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[00:15] daja77_ (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-032-165.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:21] daja77 (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-032-226.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [00:22] little_sweet (n=mimak@80.74.172.128) joined #rocklinux. [00:22] little_sweet (n=mimak@80.74.172.128) left #rocklinux. [00:24] elon` (n=zub@host8.zwelf.net) joined #rocklinux. [00:47] <elon`> Hi, anybody in ? [00:47] <elon`> (thats willing to help me a bit) [00:47] <elon`> who's (of course) [00:50] <daja77> hm? [00:52] <elon`> hi [00:52] <elon`> german ? [00:53] <daja77> well english is preferred in this chan, but i can do german too [00:53] <elon`> as you like... [00:53] <elon`> eng.. [00:54] <mnemoc> daja77: really? [00:54] <daja77> mnemoc: not for you :O [00:54] <mnemoc> daja77: :) [00:55] <elon`> O.o [00:55] <daja77> you still haven't asked [00:55] <elon`> ok.. could one tell me how to make the initrd image for rock [00:56] <elon`> newest crystal release [00:56] <daja77> stone should do that .. [00:56] <elon`> the problem is that i can't mount my dm-crypted file system [00:56] <elon`> so stone wont proceed with the install [00:57] <daja77> hm for the crypto stuff ask blindcod1r [00:57] <elon`> ok.. tnx [00:58] <daja77> so i am off now [00:58] <elon`> cu [01:22] <elon`> off.. [01:22] elon` (n=zub@host8.zwelf.net) left irc: [07:45] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [07:47] <blindcoder> moin [07:55] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: I wonder if the textual interpretation is still necessary with the new official wording [07:55] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: I guess it'd be better to integrate them into one [07:55] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: they're very close now anyway [07:56] <blindcoder> HUH? [07:56] <blindcoder> root@ceres:~/trunk# ./scripts/Create-ErrList [07:56] <blindcoder> Error logs from default-TRUNK-x86-lvp: [07:56] <blindcoder> 100 builds total, 100 completed fine, 0 with errors. [07:56] <blindcoder> root@ceres:~/trunk# ll build/default-TRUNK-x86-lvp/var/adm/logs/*err [07:56] <blindcoder> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 88466 Jun 20 23:48 build/default-TRUNK-x86-lvp/var/adm/logs/5-linux26.err [08:32] <blindcoder> YAY [08:32] <blindcoder> linux26 now needs file [08:51] <stf^rocklinux> moin [08:52] <blindcoder> moin moin [08:53] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: I assume that the official wording can/will be adapted over time, so the section for textual interpretations is still useful... [08:54] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: yes, but not right now, really. it's mostly the same and integrating the changes into the official wording would help avoiding confusion [08:56] <stf^rocklinux> I agree. I suggest to send the interpretation to rock-devel for discussion, and apply it if there are no objections. [08:57] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: there hasn't been any discussion besides between the two of us [08:58] <blindcoder> ah, well [08:58] <blindcoder> to keep face [08:58] <stf^rocklinux> still I think it's better to discuss it on rock-devel than elsewhere [08:59] <stf^rocklinux> I just don't want to 'overrun' anybody with this... [09:03] <blindcoder> sent [09:08] <th> official wording? [09:08] <th> what official wording? [09:08] <th> base/isdn4k-utils fails [09:09] <th> /bin/sh: line 1: aclocal-1.7: command not found [09:09] <th> stf^rocklinux: that's your bdb/automake patch... [09:09] <stf^rocklinux> btw. discussing different wordings is easier via email imo. And we should discuss the rules for feature freeze, basic packages and third party software, too. [09:09] <stf^rocklinux> th: seems so. [09:13] <blindcoder> does anyone of the people responsible for adding patches ACTUALLY READ THE FUCKING WIKI/DOCUMENTATION? [09:13] <blindcoder> why don't we just shutdown the websites/mailinglists/anythingbutsubmasterandsubversion [09:14] <blindcoder> seems like noone that matters actually cares anyway [09:14] <blindcoder> argh [09:14] <blindcoder> bbl [09:14] <stf^rocklinux> what's wrong? [09:17] <th> "responsible for adding patches"? [09:17] <stf^rocklinux> th: maybe it helps if you change the line: [09:17] <th> whom your talking bout? [09:17] <stf^rocklinux> +am__api_version="1.7" [09:17] <stf^rocklinux> in capi+autoconf.patch [09:17] <th> stf^rocklinux: what file are you talking about? [09:18] <th> ok [09:18] <th> giving it a try [09:18] <stf^rocklinux> note there are two of those lines in the .patch [09:18] <th> -am__api_version="1.6" [09:18] <th> +am__api_version="1.7" [09:18] <stf^rocklinux> and one more pair... [09:18] <th> found it [09:18] <th> yes ack. [09:19] <th> so you propose a simple s/7/9/, correct [09:19] <th> ? [09:19] <stf^rocklinux> btw. there's no newer version of this package available, afaics [09:19] <stf^rocklinux> yes [09:20] <th> okay [09:20] <th> lets wait a bit [09:20] <th> currently in the koffice build. [09:20] <th> hmmmm we could use an update there [09:20] <th> btw: 337 builds total, 315 completed fine, 1 with errors. [09:21] <th> so this looks pretty good for the imapct of the journal [09:23] <stf^rocklinux> btw. you could apply my wengophone patch in the meantime :) [09:24] <th> ahh ok [09:25] <stf^rocklinux> hm, it isn't in submaster yet?! [09:25] <th> hmm no. [09:25] <th> no wengo with votecheck=OK [09:28] <stf^rocklinux> grr, this SM errors suck... anyway the patch is in there now. [09:28] <stf^rocklinux> 2006062109263165590 [09:28] <th> Committed revision 7677. [09:28] <stf^rocklinux> thx [09:29] <stf^rocklinux> oh yeah, and please svn rm package/stf/skype ;) [09:30] <stf^rocklinux> should I send a non-patch to SubMaster for deleting skype? [09:30] <th> no - it's only svn-rm [09:31] <th> Committed revision 7678. [09:32] <stf^rocklinux> btw. isdn4k-utils built fine with aclocal-1.9 here. [09:32] <th> with that s/1.7/1.9/ modification, right? [09:33] <stf^rocklinux> yes [09:33] <th> good [09:33] <th> that's an build-time-successfill journal than. [09:33] <th> cool [09:36] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-126-043.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [09:49] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-108-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:49] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [10:23] <th> == 06/21/06 10:18:05 =[5]=> Finished building package isdn4k-utils. [10:45] <stf^rocklinux> btw. kde l10n packages need to be updated too [10:46] <stf^rocklinux> I'll supply a patch for that [11:12] <blindcoder> re [11:30] <th> stf^rocklinux: while you're at it... could do the koffice 1.5.1 update as well? [11:30] <th> and the lang packages of course. [11:30] <th> perhaps we could have use for an update script there [11:30] <th> that should be free of issues [11:31] <th> and is only bugfix [11:31] <stf^rocklinux> already done (there's an import script for kde-i18n and koffice-l10n) [11:31] <th> ok cool [11:31] <stf^rocklinux> th: could you download some of those packages and apply the checksums? [11:31] <stf^rocklinux> i.e. de,es,fr,it,ru [11:32] <th> stf^rocklinux: yes. leave the cksum empty [11:32] <th> stf^rocklinux: i'll take care [11:32] <th> empty:=0 [11:34] <stf^rocklinux> ok, I've already added checksums for kde-i18n-{de,es,fr,it,ru} [11:36] <stf^rocklinux> 2006062111352055110 and 2006062111353055160 [11:36] <th> ok - will use these later [13:37] Pilot (n=pilot@212.48.133.193) joined #rocklinux. [13:37] <Pilot> j #fedora-devel [13:37] <Pilot> oops [13:37] Pilot (n=pilot@212.48.133.193) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:53] <blindcoder> tststs [13:59] <th> crystal-th20060620.iso is uploading [13:59] <blindcoder> \o/ [14:25] <th> https://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/unofficial/teha/th20060620/crystal-th20060620_cd1.iso [14:25] <th> wait [14:25] <th> https://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/unofficial/teha/th20060620/crystal-th20060620.iso [14:26] <th> that's better [16:34] ija (n=ija@84.19.223.185) got netsplit. [16:34] ija (n=ija@84.19.223.185) returned to #rocklinux. [17:04] ripclaw (n=DE43741@blueice3n1.de.ibm.com) joined #rocklinux. [17:09] <ripclaw> helo [17:09] <daja77> moin ripclaw [17:09] <daja77> please don't write dots [17:09] <ripclaw> ? [17:10] <daja77> stuff like that [17:10] <daja77> 17:31 < ripclaw> . [17:10] <ripclaw> i have some very minimalistic clients, sometimes it is not clear if it crashed, or still runs - unless i send a dot to see if it still wokrs [17:11] <ripclaw> does that mess up something ? [17:13] <daja77> well not technically, but it sucks somehow ;) [17:13] <daja77> ok if someone googles for . he'll probably find us ^^ [17:20] <ripclaw> :D [17:21] <blindcoder> ripclaw: stop using ii, get yourself some irssi :P [17:21] <daja77> hi blindcoder [17:22] <blindcoder> moin daja77 [17:22] <daja77> :) [17:22] <ripclaw> hi blindcoder - i use tinyirc on winblows [17:22] <ripclaw> and yes, i am forzed here by corporate policycrap [17:23] <daja77> hm try xchat [17:23] <blindcoder> ripclaw: well, at work I also have windows [17:23] <blindcoder> ripclaw: doesn't stop me from ssh'ing to my colo server :) [17:23] <ripclaw> is a seperate package, doesnt install in a way that its not formally unsanctioned. [17:23] <ripclaw> cant ssh out [17:23] <blindcoder> putty doesn't need to be 'installed' [17:24] <ripclaw> putty is a unsanctioned package, tinyirc is standard with cygwin, which is a sanctioned package [17:24] <ripclaw> tamu-tiger scans... just for winblows [17:25] <blindcoder> you don't have an usb stick, a floppy disk or a network share? [17:26] <ripclaw> blindcoder - yes, but a binary will give an alert... this is a paranoid^2 network with paranoid^3 admins [17:27] <blindcoder> ouch [17:27] <daja77> so you need to rename it to .doc ^^ [17:27] <ripclaw> i do not like to loose this source of income for breaking the rules, if i can live within them easily with a little less comfort. [17:27] <blindcoder> ripclaw: let me guess: they still use telnet to connect to their servers? [17:27] <daja77> like all the worms do ^^ [17:27] <ripclaw> and no - renaming doesnt work [17:28] <daja77> i was just kidding [17:28] <blindcoder> it's not like we *cough* encourage people to break the rules [17:28] <ripclaw> no, ssh with keys, every login can be tracked to a user, a source machine, which has to be a client etc... and they keep the login records for a while [17:28] <blindcoder> wow [17:28] <blindcoder> I'm impressed [17:28] <ripclaw> i don`t consider that envouraging :D [17:29] <ripclaw> did i mention they are paranoid, did I ;) [17:29] <ripclaw> i get paid for beeing paranoid here, too [17:29] <daja77> perfect [17:29] <blindcoder> here we have to uninstall sshd from the machines before we deliver them to customers [17:29] <blindcoder> ripclaw: just three or four times [17:29] <ripclaw> if you want a job here, i can tell you where to apply :) [17:30] <blindcoder> ehm, no [17:30] <blindcoder> I prefer being able to connect to my home machine from work [17:30] <blindcoder> besides, I'll probably not get paid enough [17:30] <ripclaw> here they regularly (cron) check for installed telnet, rsh, ftp etc, and do so remotely - if they find it, youre roasted. [17:31] <ripclaw> pinkslip, security escort out of building. [17:31] <blindcoder> sweet [17:31] <daja77> but you can do irc ... weird [17:31] <ripclaw> hey, it is a sanctioned package :) [17:31] <blindcoder> well [17:31] <blindcoder> ln -s ssh telnet [17:31] <blindcoder> ln -s ssh rsh [17:31] <blindcoder> ln -s sftp ftp [17:32] <blindcoder> that's how I introduced secure alternatives to some former cow-orkers [17:32] <blindcoder> who always said 'that won't work, it's not tested, we can't use it because our network won't handle it' BLAH [17:32] <blindcoder> then I just did the above [17:32] <ripclaw> here they fire someone for using the old protocol and then tell all others about how to not get fired. [17:32] <blindcoder> and told them two weeks later :) [17:33] <ripclaw> that was perfect deception :) [17:33] <blindcoder> no warning shot? [17:34] <ripclaw> they get the firing revoked by betriebsrat for nonexisting rule anyway, but publicity is better... [17:35] <blindcoder> heh [17:35] <ripclaw> crack the whip and see who runs, or such [17:36] <daja77> sucks [17:36] <ripclaw> works, appearantly... and seems to reduce workforce as ordered, too [17:36] <blindcoder> does it reduce workload, too? [17:37] <blindcoder> I always liked how 'workforce' was reduced and then 'workload' couldn't be solved anymore [17:37] <blindcoder> so workforce was raised again [17:41] <ripclaw> oh, that depends on quarter end or not.. [17:41] <ripclaw> ì am a temp, so that doesnt count me in [17:41] <blindcoder> heh, tell me about it [17:41] <blindcoder> I'm in the middle of the nokia-siemens networks fiasco [17:42] <ripclaw> quarter end is workload 200%, everything else is ok... oh holy mother of fusions... [17:42] <ripclaw> im somewhere in the ibm deutschbank hsh outsourcing deals [17:42] <blindcoder> today was 'great meeting for telling the people what's up' [17:42] <ripclaw> but at least data is secure enough [17:43] <daja77> blindcoder: bad news for you? [17:43] <ripclaw> oh, killday meeting [17:43] <blindcoder> took them 45 minutes to tell us that they don't know anything yet [17:43] <blindcoder> daja77: probably [17:43] <blindcoder> daja77: remains to be seen within the next six months [17:43] <ripclaw> blindcoder - send CV and stuff :) [17:43] <daja77> yeah the essence of meetings [17:43] <blindcoder> daja77: this'll all be wrapped up before october, when the siemens fiscal year ends [17:44] <blindcoder> ripclaw: I haven't written a CV ever since I applied for a "azubijob" back in 98 [17:44] <blindcoder> well, for now I'm not worried [17:45] <ripclaw> just list project experience then :) [17:45] <blindcoder> the part of siemens I work at/for has a good stand compared the rest of siemens [17:45] <blindcoder> I'll probably have to learn a new product line, but that's about it [17:45] <blindcoder> ripclaw: will do :) [17:46] <blindcoder> anyway, my boss from the company that actually pays me is here [17:46] <blindcoder> we'll be having a few beers in an hour [17:46] <blindcoder> and, well, a company that pays trips to chemnitzer linux days, dresdner linux info tag and chaos communication congress isn't bad :) [17:47] <daja77> indeed [17:47] <ripclaw> in that case stay there - here i only get paid for working like a mule... [17:47] <ripclaw> but i get a big ass payment *pun intended* [17:47] <daja77> :D [17:50] <blindcoder> hehe [17:50] <blindcoder> you get paid in big asses? [17:51] <ripclaw> no like a huge mule :) [17:51] <ripclaw> ass (engl.) arsch / esel / maultier (wordplay) [17:52] <ripclaw> (= riesen arsch voll geld oder soviel wie ein riesiger esel verdient) [17:52] <ripclaw> also durchaus doppeldeutig [17:52] <blindcoder> heh [17:54] <ripclaw> ubuntu for sparc - i think i should give it a try as a crossbuild-base for rock [17:54] <blindcoder> anyway, I'm off for the beers [17:54] <ripclaw> cheers, have a drink on me [17:55] <ripclaw> :*) [18:17] <ripclaw> ok, fulltext check dot if the client is still up and running ;) [18:20] <daja77> hehe [18:21] <ripclaw> dot [18:21] <daja77> dot is a nice tool .. [18:22] <ripclaw> i prefer to read backwards and translate (dot) -9 :) [18:23] <ripclaw> but what does dot do ? dot.5 ? [18:28] <daja77> plotting graphs [18:40] <ripclaw> oha... no more bc|xfig more :) [19:02] <ripclaw> dotting again :) [19:02] <daja77> yes you are still online, dude :) [19:03] <ripclaw> hmmm. makes me think about wordplay - slashdot or slaydot ? [19:03] <ripclaw> i noticed :) since no one postet i just thought ild try [19:09] <ripclaw> dotmatrix printer ? [19:10] <daja77> sry i am half off ^^ [19:10] <ripclaw> ^^ [19:16] <ripclaw> cu, i am leaving [19:16] <daja77> cu [19:16] ripclaw (n=DE43741@blueice3n1.de.ibm.com) left irc: "TinyIRC 1.1" [19:34] <stf^rocklinux> fake: is there a special reason for using scons 0.96.91, and not the latest stable (0.96.1)? [19:48] <mnemoc> some packages depend on the development version of scons [19:55] <stf^rocklinux> hm, wengophone-ng doesn't build with it, so we'd need two versions. [20:01] <mnemoc> afaik wengo *needs* the development branch of scons [20:01] esdentem (n=esdentem@p5497A1DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [20:05] <stf^rocklinux> nope, build instructions explicitly say to use 0.96.1, not any later version (and it doesn't build with 0.96.91) [20:54] esdentem (n=esdentem@p5497A1DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Get MacIrssi - https://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/" [21:56] <daja77> scons .. yet another stupid make clone .. [22:14] <th> i disagree somehow [22:29] <mnemoc> but make is far from perfect [23:11] ewiget (n=ewiget@adsl-80-14-142.bgk.bellsouth.net) joined #rocklinux. [23:15] Nick change: mnemoc -> __mnemoc [23:19] ija_ (n=ija@84.19.223.84) joined #rocklinux. [23:26] ewiget (n=ewiget@adsl-80-14-142.bgk.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:32] ija (n=ija@84.19.223.185) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:38] Nick change: __mnemoc -> mnemoc [23:40] blindcod1r (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-a6519d81669a52d8) joined #rocklinux. [23:40] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:00] --- Thu Jun 22 2006