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[00:13] <daja77> fake: but possibly the right permissions are not set [03:05] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-105-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [03:14] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-103-200.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:14] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [03:49] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:50] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-054030220041ec71) joined #rocklinux. [07:10] <blindcoder> moin [10:14] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:18] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/external/x-1e7ace46575be5c1) joined #rocklinux. [11:01] esdentem (n=esdentem@p54979EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [11:04] <esdentem> moin [11:11] <blindcoder> moin moin esdentem [11:15] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux, th, fake: how usable is livecd? [11:19] <th> never tried [11:20] <blindcoder> th: We just got new Laptop models with network devices that don't work with a 2.6.12 kernel [11:20] <blindcoder> th: now I'm hopeful that they will with a recent kernel, so I need a new livecd [12:38] <blindcoder> th: any testbuild runnig currently? [12:38] <th> no [12:41] <stf^rocklinux> moin [12:41] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: livecd can start KDE here, it's quite usable. [12:41] <blindcoder> th: could you try the fooplug removal patch? [12:41] <blindcoder> th: I think I got all the references [12:42] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: which build? [12:42] <stf^rocklinux> rev. 7663 [12:42] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: nice [12:42] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: got the iso lying around somewhere? [12:42] <stf^rocklinux> mom [12:44] <blindcoder> th: or want me to put together a journal to test? [12:46] <th> blindcoder: if you do that i'd just start a build with it [12:49] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: my livecd build is actually rev. 7663 with 2006061412483621974 [12:50] <stf^rocklinux> ( the /proc/bus/usb mount ) [12:50] <blindcoder> th: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/index.websplb?mode=journal&id=18 [12:50] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: I added that patch to the above mentioned journal [12:57] <th> interesting. now we are releaving the feature freeze? [12:58] <stf^rocklinux> imo we shouldn't... [12:59] <blindcoder> what classifies as a feature in there? [12:59] <blindcoder> 2006061314145125709? [13:00] <stf^rocklinux> udev & linux update [13:00] <blindcoder> ah, that's a feature? [13:01] <stf^rocklinux> it's an update, and updates tend to introduce new bugs (although linux should be pretty harmless) [13:02] <blindcoder> in that case: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/index.websplb?mode=journal&id=19 [13:03] <stf^rocklinux> I wonder if hotplug/hwscan are useful to linux24 kernels in any way. If yes we shouldn't remove them before we drop linux24. [13:03] Action: blindcoder searches the mailing list for a feature freeze announcement [13:04] <blindcoder> in vain [13:05] <blindcoder> th, fake, clifford: anyone care to write a feature freeze announcement to the mailing lists? [13:05] <esdentem> *sigh* [13:05] <blindcoder> th, fake, clifford: with a bit of information about what kind of patches will be applied and what kind won't? [13:05] <blindcoder> esdentem: ? [13:06] Action: esdentem implementing rsa decription on a 16bit 10MHz microcontroller ... *sigh* I really ask myself how many years it will need to decrypt one single data chunk [13:06] <blindcoder> esdentem: why are you doing that? [13:06] <esdentem> we need it here ;) [13:06] <th> the feature freeze idea was not mine. [13:06] <th> i was just asking [13:06] <blindcoder> th: whose was it then? [13:07] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: mine. [13:07] <th> dunno [13:07] <th> ah yes [13:07] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: okay, so you write something up and th/fake/clifford sign it [13:07] <esdentem> humm .. it would be so nice if I had several hundred kilobytes of memory on that chip ... then I could use libopenssl ;) [13:07] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: because then I can try to do some PR work and drag attention to an impending release [13:08] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: if we keep adding updates, we'll never come to a release, that was my main point. [13:08] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: and an IRC log of someone who isn't formally part of the Higher Poobahs of ROCK isn't something I can base PR work on [13:09] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: ok, I'll think of something [13:09] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: also, micro releases of the kernel usually fix broken stuff only [13:09] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: so they probably count as bugfixes [13:09] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: that'll be great! [13:10] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: some recent linux releases have introduced new features as well, only some were single bug/security fixes. [13:11] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: even micro releases? (fourth number)? [13:12] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: IIRC yes, see e.g. the Changelogs. Btw. would you like to download my livecd build? [13:13] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: of course I would! why isn't it on iso.rocklinux.de? [13:13] <stf^rocklinux> I don't have an account :( [13:13] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: th has [13:13] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: and th only [13:14] <stf^rocklinux> so he'd have to upload it for me [13:14] <blindcoder> just ping him, he'll do [13:15] <blindcoder> I'd just need it by tomorrow [13:15] <blindcoder> anyway, back to work [13:15] <blindcoder> looking forward to an announcement signed by th, fake or clifford [13:15] <th> what announcement? [13:15] <stf^rocklinux> feature freeze.. [13:16] <th> we could start with an "development shot r7663" [13:21] <stf^rocklinux> I'd prefer calling r7663 a pre-release [13:27] <stf^rocklinux> anyway. th could you please upload the livecd for me? [13:28] <stf^rocklinux> I have a ssh login ready for this... [13:32] <stf^rocklinux> or fake, could you upload my livecd build? [14:22] esdentem_ (n=esdentem@p5497B269.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [14:39] esdentem (n=esdentem@p54979EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:14] <th> stf^rocklinux: sure [15:15] <th> stf^rocklinux: https://thzn.de/ssh-keys [15:21] <blindcoder> re [15:26] <blindcoder> so, where's my announcement? :( [15:29] <stf^rocklinux> not done yet... [15:39] <blindcoder> okay, then I'm going to pick my car up at the garage first [15:39] <blindcoder> bblr [17:55] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@tor/session/external/x-3853c3e933161643) joined #rocklinux. [17:56] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:21] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [18:34] esdentem_ (n=esdentem@p5497B269.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Get MacIrssi - https://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/" [19:44] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: please take a look at the updated https://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Mission_Statement [19:44] <stf^rocklinux> esp. at bottom of the page [19:49] <stf^rocklinux> I've added a few lines about releases. [19:51] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: maybe "that contain not only bug fixes" [19:58] <stf^rocklinux> hmm, double negation, sound strange [19:59] <stf^rocklinux> s/sound/sounds [19:59] <blindcoder> 'package updates will only be applied if they just contain bug fixes' [19:59] <stf^rocklinux> maybe "... updates that add new features are generally not applied, ..." [20:00] <stf^rocklinux> if they contain security fixes, they'll be applied too... [20:01] <blindcoder> sure [21:04] <stf^rocklinux> * The installed or updated system is booted, [21:05] <stf^rocklinux> err, I mean I've added another version of the feature freeze description here https://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Mission_Statement [21:06] <stf^rocklinux> hehe, built kdelibs 3.5.3 with X11R7.1 [21:49] daja77_ (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-045-183.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [22:00] daja77 (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-048-194.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:08] Nick change: mnemoc -> __mnemoc [23:43] Nick change: __mnemoc -> mnemoc [00:00] --- Thu Jun 15 2006