on serial is disabled until you use a special kernel boot parameter [01:01] <fake> th: the patch included activating it by default in isolinux (or was it grub?) [01:01] <th> ahh i see [01:01] <th> i'd be against that as well. [01:01] <fake> see? i never saw a revised patch, though [01:02] <fake> so i guessed the feature's not as important... [01:02] <th> CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE=y that's what i want [01:03] <fake> isn't serial port 8250 support in general compiled as a module? would need a change, too [01:03] <th> 01:01:38 < stf^rocklinux> -#define INITRD_LOAD_ADDR 0x00400000 [01:03] <owl> gn8 guys [01:03] <th> shouldn't that be 4M? [01:03] <th> ahh [01:03] <th> initrd at 4MB... [01:03] <netrunner> fake: ah, you didn't make that distinction at that time :) [01:03] <fake> netrunner: let me see the lurker mailinglist.... [01:03] <netrunner> n8 owl [01:03] <fake> n8 owl [01:04] <netrunner> fake: I won't nail you down on that :) [01:04] <fake> +archive [01:04] <owl> gn8 netrunner , fake [01:04] <stf^rocklinux> fake: serial support in crystal-r7333 is built-in... [01:04] <fake> i don't like being the idiot, generally [01:04] <th> stf^rocklinux: sure? [01:04] <netrunner> fake: it's yesterday's snow. let's use energy for creating effects. [01:04] <th> how can i decompress vmlinuz to see how big it really is? [01:05] <fake> https://www.rocklinux.net/lurker/message/20050128.111144.e96db6a6.html [01:05] <fake> mv vmlinuz vmlinuz.gz && gunzip vmlinuz.gz ? [01:05] <fake> ;-) [01:05] <fake> this is not about kernel-wise serial output, but passing the isolinux [01:05] <fake> bootloader an option to present the boot menu on the first serial port, too, [01:05] <fake> so headless machines that don't support output redirecting can use the cd [01:05] <fake> bootloader to pass the correct console=... line to the kernel [01:05] <fake> these were the FIRST 4 lines in the mail! [01:05] <stf^rocklinux> th: you'd have to split the bzImage, but see arch/i386/boot/compressed/vmlinux.bin* [01:06] <fake> *sighs* [01:07] <stf^rocklinux> th: btw. I'm rebuild this vmlinuz to see how big it is [01:07] <th> stf^rocklinux: oh GREAT! thanks for finding that out! [01:08] <th> stf^rocklinux: works :-))))) [01:10] <stf^rocklinux> th: I'm very pleased to see that the problem was not caused by our initrd :) [01:11] <netrunner> fake: I still parse the broken strukture of the sentence you quoted such that you are against the whole thing :) [01:11] <fake> it's in () to denote what the whole mail is about [01:14] <fake> you didn't reply, either [01:14] <fake> whatever. [01:14] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:15] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-105-012.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [01:18] <fake> stf^rocklinux: how did the linux-libc-headers crystal end up? [01:18] <stf^rocklinux> fake: it's a generic build - not finished yet ;) [01:19] <fake> stf^rocklinux: a *full* build? [01:19] <stf^rocklinux> yes [01:19] <stf^rocklinux> fake: no problems so far [01:19] <fake> wow, okay, take your time then ;) [01:19] <fake> great! [01:19] <th> stf^rocklinux: actually i have a hello-world cpio now. [01:20] <stf^rocklinux> fake: a symlink from /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-<lxver> seems to be missing, though [01:20] <stf^rocklinux> from ... to ... [01:20] <fake> you mean linux-26 ? [01:20] <stf^rocklinux> fake: whatever is the default ... [01:20] <fake> it's not linux26 specfici, which package thinks such a link is needed? [01:21] <fake> i bet zaptel [01:21] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I'm not sure, but e.g. linux-drm, alsa-driver [01:21] <fake> that's weird [01:21] <stf^rocklinux> fake: external kernel modules... [01:21] <fake> they should use /lib/modules/$lxver/build [01:22] <fake> and *never* assume anything in /usr/include is trustable [01:22] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-107-194.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:22] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [01:22] <fake> (i think) [01:22] <stf^rocklinux> th: nice :) [01:22] <stf^rocklinux> fake: not /usr/include, /usr/src/linux! [01:24] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) joined #rocklinux. [01:24] <stf^rocklinux> fake: not sure though, I'll have to look at this once more [01:24] <fake> aaah [01:24] <fake> okay [01:24] <fake> stf^rocklinux: so it's missing from the linux package [01:24] <fake> ok [01:25] <stf^rocklinux> fake: from linux2x-source, yes [01:25] <stf^rocklinux> th: so how did you get it to work? [01:27] <th> stf^rocklinux: patching qemu [01:29] <stf^rocklinux> th: and the you created the cpio with gen_init_cpio? [01:32] <th> yes [01:32] <th> and passed it as initrd [01:32] <fake> as initrd? sexy! [01:32] <th> still. a tool for linking it into the kernel would be nice [01:32] <fake> *harr* [01:33] <fake> on sparc this was called ';piggypack' [01:37] <fake> mutt 1.5.11 fails for me [01:37] <fake> keymap.c:821: error: size of array 'menu' is too large [01:37] <fake> looks like it's gcc4 specific though [01:42] <th> 338 builds total, 334 completed fine, 4 with errors. [01:42] <th> [5] base/mutt [5] base/alsa-driver [01:42] <th> [5] x86/apmd [5] base/pcmcia-cs [01:42] <fake> mutt fails for me too [01:42] <th> gcc4 [01:42] <fake> th: same error as above? [01:42] <th> keymap.c:867: error: size of array 'menu' is too large [01:42] <th> keymap.c:867: warning: unused variable 'menu' [01:43] <th> The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist. [01:43] <th> (alsa-driver) [01:43] <fake> o_O [01:43] <th> Linux kernel source directory [/usr/src/linux]: /usr/src/linux [01:43] <th> Linux source tree '/usr/src/linux' is incomplete or missing! [01:43] <th> (pcmcia-cs) [01:43] <fake> /usr/src/linux doesn't exist ;) [01:43] <th> apmsleep.c:56:31: error: linux/mc146818rtc.h: No such file or directory [01:44] <th> (apmd) [01:44] <th> oh well [01:44] <th> ;) [01:44] <th> not so bad [01:44] <th> 4 packages only. build finished [01:45] <fake> apmd is dead [01:45] <fake> isn't it? [01:45] <fake> it's 2.4 [01:45] <th> still it's core [01:46] <fake> not too bad [01:46] <stf^rocklinux> fake: apmd is for old hardware [01:46] <fake> is that the one with linux-libc-headers? [01:46] <th> yea [01:46] <fake> i.c. [01:46] <fake> very few woes for such a big change [01:46] <th> 01:51:39 < th> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/2006-03-25-journal.txt [01:46] <th> 01:51:42 < th> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/2006-03-25-journal.diff [01:48] <fake> so the cyrus change didn't harm kde? [01:48] <fake> weird! [01:48] <th> sasl thing? [01:48] <th> doesn't seem so [01:48] <fake> yep, header move [01:48] <th> actually i'm pretty eager to test this... [01:48] <th> with hal and dbus [01:48] <fake> we hard-patch the sasl location to be /usr/include/sasl2 in kdelibs and kdepim, iirc [01:49] <fake> n1ce [01:49] <fake> a fix for alsa-driver would be nice though, before the ISO :) [01:49] <fake> i'll skip oiver the mutt problem in my glibc-24 test crystal... [01:51] <th> i think i'll concentrate on initramfs [01:51] <fake> alright, alsa is in the kernel, anyways [01:51] <fake> (but i think/hope we disable it there) [01:51] <stf^rocklinux> fake: you're right, we patch the location of sasl2 headers in kde packages, that needs to be changed [01:52] <fake> i wonder they didn't complain [01:52] <fake> we do that in openldap too, and multisync [01:52] <fake> and something else [01:52] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I don't use the sasl changes yet [01:54] <fake> oops [01:54] <fake> i forgot the ldconfig globbing patch in glibc24 [01:54] <fake> and i wonder why gtk & co complain they don't find glibc >_< [01:55] <fake> s/glibc/glib/ [01:56] <stf^rocklinux> fake: and in crystal builds the kernel includes all alsa and oss modules [01:56] <stf^rocklinux> s/kernel/kernel package/ [01:57] <fake> stf^rocklinux: which are then replace by the alsa-driver package?? [01:57] <fake> *replaced [01:58] <stf^rocklinux> fake: no, they are installed in different directories [01:59] <fake> oh great - much like depmod jeopardy! [01:59] <stf^rocklinux> hehe [03:03] <fake> why do we build the alsa drivers separately, anyways? [03:06] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I think they are updated more often than in the kernel [03:06] <th> yea [03:11] <fake> like i care ;) [03:12] <fake> dvb drivers, ieee1389, etc are updated more often, too [03:12] <fake> each driver has a different release cycle [03:21] <netrunner> ts, dicklength contest on n24 [03:29] blindcoder (i=id@tor/session/x-84df38349950fd78) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:29] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-07b8ffbffe4f013e) joined #rocklinux. [03:40] <fake> woo, the next VLC version will have support for itunes shares [03:40] <blindcoder> itunes shares? [03:41] <fake> zeroconf-based music-sharing in a local LAN [03:41] <blindcoder> ah [03:41] <fake> and speaker-sharing - which is kinda really useful [03:41] <blindcoder> now I'd just need itunes :) [03:41] <blindcoder> hmm [03:41] <blindcoder> deadlock: wanting some beer but not wanting to stand up [03:42] <fake> www.bierher.at [03:42] <fake> hehe [03:42] <blindcoder> that would still require me to stand up to open the door [03:43] <fake> blindcoder: no panzerschreck handy? [03:43] <blindcoder> no _what_? [03:44] <blindcoder> well, starkbierfest next week [03:44] <blindcoder> have to postpone drowning bad thoughts in beer until then [03:44] <fake> in berlin?? [03:44] <blindcoder> no, I'll be in Ingolstadt [03:44] <fake> *phew* i saw you in serious danger there [03:44] <blindcoder> heh, I'm crazy, but not suicidal [03:45] <fake> *shivers* [03:46] <blindcoder> hmm [03:46] <blindcoder> I should sleep [03:46] <fake> wait [03:46] <fake> now i notice [03:46] Action: blindcoder waits [03:46] <fake> you're awak! [03:46] <blindcoder> heh [03:46] <blindcoder> obviously :) [03:46] <fake> *awake [03:47] <fake> at this time?? [03:47] <fake> what happened?? [03:47] <blindcoder> yeah [03:47] <blindcoder> just had a few people over [03:47] <blindcoder> watched a few movies, talked a lot, drank a bi [03:47] <blindcoder> t [03:47] <blindcoder> got dumped by the girl I had a crush on [03:47] <blindcoder> the usual stuff [03:48] <fake> damn... [03:48] <blindcoder> *shrug* [03:48] <blindcoder> andere muetter haben auch schoene toechter :) [03:48] <fake> doch du bist die einzige.. die ich willl.. [03:48] <fake> -ll [03:48] <fake> +l [03:48] Action: blindcoder laughs [03:48] <blindcoder> heh, maybe at the moment [03:49] <blindcoder> let's see what happens after I left this ratsnet called Spandau [03:49] <blindcoder> and moved to a more... active part of Berlin [03:50] <fake> where are you gonna move? [03:50] <blindcoder> friedrichshain, probably [03:50] <blindcoder> at least that's currently the best choice [03:51] <fake> (like i have any idea where that is) aha! [03:51] <blindcoder> got a few friends over there [03:51] <blindcoder> 5 minute drive from alexanderplatz [03:51] <fake> ah nice [03:51] <blindcoder> yeah :) [03:51] <blindcoder> especially nice for CCC :D [03:51] <fake> (the only location i know in berlin, besides ex-HAKP) [03:52] <blindcoder> I think I've only been to HAKP once [03:52] <fake> is it still there? i thought it's going to be demolished [03:52] <blindcoder> no idea [03:53] Action: fake just tries to mencode from real video -> divx [03:53] <blindcoder> shouldn't be a big probelm [03:54] <fake> well, i needed to compile gcc=gcc32 to get libstdc++.so.5 to get realplayer.bin to install the codecs... [03:54] <fake> now i need to re-build mplayer with --with-reallibs=blabla [03:55] <fake> just to watch a few newer south park episodes on the tv-connected ... thing [03:55] <blindcoder> hehe [03:55] <blindcoder> I'd have to get a TV first :P [03:56] <fake> tvs are much cheaper than equally sized flat screens 8) [03:56] Action: blindcoder looks at his beamer producing a screen size of 2.37 m across [03:56] <blindcoder> maybe :) [03:57] <fake> *lol* [03:57] <fake> unfortunately, my flat is very... well. unproportional ;) [03:57] <blindcoder> yeah, I know. I live in blatant luxury [03:57] <fake> it's higher than it's broad [03:57] <blindcoder> huh? [03:57] <blindcoder> you need to invent a gravity generator [03:58] <fake> a 'bosch lufthaken' would solve quite a few problems [03:58] <blindcoder> I prefer the siemens brand [03:58] <blindcoder> they come in more colors [03:59] <blindcoder> hmm [03:59] Action: blindcoder wonders if power over wireless lan would work... [04:12] <fake> hey [04:12] <fake> this --with-reallibdir=/usr/local/RealPlayerEvilBinaryPackage/codecs really works [04:17] Action: fake going to bed now, watching sout park season 8, ep 12 - paris hilton ;) [04:17] <fake> n8! [04:17] <stf^rocklinux> gn8 :) [09:24] _Ragnar_ (i=loki@216.250.77.230) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:03] _Ragnar_ (i=loki@216.250.77.230) joined #rocklinux. [10:25] ija (n=ija@84.19.222.16) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:31] ija (n=ija@84.19.222.6) joined #rocklinux. [10:31] <blindcoder> moin [10:48] ija (n=ija@84.19.222.6) left irc: "leaving" [10:54] ija (n=ija@84.19.222.6) joined #rocklinux. [11:03] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-3fdb455ca428dbda) joined #rocklinux. [11:03] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-07b8ffbffe4f013e) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:03] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [11:44] <owl> moin [14:14] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:23] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) joined #rocklinux. [14:39] mnemoc (n=amery@user4-2.tutopia-dialup.ifxnw.cl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:23] <th> hmmm any chance of building qemu-080 on gcc2? [16:26] <stf^rocklinux> th: according to the user docs, it is tested with gcc 2.96 and x86 as host [16:26] <th> hmm [16:26] <th> 2.95.3 here [16:26] <blindcoder> there's no such thing as gcc 2.96 [16:27] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: there is. that was a RedHat only (buggy!?) release of gcc [16:27] <blindcoder> exactly [16:28] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: many docs especially recommend not to use gcc 2.96 for anything ^^ [16:28] <blindcoder> my point exactly [16:28] <th> let's try a --static --disable-sdl build of qemu and see if this could run here [16:32] <th> then i can finally try what i thought-out about our initramfs stage [16:32] <th> (not at home ATM) [16:33] <stf^rocklinux> btw. I've tried to make alsa-driver build for both linux24 and linux26 kernels [16:35] <th> well -0 i thought alsa-drivers would require kernel headers. [16:35] <th> s/-0// [16:35] <th> after all it's kernelspace [16:36] <stf^rocklinux> also fixed the build error with an update: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006032604193316524 [16:37] <th> the alsa-drivers? [16:37] <stf^rocklinux> th: external modules always seem to use headers from /usr/src/linux-..., not /usr/include [16:37] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes [16:38] <th> propably using /lib/modules/`uname -r`/BUILD? [16:39] <stf^rocklinux> th: perhaps. But this can be changed with the LINUXDIR= make option [16:39] <th> k [16:39] <stf^rocklinux> th: or with configure options, if available [16:40] <th> do we have any fix for the other 3 yet? [16:40] <th> mutt/apmd/pcmcia-cs? [16:40] <stf^rocklinux> th: not here... [16:41] <th> ok - ill test the alsa-drivers patch on my last journal build [16:41] <stf^rocklinux> btw. linux-drm fails because the /usr/src/linux symlink is missing... [16:41] <th> linux-drm is not core, is it? [16:41] <th> did not fail here [16:42] <stf^rocklinux> th: it isn't [16:42] <th> oh boy - isdn IS slow. [16:42] <stf^rocklinux> th: but it's also an external module :) [16:56] <th> !> The file /usr/src/linux-/include/linux/version.h does no .. [16:56] <th> checking for directory with kernel source... /usr/src/linux- [16:56] <th> checking for kernel linux/version.h... no [16:56] <th> The file /usr/src/linux-/include/linux/version.h does not exist. [16:56] <th> Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution [16:56] <th> or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel [17:02] <stf^rocklinux> hmm... [17:04] <stf^rocklinux> th: which package is that? alsa-driver-26? [17:14] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:14] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) joined #rocklinux. [17:43] daja77 (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-045-110.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [17:53] daja77_ (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-042-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:31] SteffenP (n=steffen@p5499644A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:36] <th> stf^rocklinux: that was alsa-driver. the same that failed before [19:36] <th> after your patch [19:37] <stf^rocklinux> th: the package is forked now, you have to use either alsa-driver-24 or alsa-driver-26 [19:37] <th> stf^rocklinux: oh so i need more than your patch [19:37] <th> well [19:37] <th> is the CORE package in the 26 part? [19:39] <stf^rocklinux> th: I forgot to include two files in the patch... [19:42] <stf^rocklinux> th: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006032619413015488 [19:48] <[raphael]> Do we have a functional crystal ISO right now? One that works out of the box and has audio and a functional KDE? [19:48] <[raphael]> and possibly even GCC 4? [19:53] <th> [raphael]: well [19:53] <th> [raphael]: audio is resolved in 7333 [19:53] <th> [raphael]: it is still not gcc4 [19:53] <th> my current build is now at gcc4 [19:53] <th> and it has 4build errors only [19:54] <th> so you can expect a full gcc4 crystal pretty soon [19:56] <th> [raphael]: but hey - disregarding gcc4 - r7333 iso has recent kde and seems to be pretty usable [19:56] <th> stf^rocklinux: is that patch incremental to your previous one? [19:56] <stf^rocklinux> th: no, a replacement [19:56] <th> ok [19:56] <th> so i'll try to revert the old one first [19:57] <th> yea applied all fine [19:58] <stf^rocklinux> raphael: latest crystal works quite well for me, but iirc it does not include the .desktop files fix yet [19:58] <th> stf^rocklinux: yes it does! [19:58] <th> stf^rocklinux: r7333 has fixed desktop files. [19:58] <stf^rocklinux> th: my second, corrected one? [19:58] <th> stf^rocklinux: i think so [19:58] <th> stf^rocklinux: what was your second correction? [19:59] <stf^rocklinux> th: it was not really a correction, but adding the $desktopauto build variable... [20:00] <th> stf^rocklinux: so it's no real "fix" either ;) [20:00] <stf^rocklinux> th: and the first patch I sent for this was buggy, nevermind [20:01] <th> stf^rocklinux: ahh so all your latest stuff is in my current journal i think. [20:01] <th> but there is no problem with the desktop files as before [20:01] <th> that's fixed some time ago. [20:01] <th> the outstanding is only some cleanup [20:01] <th> == 03/26/06 20:05:31 =[5]=> Finished building package alsa-driver-26. [20:02] <th> cool [20:02] <th> this one seems fixed [20:02] <th> [5] base/mutt [5] x86/apmd [20:02] <th> [5] base/pcmcia-cs [20:02] <th> three to go [20:02] <th> then we can have a gcc4 release iso [20:04] <stf^rocklinux> th: "IMPORTANT: The Linux pcmcia-cs package is officially deprecated. It can only be used with 2.4 and older kernels ..." [20:05] <th> hey [20:05] <th> that rocks [20:06] <stf^rocklinux> th: for 2.6 there's pcmciautils [20:07] <th> so that's missing CORE flag [20:07] <stf^rocklinux> th: and pcmcia-cs should be non-core [20:07] <th> so i need to hand over the core flag from pcmcia-cs to pcmciautils [20:07] <th> we would need to move it from base then [20:08] <stf^rocklinux> th: to public, I'd say [20:09] <th> D blindcoder/pcmciautils [20:09] <th> A base/pcmciautils [20:09] <blindcoder> ? [20:09] <th> . [20:09] <blindcoder> WAAH [20:09] <blindcoder> all my packages are taken away from me *snif* [20:09] <th> blindcoder: you're package got promoted [20:09] <blindcoder> while you're at it [20:09] <blindcoder> you could update it to 013 :) [20:09] <th> blindcoder: you still have the [M]ight. [20:09] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: only the good ones ;) [20:15] <stf^rocklinux> th: btw. we could disable qt40 in crystal builds for now [20:15] <th> with pleasure [20:17] <th> shall i just remove coreflag? [20:18] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: I would prefer having Qt4 in there... [20:18] <[raphael]> is it causing troubles? [20:18] <[raphael]> btw. thanks for "functional" builds! [20:18] <th> build-time + space [20:18] <th> and policy [20:18] <[raphael]> i see, well, oh, policy? [20:18] <th> only one thing for one purpose [20:18] <th> so only qt33 OR qt4 [20:19] <[raphael]> ah, ok, well, as long as it's available in the .... what do you call it? package tree? [20:19] <th> you can just do Emerge-Pkg qt=qt40 and you will have your qt [20:19] <[raphael]> yeah, that's fine, I actually didn't even know that the package already exists ;) [20:19] <stf^rocklinux> raphael: or use the custom package selection [20:19] <[raphael]> th, is the above mentioned ISO already built with gcc4 ? [20:20] <th> [raphael]: topic? [20:20] <th> [raphael]: topic is propably the last with gcc3 [20:20] <[raphael]> th, topic? what? [20:20] <th> the channel #rocklinux topic [20:20] <stf^rocklinux> th: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006032620180131796 [20:21] <[raphael]> ahhh, is that with gcc4 ? [20:21] <th> stf^rocklinux: ok - cool thanks [20:22] <th> [raphael]: topic is propably the last with gcc3 [20:23] <th> [raphael]: crystal-r7333_cd1.iso is built with gcc3 [20:23] <th> [raphael]: and we're currently fixing the current journal [20:23] <th> [raphael]: that will be completely gcc4 then [20:24] <stf^rocklinux> th: I'm currently building gcc40 so I can take a look at apmd... [20:24] <th> stf^rocklinux: very good [20:25] <stf^rocklinux> th: did you use mutt 1.5.11? [20:25] <[raphael]> th: that's an explaination, thanks a great deal, I'm looking forward to this [20:26] <th> stf^rocklinux: yea [20:26] <th> [D] 1394214086 mutt-1.5.11.tar.gz ftp://ftp.mutt.org/mutt/devel/ [20:26] <th> ahhh [20:26] <th> perhaps we should remove the gcc4 patch agains 1.4.2.1 then [20:26] <th> i'll try [20:27] <owl> somone is willed to hire an application developer? [20:29] <th> == 03/26/06 20:32:02 =[5]=> Finished building package mutt. [20:29] <th> owl: sure. [20:29] <owl> th: what work? c# stuff? [20:29] <th> owl: c++ [20:29] <th> owl: qt stuff [20:29] <owl> hrm. what a pitty. sorry. no clue about taht [20:31] <netrunner> c#? /me points at owl and rofls [20:31] <owl> netrunner: yes, it's the work i am doing [20:31] <th> blindcoder: your package is broken! [20:32] <th> Compiling pccardctl.c. [20:32] <th> ... [20:32] <th> src/pccardctl.c:22:28: error: sysfs/libsysfs.h: No such file or directory [20:32] <blindcoder> th: is not [20:32] <stf^rocklinux> th: then we need some other package as well [20:32] <blindcoder> th: just needs libsysfs [20:32] <th> damn [20:32] <th> ;) [20:32] <th> ls: */libsysfs: No such file or directory [20:33] <stf^rocklinux> th: sysfsutils [20:33] <th> i'm dump [20:33] <th> stf^rocklinux: so YOUR package is broken ;) [20:33] <th> cause it lacks the CORE flag :) [20:34] <stf^rocklinux> th: so fix it :) [20:35] <th> i did ;) [20:36] <th> == 03/26/06 20:40:00 =[5]=> Finished building package pcmciautils. [20:36] <th> cool [20:36] <th> so only apmd left [20:37] <blindcoder> th: did you update to 013 also? [20:37] <th> no [20:37] <th> shall i try? [20:37] <blindcoder> yes [20:37] <blindcoder> according to todays announcement of pcmciatutils 013 there are some changes to sysfs coming up [20:38] <th> 2727411282 [20:38] <th> anyone acking this cksum? [20:39] <blindcoder> download/mirror/p/pcmciautils-013.tar.bz2 (bzip2): 2727411282 [20:39] <blindcoder> ack [20:39] <th> thanks [20:39] <th> that was curl|bzip2-dc|cksum for me.. [20:40] <th> btw - i really think we should have kernel sources in crystal [20:40] <blindcoder> Download -cksumpatch for me :) [20:41] <stf^rocklinux> th: and some kde docs [20:41] <th> stf^rocklinux: yes. [20:42] Action: blindcoder remembers a patch that would put :doc and :dev splits to the back of the CD Set [20:42] <blindcoder> so dl'ing CD1 would be enough [20:43] <th> i'd prefer to have it all on one cd... ;-/ [20:43] <th> == 20:43:36 =[5]=> Building base/pcmciautils [013 0]. [20:43] <th> ... [20:43] <th> !> /usr/bin/ln -sf /usr/sbin/pccardctl /usr/sbin/lspcmcia [20:43] <th> !> make: /usr/bin/ln: Command not found [20:43] <th> sick [20:43] <th> SYMLINK = /usr/bin/ln -sf [20:46] <daja77> O_o [20:46] <th> patching this... [20:46] <blindcoder> heh [20:47] <th> -SYMLINK = /usr/bin/ln -sf [20:47] <th> +SYMLINK = ln -sf [20:48] <daja77> reminds me of the broken ECHO = definition in the wlan driver makefile .. [20:56] <th> how do i echo easily to stderr in bash? [20:56] <th> with > /dev/stderr? [20:58] <stf^rocklinux> th: echo >&2 [20:58] <th> ah of course [21:21] <th> == 21:06:11 =[5]=> Building x11/qt=qt40 [4.0.1 0]. [21:21] <th> huh [21:22] <th> bad qt [21:22] <th> qt40 still core? [21:22] <th> strange [21:23] <th> #if xpkg == qt33 [21:23] <th> [F] CORE [21:23] <th> #endif [21:23] <th> should work, no? [21:23] <blindcoder> yes [21:23] <blindcoder> bug in the descparser? [21:24] <th> X -----5---- 126.700 x11 qt=qt33 0000 / extra/development CORE 0 [21:24] <th> X -----5---- 126.700 x11 qt=qt40 0000 / extra/development CORE 0 [21:24] <th> hmm [21:26] <th> no QTDIR variable to be set for qt=qt40? [21:26] <th> see .conf [21:27] <th> QT33DIR=$root/opt/qt33 [21:27] <th> QTDIR=\$QT33DIR [21:27] <th> export QT33DIR QTDIR [21:27] <th> that's for qt33 [21:27] <th> QT40DIR=$root/opt/qt40 [21:27] <th> export QT40DIR [21:27] <th> and that's for qt4 [21:27] <th> strange [21:28] <th> pkgmapper.in preconfig.in parse-config [21:28] <th> hehe [21:32] <th> is it the preconfig.in which forces qt40 to be still flagged CORE? [21:46] <fake> moin [21:46] <owl> hi fake [21:47] <blindcoder> oh, a fake [21:47] <fake> th: no this won't work [21:48] <fake> th: the pkgforking is done after the desc parser [21:48] <th> so my fear comes true [21:48] <fake> th: you'll need to add something like there is for glibc2{2,3,4} [21:48] <fake> th: a menu option or some sort of it [21:49] <fake> where you do 'pkgfork qt $ROCKFG_PKG_QT_BRANCH', 'pkgremove qt' [21:49] <fake> that way you can restrict the core flag [21:49] <fake> it's made this way for gcc, glibc, linux,... [21:49] <fake> bdb and automake do it in some other way, iirc [21:50] <fake> the use package preforking [21:50] <fake> *they [21:50] <fake> see package/base/automake/preconfig.in [21:51] <fake> that's why automake17 - 19 are part of crystal ;-) [21:51] <th> if pkgcheck qt X; then [21:51] <th> pkgfork qt qt33 [21:51] <th> pkgfork qt qt40 [21:51] <th> pkgremove qt [21:51] <th> fi [21:51] <th> i guess i only need to remove the qt40 line [21:51] <stf^rocklinux> th: no, add unflag CORE to it [21:52] <th> oh [21:52] <th> yea [21:52] <th> so one can still enableit [21:52] <th> i've been to long on stable ;) [21:54] <th> X -----5---- 126.700 x11 qt=qt33 0000 / extra/development CORE 0 [21:54] <th> O -----5---- 126.700 x11 qt=qt40 0000 / extra/development 0 [21:54] <th> nice [21:55] <fake> stf^rocklinux: pkgfork has an unflag option ? [21:55] <fake> nice ;) [21:55] <th> it has. and it works :) [21:55] <fake> gcc 4.0.3, linux-libc-headers, glibc-24, with curys-sasl-change: [21:55] <fake> 337 builds total, 329 completed fine, 8 with errors. [21:56] <stf^rocklinux> fake: yes, it can change any part of the package line [21:56] <th> not too bad [21:56] <fake> mutt, alsa-driver, apmd and pcmcia-cs are unspecific [21:56] <th> fake: mutt, pcmcia-cs is fixeed [21:56] <fake> oh, cool. let me rebuild... [21:56] <th> pcmcia-cs is to be replaced by pcmciautils for linux26 [21:57] <fake> agreed [21:57] <th> mutt was only because we did not remove an old patch [21:57] <th> s/we/i/ [21:57] <fake> heh, nice [21:57] <th> and stf is provifind the apmd fix soon :) [21:57] <th> ahh and alsa-driver is fixed as well [21:57] <th> stf made them forking [21:57] <fake> stf^rocklinux: which alsa driver patch is the right one? [21:57] <th> it's all in my current journal. [21:58] <th> if apmd is fixed i'll commit [21:58] <stf^rocklinux> fake: the second [21:58] <fake> stf^rocklinux: can you remember disregarding your patches in sm ? ;-) [21:58] <fake> sw33t [21:58] <fake> i'll take a look at thunderbird and firefox next [21:58] <th> fake: and would be cool if we have no other commit before it. perhaps we can make a release out of it [21:59] <fake> th: so trunk's frozen ? [21:59] <th> fake: if we want a release... [21:59] <fake> okay [21:59] <fake> all patches after the laste udev are updates, in my case [21:59] <fake> and you have that one in you journal [21:59] <fake> so that's fine with me ;) [21:59] <th> k [22:00] <fake> where is the mutt patch? [22:00] <th> fake: just remove the gcc40.patch [22:01] <fake> okay [22:01] <th> you have the update patch yet? [22:01] <th> -[V] 1.4.2.1i [22:01] <th> +[V] 1.5.11 [22:01] <th> this one? [22:02] <fake> yes [22:02] <fake> i just added a comment [22:02] <th> k [22:03] <th> wanna gimme da comment? [22:04] <fake> svn rm package/base/mutt/gcc40.patch [22:04] <th> ahhh understood. [22:04] <stf^rocklinux> th: what build error does apmd show to you? [22:05] <th> hmmm damn. just -delete'ed [22:05] <th> lemme see [22:05] SteffenP (n=steffen@p5499644A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [22:06] <fake> i still have it [22:06] <th> lemme check log [22:06] <th> ahh cool [22:07] <th> 01:46:29 < th> apmsleep.c:56:31: error: linux/mc146818rtc.h: No such file or directory [22:07] <th> 01:46:31 < th> (apmd) [22:07] <th> that's what i still know [22:09] <stf^rocklinux> th: that file is missing in linux-libc-headers [22:09] <fake> stf^rocklinux: because it contains nothing that should be used by user-space programs [22:09] <fake> stf^rocklinux: at least that's what they say here: [22:09] <fake> https://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0109.3/0702.html [22:10] <th> ok - now i would have the apmd.err file again [22:12] <fake> i had the same error [22:13] <fake> just replacing the include with linux/rtc.h fixes it [22:13] <stf^rocklinux> fake: including linux/rtc.h instead of the other header works as well ;) [22:13] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I'll send a patch... [22:15] <fake> that's what i ment, actually [22:16] <th> my mouse ready to copy and paste the patch id in the prepared commandline for patching and restarting build-target [22:17] <fake> first! [22:17] <th> id? [22:17] <fake> 2006032622170104240 [22:17] <th> patching file package/x86/apmd/hotfixes.patch [22:17] <th> == 22:21:17 =[5]=> Building x86/apmd [3.0.2 0]. [22:17] <th> == 03/26/06 22:21:22 =[5]=> Aborted building package apmd. [22:17] <fake> stf^rocklinux: sorry ;) [22:17] <th> fake: sorry! [22:18] <fake> ? [22:18] <fake> == 03/26/06 21:18:46 =[5]=> Finished building package apmd. [22:18] <stf^rocklinux> I'll be afk for half an hour... [22:18] <th> - #include <linux/mc146818rtc.h> [22:18] <th> +-#include <linux/mc146818rtc.h> [22:18] <th> ++#include <linux/rtc.h> [22:19] <th> ah [22:19] <th> ;-) [22:19] <th> i should've removed the --dry-run ;-) [22:19] <th> sorry [22:19] <fake> pah! [22:19] <fake> ;-) [22:19] <th> == 03/26/06 22:23:32 =[5]=> Finished building package apmd. [22:19] <th> here we go!! [22:20] <fake> what about pcmciautils ? [22:20] <fake> oh [22:20] <th> moved to base/ and made core [22:20] <fake> there is already a package [22:20] <th> ok. [22:20] <fake> blindcoder is rocker of the month [22:20] <th> yea [22:20] <th> ok [22:20] <th> i think before committing i need to upload a ISO [22:21] <blindcoder> I am? [22:21] <blindcoder> how so? [22:21] <fake> pcmciautils 013 have been release today ;) [22:21] <th> blindcoder: it's jut your look [22:21] <th> fake: i did the update [22:21] <fake> th: lol [22:21] <fake> okay [22:21] <th> fake: and fixed a SYMLINK=/usr/bin/ln [22:21] <blindcoder> I know that I'm good looking, but it's nice to hear it every now and then :) [22:22] <fake> blindcoder: we're stealing your packages one after another [22:22] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [22:22] <blindcoder> fake: yes, I noticed *snif* [22:22] <fake> mwahaha [22:23] <th> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 609M Mar 26 22:26 20060326-crystal.iso [22:23] <th> now THIS rocks. [22:23] <th> enough space for linux kernel sources [22:23] <th> and some kde docs perhaps [22:23] <blindcoder> though I believe you're just envious of my 1337 p4ck4g1ng sk1llz [22:24] <th> 20060326-crystal.iso 2% 14MB 227.4KB/s 44:39 ETA [22:24] <th> do you think rsync would find some room to save bandwidth? [22:24] <th> it's a complete new build [22:25] <blindcoder> a few megabyte perhaps [22:25] <th> let's see [22:26] <blindcoder> you could try bdiff and compress the result :) [22:26] <th> xdelta was performing terribly on iso [22:27] <th> hey - we did not change much... [22:27] <fake> th: error: 'SYSFS_PATH_MAX' undeclared in pcmciautils - did you patch something? [22:27] <th> uh? [22:27] <th> i updated to 013? [22:27] <th> ahh [22:27] <fake> th: i also did [22:27] <th> include sysfsutils [22:27] <fake> aaah, ok [22:27] <fake> thanks [22:27] <th> i COREed it [22:28] <th> and robbed it from stf -> base [22:28] <fake> okay [22:28] <th> fake: these two guys are making us rich mwahahaha [22:29] <blindcoder> let's see [22:29] <blindcoder> both th and fake use ROCK commercially [22:29] <blindcoder> stf and me keep the tree high quality [22:29] <blindcoder> damn, you're right >_< [22:29] <fake> hehe [22:30] <th> hehe i'd say we're a good team :-) [22:30] <th> fake: ^5 [22:30] <fake> *clap* [22:30] Action: blindcoder decides to become a monk and live in a remote shrine to reflect upon his actions [22:31] <fake> okay... svn mv package/blindcoder/* package/base [22:31] <th> blindcoder: take a laptop [22:31] <fake> hehe [22:31] <fake> th: pcmciautils: make: /usr/bin/ln: [22:31] <th> fake: unfortunately you have to put this in a foreach x in package/blindcoder/* loop [22:31] <fake> command not found [22:32] <th> fake: read backlog! [22:32] <th> 20:45:50 < th> !> /usr/bin/ln -sf /usr/sbin/pccardctl /usr/sbin/lspcmcia [22:32] <th> 20:45:50 < th> !> make: /usr/bin/ln: Command not found [22:32] <th> 20:45:51 < th> sick [22:32] <th> 20:46:18 < th> SYMLINK = /usr/bin/ln -sf [22:32] <th> 20:48:55 < th> patching this... [22:32] <th> 20:49:50 < th> -SYMLINK = /usr/bin/ln -sf [22:32] <th> 20:49:50 < th> +SYMLINK = ln -sf [22:32] <fake> th: okay, sorry... i know... [22:32] <daja77> hi fake [22:32] <fake> thanks [22:32] <fake> daja77: hi! [22:32] <th> fake: so we're quit for the dry-run ;) [22:33] <fake> th: indeed... [22:34] <blindcoder> anyway [22:34] <blindcoder> naptime [22:34] <blindcoder> (damn DST) [22:34] <blindcoder> bye [22:34] <th> yea bye [22:35] <th> i almost did not notice DST [22:35] <fake> by blindcoder [22:35] <fake> dst? [22:35] <fake> wtf? [22:35] <th> good to have some clocks which do NOT set automicatlly [22:35] <th> fake: what do YOU think how late it is? [22:36] <fake> 2238 [22:36] <th> then you're correct [22:36] <th> fake: so you noticed the dst [22:36] <fake> or i did? [22:36] <fake> i didn't notice anything [22:37] <th> fake: you're night was 1 hour shorter than usual [22:37] <th> fake: perhaps you should check some clocks that do not set their time automatically [22:38] <th> actually you were still awake [22:38] <th> 01:59:16 < stf^rocklinux> s/kernel/kernel package/ [22:38] <th> 03:00:01 < fake> stf^rocklinux: which are then replace by the alsa-driver package?? [22:38] <th> the channel was NOT idle for an hour ;) [22:38] <daja77> *gg* [22:38] <fake> @903 beats [22:39] <fake> no timing information in my client [22:39] <th> then you should fix that [22:45] <fake> th: once i fixed firefox, thunderbird, dhcp and quota, i could offer a glibc-24 version of almos exactly your iso [22:45] <fake> +t [22:45] <th> cool [22:45] <th> fake: cool would be a 64bit iso ;-) [22:45] <th> fake: you have 25minutes. [22:50] menomc (n=amery@user4-2.tutopia-dialup.ifxnw.cl) joined #rocklinux. [22:50] <fake> th: the build on x86_64 didn't have other errors than the one i'm currently fixing [22:51] <th> fake: is there anything special with installing it? [22:51] <fake> but there is the bootloader problem. [22:51] <fake> indeed. [22:51] <fake> there is no bootloader compilable on x86_64 with 64 bit libs [22:52] <fake> so we'd need a cross-gcc and a cross-glibc just to build the bootloader... [22:52] Nick change: menomc -> mnemoc [22:52] <stf^rocklinux> fake: don't we build both 32 and 64 bit libs for x86_64? [22:53] <fake> no [22:53] <fake> multilib is evil [22:54] <fake> oh great. now our dns didn't come up again... [22:55] <th> hmm? [22:55] <fake> narf [22:56] <mnemoc> .oO( is th the person to blame? )o [22:57] <th> mnemoc: i think he's not talking of rock's dns but something at his site [22:57] <mnemoc> ic :) [22:57] <fake> yes [22:58] <fake> stupid machine, trying to boot our backup tapes [23:05] <th> btw - can we boot from intel-macs yet? [23:05] <daja77> *gg* [23:06] Action: netrunner could offer to test that on a colleagues new mac [23:06] <netrunner> or is it not expected to work? [23:08] <th> upload of new iso finished really soon [23:09] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: do you know which boot loader is needed? [23:13] <th> https://www.blu-ray.com/images/media/tdk.jpg [23:13] <th> i think we should add some more packaes [23:15] <th> ok iso is uploaded [23:16] <fake> url ? [23:16] <th> https://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/official/test-releases/ [23:17] <th> 20060326-crystal.iso [23:17] #rocklinux: mode change '+o th' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [23:18] Topic changed on #rocklinux by th!n=th@montana.hbsn.de: https://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/official/test-releases/20060326-crystal.iso (gcc4!) [23:18] <fake> th: can you add .info files for the isos, so they become visible in the web frontend? [23:18] <th> i dont know how to do this. [23:18] <fake> cp unofficial/fake/blabla/irgendwas.info official/test-release/ [23:19] <fake> vim ... && mv [23:19] <fake> it's just a small text file describing the iso [23:21] <th> perhaps i should grab a cool template [23:30] <th> ok - added one [23:32] <fake> nice! [23:33] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:33] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) joined #rocklinux. [23:34] <th> perhaps i should note gcc4 [23:36] <fake> oh great, my disk is full [23:36] <th> buy a new one [23:37] <th> cleanup up does not pay off [23:37] <fake> i know [23:37] <daja77> i need more diskspace for new builds too [23:37] <fake> just copied a few movies to the fileserver, that gives enough space for your iso [23:43] <th> https://iso.rocklinux.de/default.php?dir=/official/test-releases/ [23:43] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: I don't know anything :) [23:48] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: I see ^^ [23:48] <stf^rocklinux> I'll be off, gn8 all [23:48] <owl> gn8 stf^rocklinux [23:50] <fake> n8 stf^rocklinux [23:51] <th> cya stf^rocklinux [00:00] --- Mon Mar 27 2006