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[13:04] ti8it (n=tibit@146.191.100.187) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:07] daja77 (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-040-025.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:25] ti8it (n=tibit@146.191.100.187) joined #rocklinux. [13:35] <ti8it> Hi. On my crystal trunk install, rocket [f]search and the like do not work. There is a /var/adm/rocket/descs directory but it is empty. I think rocket is supposed to look at /var/adm/descs? [13:38] <blindcoder> probably, yes [13:38] <blindcoder> but there's also Sonar [13:38] <blindcoder> unfortunately, th didn't submit the latest information to it [13:45] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-061-197-111.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:46] <th> blindcoder: sorry i was out of town - just arrived. [13:48] <blindcoder> th: well, you did finish and upload the build? [13:49] <th> no [13:49] <th> sorry - i'll be "back" for rock tonight. [13:49] <blindcoder> then where did ti8it download it? [13:50] <th> propably $topic? [13:50] <ti8it> yupp [13:50] <th> nothing more recent is currently available from my side [13:52] <blindcoder> th: can you upload the sonar data for that? [13:52] <th> there was a helper script for this, right? [13:52] <blindcoder> or did I just forget to put it on the site? [13:52] <blindcoder> yes [13:52] <blindcoder> misc/archive/sonar.sh [13:52] <blindcoder> which revision is it? [13:53] <blindcoder> 7564? [13:53] <blindcoder> ah, no [13:53] <th> perhaps we can decide about a set of patches which may be applied because of the latest builds [13:53] <th> then - i'd like to start a vanilla build again [13:53] <th> i had 3 non-vanillas in a row... [13:53] <blindcoder> the freetype patches [13:53] <blindcoder> and only those [13:53] <th> my latest journal without cups perhaps [13:54] <th> is there more issues than cups in my latest build? [13:55] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-123-164.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:55] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [13:55] <blindcoder> in the latest build, don't think so [13:56] <blindcoder> only ina new one the freetype linking problems [13:57] <th> "ina"? [13:57] <th> "in a " ok [13:57] <th> ok - so do you agree that we should apply my latest build patches w/o cups? [13:57] <th> i'm in a hurry - as i said - will be back tonight [13:57] <th> for rock [14:01] <blindcoder> yes [14:14] <stf^rocklinux> moin [14:15] <stf^rocklinux> xorg 6.9 is is still not usable with latest freetype, despite patches (all characters are displayed as rectangles) :( [14:29] <fake> svn should work again [14:29] ti8it (n=tibit@146.191.100.187) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:30] sIn_mAfIje (n=chopper@hsiproxy.astra-net.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:31] <fake> phoenix's harddrive was full again [14:31] <fake> we need a new server [14:31] <daja77_> so sm works again too? [14:33] <blindcoder> fake: what does fill up the harddrives? [14:34] <fake> blindcoder: clifford's spam mailbox ;) [14:34] <fake> we're on the ege of hard drive space for like a year now [14:34] <fake> i'm going to write a mail to rock-devel [14:35] <blindcoder> fake: well, I delete my spammails daily [14:35] <blindcoder> *cough* [14:35] <blindcoder> /dev/mapper/30bde4b00ded51091c96baac49ff74d4 [14:35] <blindcoder> 466G 33M 466G 1% /mnt/generic [14:35] <blindcoder> guess I could host his spambox :) [14:35] <blindcoder> (that's 3 250 GB harddisks in a RAID 5 with encryption) [14:36] <blindcoder> once the probelm with dm-crypt over RAID is solve I could donate a harddisk [14:46] <fake> blindcoder: it's not only the harddisk that's making my sleep worse [14:47] <blindcoder> fake: is it going up in flames? [14:47] <blindcoder> fake: well, hetzner has very affordable prices and nice machines [14:50] <fake> blindcoder: ack. [14:50] <fake> blindcoder: someone would need to pay it, though [14:50] <fake> blindcoder: and that's a little more problematic [14:51] <fake> blindcoder: because for companies to donate money, we would need to be able to write those 'spendenquittungen' [14:51] <fake> blindcoder: and to be able to do that, we would need to become any form of a 'legal body' [14:51] <fake> blindcoder: a company, an e.V., et alas [14:52] <fake> wait, no, companies can't write them [14:52] <fake> however. [14:52] <fake> i wouldn't want to rent the server personally, and then sit on the costs (be they low, that doesn't matter), because you guys always 'forget' to send me your 5 $ ;) [14:53] <fake> otoh, i wanted to switch server for long now [14:53] <fake> *servers [14:53] <blindcoder> how much traffic does submaster create? [14:53] <blindcoder> and what kind of other infrastructure does it need? [14:53] <stf^rocklinux> an e.V. sounds nice, I've been toying with this idea for some time... [14:54] <fake> we're below 1 TB, i have some 700 GB in mind somehow [14:54] <fake> can't remember where i picked it up, though [14:54] <fake> let me check [14:54] <fake> ifconfig's Rx + Tx / uptime [14:54] <fake> RX bytes:1649432810 (1573.0 Mb) TX bytes:637107248 (607.5 Mb) [14:55] <fake> 14:54:56 up 78 days, 7:34, 1 user, load average: 0.36, 0.63, 0.97 [14:55] <fake> now that's not much [14:55] <fake> 27 MB / day [14:56] <fake> 838 MB / month [14:56] <fake> that's a piece of cake [14:56] <fake> strange. [14:56] <blindcoder> I could host that on Pallas [14:56] <fake> maybe the interface went down... [14:57] <blindcoder> I'm not talking about all of Phoenix, I'm not cliff's mailserver [14:57] ti8it (n=tibit@146.191.100.187) joined #rocklinux. [14:57] <blindcoder> btw, is there any way of getting a blindcoder@rocklinux.org mailinglist (forwarded to my normal account @scavenger.homeip.net)? [14:58] <fake> a mailing_list_ ? [14:58] <blindcoder> err, mailaddress [14:58] <blindcoder> sorry, been busy with lists the last hour or so [14:58] <fake> sure [14:59] <fake> holy shit, it's running sendmail... [14:59] <blindcoder> err [15:00] <blindcoder> okay, nevermind then [15:00] <fake> i'm having a look [15:01] <fake> okay, found it ( i think ) [15:01] <stf^rocklinux> btw. could I get an email account at rocklinux.org? My university is permanently shutting down their free email server for students at the end of year... [15:01] <fake> what;s your complete address, blindcoder ? [15:02] <blindcoder> fake: blindcoder@scavenger.homeip.net [15:02] <fake> stf^rocklinux: that's not really intended, just forwards... [15:02] <fake> stf^rocklinux: but on the new server... [15:02] <fake> stf^rocklinux: ;) [15:03] <stf^rocklinux> fake: ic. know a decent free email service? [15:05] <stf^rocklinux> anyway, it's not important right now, the deadline is end of october. [15:06] <fake> blindcoder: you should have mail [15:06] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i hope the new server is up until then!! [15:07] <fake> stf^rocklinux: all the free email services i know suck [15:07] <stf^rocklinux> fake: that would be great. Do you plan to use it for gem repositories as well? [15:08] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: I could give you an address on pallas [15:08] <fake> stf^rocklinux: that's all open for discussion [15:12] <blindcoder> fake: got it, thanks :) [15:13] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: thx a lot. I'll probably come back to it :) [15:17] <daja77_> stf^rocklinux: for rock you could use gmail [15:18] <blindcoder> wasn't there a gmail-fs for linux once? [15:18] <blindcoder> where you could mount a gmail account as filesystem? [15:18] <daja77_> think so [15:18] <blindcoder> fake: go register some gmail accounts! lots of filesystem space! [15:18] <stf^rocklinux> daja77_: can I access it via kmail? [15:18] <daja77_> :D [15:18] <daja77_> iirc they have pop or imap access as well [15:19] <mnemoc> gmail doens't provide imap, and the pop is done duplicating the mails [15:20] <daja77_> d'oh [16:11] <fake> hm... [16:11] <fake> https://www.server4you.de/de/d/showplan.php?products=0 [16:11] <fake> 44 EUR / month for 12 months and no setup fee with unlimited traffic [16:12] <th> https://feuersenger.net/IXServertest0606.pdf [16:12] <th> 1und1 offers unlimited traffic btew [16:12] <th> s/btew/btw/ [16:13] <mnemoc> fake: i have 2 of those [16:15] <fake> th: really? they limit me to 300 GB...i should switch. [16:15] <fake> th: i'm pretty happy with my 1&1 root server [16:16] <blindcoder> fake: I haven't heard anything good about server4you [16:17] <fake> th: hetzner is pretty much ahead in that test [16:18] <fake> th: but that's just the machine, we don't need a machine that fast [16:20] <mnemoc> fake: try downloading something from here: https://dl.geeks.cl/t2/mirror/current/ that is one of those machines of server4you [16:22] <blindcoder> 100%[==================================================================================================================>] 9,262,002 6.31M/s [16:22] <blindcoder> nice speed :-) [16:22] <mnemoc> blindcoder: and from here: https://83.133.81.222/mirror/t2-source/2.2 ? [16:22] <fake> mnemoc: so you are satisifed? [16:23] <blindcoder> 100%[==================================================================================================================>] 9,262,002 7.70M/s [16:23] <mnemoc> fake: the service is discusting, the badwidth is very varaible, and the contract is discussting. beside that, i'm happy [16:23] Action: blindcoder .oO( the same thing other people have said ) [16:23] <blindcoder> well, it is a hoster specialising in game servers... [16:23] <mnemoc> blindcoder: the second is at webperoni.de, with a much more stable bandwidth [16:24] <blindcoder> personally, I'm very happy with hetzner [16:24] <blindcoder> they really do a _lot_ to get a customers server back online [16:24] <blindcoder> and they admit it if they fsck something up :) [16:24] <mnemoc> but the f* setup fee :( [16:25] <blindcoder> hetzner? [16:25] <mnemoc> yep [16:25] <blindcoder> 60 euro, that's not much [16:25] <blindcoder> like I said, I could afford the ds 3000 (1TB/month) [16:25] <mnemoc> for the old machines it's 69 [16:25] <mnemoc> for the normals 150 [16:25] <blindcoder> but I'm not quite willing to also host cliffords spl stuff or other toys [16:26] <blindcoder> and I wouldn't be able to afford extra bandwidth [16:29] <mnemoc> uhm, nice... they upgraded the DS3000 to athlon 64 [16:29] <mnemoc> it was athlon xp the last month [16:29] <blindcoder> hehe [16:29] <blindcoder> well, we don't have a 64 bit version anyway [16:29] <blindcoder> lacking hardware [16:30] <blindcoder> and it'd be strange to host ROCK stuff on non-ROCK Linux :-) [16:30] <mnemoc> blindcoder: give me your public key and i give you access to my 'build server' [16:31] <mnemoc> blindcoder: replacing the OS remotly is painful, but not impossible [16:31] <blindcoder> mnemoc: https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/id_rsa.pub [16:31] <blindcoder> heh, I've done it before at a hetzner server [16:31] <blindcoder> Pallas, now hosting sonar.rocklinux.org among others [16:32] <mnemoc> blindcoder: sudo is ok? [16:32] <blindcoder> mnemoc: great! [16:35] <mnemoc> blindcoder: query, and test :) [16:39] <fake> i have lots of 64 bit hardware [16:39] <fake> except for my notebook & router, my pcs are all 64bit AMDs [16:39] <blindcoder> fake: so where are the 64 Bit Crystal builds? [16:39] <fake> blindcoder: 2 months ahead, if you start paying my salary ;) [16:40] <blindcoder> fake: I'd prefer you sending me the hardware so that someone can work on it :) [16:41] <fake> blindcoder: the hardware is so cheap, boards are 70 EUR for cheap ones, and a CPU you get for 100 EUR [16:41] <fake> blindcoder: you can re-use the rest [16:43] <blindcoder> fake: like my RAMBus? [16:45] <blindcoder> I'd have upgraded my machine for ages if it weren't for the additional RAM to be bought [16:50] <blindcoder> maybe I can afford a new computer after the next tax refund [16:50] <blindcoder> (due end august to mid september) [16:50] <blindcoder> anyway, gotta run now [16:50] <blindcoder> bbl [17:00] <fake> ram is cheap atm, too [17:05] <fake> *ROFL* [17:05] <fake> Jetzt für 3 Euro gratis wetten [17:08] Action: fake bbl [17:09] <daja77_> hehe [17:53] ija_ (n=ija@212.80.242.16) joined #rocklinux. [18:11] ija (n=ija@84.19.217.153) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:53] Nick change: ija_ -> ija [20:02] <blindcoder> re [20:06] <stf^rocklinux> wb, just in time for the semifinale ;) [20:06] <blindcoder> heh [20:06] <blindcoder> who cares about that? [20:07] <stf^rocklinux> Germans? [20:07] <stf^rocklinux> and Italians, of course ^^ [20:07] <stf^rocklinux> btw. I'm doing a test build with X11R7.1, maybe that works with latest freetype... [20:08] <stf^rocklinux> it will be ready for testing tomorrow. [20:51] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: how buildable is trunk atm? [20:52] <stf^rocklinux> with my patches, it's buildable, but xorg is unusable... [20:52] <fake> germany is so gonna win! [20:52] <stf^rocklinux> [14:11:40] <stf^rocklinux> xorg 6.9 is is still not usable with latest freetype, despite patches (all characters are displayed as rectangles) :( [20:52] <blindcoder> okay, that's good enough for me [20:52] <fake> trunk is unusable?? [20:53] <stf^rocklinux> fake: yes, because of the freetype security update. [20:53] <fake> who wanted a feature freeze ? [20:53] <fake> ;-) [20:53] <fake> oh, i.c. [20:53] Action: fake starting a crystal build [20:54] <stf^rocklinux> not that I'm blaming anyone here, I think the security updates are allright. [20:54] <fake> sure thing. regressions have to be dealt with, the security stuff needs to go in ASAP [20:54] <stf^rocklinux> It's just that I'd like to have a working xorg again asap, without reverting the freetype update :) [20:55] <blindcoder> fake: to answer your question: everyone wanted it :) [20:56] <stf^rocklinux> fake: ah, yes. me too! [20:59] <fake> i just read that today [20:59] <fake> i was in .de relaxing a little and working a lot last week [20:59] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I guess th will apply the patches from his latest build tomorrow, except the cups update, which proved to be badly supported in kde 3.5.3... [21:01] <stf^rocklinux> after that I'd like very much to apply only bugfixes (and updates necessary to build crystal packages). [21:02] <fake> i fully agree. [21:02] <fake> i will do another test build using updated gcc 4.1 and glibc 2.4 for crystal now [21:02] Action: blindcoder has some Baileys *slurp* [21:02] <stf^rocklinux> btw. I'm using latest test build and I noticed only one bug not related to freetype and libpng. [21:03] <fake> i want to switch to those after the freeze [21:03] <blindcoder> waitwait, does that mean we might actually get a release out _this_ *year*? [21:03] <fake> blindcoder: we'll see ;) [21:04] <stf^rocklinux> that bug is in man, and it's fixed by an update (btw. tibit noticed it, really). [21:08] <stf^rocklinux> btw. what do you think of hosting svn repositories (and only those) at sf.net? At least it's for free, and I don't see any attached obligation to use other hosting services from sf as well... [21:11] <th> ok - so everything except cups to be applied? [21:11] <th> from my last iso [21:11] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: I don't think that's good [21:11] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: mostly because we can't get hooks there easily [21:11] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: which has proven necessary a few times [21:12] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: with the amount of traffic clifford posted, I could host rl.net easily on Pallas [21:12] <stf^rocklinux> th: I say yes, although it's not 100% certain that kde 3.5.3 works the same way with cups 1.1.23 as kde 3.5.2 did... [21:13] <blindcoder> th: apply fast, I want to start a build :) [21:13] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: ic. If it's impractical, it's probably not a good idea. [21:21] <stf^rocklinux> regarding the cups+kde update, it seems that kde 3.5.3 is still closer to the cups 1.1.23 api than to 1.2, so my guess is that it will works just fine with 1.1.23. [21:22] <fake> arghl, th, i just created my journal ;) [21:23] <th> gimme a second. [21:23] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i can host the svn repo, that's surely not the problem. [21:23] <th> checking for other hotfixes [21:23] <fake> sf.net = cvs ? [21:23] <th> sf has svn [21:23] <fake> cool [21:23] <blindcoder> no [21:23] <blindcoder> they have svn for some time now [21:23] <stf^rocklinux> yes, it offers both [21:23] <th> but no hooks [21:23] <th> i gues [21:23] <fake> anyways, svn is the least pita [21:23] <blindcoder> though quite unaccessible wrt. hooks [21:24] <fake> i just ordered an upgrade of my root-server from 1&1 today [21:24] <fake> with unlimited traffic [21:24] <fake> muaha. [21:24] <blindcoder> th: got everything applied? [21:24] <fake> (yes, i read the agb) [21:25] <blindcoder> fake: so you're going to host rl.net? [21:25] <th> please wait [21:25] <stf^rocklinux> btw. there's "stf's test journal (X11R7.1)", which features th's latest journal, hotfixes, and all X11R7.1 patches [21:25] <th> i'll let you know when i'm fready [21:25] <blindcoder> okay [21:25] <fake> blindcoder: i could. [21:25] <fake> blindcoder: but not clifford's other projects, as you mentioned, i have no real personal interest in them ;) [21:26] <blindcoder> fake: my point exactly [21:26] Action: fake watching some soccer now, til' th is finished [21:26] <blindcoder> that reminds me [21:26] <stf^rocklinux> that journal should build fine, but if it works at run-time is another question. my first (livecd) test build simply hang when running e.g. start... [21:26] <stf^rocklinux> startx [21:32] <th> ok [21:32] <th> that's it [21:32] <th> finished [21:32] <th> anything missing? [21:40] <stf^rocklinux> afaics no [21:40] <fake> nice [21:40] <fake> then i'm gonna start a build now [21:41] <fake> i'm just going to build vanilla trunk, and after that i'll compare it to gcc 4.1.1 / glibc 2.4 [21:42] Action: blindcoder watching the ascii-wm [21:42] <stf^rocklinux> wait, 2006070220062729167 is missing (isdn4kutils fix with only automake19), if you haven't applied it manually. [21:43] <th> i did that manually. looks like i need to mark it as applied in smng then [21:44] <stf^rocklinux> ok :) [21:46] <blindcoder> heh, what an english :) [21:47] <stf^rocklinux> th: 2006062420313526872 is also needed to build sysfiles (sysfiles tries to install non-existent hwscan without that) [21:50] <blindcoder> "the Roma director is angehuepft the Chelsea player!" [22:05] treo (n=xfman@C8425.c.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [22:08] <blindcoder> erm [22:08] <blindcoder> guys? [22:08] <blindcoder> ERROR: Found download/mirror/k/koffice-l10n-ru-1.5.1.tar.bz2.extck-err. [22:09] <blindcoder> RROR: did not match it's filename extension. Remove the *.extck-err file [22:09] <blindcoder> ERROR: Found download/mirror/k/kde-i18n-ru-3.5.3.tar.bz2.extck-err. [22:09] Action: blindcoder tries again [22:09] <blindcoder> hmm [22:09] <blindcoder> not on the mirrors yet [22:10] <blindcoder> okay, everything's fine now [22:10] <blindcoder> go back to sleep :) [22:10] <rocklogbot> blindcoder: 64: linux-libc-headers finished in stage 0 [22:12] <rocklogbot> blindcoder: 64: glibc23 finished in stage 0 [22:15] <rocklogbot> blindcoder: 64: binutils finished in stage 0 [22:20] Resonant (n=Resonant@ip70-161-238-193.hr.hr.cox.net) joined #rocklinux. 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