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[00:02] <fake> hi there elon [00:26] <fake> https://www.hpcdual.at/index.php?curPage=dz_ [00:26] <fake> https://www.hpcdual.at/index.php?curPage=dz_technik [00:26] <fake> sorry [00:55] brian|lfs (n=Brian@216-15-45-30.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:58] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:58] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) joined #rocklinux. [01:31] blindcod1r (i=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder) joined #rocklinux. [01:47] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:53] stf^rocklinux_ (n=user@M1121P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [01:55] stf^rocklinux (n=user@M1320P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:10] <fake> i, err, fixed our gnome. it was... sticking. [02:15] Action: fake off for some symbian work now [03:06] elon (n=elon@host7.zwelf.net) left irc: "fupp//" [03:28] _Ragnar__ (i=loki@216.250.77.230) joined #rocklinux. [03:29] _Ragnar_ (i=loki@216.250.77.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:40] Nick change: _Ragnar__ -> _Ragnar_ [03:50] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-101-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [03:50] menomc (n=amery@kilo105.server4you.de) joined #rocklinux. [03:51] mnemoc (n=amery@kilo105.server4you.de) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:53] Nick change: menomc -> mnemoc [03:58] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-099-158.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:58] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [07:39] <blindcod1r> moin [07:40] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [08:43] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:44] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) joined #rocklinux. [09:39] <owl> moin [09:55] stf^rocklinux_ (n=user@M1121P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:56] stf^rocklinux_ (n=user@M1143P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [09:58] ringo (n=info@ip565668e1.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) joined #rocklinux. [10:17] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:17] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) joined #rocklinux. [10:22] <blindcoder> fake: ping [10:23] <blindcoder> fake: do you thinkit's necessary to limit the entries to 'ROCKLinux' stuff? [10:29] <esden> moin [10:30] <blindcoder> moin moin [10:31] <esden> *yawn* ... [10:31] <esden> damn I am so tired [10:32] <blindcoder> heh, tell me about [10:33] <owl> hi esden [10:33] <owl> *handing over an empty cup* <- please fill cappuccino in ;P [10:34] <esden> owl: I hoped that you give me a filled cup ... [10:34] <owl> sorry, no, i am too lazy to move. and too tired. and just run out of cappuccin *yawn* [10:36] <esden> :( [10:38] <owl> exactly [10:41] ringo (n=info@ip565668e1.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:44] ringo (n=info@ip565668e1.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) joined #rocklinux. [11:07] <owl> *yawn* still no cappu here [11:12] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:12] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) joined #rocklinux. [11:53] ringo (n=info@ip565668e1.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:09] <esden> owl: I have coke ;) [12:09] <owl> esden: heh, also ok. thx a lot *drinking the whole bottle of coke* [12:29] <esden> erm .... urgh ... *sigh* [12:29] <esden> *headshake* [12:30] <owl> esden: ? [12:58] daja77_ (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-046-043.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. 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[15:26] <blindcoder> https://light.bluelinux.co.uk/~rpb28/truesuperman.jpg [15:27] <blindcoder> interesting what you can do by removing speech bubbles :-) [15:33] <esden> that is a pretty nice article ... if you ever considered or still are considering yourself as a nerd ;) https://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html [15:38] <blindcoder> I've been called one recently [15:42] <blindcoder> Navy SEALs and neurosurgery residents seem slackers by comparison. [15:42] <blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA [16:01] <esden> hehe ... yes ;) [16:03] <blindcoder> interesting essay, to say the least [16:07] <esden> I think I have to blog that one [16:08] <esden> in general ... all essays by Paul Graham are interesting at least ... [16:08] <esden> I consider all of them very inspiring [16:13] stf^rocklinux_ (n=user@M1143P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Excess Flood [16:13] stf^rocklinux_ (n=user@M1143P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [16:16] <blindcoder> esden: 16:03 < Violist> blindcoder: tell esden that's a good article [16:18] <esden> *GG* [16:52] <blindcoder> I'm almost ready for a LVP release :D [17:56] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux_: meep [18:13] stf^rocklinux_ (n=user@M1143P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:16] stf^rocklinux (n=user@M1099P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [18:25] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: meep [18:26] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: mop [18:26] <stf^rocklinux> hi blindcoder :) [18:27] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: any comments on the www.rl.net issuo? [18:29] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: not really... I consider myself a blog agnostic. [18:30] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: but write access for devs is a Good Thing imo :) [18:31] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: that's exactly what esden and I had in mind with the second suggestion (slashcode) [18:34] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: then I'm all for it :D [18:36] <stf^rocklinux> bbl, watching simpsons [18:36] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: great, please say so on the mailinglist :-) [19:12] <owl> re [19:13] <blindcoder> re owl [19:13] <owl> thx [19:13] <owl> that's so fscking hot outside! [19:14] <blindcoder> oh, it's just 30 Celsius here [19:14] <owl> hrrrrmpf! [19:14] <owl> it even has arround 26 °C in my office [20:00] <stf^rocklinux> re [20:00] <blindcoder> wb [20:59] _Ragnar_ (i=loki@216.250.77.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:22] <fake> hm [21:22] <fake> th: ping [21:25] <blindcoder> moin fake [21:30] <blindcoder> fake: I think that having a separate "professional" versus a "private" part of the website would make for higher quality instead of grepping the 'ROCKLinux' tag from the blogs as 'official' information [21:33] <fake> hm [21:34] <fake> it ought to be unofficial, just not off-topic, right? [21:34] <fake> the page ist called 'rock linux planet' [21:34] <fake> so why not stick to the topic ? [21:35] <fake> the links to the developer's personal stuff is below each and every articel/summary! [21:39] <blindcoder> I'm orientating me on other planets here [21:39] <blindcoder> which also take the whole feed as it is [21:41] <blindcoder> I'm not saying to let just anyone on the planet [21:41] <blindcoder> but only people who have 'also' rock related content [21:41] <blindcoder> but not putting 'only' rock related content there only [21:41] <blindcoder> that what I'd like to use something like slashcode for then [21:46] <fake> i don't really see the difference? [21:47] <fake> we could do both [21:47] <fake> roller on blog.f4k3.net supports shared blogs [21:48] Action: fake going to build a crystal with all patches from the more or less important bugfixes queue now [21:48] <fake> th takes too long. [22:01] _Ragnar_ (i=loki@216.250.77.230) joined #rocklinux. [22:04] <blindcoder> well, you're one of the 2.5 people in charge, so you have to decide on the final version used [22:04] <fake> blindcoder: what speaks against using both? [22:04] <fake> blindcoder: the ROCKLinux or alike Tags of developers personal tags, and a special dedicated shared blog completely? [22:05] <fake> that way, it should be nicely filled, however one likes to use it. [22:06] <blindcoder> fake: that's what I'm talking about all the time :-) [22:06] <blindcoder> the shared on www. [22:06] <blindcoder> the rest on planet. [22:06] <blindcoder> or do you mean the shared + ROCKLinux tags on www.? [22:07] <fake> what's www. and what's planet. ? [22:07] <fake> why different pages? [22:07] <fake> mash it all up to one [22:08] <fake> no confusion, please ;-) [22:08] <blindcoder> www.rl.net and planet.rl.net [22:09] <blindcoder> much like symlink.ch does it [22:09] <blindcoder> www.symlink.ch as the normal page, planet.symlink.ch as the blog-aggregator [22:12] <fake> id's say all on www.rl.net [22:13] <fake> what would be the difference for us between planet. and www. ? [22:13] <fake> only the entries visible? that would be a bad thing. [22:13] <fake> very confusing [22:14] <fake> much like www.google.com and vvv.google.com, where the latter stands for 'verbose' and gives more results [22:14] <blindcoder> well, I'd like to have all entries visible, but you have to decide [22:14] <netrunner> Unable to determine IP address from host name for vvv.google.com [22:14] <fake> i don't see why my personal blog entries are of *any* interest to someone seeking for information about rock linux? [22:14] Action: netrunner wondering :) [22:14] <fake> netrunner: it was an example [22:14] <netrunner> ah [22:14] <fake> netrunner: dorkhead ;P [22:15] <netrunner> fake: I thought you were distributing l33t h@x0ring knowledge [22:15] <fake> blindcoder: the link to all your entries is just below *every* entry, and on the left side! [22:15] <fake> netrunner: not today. [22:15] <fake> netrunner: ;) [22:15] <blindcoder> fake: no, below is a link to _the_ entry on your blog [22:16] <fake> blindcoder: which is on your blog page. if i think your blog is interesting, i will stay on your page [22:16] <fake> blindcoder: but i'd really like to have www._rocklinux_.net somewhate _rocklinux_ specific! [22:16] <blindcoder> fake: someone seeking information about rock would go to www.rl.net, someone seeking opinions of the devs will go to planet.rl.net [22:17] <blindcoder> fake: yes, of course [22:17] <blindcoder> fake: _www_.rl.net [22:17] <fake> blindcoder: someone seeking opinions of the devs will search their private blogs. [22:17] <blindcoder> fake: but I don't think _planet_.rl.net is all that important [22:17] <fake> then forget about it! [22:18] <blindcoder> whoah now, chill [22:18] Action: blindcoder rests his case and leaves [22:18] <fake> we should be happy if there is ONE page that's up-to-date, navigatable, and full of *current* information [22:18] <fake> i didn't mean forget about the whole thing ;) [22:18] <blindcoder> fake: I've volunteered many times to take care of that [22:19] <blindcoder> having up-to-date information [22:19] <blindcoder> most of which never existed lacking any kind of feedback from anyone up to and including clifford [22:19] <fake> i see a problem of communicating the 'homepage' diversing between www.rl.net and planet.rl.net. and then i see another problem with the image it creates. [22:19] <fake> honestely. [22:20] <blindcoder> planets aren't a new thing :-) [22:20] <fake> if debian developers would get their opinion promoted on the debian page, i'd not use debian [22:20] <blindcoder> but if you don't want it, fine, then just the www. thing with only the ROCKLinux tagged stuff [22:20] <blindcoder> err, they do [22:20] <blindcoder> https://planet.debian.net/ [22:21] <fake> blindcoder: it's all linux/debian specific on there ;P [22:21] <blindcoder> "PERHAPS BONGHITS WILL FIX MY UNDERSTANDING OF STOCHASTIC CONTEXT FREE GRAMMARS" [22:21] <fake> or at least mostly. [22:21] <blindcoder> yeah... of course... [22:22] <fake> of course, you will always find a needle in a haystack the size of a planet. [22:22] <fake> i think i made my point clear. [22:23] <fake> i'm a narcisitc asshole seeking for power and want to get my will through no matter what. [22:23] <fake> mwahaha. [22:23] <blindcoder> tell news [22:24] <blindcoder> tell you what [22:24] <blindcoder> we start with the rocklinux tags and shared blog thing on www.rl.net [22:24] <blindcoder> and later see if we do a planet.rl.net thing [22:25] <blindcoder> can you set something like that up? [22:25] <fake> okey dokey! [22:25] <blindcoder> so you get what you want now and I maybe later :-) [22:25] <fake> from my side. we could wait for th's opinion. [22:25] <blindcoder> fake: if it's possible, try getting the ROCKLinux tag items from my current blog software. I like multiple logins as much as you :-) [22:26] <fake> blindcoder: this is not about what i want, but what i thin is best and your arguments didn't drag me away from ;) [22:26] <blindcoder> 21:42 < fake> th takes too long. [22:26] <blindcoder> :-) [22:26] <th> hmm [22:26] <fake> *evil laughter* [22:26] <th> *blink* [22:26] <fake> th: hi! [22:27] <th> yea hi [22:27] <blindcoder> fake: well, I disagree on the "what's best", but I'm not in the position to make decisions [22:27] <blindcoder> fake: as long as you let me tag LVP stuff as ROCKLinux, too, I'm happy :-) [22:27] <blindcoder> moin th [22:29] Action: fake knew that being able to make the decision equals being the bad guy [22:29] <blindcoder> it always does [22:29] <blindcoder> noone remembers when the weatherforecast is right, but everyone remembers when they're wrong [22:30] <fake> keep that in mind when i disagree with you, please ;) [22:31] Action: blindcoder can't remember fake having been right [22:31] <fake> hoho, big words [22:31] <th> "no hard-disc found" [22:31] <blindcoder> aah, anyway, I get to get a www.rl.net that's actually usable [22:31] Action: owl smells love in the air [22:32] <blindcoder> mission accomplished :) [22:32] <blindcoder> "Love is in the air" [22:32] <fake> th: modprobe mptspi. it's a special case. [22:32] <blindcoder> "Everywhere I look around" [22:32] <blindcoder> "Love is in the air" [22:32] <blindcoder> "In every whisper and every sound" [22:32] <th> i still need to modprobe my nv-sata module and stuff by hand? [22:32] <th> fake: that's not this special case today [22:32] <th> fake: it's the other special case [22:33] <fake> th: in the installer? [22:33] <th> yes [22:33] <fake> th: then the module must be missing in the initrd... [22:34] <fake> th: is nv_sata in a subdirectory in .../scsi/ ? [22:34] <fake> sata_nv [22:34] <fake> no, it isn't [22:34] <fake> hmm [22:35] <th> oh cool even my keyboard does not work cause some usb modules are missing [22:35] <fake> o_O [22:35] <fake> wtf? [22:35] <th> now i need to find a ps2 keyboard [22:35] <fake> missing usb modules? [22:35] <fake> i don't believe that [22:35] <fake> in the bootdisk, can you do a udevtrigger / udevsettle and see if it fixes that? [22:36] <th> yea after i find the keyboard ;) [22:38] <blindcoder> anyway, I'm off for the day [22:38] <blindcoder> bye [22:38] <owl> gn8 blindcoder [22:38] <th> udevtrigger helps [22:38] <th> now i have hdd and usb-keyboard [22:38] <th> and even nvidiafb [22:39] <fake> n8 blindcoder [22:39] <fake> th: what i guessed. [22:39] <fake> th: we should do that somehwere in stage 2 [22:39] <fake> th: i filed that under 'installer re-write' [22:40] Action: fake stromberg of #rl [22:41] <owl> bwahahahaha, i know, that you have a "grosse klappe", but that large...? :) [22:43] <fake> i do? [22:43] <owl> grosse klappe? - imho: yes :P [22:59] <fake> and what gives you that impression? [22:59] <owl> you :) [23:01] <fake> ;P [23:02] <fake> owl: for this critic to be constructive, you need to give me something more... fixable ;) [23:02] <owl> fake: "grosse klappe" != critic :P cynism is sexy *smile* [23:03] Action: fake confused [23:03] <owl> bwahahahaha. why? ;) [23:03] <fake> i don't get it, but that's not a new feeling. [23:04] <owl> heh, nobody understands my thoughts - also not new ^^ [23:05] <owl> anyway, how are you? [23:06] <fake> hm [23:06] <fake> somwhere on the line between 'good' and 'i can't say' [23:06] <owl> ^^ that sounds kinda strange. what causes this 'not really sure'-state? [23:06] <fake> owl: symbian 9.1 ;) [23:07] <owl> symbian...? wasn't that an OS for mobile? [23:08] <owl> +s [23:12] <fake> jup. [23:12] <fake> www.symbian.com [23:13] <owl> hrrrrm. and that makes you 'unknown'? O_O [23:13] <owl> .oO( ok. you're running under symbian OS platform and found bugs by yourself using the internal debugger? - *headshake* ) [23:16] <fake> internal debugger? [23:16] Action: fake rofling to death [23:16] <fake> it's depressing. [23:17] <fake> there are all these sexy new features in the new release, but nobody actually documents them [23:17] <owl> yeah, self-debugging symbian OS you must be running at... to allow symbian makeing you feel unknown? [23:17] <fake> so you're off to browsing and searching forums for solutions [23:17] <fake> web forums [23:17] <fake> did i mention i hate web forums? [23:17] <owl> no, but i guess you're more the usenet-guy, aren't you? [23:18] <fake> i'm more the 'well-commented header files' guy [23:19] <owl> or that. .oO( too-lazy-to-search-guy? ;) [23:21] <fake> did i mention the error codes from symbian are negative values like '-3' and the forum's search function can't search for -number tokens? [23:23] <fake> yeah, well, sucks to be me. [23:23] <owl> bah! sounds 'nice' [23:28] <fake> indeed. but i can handle it. the success serotonine flush makes up for most of it ;) [23:28] <owl> *lol* oh yes... ;) [23:33] <fake> how about you? still at that crappy firm in munich? [23:33] <owl> nah, luckily not - heh, i feel much better now... i'm kinda self-employed and unemployed (yeah, that works together), and doing my own stuff more than ever... ;) [23:39] <fake> how does that work? [23:39] <fake> i want that, too ;) [23:39] <fake> (you now this channel is logged, right?) [23:39] <fake> ;) [23:40] <owl> yeah, i know, but it's official. ;) [23:40] <owl> -> no problem ;) [23:40] <owl> well, you get ALG, and you have 'gewerbeschein' for less than 15 hours/week... [23:44] <fake> hey, that's really interesting [23:45] <fake> but you need to be fired to get ALG, right? [23:45] <owl> yep [23:46] <owl> otherwise you are normally not paid for about 3 month or so [23:53] <fake> and after that? [23:53] <owl> you are getting normally the money [23:54] <owl> the 3 month or whatever, are when you've lost your job by your own fault or if you quit the contract by yourself. and that's the "sperrzeit" [00:00] --- Tue Jul 25 2006