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[00:55] <th> no kde update in sm yet?
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[07:22] <netrunner> moin
[07:26] <netrunner> fake: one issue: sysfsutils _must_ be upgraded to 2.0.0 for the pmount to work. (clean update)
[08:05] <th> moin
[08:05] <th> hmm still no kde update
[09:06] <blindcoder> moin
[09:43] <daja77> is someone trying it?
[09:49] <netrunner> does not seem so :)
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[11:49] Action: netrunner can try
[11:56] Action: netrunner downloading new packages
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[12:15] Action: blindcoder downloading and building a trunk generic
[12:19] <netrunner> daja77: I think boost will ignore icu anyway as there is HAVE_ICU=0 in boost.conf
[12:26] Action: netrunner patching boost.conf
[12:27] <fake> moin
[12:27] <fake> th: had troubles downloading the packages yesterday
[12:28] <fake> th: servers were overloaded
[12:28] <fake> th: will finish it now
[12:28] <fake> netrunner: okay, thanks for looking into it
[12:28] <netrunner> fake: sysfsutils is vital for kernels >2.6.8
[12:28] <fake> netrunner: so i should rediff the patch for the hal/dbus update and leave the .fdi files?
[12:29] <fake> netrunner: update incoming
[12:29] <fake> oh
[12:29] <fake> you were faster than me ;)
[12:30] <fake> netrunner: so pmount needs to be [F] CORE'd, too
[12:30] <netrunner> fake: my gf switched on my build server :)
[12:30] <netrunner> Wake_On_Girlfriend
[12:30] <netrunner> WOG
[12:30] <fake> *lol*
[12:31] <fake> how is she?
[12:31] <fake> (i guess it's still the one i know? ;)
[12:31] <netrunner> fake: awake
[12:31] <netrunner> fake: should be the same. she's fine ...
[12:33] <fake> greet her from one of the drug dealers ;)
[12:34] <netrunner> will do.
[12:34] <fake> netrunner: i'll rediff your sysfsutils update, since it's already in base/ in trunk
[12:34] <netrunner> ah ok.
[12:35] <netrunner> haven't synced this tree for some time.
[12:35] <fake> you should - many changes.
[12:36] Action: netrunner has no time ...
[12:40] <daja77> netrunner: well it did not, that's why I wrote a bug report to them ;)
[12:43] <th> fake: would you mind uploading the kde files to phoenix, if we cant download them to phoenix?
[12:43] <th> fake: or are the servers ok now?
[12:44] <netrunner> daja77: I started a build passing HAVE_ICU=1 ... runs fine so far.
[12:44] <netrunner> daja77: do you want it to ignore icu?
[12:46] <fake> th: i think it works now
[12:46] <fake> th: just did the sysfsutils update
[12:46] <fake> th: netrunner ment we need to flag pmount as CORE too
[12:46] <fake> th: for the hald mount stuff to work
[12:47] <th> then we should do it
[12:47] <th> can't be that big
[12:47] <fake> downloads running again
[12:48] <daja77> netrunner: no
[12:48] <daja77> not since i packaged libicu ;)
[12:48] <fake> th: pmount: Package Size: 0.09 MB, 13 files
[12:48] <fake> ;)
[12:48] <blindcoder> fake: think a generic build from todays trunk will work?
[12:49] <blindcoder> as in less than 50 broken packages?
[12:49] <fake> blindcoder: hmm... the sasl changes and the linux-libc-headers change may cause some woes
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[12:49] <fake> blindcoder: stf^rocklinux did a generic build with linux-libc-headers and reported almost no errors, iirc
[12:49] <fake> blindcoder: so gogogo ;)
[12:49] <blindcoder> fake: already ran into xorg 6.9.0 problems with lvp
[12:50] <th> r7368 runs without any build error for a crystal build.
[12:50] <th> even with gcc4
[12:50] <blindcoder> Apply patch /ROCK/target/lvp/patches/xorg_hotfixes.patch ...
[12:50] <blindcoder> patching file programs/xclock/Imakefile
[12:50] <blindcoder> Hunk #1 FAILED at 15.
[12:50] <blindcoder> >_<
[12:50] <daja77> ts and my machine is idle
[12:51] <blindcoder> daja77: then DO something about it
[12:53] <blindcoder> hmm
[12:53] <blindcoder> I just notice that we still have dietlibc
[12:53] <th> it even get's build in bootdisk target
[12:55] <blindcoder> fake: is there a binary version of our mips stuff or will I have to cross build?
[12:56] <th> blindcoder: could you document the crossbuilding stuff while doing?
[12:56] <th> ;)
[12:56] <blindcoder> th: I guess I'll have to write a complete "Howto get ROCK onto an indigo2"
[12:57] <blindcoder> but first I have to create the patch for xorg 6.9.0
[12:58] <blindcoder> hmm
[12:58] <th> indigo2? how boring
[12:58] <blindcoder> only one part failing
[12:59] <th> a netgear accesspoint is more interesting
[12:59] <blindcoder> sponsor me one
[12:59] <th> accesspoint?
[13:00] <blindcoder> 13:01 < th> indigo2? how boring
[13:00] <blindcoder> 13:01 < th> a netgear accesspoint is more interesting
[13:00] <blindcoder> yeah :)
[13:00] <blindcoder> I got the indigo2 for ~50 euro
[13:00] <th> the AP is for EUR 60
[13:01] <blindcoder> but I already have an access point
[13:01] Action: netrunner wants to replace the xorg via driver with the unichrome version
[13:07] <blindcoder> hrmpf
[13:07] <blindcoder> diff -pruN xc xc-patch > foo
[13:07] <blindcoder> takes ages >_<
[13:09] <netrunner> 1
[13:10] <blindcoder> 1 age?
[13:10] <blindcoder> for a 7 kB patch file...
[13:11] <blindcoder> 5 kB even
[13:17] <blindcoder> lvp build continuing
[13:17] <th> blindcoder: well i could lend you a accesspoint which is fullu OpenWRT supported and set a bounty for a full target for this device for like 200EUR
[13:17] <netrunner> daja77: how old is https://lospalmos.net/boost-logs/boost-gcc-4.0.2.log ?
[13:18] <blindcoder> th: tempting. though I am not really the guy for this work
[13:18] <daja77> 4-6 weeks
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[13:18] <blindcoder> th: let's see... I have *counts* one afternoon and maybe one weekend day for this at my disposal
[13:18] <netrunner> daja77: in that log, icu is disabled. also the -gcc-3.4.4  one.
[13:18] <netrunner> daja77: boost fails for me with similar errors, but libicu is now stated to be enabled.
[13:18] <daja77> netrunner: it tries to link against it anyway
[13:19] <th> blindcoder: well - that's not much
[13:19] <blindcoder> th: exactly. Monday/Wednesday/Thursday/Friday: kendo training
[13:19] <netrunner> daja77: boost.org says HAVE_ICU should work if it is in the linker path. 
[13:19] <blindcoder> th: one weekend day: house cleaning/relaxing
[13:19] <netrunner> daja77: the build error is not caused by icu imho
[13:19] <th> blindcoder: 4 times a week. what kyu did you reach yet?
[13:19] <blindcoder> th: leaves tuesday afternoon and one weeekend day
[13:19] <fake> th: btw, did you re-rename the xorg 6.9.0 security patch after the update?
[13:19] <blindcoder> th: 5th
[13:19] <th> blindcoder: oh that's not so much yet ;)
[13:20] <blindcoder> th: working on 4th in three-four months
[13:20] <blindcoder> th: well, I just started wednesday trainings
[13:20] <fake> th: mememe
[13:20] <blindcoder> th: because my sensei scolded me for lacking stamina >_<
[13:21] <fake> th: send me a detailed mail about what that bounty would include
[13:21] <daja77> Building Boost.Regex with Unicode/ICU support enabled <- that's from that log
[13:21] <fake> th: i have a soekris router target somewhere...
[13:21] <netrunner> daja77: the error is something about "defined in discarded section", so it is probably optimization issue.
[13:21] <daja77> i586-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -licui18n
[13:21] <daja77> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[13:21] <daja77> not in the gcc4 log
[13:22] <netrunner> daja77: this I don't have.
[13:22] <daja77> when I added libicu it worked with gcc4
[13:22] Action: netrunner retrying with march=pentiummmx
[13:22] <daja77> netrunner: with 3.4 you have that binutils related stuff
[13:22] <daja77> but you pointed to the gcc4 log
[13:22] <th> fake: soekris is x86...
[13:22] <daja77> with gcc4 and libicu it build fine
[13:23] <fake> th: i ment, what you expect the rock target to look like
[13:23] <blindcoder> hmm
[13:23] <blindcoder> anyone think it's important/necessary/nicetohave to have a stone module for user/group administration?
[13:23] <blindcoder> I have one 50% done here
[13:23] <fake> th: i have a cobalt machine (cobalt cacheraq2) with an r5000 nevada core running rock relatively stabel
[13:23] <th> fake: ok will do. basically i need a running 2.6 kernel and things like openvpn/iptables and stuff
[13:23] <fake> stable
[13:24] <netrunner> daja77: look in the log, search for icu and read the 2nd occurrence. it will probably tell that icu is disabled
[13:24] <fake> th: can you send me the hardware for pre-evaluation so i can estimate my chances?
[13:24] <th> blindcoder: dunno
[13:24] <fake> th: sounds reasonable
[13:24] <fake> blindcoder: i think it wouldn't hurt, especially since we will have a plugdev, wheel and sound group that need to be considered
[13:24] <th> fake: SER with some iax connection would be most-rocking ;)
[13:25] <th> fake: you have a paypal account?
[13:25] <blindcoder> plugdev? wheel? why?
[13:25] <daja77> netrunner: well it tries to link against it anyway, that's in that log too
[13:25] <fake> blindcoder: i *always* forget to put my users into the sound / wheel groups
[13:25] <fake> th: SER can do IAX?
[13:25] <daja77> i know that it says it was disabled ..
[13:25] <fake> th: somewhere
[13:25] <th> fake: i doubt it.
[13:25] <th> fake: but i'd like to play with something that connects SIP through IAX
[13:25] <netrunner> daja77: at least not in the https://lospalmos.net/boost-logs/boost-gcc-3.4.4.log
[13:25] <blindcoder> fake: so far I can create and edit users
[13:25] <th> fake: i think that could run good on that hardware
[13:25] <fake> th: asterisk would be possible, but i wouldn't count on much throughput...
[13:26] <daja77> netrunner: argh, please talk about one log at one time only please, the errors i had with the two compilers are completely different
[13:26] <th> fake: most important application would be openvpn, iptables, and briding
[13:26] <th> fake: and the wlan stuff of course
[13:26] <th> fake: usb-storage
[13:26] <th> usb-hiddev
[13:26] <fake> th: the codec costs depend, if you run ulaw, it should scale normally, but gsm costs are much higher, not even thinking about g72{3,9} here
[13:26] <th> fake: and these kernel things
[13:26] <fake> th: usb-hiddev on a router?
[13:27] <netrunner> daja77: ic
[13:27] <th> fake: yea
[13:27] <th> fake: it's not only HID hardware that speaks HID
[13:27] <fake> hey, by the way, i succesfully got my joystick to work yesterday ;)
[13:27] Action: netrunner rebuilding with p-mmx/3.4 and going for lunch
[13:27] <fake> th: but? 
[13:27] <blindcoder> that reminds me
[13:27] <daja77> fake: with what game?
[13:27] <blindcoder> maybe I should get in contact with the qcake guys
[13:28] <th> fake: different hardware for measuring tasks
[13:28] <fake> daja77: kde -> Control Center - > Peripherals -> Joystick >_^
[13:28] <fake> th: interesting
[13:28] <th> fake: and pppoe should be no problem i guess
[13:29] <th> fake: but you're right i should compile a list
[13:30] <fake> th: please do so. i can also buy hardware in advance, don't worry about that, just tell me what router it is exactly you have
[13:30] <fake> th: and give me time...
[13:31] <fake> th: i have been wanting to do this for quite long, all the appliance/router solutions you can buy suck
[13:31] <th> fake: i talked to some openwrt guy and got a recommendation for the best hardware
[13:31] <th> and i ordered three devices
[13:31] <th> and i'm still waiting
[13:31] <th> should be shipped today
[13:31] <th> fainlly
[13:31] <th> finally
[13:32] <fake> wee :)
[13:33] <daja77> are the rolling rock articles somewhere on the new page?
[13:33] <th> fake: https://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/a162179.html
[13:36] <fake> th: it's 16 EUR more in .at :(
[13:37] <th> yea i know
[13:37] <th> and i guess it would cost like 16EUR if i ship one to you
[13:38] <daja77> blindcoder: you missed one wikispammer
[13:39] <blindcoder> daja77: damn :(
[13:39] <blindcoder> daja77: 3 blindcoder: 1 >_<
[13:39] <daja77> :D
[13:40] <fake> th: i'll be in munich next weekend, i'll just buy it there and import it, hehehe
[13:40] <blindcoder> fake: starkbierfest am nockerberg?
[13:40] <stf^rocklinux> moin
[13:40] <fake> blindcoder: _surely_ not ;)
[13:40] <fake> blindcoder: more like LAN party @nos 8) 
[13:41] <blindcoder> ah
[13:41] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: moun
[13:41] <blindcoder> moin
[13:41] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: you missed a description
[13:41] <stf^rocklinux> fake, blindcoder: generic bild finished, currently with ~60 failed packages
[13:41] <fake> kde download gives me curl: (56) FTP response reading failed
[13:41] <blindcoder> fake: I'll be at starkbierfest IN with Spozerl :)
[13:41] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: where?
[13:41] <daja77> fake: i finished kde downloading
[13:42] <fake> daja77: grmbl
[13:42] <daja77> ah that reminds me, clifford asked me about that sylpheed bug ..
[13:42] <stf^rocklinux> fake, blindcoder: I'm currently looking into the build errors and writing a build report for errors I can't fix...
[13:42] <fake> daja77: i have a build stopped right before kdelibs
[13:42] <daja77> ic
[13:42] <fake> stf^rocklinux: cool!
[13:43] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: 2006032913344707342
[13:43] <daja77> fake: I am looking for that command to cleanup download dir ..
[13:43] <daja77> only have 9gb on that part for building
[13:43] <fake> ./scripts/Download -list-unknown
[13:43] <blindcoder> daja77: ./scripts/Download -list-unknown | cut -f3 -d: | xargs rm
[13:44] <daja77> ah that one, is that in the wiki too?
[13:45] <daja77> interesting
[13:45] <daja77> rm: too few arguments
[13:46] <blindcoder> the -f3 might be wrong
[13:46] <fake> no
[13:46] <fake> -f3 only
[13:46] <fake> no -d:
[13:46] <blindcoder> oh
[13:46] <fake> err
[13:46] <fake> -d' '
[13:47] <blindcoder> nah
[13:47] <blindcoder> -d\ 
[13:47] <fake> cut -f3 -d' '
[13:47] <fake> or -f3 -d\ (space here)
[13:47] <daja77> yeah sure, one should say which is the delimiter
[13:47] <fake> i don't get why i can't download kde
[13:48] <blindcoder> fake: trying to proxy ftp through privoxy?
[13:48] <fake> nooo
[13:48] <daja77> hm i could offer these packages to you but it might be slow
[13:48] <fake> just plain network access
[13:48] <fake> curl says:
[13:48] <fake> 56     Failure in receiving network data
[13:48] Action: fake updating curl
[13:49] <daja77> whoa 16gb now
[13:49] <fake> curl 7.15.3 (i586-unknown-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.15.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8a zlib/1.2.3
[13:49] <daja77> fake: with recent rock version i have problems with ftp access
[13:49] <fake> wget: Error in server response, closing control connection.
[13:50] <daja77> yep
[13:50] <daja77> well usual it can't open the data connection
[13:50] <daja77> and it doesn't matter which ftp program i use
[13:51] <fake> ftp> get kdebase-3.5.2.tar.bz2
[13:51] <fake> local: kdebase-3.5.2.tar.bz2 remote: kdebase-3.5.2.tar.bz2
[13:51] <fake> 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection
[13:51] <daja77> fake: i can put them on http if you like
[13:52] <fake> 5009  write(3, "PORT 10,7,1,103,165,167\r\n", 25) = 25
[13:53] <daja77> oh forgot it, i only have 3.5.1
[13:53] <fake> why is it using ports < 1024 for the data connection ??
[13:53] <fake> 5009  read(3, 0xb7f43000, 1024)         = -1 ECONNRESET (Connection reset by peer)
[13:54] <blindcoder> fake: try --disable-epsv
[13:54] <fake> blindcoder: as a switch to what?
[13:54] <daja77> google says: did you mean --disable-pasv
[13:55] <blindcoder> fake: curl
[13:55] <blindcoder> blindcoder@fuzzy:~$ mine -q curl
[13:55] <blindcoder> curl 7.14.0 0
[13:55] <fake>  --disable-epsv  Inhibit using EPSV (F)
[13:55] <fake> wtf is EPSV ?
[13:57] Action: daja77 just connected and downloading
[13:57] <fake> now it's running again here, too, i'm just missing a few bits of some i18n files and half of kdebase
[13:57] <daja77> strange
[13:58] <blindcoder> enhanced passive
[13:58] <fake> https://rfc.net/rfc2428.html
[13:59] <daja77> what is enhanced passive
[13:59] <fake> FTP Extensions for IPv6 and NATs
[13:59] <daja77> ah
[14:00] <fake> Using the EPSV command benefits performance of
[14:00] <fake>    transfers that traverse firewalls or Network Address Translators
[14:00] <fake>    (NATs).
[14:00] <daja77> my dsl router does ftp, so even active works
[14:02] <fake> they're right
[14:02] <fake> with that extension
[14:02] <fake> now that everyone's using passive 'just-to-be-sure-it-works'
[14:03] <netrunner> hm, same problem
[14:09] <netrunner> we don't have a kerberos server?
[14:11] <blindcoder>                 cmd="${cmd} 'Members: ${members:0:25}' 'exec 3>&2 ; members=\`user_edit_group_members ${groupname} 2>&1 1>&3\`'"
[14:11] <blindcoder> >_<
[14:12] <blindcoder> sometimes, bash stinks
[14:16] <fake> O_O
[14:17] <blindcoder> heh, yeah
[14:17] <blindcoder> thing is
[14:18] <blindcoder> I have a variable in a while in function a
[14:18] <blindcoder> I need to change this variable from within function b
[14:18] <blindcoder> so I do
[14:18] <blindcoder> members=`b $groupname`
[14:18] <blindcoder> but that would suppress the stone module
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[14:18] <blindcoder> so I open a filedescriptor 3 and point it to stderr
[14:18] <blindcoder> then I move stderr to stdout
[14:18] <fake> just..... don't overdo it, okay? keep it simple...
[14:19] <blindcoder> then I move stdout to the new filedescriptor three
[14:19] <blindcoder> and within function b I echo the result to filedescriptor 2 (formerly stderr, now stdout)
[14:19] <blindcoder> which will then land in the variable members from within function a
[14:19] <blindcoder> and the menu is still displayed on the terminal
[14:19] <blindcoder> since it writes to filedescriptor 1 (formerly stdout, now 3)
[14:19] <blindcoder> simple, isn't it?
[14:20] <netrunner> no.
[14:20] <fake> definitely not.
[14:20] <blindcoder> :(
[14:20] <blindcoder> but... but...
[14:20] <blindcoder> it's just one line of code!
[14:20] <fake> one - unmaintainable - line of code
[14:20] <blindcoder> no
[14:20] <blindcoder> it's easy
[14:20] <blindcoder> I just explained it :)
[14:20] <blindcoder> hmm
[14:20] <fake> (said the one who wrote it ;)
[14:20] <blindcoder> maybe I should add a comment to that line
[14:20] <fake> or 5
[14:20] <daja77> hehe
[14:21] <fake> finally, kde is here.
[14:21] <daja77> one simple line, and 20 to explain it
[14:21] Action: fake resuming build
[14:21] <netrunner> my kde is still downloading :)
[14:22] <blindcoder> okay, three lines
[14:29] <fake> == 03/29/06 14:31:35 =[5]=> Finished building package arts.
[14:29] <fake> wee.
[14:30] <fake> 1.5.2, of course.
[14:30] <blindcoder> okay, user/group admin module completed :)
[14:30] <daja77> https://customwheel.com/custom_wheels/default.php?pimpstar=1
[14:30] <blindcoder> 150 lines of bash
[14:34] <daja77> .oO (damn i18n packages)
[14:34] <fake> th: still in crystal? can you run konsole -> settings -> configure konsole ?
[14:35] <th> fake: sorry i cannot at this moment
[14:35] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: nice :)
[14:37] <fake>  they are powered by the vehicle electrical system
[14:37] <fake> daja77: how can they be powered by the board system? they are spinning?
[14:37] <th> is it save to build three targets at the same time in the same tree?
[14:37] <fake> th: yes
[14:37] <blindcoder> 2006032914374524275
[14:37] <blindcoder> have fun :)
[14:38] <blindcoder> anyway
[14:38] <blindcoder> I'm going to IN now
[14:38] <blindcoder> see you maybe next week
[14:38] <blindcoder> bye
[14:38] <th> cya blindy
[14:38] <daja77> fake: no idea, but the prices are enormous
[14:38] <fake> blindcoder: have FUN!
[14:38] <fake> blindcoder: greetz to spozerl
[14:39] <daja77> the university has no power for 3 hours on saturday, so they have to switch off almost everything, including clusternodes
[14:39] <fake> muahaha
[14:39] <fake> 'just student stuff, anyways'
[14:39] <th> even lifesupport and gravity?
[14:39] <daja77> 91 clusternodes are broken atm anyway
[14:40] <fake> th: LOL
[14:40] <daja77> *gg*
[14:40] <daja77> life support aka coffee machines
[14:40] <stf^rocklinux> th: lol. "Because of a power shortage, the sun will be switched off for 3 hours..."
[14:40] <th> i was more referring to environmental control.
[14:41] <th> oxygen, pressure, temperature.
[14:41] <th> stf^rocklinux: hehe yea
[14:41] <fake> shielding against radiation
[14:42] Action: daja77 likes to switch off gravity for just one moment here
[14:42] <fake> spacedaja
[14:43] <daja77> yeah my upgrade to be a superhero
[14:46] <th> is a dual cpu machine half-idling if the load is at 1?
[14:46] <fake> yes
[14:46] <fake> ./scripts/Build-Target -tasks 2
[14:46] <fake> or something
[14:46] <fake> = local cluster build
[14:47] <th> does hyperthreading count?
[14:47] <fake> th: a question of taste...
[14:47] <th> does this work without issues?
[14:47] <fake> th: of course it has issues. there is the cluster build logic as overhead
[14:47] <th> i'm not talking of some performance overhead.
[14:47] <th> real showstopper issues
[14:47] <daja77> .oO (now it takes ages to download kde i18n it, what for? the italians i know talking german to me)
[14:47] <fake> not sure, haven't done it in a long time
[14:48] <th> or would it just be some performance gain for my builds?
[14:48] <netrunner> https://guest@andreas.anvame.net/cgi-bin/gallery/gallery.sh?a=/Public/SoFi_20060329
[14:48] <th> hahahaha
[14:48] <th> root@jumbo:/mnt/rock/trunk# ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg boot -tasks 2
[14:48] <th> ./scripts/Build-Target: line 73: echo_error: command not found
[14:48] <th> ./scripts/Build-Target: line 74: echo_error: command not found
[14:49] <th> so much for "does it work"
[14:49] <netrunner> scripts/Config -> enable cluster build; scripts/Build-Target, scripts/Build-Job -daemon; scripts/Build-Job -daemon
[14:49] <th> that'd be a real cluster build then
[14:50] <netrunner> so?
[14:50] <th> not the "local cluster build" fake's referring ;)
[14:50] <netrunner> that's what I refer to as local cluster. just add 2 nodes locally
[14:51] <netrunner> https://guest@andreas.anvame.net/cgi-bin/gallery/gallery.sh?a=/Public/SoFi_20060329
[14:51] <daja77> where have you made them?
[14:51] <th> netrunner: you're in africa?
[14:52] <th> or brasil?
[14:52] <netrunner> it's from a colleague in antalya
[14:52] <stf^rocklinux> daja: we could use the LINGUAS variable (it contains the list of languages that packages should install translations for)
[14:53] <stf^rocklinux> daja: afaik this is the standard way of limiting the set of installed translations
[14:53] <daja77> hm?
[14:54] <stf^rocklinux> see e.g. https://archives.linuxfromscratch.org/mail-archives/lfs-dev/2005-June/051883.html
[14:55] <stf^rocklinux> daja: we could e.g. dis-/enable i18n and l10n packages based on the contents of the variable
[14:55] <daja77> ah well i wasn't talking about installation atm, but still thi could be considered
[14:58] <th> how much would we save by this?
[15:00] <fake> th, always only interested in the numbers...
[15:00] <stf^rocklinux> th: I don't know, you could search for .mo files (message translations)
[15:01] <th> fake: that's not true. how often would that be? ;-)
[15:02] <fake> *gg*
[15:04] <daja77> someone is fetching coffee for me, wee
[15:08] <daja77> never calculate into other units!
[15:08] <daja77> Finished downloading 2110685 bytes in 85.090 seconds (24805.000 bytes/sec).
[15:11] <fake> .eu landrush begins next friday...
[15:11] <daja77> hm?
[15:11] <th> yea i know.
[15:11] <th> anyone wants some?
[15:11] <fake> still now word on our phase2
[15:11] Action: fake trying fake.eu
[15:11] <fake> but some french weirdo set for it in phase2, no accept yet, though
[15:12] <daja77> daja.eu looks strange
[15:12] <fake> and the british health provision council is going for hpc.eu
[15:12] <daja77> O_o
[15:12] <fake> but we (my company) were first ;)
[15:12] Action: daja77 wants h.eu
[15:12] <th> i have a successfull phase1 ;)
[15:13] <fake> th: which one?
[15:13] <fake> hintze.eu ?
[15:13] <th> nope. that's in phase2 still pending
[15:13] <fake> this whole registration is a mess
[15:14] <th> a bit. yea
[15:14] <daja77> you should try fake.iq ;)
[15:14] <fake> iq ?
[15:14] <daja77> iraq
[15:15] <fake> Expired help   --
[15:16] <fake> th: your application expired!
[15:16] <th> fake: psst.
[15:16] <th> fake: that's tacti
[15:16] <fake> Deadline for documents: 19 March 2006
[15:16] <th> fake: that's tactic
[15:16] <th> fake: to save lawyers costs
[15:16] <th> fake: i know all this ;)
[15:16] <fake> *grins* you are so evil
[15:16] <th> fake: expired phase2's wont be available at landrush time. but later
[15:17] <daja77> hehe
[15:18] <netrunner> geldwieh.eu
[15:18] <daja77> :D
[15:18] <fake> binzusch.eu
[15:18] <fake> totaln.eu
[15:18] <netrunner> sch.eu ... guess that's already taken?
[15:19] <netrunner> how can I check those things?
[15:19] <fake> whois.eu
[15:20] <th> just use whois command line tool
[15:20] <th> Domain:      sch
[15:20] <th> Status:      APPLICATION PENDING
[15:21] <netrunner> No whois server is known for this kind of object.
[15:24] <fake> th: kde update should go into sm tonight (very late, but tested)
[15:24] <netrunner> fake: I am still downloading :)
[15:25] Action: daja77 too
[15:25] <netrunner> daja77: you're stealing my bandwidth!
[15:25] <th> fake: cool
[15:25] <th> netrunner: update your whois client
[15:25] <fake> are 3 people doing a kde upgrade?
[15:26] <daja77> fake: hehe yesterday nobody did ;)
[15:26] <fake> i did
[15:26] <fake> i just got held back by the damn epsv
[15:27] <daja77> have you switched it off now?
[15:27] <fake> yes
[15:28] <daja77> Microsoft-Chef Steve Ballmer hat gestanden: Damit sie niemals Produkte wie iPods oder PSPs begehren, hat er seinen Kindern das Gehirn gewaschen.
[15:28] <daja77> O_o
[15:30] <fake> MS BrainWash Extended Special Server Edition 2008 Professional .NET 
[15:31] <daja77> mobile edition ;)
[15:31] <th> hmm foo.eu is still free
[15:31] <fake> MS(tm) Brain(tm)Wash(tm) Ext(tm)ended(tm) Special(R) Server(tm pending) Edition(patent pending) 2008(tm) Pro(tm)fessional(R) .NET(tm)(R)
[15:32] <daja77> :D
[15:32] <th> how would we make gcc4 the default?
[15:32] <th> is that per target?
[15:33] <fake> th: in package/base/gcc/config.in
[15:33] <fake> config-?00.in
[15:33] <th> 300
[15:33] <th> opk
[15:33] <th> ok
[15:33] Action: daja77 votes pro gcc4
[15:33] <fake> makes problems on ppc32
[15:34] <fake> but i'll fix it
[15:34] <daja77> only thing is that qemu doesn't work
[15:34] <th> i'm for gcc40 has the default compiler now.
[15:34] <fake> ack
[15:34] <th> qemu does not work?
[15:34] <th> oups
[15:34] <fake> glibc24 demands gcc41 on ppc32
[15:34] <daja77> th: it is not supported ... you can switch that configure check off, but then it really fails
[15:35] <th> daja77: so i'd need to install gcc34 just to have qemu?
[15:36] <daja77> perhaps
[15:36] <daja77> i don't remember the compile errors 
[15:37] <fake> they should fix their broken app
[15:37] <daja77> indeed, but he says it is a broken compiler ..
[15:38] <fake> gcc ... VERSUS ... a french guy...
[15:38] <daja77> :)
[15:46] <th> btw - who said that landrush begins next friday?
[15:46] <th> next friday would be 31.03.
[15:46] <th> landrush starts on 7.4.
[15:46] <fake> i mean _next_ friday, not _this_ friday
[15:47] Action: daja77 hopes mplayer fixes its buffer overflows soon
[15:57] Action: fake likes thunderbird
[15:58] <daja77> that reminds me to ask my father if he followed my advisory ;)
[15:58] <fake> ;-)
[15:59] <th> what is "this" friday? that's only valid if TODAY would be friday
[15:59] <th> "next" friday is the next day that qualifies to be called "friday"
[16:00] <stf^rocklinux> th: think this week's friday, next week's friday
[16:00] <th> stf^rocklinux: that terminology would be ok.
[16:01] <fake> th: save that logic as applicable when i talk about dates 
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[16:01] <fake> 'diesen' freitag, 'naechsten' freitag
[16:01] <daja77> th: he is in austria, you know ..
[16:01] <fake> next friday is translatable as 'kommenden freitag'
[16:01] <th> fake: i can't store specific terminology for everyone i talk to.
[16:01] <fake> or as 'naechsten freitag'
[16:01] <fake> th: then it's time for an upgrade
[16:02] <daja77> th: you need more memory
[16:02] <th> "kommenden freitag" EXACTLY!
[16:02] <th> and which friday is coming next?
[16:02] <th> the one of THIS week
[16:02] <fake> *sigh*
[16:02] <th> no problem - you're .at
[16:02] <fake> grml!
[16:02] <th> heh ;)
[16:03] Action: daja77 announces fake vs. th, entrance fee 3 euro
[16:03] <fake> daja77: set the channel to moderated & let's go ;)
[16:03] <daja77> :D
[16:04] <daja77> fake: perhaps we could voip this evening?
[16:06] <daja77> ah the most important package is just downloading: kdegames
[16:07] <fake> == 16:09:07 =[5]=> Building kde/kdelibs [3.5.2 0].
[16:07] <fake> daja77: anytime!
[16:07] <daja77> ok :)
[16:08] <daja77> fake: i wanted to ask you yesterday, but this sort of date knocked me out
[16:08] <fake> daja77: my fwd# is 612990
[16:08] <daja77> good
[16:09] <daja77> mine is in the wiki, if i get the update done now
[16:13] <daja77> lol i am fighting with disc space problems on / for weeks and just found a complete openoffice sourcetree on it, version 1.1.3
[16:13] <fake> *gg*
[16:16] <fake> asterisk 1.2.6...
[16:17] <fake> channels/chan_sip.c: Issue #6766 - fix ;user=phone functionality.
[16:20] <stf^rocklinux> LINGUAS Config option is added in 2006032916175421556
[16:22] <daja77> args mc sucks
[16:23] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: where is it specified?
[16:23] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: is this standard?
[16:23] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: posix, iirc
[16:24] <netrunner> aha.
[16:25] <th> stf^rocklinux: is it possible to set the LINGUAS variable _empty_ with that patch?
[16:25] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes
[16:25] <th> good
[16:25] <th> it's a bit strange that unsetting and setting it empty is different
[16:26] <fake> so i'll always set LINGUAS="C" ?
[16:26] <th> no
[16:27] <th> you can set it to "de" or to ""
[16:27] <fake> and not LINGUAS="en" ?
[16:27] <fake> is "" = "en" ?
[16:27] <th> "en" is the untranslated form i thought
[16:27] <fake> i thought that's "C"
[16:27] <th> i that the same here? hmm i dont know
[16:28] <stf^rocklinux> the translated form is always included, so no need to specify it
[16:28] <fake> aha.. ? *shakes head* i don't really get it
[16:28] <stf^rocklinux> s/translated/untranslated
[16:28] <fake> aaaah!
[16:28] <fake> okay :)
[16:28] <fake> so id' set LINGUAS=""
[16:29] <th> i think so
[16:29] <stf^rocklinux> and if you set LINGUAS to something, only the specified translations are installed
[16:29] <daja77> ok mediawiki update done
[16:29] <th> if you dont want austrian translation
[16:29] <fake> NO
[16:29] <th> there some things with .at terminology
[16:29] <daja77> btw shall I write mediawiki advisories to bug clifford to do an upgrade?
[16:29] <fake> daja77: is there a mediawiki rock package?
[16:29] <th> would the update fix our display (css) problem with some browsers?
[16:30] <daja77> fake: nope
[16:30] <fake> th: german compiler warnings SUCK
[16:30] <fake> s/warnings/warnings, errors and alike/
[16:30] <daja77> fake: wouldn't make much sense, but the rock page has a version where cross site scripting is possible
[16:31] <fake> so someone could fetch our user's passwords?
[16:32] <daja77> 2006-03-26: 1.5.8 and 1.4.15 fix XSS injection bug
[16:32] <daja77> no real problem description there
[16:32] <fake> it's not like we're doing banking here ;)
[16:33] Action: daja77 greps the mailinglist
[16:35] <daja77> Once XSS has been launched, the attacker can change user settings, hijack accounts, poison cookies with malicious code, expose SSL connections, access restricted sites and even launch false advertisements
[16:47] <daja77> hm i should add a favicon to my page
[16:50] <fake> == 03/29/06 16:50:11 =[5]=> Finished building package kdelibs.
[16:50] <fake> wee
[16:50] <daja77> :)
[16:54] <fake> == 16:53:28 =[5]=> Building kde/kdebase [3.5.2 0].
[16:54] <fake> let's see.
[16:57] <th> how many machines around the world are currently compiling kde?
[16:58] <daja77> wee kde download finished
[17:00] <th> i think we should set ROCKCFG_LINGUAAS="" for crystal to save space
[17:01] <fake> th: ack. also, we should enable "disable locale generation", and remove any i18n packages.
[17:01] <fake> th: (i hope you were kidding and do so, too)
[17:01] <daja77> :D
[17:02] <th> actually i was not kidding.
[17:02] <th> hmm
[17:02] <th> it's an _example_ distribution right?
[17:02] <th> everyone can imagine how a translation would look like
[17:02] <daja77> -.-
[17:02] <fake> localisation is an important feature, it should be tested
[17:03] <th> and so we give some "stimulus" to our users to try to create their own -translated- distribution
[17:03] <daja77> sigh
[17:04] <th> i consider kernel sources and kde:doc more important than LINGUA="de es it fr"
[17:05] <daja77> haven't you said, that we now have enough space for kernel src
[17:06] Action: fake is more for removal of postgresql
[17:07] <fake> we have mysql and postgresql
[17:09] <[raphael]> well, I would like to keep postgresql
[17:09] <fake> in crystal?
[17:09] <[raphael]> probably
[17:09] <[raphael]> it depends on what else is in crystal
[17:09] <fake> nobody's talking about removing the package
[17:09] <[raphael]> that is, what apps are in crystal requiring a database at all?
[17:09] <fake> just disabling it for crystal builds
[17:10] <fake> php.
[17:10] <fake> qt builds mysql bindings if it sees mysql
[17:10] <[raphael]> does it build pgsql bindings as well?
[17:10] <fake> i'm not sure, let me check
[17:10] <fake> (how sick is it to use qt to do database stuff? oh well...)
[17:10] <[raphael]> th, maybe we could provide individual crystal images, one if de, another one with es, and so on
[17:11] <[raphael]> so using only one translation makes it already smaller (I guess)
[17:11] <daja77> ringo: wah no
[17:11] <fake> qt40 does
[17:11] <[raphael]> and those local people are only going to use one language anyway
[17:11] <[raphael]> fake: I use qt to do database stuff
[17:11] <fake> [raphael]: are you a mythtv developer? *sharpening knifes*
[17:11] <fake> knives
[17:12] <[raphael]> fake: I'm afraid I have to dissappoint you...
[17:12] <daja77> *gg*
[17:12] <fake> *disappointed*
[17:13] <daja77> hm i have gcc 3.4.6 in that build now
[17:13] <[raphael]> fake: ... if rock uses best of breed apps in the crystal target then I would certainly like PostgreSQL in there
[17:13] <daja77> hm mine cannot show how much space a package needs
[17:13] <fake> [raphael]: crystal has the 'one solution for a problem' approach
[17:13] <fake> daja77: sure
[17:14] <[raphael]> ah, yes
[17:14] <[raphael]> so, it may even provide the best one, no?  ;)
[17:14] <fake> daja77: mine -p 
[17:14] <daja77> fake: just checked the php deps
[17:14] <daja77> php5: postgresql
[17:14] <daja77> php5: postgresql:dev
[17:14] <th> we have strace and ltrace in bootdisk target?
[17:15] <fake> daja77: grep postgresql /var/adm/depdendencies/* ?
[17:15] <fake> daja77: ;-)
[17:15] <fake> th: yes...
[17:15] <daja77> fake: mine -d ;)
[17:15] <[raphael]> well, at least my personal preference is PostgreSQL, and it is superior to MySQL (except in marketing)
[17:16] <daja77> ah well the description of -p leaves no hint for this ;)
[17:16] <fake> th: i just re-added the security fix for xorg
[17:16] <fake> th: re-renamed
[17:17] <fake> [raphael]: we don't need to argue about that
[17:17] <th> fake: thanks
[17:17] <daja77> Status: Stable,  License: GPL
[17:17] <daja77> frensh translations for KDE
[17:17] <daja77> *shudder*
[17:18] <[raphael]> fake: I didn't mean to argue, sorry if it looked like that
[17:20] <fake> [raphael]: i didn't say we do, i just preemptively agreed with you ;)
[17:21] <[raphael]> ok, oh, well, I'm happy about that (having PostgreSQL in there), thanks
[17:29] <daja77> building again, feels nice
[17:35] <stf^rocklinux> ... the LINGUAS variable is really a feature of gettext and localized packages
[17:36] <fake> == 03/29/06 17:34:12 =[5]=> Finished building package kdebase.
[17:43] <fake> kdeutils just finished
[17:43] <fake> now it's time for kdepim
[17:43] <th> all fine so far?
[17:43] <fake> jep
[17:43] <fake> at least build-time
[17:46] <fake> th: btw, that popup-window that came up when you restarted hal, that was just because hald touched /etc/fstab (kde monitors it)
[17:46] <fake> th: https://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DBUS
[17:46] <fake> th: the new version of hald doesn't do this anymore (thank god)
[17:49] <th> ah ok
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[17:58] <netrunner> fake: fstab-sync was useful under certain circumstances. without kde/gnome e.g. 
[17:58] <netrunner> fake: but now in that case you should use ivman.
[17:59] <fake> netrunner: just read it
[17:59] <fake> netrunner: but the whole mount_option stuff is not needed anymore 
[18:00] <fake> netrunner: so i guess i can remove the .fdi files?
[18:00] <fake> netrunner: (the ones you added in $confdir)
[18:02] <netrunner> fake: have you tried without? I didn't.
[18:06] <fake> netrunner: sure, that patch is without them
[18:06] <fake> netrunner: but i don't get to see hal/dbus actually doing something, anyways
[18:06] <fake> netrunner: just log file entries
[18:09] <netrunner> fake: are you member of plugdev?
[18:09] <fake> netrunner: yes
[18:09] <netrunner> fake: does pmount /dev/new/device work?
[18:09] <fake> fake@localhost:~$ groups
[18:09] <fake> sound fake wheel plugdev
[18:09] <fake> yes
[18:10] <netrunner> fake: does ldd `which pmount` contain libsysfs.so.1 or .2?
[18:10] <fake> libsysfs.so.2
[18:10] <netrunner> is hald/dbus running?
[18:10] <fake> sure
[18:10] <fake> 29       31883  0.1  0.5   6312  5304 ?        Ss   17:57   0:01 /usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes --verbose=yes --use-syslog
[18:10] <netrunner> you have nothing in /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug?
[18:10] <fake> 28       28374  0.0  0.0   1668   648 ?        Ss   17:56   0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system
[18:11] <fake> ack
[18:11] <fake> i also see lots of output from the --verbose=yes hald in /var/log/messages
[18:11] <fake> and udev interacting with it nicely
[18:11] <netrunner> fake: what happens when you go to media:/ in konqueror?
[18:11] <fake> udevd-event[3197]: pass_env_to_socket: passed 255 bytes to socket '/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event',
[18:12] <fake> netrunner: i see the devices in my fstab
[18:12] <netrunner> fake: does your kdebase.log contain the notice that it enabled the hal backend?
[18:13] <fake> netrunner: don't have the log (installed distro), but in kdebase i have kdebase: hal:dev
[18:13] <fake> dependencies/kdebase
[18:14] <netrunner> hm. ... I'll go home now and continue debugging with you from there, because there I have my laptop where it works.
[18:15] <fake> k3b, kdebase and pmount
[18:15] <fake> netrunner: ok, cool
[18:15] <fake> thanks in advance ;)
[18:15] <netrunner> bbl
[18:28] <th> bonnie++ in bootdisk?
[18:30] <fake> th: boot-, install- and rescue target
[18:30] <th> oha
[18:30] <th> yea of course ;)
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[18:36] <fake> = 03/29/06 18:37:53 =[5]=> Finished building package kdepim.
[18:36] <fake> wee
[18:37] <fake> hrmpf
[18:37] <fake> hecking sasl/sasl.h usability... no
[18:37] <fake> checking sasl/sasl.h presence... no
[18:37] <fake> checking for sasl/sasl.h... no
[18:38] <fake> cyrus-sasl 2 library is missing. The sieve ioslave will not be built, and imap4 will lack of a lot of authentication methods.
[18:38] <fake> You are missing gpgme 0.4.5 or higher.
[18:38] <fake> Gpgme will be built statically from libkdenetwork/libgpgme-copy.
[18:38] <fake> If you are a packager, we most strongly recommend to build against
[18:38] <fake> the system's shared gpgme.
[18:38] <fake> (that's a livecd build...)
[18:39] <fake> i guess the package selection is just missing the packages
[18:39] <netrunner> re
[18:41] <fake> netrunner: re
[18:42] <th> so why is this sasl issue again?
[18:42] <th> package selection issue on livecd?
[18:42] <fake> th: just checking...
[18:42] <fake> th: yes.
[18:43] <fake> also the gpgme thing
[18:43] <fake> i'll add both to misc/pkgsel/sets/kde-desktop.in
[18:43] <fake> though i won't re-build kdepim now, it would take too long
[18:51] <fake> kdegames finished
[18:55] <netrunner> why is the sysfiles package not versioned? how are you supposed to update them?
[19:06] <netrunner> fake: do you have a link in /etc/hal/device.d/ to pmount?
[19:07] <fake> netrunner: there is no /etc/hal/device.d here
[19:07] <fake> netrunner: should it be created by the .conf file?
[19:07] <fake> netrunner: and: do you mean pmount or pmount-hal ?
[19:08] <netrunner> pmount-hal
[19:08] <fake> now i have it, called 60-pmount.hal
[19:09] <netrunner> you created it?
[19:09] <fake> yes
[19:09] <netrunner> hm. see if it helps :) maybe restart hal or so...
[19:09] <fake> i did. nothing changed.
[19:10] <netrunner> hm.
[19:11] <fake> when i call the directory devices.d, my floppy seeks on hal restart
[19:12] <fake> hm
[19:12] <fake> it also does with device.d
[19:17] <netrunner> fake: I am trying to install hal/dbus stuff on a third pc here to see what might be the issua
[19:17] <netrunner> s/a$/e/
[19:18] <fake> netrunner: cool
[19:33] <netrunner> stupid autofs/nfs :(
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[19:40] <fake> netrunner: beat me
[19:40] <fake> netrunner: beat me really hard
[19:40] <fake> netrunner: i just found control panel -> peripherals -> storage media
[19:41] <fake> netrunner: the first point 'Enable HAL backend' is checked and greyed out
[19:41] <fake> netrunner: the text after it is '(No support for HAL on this sytem)'
[19:41] <fake> *system
[19:43] <netrunner> fake: so probably it was not build before kdebase?
[19:43] <fake> seems likely
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[19:44] <fake> but it should, kdebase is 166.700, whereas hal is 140.500
[19:44] <netrunner> fake: who built the system you use?
[19:45] <fake> netrunner: that would be me -_-
[19:45] <fake> netrunner: current trunk with glibc24
[19:49] <netrunner> fake: so, have you tried reading kdebase.log?
[19:51] <netrunner> hm, for some reason udevd terminates during boot
[19:53] <fake> netrunner: i don't have the .log files anymore
[19:53] <fake> netrunner: i wiped the disk after the build, and reinstalled
[19:54] <fake> netrunner: @udevd: what do you mean with 'terminate' ?
[19:57] <netrunner> fake: well, it's not running after boot
[19:57] <fake> netrunner: what system?
[19:57] <netrunner> fake: a bit older boot where I just updated udev/sysfiles/hal/dbus/pmount/sysfsutils
[19:58] <netrunner> and added rockinitrd and used the initrdnew for boot.
[19:58] <fake> netrunner: you did run mkinitrd?
[19:59] <netrunner> yes yes. it's not the initrd.
[19:59] <fake> netrunner: you'll have to adopt /boot/grub/grub.cfg, it's got to be 'root=/dev/ram0'
[19:59] <netrunner> ah.
[19:59] <netrunner> maybe that.
[19:59] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: what's in your /dev dir?
[19:59] <fake> your system's fstab is copied by mkinitrd, and that is used to find your root device.
[20:01] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: nevermind, if you updated both udev and sysfiles, you shouldn't have the problem I thought of...
[20:01] <netrunner> fake: any other parameter?
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[20:01] <fake> netrunner: anything you like, it's passed on
[20:02] <fake> netrunner: but nothing else is needed
[20:03] <netrunner> rebooting again.
[20:03] <netrunner> fake: so I'd say your kdebase is missing hal support ...
[20:03] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: don't be ashamed, just continue throwing in useless comments ;)
[20:05] <netrunner> fake: now I see 3 times "attempt to access beyond end of device", ram0: rw=0, want=14340, limit=8192, and then kernel panic no init found
[20:06] Action: daja77 beats fake hard
[20:06] Action: netrunner trying ramdisk_size=8192
[20:07] <netrunner> size error gone, still no init found
[20:07] Action: netrunner trying init=/linuxrc
[20:07] <fake> netrunner: no
[20:08] <fake> netrunner: that won't help
[20:08] <netrunner> no, doesn't :)
[20:08] <fake> netrunner: the initrd is (at least - should be) a cramfs now
[20:08] <netrunner> fake: enlighten me! :)
[20:08] <netrunner> fake: does it work with a 2.6.12.5?
[20:08] <fake> i don't see why it shouldn't - as long as you have cramfs support in your kernel (which is enabled by default for rock)
[20:09] <fake> you can also try to build an initramfs
[20:09] <fake> see mkinitrd.sh
[20:10] <netrunner> fake: you don't know what could be the error?
[20:10] <netrunner> effect seems to be it does not execute the linuxrc ...
[20:10] <fake> there is no linuxrc - there is /sbin/init
[20:10] <netrunner> on the initrd?
[20:10] <fake> yes.
[20:10] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: you could loop-mount the initrd to see if it really contains init, libraries, etc..
[20:10] <netrunner> what is /etc/conf/initrd/linuxrc for?
[20:11] <fake> the process we start there needs to be PID 1 so we can exec /sbin/init on the real system afterwards.
[20:11] <fake> netrunner: it should be called /etc/conf/initrd/init
[20:11] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: it does something when not saying root=/dev/ram0
[20:11] <fake> netrunner: are you sure you updated rockinitrd to the version in trunk?
[20:12] <netrunner> fake: no I did not
[20:12] <fake> you should ...
[20:15] <netrunner> my /proc/filesystems does not contain cramfs
[20:16] <fake> that's not good.
[20:16] Action: netrunner copying another kernel there...
[20:17] <netrunner> does mkinitrdnew work with different kernel?
[20:18] <fake> netrunner: it should be called mkinitrd !
[20:18] <fake> netrunner: mkinitrdnew is dead since ages
[20:19] <fake> it does, just call it with mkinitrd <kernel-version-string>
[20:19] <fake> so, i.e. mkinitred 2.6.15.6-rock
[20:19] <fake> or something
[20:19] <netrunner> fake: shut up, the mkinitrdnew should also work :)
[20:19] <fake> netrunner: it won't
[20:19] <netrunner> fake: it works on my notebook just fine
[20:19] <fake> netrunner: mkinitrdnew creates an unusable initrd.
[20:20] <netrunner> fake: so why am I using it?
[20:20] <fake> at least if it is a leftover from an Emerge-Pkg
[20:20] <fake> netrunner: because a) you are using old packages or b) because Emerge-Pkg didn't delete it when you Emerged the new rockinitrd.
[20:21] <netrunner> fake: I don't use emerge-pkg. I build on my build server and install the gem
[20:21] <fake> netrunner: still, if a file is no longer in the package, nothing happens
[20:22] <fake> netrunner: could you please check the flist of the rockinitrd package you just installed?
[20:22] <fake> netrunner: if it ships mkinitrdnew, i urge you to upgrade to the trunk version
[20:23] <netrunner> argl. I wanted to use my build server to play counterstrike now :/
[20:25] Action: netrunner running sm recreate
[20:27] <fake> netrunner: build server are for building ;)
[20:27] <fake> *servers
[20:36] <netrunner> playing high performance prß0n they should.
[20:51] <fake> x264 full hdtv pr0n ?
[20:51] <fake> ;-)
[20:51] Action: fake now removing the ?000 EUR telephony system from our rack
[20:58] <netrunner> should I use initrd.img or initrd.img.gz
[20:58] <netrunner> which is 4K smaller 
[20:58] <netrunner> and also in /boot
[20:59] <netrunner> reboot ...
[21:04] <netrunner> hm, boot fails with /lib/udev/devices/*: no such file or directory
[21:04] <netrunner> loading kernel modules
[21:04] <netrunner> /etc/conf/kernel: no such ifle or ...
[21:05] <netrunner> /dev/fd/62: no such ...
[21:05] <netrunner> and a few more
[21:08] <netrunner> fake: is it expected to work?
[21:08] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: initrd.img.gz is the gzipped initrd.img
[21:09] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: your udev package should contain /lib/udev/devices/ which is copied to the initrd
[21:09] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: by mkinitrd
[21:10] <netrunner> let's see if I need an even newer udev
[21:10] <netrunner> 5
[21:10] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: afaik mkinitrd currently cannot create initrds in initramfs format
[21:10] <netrunner> hm, 81->88
[21:16] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: somehow you are missing essential devices on your initrd (lib/udev/devices/...)
[21:17] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: at least mkinitrd from the test-releases work fine here
[21:17] <daja77> re
[21:20] <daja77> fake: ?
[21:29] <netrunner> mkinitrd takes half an hour to complete
[21:33] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: what sense does it make to compress it just to gain 4K of 16M?
[21:33] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: and then leaving both files there ...
[21:34] <netrunner> ah, now it boots
[21:36] <netrunner> wow, good :)
[21:37] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: the uncompressed image is esp. for debugging, and the gain is low only for cramfs images
[21:49] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: if it's only for debugging it should be removed when the compressed version was created.
[21:50] Action: netrunner is happy to see that all patches in submaster apply to trunk :)
[21:53] <netrunner> creation of initrd takes way to long. what the hell is it doing?
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[21:59] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: one thing it does is check binaries for required shared libraries
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[22:06] <stf^rocklinux> I've added import packages for all KDE/Koffice translations in 2006032921595015140
[22:06] <stf^rocklinux> 93 packages altogether :)
[22:07] <stf^rocklinux> 93 package forks, that is
[22:10] <netrunner> kudos :)
[22:10] <netrunner> but ... do we need them?
[22:13] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: well, it's a 'nice to have', and translations for languages in ROCKCFG_LINGUAS are enabled by default
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