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[10:50] Nick change: ija_ -> ija [11:04] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [11:13] <blindcoder> moin [11:37] <owl> moin [15:04] mnemoc (n=amery@200.73.88.2) joined #rocklinux. [15:13] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) joined #rocklinux. [16:05] mnemoc (n=amery@200.73.88.2) left irc: "leaving" [16:06] mnemoc (n=amery@200.73.88.2) joined #rocklinux. [16:43] <fake> moin [16:43] <daja77_> hi fake [16:46] <th> moin [16:47] <[raphael]> moin [16:49] <fake> th: i'm currently doing test buils with almost all patches in sm [16:49] <fake> https://f4k3.net/~fake/journal.txt [16:50] <fake> one crystal + bootdisk and one generic with stage 9 to get the priorities straight [16:50] <fake> Error logs from crystal-TRUNK-x86-pentium-mmx-32-crystal-expert: [16:50] <fake> 340 builds total, 319 completed fine, 0 with errors. [16:51] <fake> Error logs from general-TRUNK-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert: [16:51] <fake> 3225 builds total, 535 completed fine, 18 with errors. [16:51] <fake> mostly stuff stf^rocklinux had in his mail [16:51] <fake> though modplug-xmms needs to be priority-adjusted, now that the xmms plugin is actually built, it should build *after* xmms ;-)) [16:52] <fake> th: btw, that url above, that's the file you get when you use -a journal.txt as additional parameter in smap.cfg [17:07] <fake> damn [17:08] <fake> there's a new mail delivery guy at my parent's place, and he doesn't know that mail for me (i have a different surname) is supposed to get to them [17:09] <fake> now my mom is wondering why her DSL doesn't work anymore - it was registered to my name ... [17:09] <fake> they cut the line 4:30 this morning [17:09] <fake> she is also wondering, why she didn't get any invoices anymore since january ;) [17:14] <th> heh [17:30] <fake> https://freshmeat.net/articles/view/2140/ [17:31] <fake> omg: https://slashdot.org/ [17:32] <daja77_> yeah saw that .. [17:35] <blindcoder> did I miss something today? [17:35] <fake> blindcoder: noooo [17:35] <blindcoder> oh, first of april... yeah, there was that [17:36] <fake> anybody seen the RFC yet? [17:36] <blindcoder> guess that means that noone will believe me that I'll hang out with two cute girls yesterday evening, all day today and will again do so tonight after I had something to eat and some sleep [17:37] <blindcoder> anyway, see you tomorrow [17:42] <fake> blindcoder: spozerl and? [17:42] <fake> th: i have been wondering, why don't we use the [M]aintainer tag to determine required votes? [17:43] <th> good question [17:43] <daja77_> lots of them are outdated [17:43] <th> that would make the base-moving unnecessary [17:44] <fake> th: btw, qca should i.e. not be moved to base but to kde/ [17:44] <fake> err, to x11/ [17:45] <fake> because qt is in x11 and qca is a plugin/provider for qt [17:45] <th> ok [17:46] <th> fake: btw - would you commit the plugdev group? [17:47] <fake> th: as part of pmount? [17:48] <th> i've not looked into the details [17:48] <th> but if it only relates to pmount - so yes. [17:49] <fake> hmm [17:49] Action: fake just grepped for plugdev in pmount src, no match [17:49] <th> hal perhaps [17:50] <fake> hm [17:50] <fake> hal mentions it in a TODO file [17:50] <fake> but it's not in dbus either [17:51] <fake> though it's somewhat pmount specific [17:51] <th> grepping.. [17:53] <fake> hmmm [17:53] <fake> seems like udev [17:54] <fake> no [17:54] <fake> grml [17:54] <fake> i'll create it in pmount [17:54] <fake> https://ftp.qilinux.it/devel/SPECS/pmount.spec [17:55] <fake> %define plugdev_gid 29 [17:55] <th> the id is specified? [17:56] <fake> th: th: i think that's dist-specific [17:56] <fake> ha! [17:56] <fake> messagebus and haldaemon are not entered in Documentation/Developers/README! [17:56] <fake> err, REGISTER [17:57] Action: fake slaps netrunner with a trout [17:57] <th> netrunner: you stink like fish [17:57] <fake> bitlbee 28 [17:57] <fake> ARRGH! [17:57] <fake> we have a dubly defined ID!! [17:57] <th> nice [17:57] Action: fake slaps netrunner with a whale [17:58] <th> which one? [17:58] <fake> the big ones, humpback whale, iirc [17:58] <th> which ID [17:58] <fake> 28 [17:58] <th> clown! [17:58] <th> i only see it for bitlbee [17:58] <fake> bitlbee == messagebus [17:59] <th> messagebus is not in registry [17:59] <fake> messagebus (dbus) and haldaemon (hal) are not in REGISTRY [17:59] <th> so it's not defined [17:59] <fake> th: but they are created. [17:59] <fake> see getent group messagebus [18:00] <fake> BitlBee: An IRC to other chat networks gateway [18:00] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-303d80d16b581bea) left irc: K-lined [18:00] <fake> i'd say we move bitlbee [18:00] <fake> can we do that? [18:01] <fake> i mean, if someone has bitlbee running.. and upgrades sysfiles... [18:01] <th> i use bitlbee daily [18:02] <th> ivman [18:03] <th> [I] A flexible userspace HAL front-end for Linux. [18:03] <fake> ivman? [18:03] <th> /usr/src/rock-src/package/avm/ivman/postsysfiles.in:safe_groupadd plugdev 32 [18:03] <th> safe_groupadd plugdev 32 [18:03] <th> safe_useradd ivman 32 32 "ivman user" / /bin/false "*" [18:03] <fake> narf. that's wrong, it belongs into pmount. ivman uses pmount. [18:04] Action: th hands fake another whale [18:04] <fake> but ivman is in REGISTER... [18:04] <th> uid=1004(bitlbee) gid=1004(bitlbee) groups=1004(bitlbee) [18:04] <fake> but the group is called ivman there, not plugdev [18:04] <th> 18:06:14 < th> safe_groupadd plugdev 32 [18:05] <fake> th: yeah, but in REGISTER it's state 32 = ivman [18:05] <th> yea [18:05] <th> even for the group [18:05] <th> so we know the gid [18:05] <th> do we need a ivman user? [18:05] <th> doesn't matter [18:06] <fake> i don't care, it's not base [18:07] <th> you mean it's not core ;) [18:07] <fake> th: so i move the messagebus and haldaemon to, say, 50 and 51 [18:08] <fake> th: and pmount to 52 ? [18:08] <fake> th: *douh*, sure [18:08] <th> i dont really care [18:08] <fake> postsysfiles.in should be handeled like config.in in the smng [18:08] <fake> they need a lookover [18:13] <th> yea [18:20] <fake> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006040118194000782 [18:23] SteffenP (i=steffen@p54994B7B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [18:24] Action: fake relocating [18:26] <fake> uuuh, kaffeine failed with my journal because cdparanoia isn't cored [18:47] stf^rocklinux (n=user@heim-033-48.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:23] stf^rocklinux (n=root@heim-033-48.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #rocklinux. [19:41] feistel (n=feistel@200.125.101.160) joined #rocklinux. [19:48] <netrunner> fake: I sent a patch once to add them to REGISTER, I am sure. [19:51] <th> vlc seems to have no desktop file [19:52] <th> mplayer is in the menus but not in multimedia category [19:57] Action: netrunner really wonders what happened to the registration ... I especially sent a patch for this after being asked for. [19:59] <fake> netrunner: np, it's fixed now [20:00] Action: netrunner removing stinking fish from his forehead and throws it back to the river [20:02] <fake> (where it floats beely-up) [20:02] <fake> *belly [20:03] <stf^rocklinux> hi all [20:03] <fake> stf^rocklinux: hi ;) [20:04] Action: netrunner trying to bake buchteln [20:04] <stf^rocklinux> fake: is udev device file creation fixed in trunk? [20:04] <fake> stf^rocklinux: hum? more details, please [20:04] <stf^rocklinux> fake: e.g. /dev/hda (I'm using test build r7368 atm) [20:05] <fake> stf^rocklinux: what about hda ? [20:05] <th> there was a problem? [20:05] <fake> root@localhost:~# ls -la /dev/hda [20:05] <fake> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Apr 1 2006 /dev/hda -> ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc [20:05] <stf^rocklinux> fake: all /dev/hda* files here point to some strange files [20:05] <fake> strange like /dev/ide/... ? [20:05] <stf^rocklinux> ls /dev/hda -l [20:05] <stf^rocklinux> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2006-04-02 20:43 /dev/hda -> Tj__Ä?__________ [20:06] <stf^rocklinux> ls /dev/Tj* -l [20:06] <stf^rocklinux> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 0 2006-04-02 20:43 /dev/Tj__Ä?__________ [20:06] <stf^rocklinux> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 7 2006-04-02 20:43 /dev/Tj__Ä?__________H___10____á_________t [20:06] <th> outch [20:06] <fake> oerks! [20:06] <fake> aiaiai [20:07] <fake> how can that happen? [20:07] <th> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 Apr 1 19:12 hda -> ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd [20:07] <th> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Apr 1 19:12 hdc -> ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/disc [20:07] <th> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Apr 1 19:12 hdc1 -> ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part1 [20:07] <th> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 Apr 1 19:12 hdc2 -> ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part2 [20:08] <stf^rocklinux> fake: no idea. all hda? point to the same (root) partition... [20:08] <fake> stf^rocklinux: can you run /lib/udev/ide-devfs.sh 0:0:0:0 0 [20:09] <fake> stf^rocklinux: it should output: ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part discs/disc0/part [20:09] <fake> (that's wrong input, but in you case, i bet it's totaly crippled) [20:09] <stf^rocklinux> bash-2.05b# /lib/udev/ide-devfs.sh 0:0:0:0:0 [20:09] <stf^rocklinux> ide/host-1/bus1/target/lun0/part discs/disc0/part [20:09] <fake> you're missing a 0 at the end [20:09] <stf^rocklinux> ok [20:10] <stf^rocklinux> ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part discs/disc0/part [20:10] <fake> weird [20:10] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I boot without initrd... [20:10] <fake> you didn't by chance do anything weird related to utf-8 or so? [20:11] <stf^rocklinux> fake: it's a clean installation, with the same kind of settings I normally use [20:11] <fake> stf^rocklinux: generic or crystal ? [20:12] <stf^rocklinux> fake: crystal-r7368 test release [20:12] <fake> hey cool, just update my motherboards bios, now i can boot without "pci=noacpi acpi=off routeirq" [20:12] <fake> stf^rocklinux: the one from th? 20060331 ? [20:13] <stf^rocklinux> fake: no the one before that [20:13] <fake> stf^rocklinux: hmm [20:13] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I'll install 20060331 on monday or so [20:14] <fake> stf^rocklinux: please check if you can reproduce it there - haven't seen this so far [20:16] <th> stf^rocklinux: what? that was a binary install from crystal-r7368 iso? [20:18] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes [20:19] <th> stf^rocklinux: was there some magic attached? [20:19] <stf^rocklinux> th: I'm booting without initrd, though [20:19] <th> hmm [20:19] <th> w/o initrd. hmmm [20:19] <th> which means bootstrapping /dev later [20:19] <fake> th: regarding /proc/config.gz: there actually is /boot/kconfig_$treever [20:19] <stf^rocklinux> th: I didn't install from the boot-CD, but from HD [20:23] <th> fake: doesn't matter [20:27] <fake> th: just because you and i agreed it would be useful. it's there. [20:28] <th> fake: no. i need it in kernel ;) [20:30] <th> stf^rocklinux: did you use theinstaller at all? [20:32] <stf^rocklinux> th: no, only mine, postinstall and stone [20:32] <th> stf^rocklinux: that's how i installed all rocks some months ago. [20:32] <th> hmm [20:35] Action: fake using the installer [20:35] <th> same here. and i curse everytime about another glitch [20:36] <th> the best thing was my `root (hd0,34)` in grub.cfg last time. [20:41] Action: fake off to get some food now [20:41] <fake> asian, yummy ;) [20:41] <th> send some [20:44] <stf^rocklinux> I'll be afk until tomorrow evening, cya [20:44] <th> bye [20:47] <fake> i get the same /dev/sda* weirdness if i boot without initrd [20:47] <fake> i'll look into it later [20:47] stf^rocklinux (n=root@heim-033-48.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:48] <th> that's bad [20:48] <th> i've always been the biggest fan of booting without initrd [21:08] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [21:16] feistel (n=feistel@200.125.101.160) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:21] markuman (n=markuman@dslb-084-063-164-021.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:08] <fake> hrm [23:09] <fake> initrd extends beyond end of memory (... > 0x38000000) [23:09] <fake> initrd disabled [23:10] <th> is that qemu? [23:10] <th> fake? [23:14] SteffenP (i=steffen@p54994B7B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:44] <netrunner> pop3.cc:87: error: `SASL_CB_CANON_USER' was not declared in this scope [23:44] <netrunner> have I missed something related to sasl and kde= [23:44] <netrunner> ? [23:58] <fake> wohhoo... [23:58] <fake> th: no, on my amd64 with your latest iso [23:59] <th> model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+ [23:59] <th> would that qualify for this hardware description of yours? [23:59] <fake> th: if you don't use an initrd, and enable 'debug' log in udev.conf, you'll notice it starts about 512000 processes. at least i stopped counting after the processids got lower again for the 8th time. [23:59] <fake> th: 3700+ in my case [23:59] <fake> th: with sata_nv as boot/root disk [00:00] --- Sun Apr 2 2006