ROCK Linux IRC Logs

The ROCK Linux project has been discontinued in 2010. Here are the old data for the historical record!
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[08:46] <blindcoder> moin
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[11:10] <Chown> hey
[11:12] Action: daja77_ yawns
[11:14] <Chown> u guys know how to set up a fedora core computer with a belkin router?
[11:16] <Chown> cos in my ifconfig my ip is localhost and its connected to the router but on another comp on the network i cant access it.
[11:16] <Chown> if that makes any sense
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[14:51] <ti8it> Hi. I just installed crystal ROCK 7688 and I wonder if there is an easy way to compile and installer the whole gnome2 repository?
[14:53] <daja77> erh probably no
[14:53] <blindcoder> in theory, yes, but I never did it, so use at your own risk
[14:54] <daja77> there is a repository switch for Build-Pkg iirc
[14:54] <blindcoder> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -repository gnome2
[14:54] <blindcoder> daja77: the Build-Pkg doesn't have the -repository switch
[14:54] <daja77> some needed packages might not be in gnome2 repo 
[14:54] <daja77> well ..
[14:54] <blindcoder> ti8it: it _should_ resolve dependencies cleanly, but gnome has never been know for clean deps
[14:55] <blindcoder> if you also add the -dep switch, it just might work
[14:55] <ti8it> I have extracted the deps from deb_db.txt for gnome-desktop
[14:56] <ti8it> because ./scripts/Create-DepList does not seem to work as I expect it
[14:57] <blindcoder> what you expect is probably this: ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dry-run -dep gnome-desktop
[14:58] <ti8it> blindcoder: yes, thats it ;)
[14:58] <daja77> so i guess emerge-pkg is till not obsolete
[14:58] <blindcoder> daja77: why should it be?
[14:59] <daja77> clifford told me so ^
[14:59] <daja77> ^
[14:59] <blindcoder> that's the first time I heard of it
[14:59] <daja77> ok
[15:00] <blindcoder> in the "ROCK Timeline" Emerge-Pkg was only recently introduced... you conffuse me :(
[15:00] <daja77> <- master of confusion
[15:01] <ti8it> btw, congratulations on making ROCKlinux so good and fast. It definiatly rocks
[15:01] <blindcoder> thank you *bows*
[15:01] <daja77> .oO (I need a new build=
[15:02] <ti8it> hmm,  ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep gnome-desktop does not work. It starts with building gnome-desktop, which obviously fails because of all the dependend libs
[15:14] <blindcoder> looks like a sorting problem
[15:16] <blindcoder> ti8it: try this
[15:16] <blindcoder> ti8it: in scripts/Emerge-Pkg go to line 256
[15:16] <blindcoder> ti8it: it look like this:
[15:16] <blindcoder> ti8it: deplist="$deplist `grep -v '^#' $tmp`"
[15:16] <blindcoder> ti8it: change it to:
[15:16] <blindcoder> ti8it: deplist="`grep -v '^#' $tmp` $deplist"
[15:17] <blindcoder> ti8it: otherwise the deps are _ap_pended when obviously they need to be _pre_pended
[15:17] <ti8it> makes sense
[15:18] <blindcoder> I'm not sure if it works, but it's the first that comes to mind
[15:18] <blindcoder> -dep is one of those "nice to have functions, but none of the developers uses it" :/
[15:18] <blindcoder> so bugs in there aren't noticed that fast
[15:18] <ti8it> but it still does not really make sense, when i do ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dry-run -dep sed I get the same output as for gnome-desktop
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[15:19] <blindcoder> let me check
[15:19] <blindcoder> this machine is just a little slow
[15:21] <blindcoder> interesting
[15:22] <stf^rocklinux> hi all
[15:23] <stf^rocklinux> btw. just recently I emerged epiphany with a little shell script written by myself
[15:24] <blindcoder> moin stf^rocklinux 
[15:25] <stf^rocklinux> all it did was to recursively extract the [DEPS] from the .cache files, and ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg every package that was not yet installed... worked pretty well here.
[15:25] <blindcoder> hmm, interesting dependency tree. must be some compile-time installation
[15:26] <blindcoder> won't mess up the distribution build, but only the Emerge-Pkg -dep
[15:27] <ti8it> if you run the cmdline with -debug, you see why you get all these nonsense packages for sed
[15:27] <blindcoder> sed -> linux -> acl -> rpm -> python -> kdebindings -> pam -> opensc -> mozilla
[15:27] <ti8it> yes ;)
[15:27] <blindcoder> -> denotes a dependency of the left package upon the right
[15:28] <blindcoder> basically, this is correct
[15:28] <blindcoder> to get a sed as shipped with crystal, you need all the other packages
[15:29] <blindcoder> usually, it won't even matter, since all the packages are installed already
[15:29] <blindcoder> you'll only get to build them again if they were updated
[15:30] <ti8it> a grep ^sed ./scripts/dep_db.txt looks a wee bit more reasonable
[15:31] <blindcoder> yes, but it's the deps of the deps that make it huge
[15:31] <blindcoder> -dep is broken anyway
[15:31] <blindcoder> it doesn't recognize forked packages
[15:32] <blindcoder> which just emphasises the fact that no developer really uses this feature, causing bit rot
[15:33] <ti8it> that means you compile a distribution for one specific task with basically no way to install (more complex) packages later on
[15:34] <ti8it> or compile everything anyway ;)
[15:34] <blindcoder> not with -dep, no
[15:34] <blindcoder> I usually build the package only
[15:35] <stf^rocklinux> it would greatly help if deps of a package are not installed when this package is already installed.
[15:35] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: they won't
[15:35] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: unless, of course, there's a new version of the installed package
[15:35] <ti8it> I think -deps is actually supposed to do that
[15:36] <ti8it> at least thats what I get from reading the script
[15:40] <stf^rocklinux> ic
[15:52] <stf^rocklinux> btw., from latest trunk with patches:
[15:52] <stf^rocklinux> 338 builds total, 311 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[15:52] <stf^rocklinux> (crystal build)
[15:53] <esden> moin
[15:56] <stf^rocklinux> moin esden
[16:00] <stf^rocklinux> th: ping
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[16:04] <ti8it> makewhatis throws syntax errors here. There is a spurious closing ) in line 261
[16:07] <stf^rocklinux> ti8it: some man pages from irda-utils are broken, I guess that's the reason
[16:08] <stf^rocklinux> see e.g. man irnet
[16:08] <ti8it> it was a syntax error in the makewhatis script
[16:08] <stf^rocklinux> ok, the error I ment occurs when running postinstall.
[16:12] <ti8it> https://tibit.org/awk.txt is what i mean
[16:13] <blindcoder> that seems to be an error in makewhatis
[16:13] <blindcoder> did you check if there is a new version available?
[16:14] <ti8it> no, i just removed that ) on line 216 and now its fixed.
[16:19] <ti8it> is there any real difference between "rocket emerge <x>" and ./scripts/Download && ./scripts/Build-Pkg ?
[16:20] <blindcoder> no
[16:20] <blindcoder> erm
[16:20] <blindcoder> wai
[16:20] <blindcoder> t
[16:20] <blindcoder> yes
[16:20] <blindcoder> rocket emerge adds the -update parameter to build-pgkg
[16:20] <blindcoder> thus preserving changed files (config files, for example)
[16:21] <stf^rocklinux> ti8it: rocket emerge uses the tree in /usr/src/rock-src and the config from /etc/ROCK-CONFIG
[16:21] <ti8it> ahh ok, thanks. So many scripts .. ;)
[16:22] <stf^rocklinux> ti8it: do you mind sending the makewhatis patch to SubMaster?
[16:25] <ti8it> no, not at all. What is SubMaster?
[16:26] <ti8it> https://tibit.org/makewhatis-additional-bracket.p0
[16:26] <stf^rocklinux> it's the patch management for ROCK, see https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/
[16:27] <stf^rocklinux> you can upload patches either via the web interface (see new patch), or via a command line tool called sm (but then you have to checkout trunk with sm as well)
[16:28] <stf^rocklinux> before uploading, please just add a short description at the top of the patch.
[16:28] <blindcoder> or just using Create-Diff and https://www.shellscripts.org/project/rockcommitpatch
[16:40] <ti8it> the bug is fixed in man-1.6d
[16:46] <stf^rocklinux> ok, so we could just update man
[16:46] <stf^rocklinux> btw. scripts/Emerge-Pkg uses the -update parameter as well.
[16:51] <ti8it> yea, just update man
[16:52] <blindcoder> https://www.hackers-lounge.com/stuff/card-reader.JPG
[16:52] <stf^rocklinux> I guess the answer is yes in most cases ^^
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[22:00] <th> stf^rocklinux: pong
[22:00] <th> (i'm out of town until tomorrow afternoon)
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[22:02] <stf^rocklinux> th: hi
[22:03] <stf^rocklinux> my latest test build is almost finished, there are some new patches required for building latest trunk because of libpng and freetype security updates
[22:03] <stf^rocklinux> see my latest journal.
[22:04] <daja77> stf^rocklinux: have you tested the latest nvidia driver?
[22:05] <stf^rocklinux> daja77: no, I have an ati card since christmas, and no other machine where I could put the nvidia card in...
[22:05] <daja77> ic :)
[22:05] <daja77> just found a bug in that installer ^^
[22:08] <stf^rocklinux> th: I'd also welcome an official feature freeze announcement on rock-devel very much.
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[00:00] --- Tue Jul  4 2006