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[00:37] Action: fake boooooooored [00:37] <fake> i'm so busy being bored, i don't even have time to think about what i could do to stop being bored [00:37] <fake> what a tragedy. [00:38] <fake> owl: who's chili addicted? you? [00:49] Action: netrunner enjoying a banana-cocos-baileys-milkshake [00:51] <madtux> hey netty [00:52] <netrunner> hey maddy [01:09] nookie (n=nookie@M268P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [01:12] <madtux> n00kie! [01:13] <netrunner> madtux: you have a greeting-reflex :) [01:14] <madtux> netrunner: haha... not really just kinda bored and i have not been around for a while so its nice to say hello to old friends [01:15] <netrunner> hey, I am not that old :) [01:19] <madtux> lol [01:19] <madtux> u are older than me [01:19] <madtux> :) [01:19] <madtux> i think [01:19] <madtux> its very possible that only nookie is younger... and blindcoder for a few hours [01:21] Action: netrunner suddenly becomes tired [01:22] <netrunner> hm, cleanup desk now or tomorrow ... now or tomorrow ... sleep or work ... nice dreams or dirty hands ... [01:22] <fake> mmh... banana-cocos-baileys... sounds good [01:22] <netrunner> fake: it was good :) [01:22] Action: fake austrian beer... [01:22] <fake> yuck [01:23] <netrunner> n8 [01:23] <fake> n8! 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[09:18] nookie (n=nookie@M268P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:56] Action: blindcoder installing ROCK3 on a FSC Celsius Mobile H [10:19] <blindcoder> Warning: File <blah> has modification timestamp 9.4e+06 seconds in the future [10:19] <blindcoder> err... [11:31] <owl> fake: nah, ah friendorsomethinglikethat... ^^ [11:31] <owl> moin btw [11:55] <blindcoder> moin owl [11:57] <owl> hi blindy [12:50] <netrunner> moin blindy & owl [12:50] <owl> hi netrunner [12:59] daja77 (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-038-118.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:09] daja77_ (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-039-107.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:24] Nick change: ija_ -> ija [15:04] esdentem (n=esdentem@p54997F31.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [15:05] <esdentem> huhu [15:05] Action: esdentem waiting for pallas to come back ... :( [15:05] Action: esdentem missing pallas [15:06] Action: esdentem continuing to read pcl ... [15:06] <owl> hi esdentem [15:51] owl (n=owl@193.93.28.218) left irc: "brb" [15:51] owl (n=owl@193.93.28.218) joined #rocklinux. [17:09] nookie__ (n=nookie@M368P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [17:09] nookie_ (n=nookie@M277P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:51] <fake> moin [17:52] <owl> hi fake [18:02] <nookie__> 5 to 6 [18:02] <nookie__> time to get up :) [18:03] <owl> hi nookie__ ;) [18:03] <nookie__> hi owl [18:04] <owl> how are you? [18:31] <nookie__> quite good thanks :) [18:31] <nookie__> a little bit tired but ok [18:31] <nookie__> you owl? [18:33] esdentem (n=esdentem@p54997F31.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Get MacIrssi - https://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/" [18:33] <owl> alive. bored like hell. ill. [18:35] <nookie__> yeah [18:35] <nookie__> it's really boring [18:35] <nookie__> fucking weather [18:35] <nookie__> you cannot do anything [18:35] <owl> yeah, especially if you need to stay on your couch... :( [18:36] <nookie__> what have you? [18:37] <owl> influenca or shit. at least many small men sitting in my head and making 'tock, tock' from inside... and my throat hurts, my ears are - strange, my nose... and i am just dead [18:37] <nookie__> ohh [18:37] <nookie__> gute besserung! [18:37] <nookie__> influenca is very bad [18:37] <nookie__> I had last year [18:37] <owl> thx [18:37] <owl> yeah, i have often normally. buuuuut... :/ [18:38] <owl> i am so hyperactive that i am almost getting insane... [18:38] <nookie__> why hyperactive [18:38] <nookie__> ? [18:38] <owl> and: the fscking "glas meiner brille" broke ... *grmpf* [18:38] <nookie__> you need to buy contanct linses :) [18:39] <owl> oh, i am always kinda hyperactive. especially if i can't compensate it with doing things... [18:39] <owl> nah.. i dislike contacts... have them, but i prefer glasses ;) [18:39] <nookie__> maybe do sports? [18:39] <owl> not allowed to... :/ [18:40] <owl> you know 'no sports during illness' [18:40] <nookie__> ah ok [18:40] <owl> hrm :/ [18:42] muxx (n=muxx@muxxik.force9.co.uk) joined #rocklinux. [18:44] <muxx> hi guys. is it possible to build rock without gcc/makeinfo/... ending up in the resulting image ? [18:45] <owl> hi muxx [18:46] <muxx> hi [18:47] <muxx> I tried to create a cut-down wersion of the router but gcc is still there [18:47] <muxx> Version even [18:48] <fake> muxx: it's a very good idea keeping gcc [18:48] <fake> muxx: any C++ program will need it's libraries [18:50] <muxx> I don't mind keeping the libraries. but I don't need all this stuff in my resulting image [18:51] <muxx> I mean intermediate packages that are required for the build [18:54] <muxx> also, afaik, c++ progs require libstc++ and libgcc. any chance of installing just the library, not the whole gcc package ? [18:55] <fake> muxx: you could create a split-package for the libraries, we've been wanting to do that since long [18:56] <muxx> won't it make the build > [18:56] <muxx> won't it BREAK the build even [18:56] <muxx> because I tried disabling gcc at first, and it breaks [18:57] <fake> muxx: why? split-packages just put the binaries created by the gcc build in different packages, called gcc:something [18:57] <fake> muxx: then you could only put, for example gcc:libstdc++ and gcc:libgcc on the media [18:58] <fake> muxx: or maybe call it gcc:runtime [18:58] <muxx> how do I achieve this ? [18:58] <fake> muxx: on how to create split packages, see package/base/apache/apache.conf [18:58] <fake> muxx: a apache:apr split package is created there [18:59] <fake> muxx: or package/base/subversion/subversion.conf, there's the subversion:server example [18:59] <muxx> can't I just sort of cross-compile, to separate the intermediate packages and what is put in the result ? [19:00] <fake> muxx: you can of course selected what gets put on the install media. take a look at the bootdisk tatget's build_stage2.sh [19:01] <fake> muxx: though the bootdisk uses tar.bz2 without package splits, so you have the advantage of just ignoring all :dev and :doc packages for a start. [19:02] <fake> muxx: the bootdisk is from a time before split packages, and will get a major rewrite soon. [19:03] <muxx> basically, I need an absolute minimum, to fit a ramdisk. basic binaries, libraries + ssh. what's the most sensible way of achieving this with rock ? [19:05] <fake> muxx: see target/router/build.sh [19:05] <fake> muxx: it creates a initrd-like image to burn on cd. [19:05] <fake> muxx: you can adopt that for your own target. [19:06] <fake> muxx: looking up required libraries automatically is done for example in target/bootdisk/build_stage1.sh, line 142 to 155 [19:07] <muxx> so there's no way of achieving this using package selection rules ? [19:07] <fake> muxx: creating symlinks for required files automatically is done in the same file as above [19:07] <fake> muxx: selecting the packages' parts to put in the image in build.sh is a package selection? [19:08] <muxx> no, I mean using Config's "package selection rules" section [19:09] <fake> muxx: with the package selection rules, you define which packages get built. in your target/mydistro dir, you can do everything else. [19:10] <muxx> is it not possible to build gcc for intermediate use, but not to put it in the resulting filesystem tree ? [19:11] <muxx> seems to me like a clear distinction between something that is required for build and what is put in the result [19:11] <fake> of course it is! [19:11] <muxx> build.sh ? [19:12] <fake> yes! [19:12] <muxx> ok, sorry. I am being stupid [19:12] <fake> the 'generic' target you probably used just assumes that you want everything built on the media [19:12] <muxx> I just could not believe that this option is not readily available already [19:12] <fake> it is - it's the 'your distribution' part ;-) [19:13] <fake> you create your own target/* subdirectory for that and other purposes [19:13] <fake> for example, in target/mydistro you can create pkg_<packagename>.conf files, that replace <packagename>'s .conf file [19:14] <fake> for building your distrbution, target/mydistro/build.sh gets called [19:14] <fake> from there, you kick off the package build loop [19:14] <fake> but what you do after that and/or before that is up to you! [19:17] <fake> creating bootable cd ISOs, package indexes, etc, are just services offered, not enforced. [19:19] <muxx> I understand that it is flexible through scripting [19:20] <muxx> I just don't quite get why there is no _easy_ way of telling the build system what packages should not be put in the resulting tree. for example, a flag against gcc telling not to copy it there, would help. rather than having to edit the scripts manually [19:22] <fake> muxx: there are implementations doing what you want. just take a look. [19:23] <muxx> what particular implementations ? [19:23] <fake> muxx: bootdisk? [19:23] <muxx> allright [19:23] <fake> muxx: you are more than welcome to create an API offering the functionality in a generic way [19:23] <muxx> 8) [19:24] <fake> ;) [19:24] <fake> sorry i'm so harsh today [19:24] <muxx> just giving you an idea, you know. there is X and O, maybe there can be I which means that the package should not be put there [19:25] <muxx> you are helping, this is the most importnt thing [19:25] <fake> i don't think that would be a fitting place [19:25] <fake> the X and O are build instructions. at that point, what should get installed where is absolutley irrelevant. [19:27] <muxx> of course you know the concept better [19:29] <muxx> sorry, I know how annoying it is when someone who did not grasp the concept comes and starts to give suggestions 8) [19:35] <fake> ah, nevermind [21:23] muxx (n=muxx@muxxik.force9.co.uk) left irc: "Jesus Saves! (And Esposito scores on the rebound!)" [21:37] <owl> re [21:48] <nookie__> https://german-bash.org/10445 [21:48] <nookie__> lol [21:48] <nookie__> wb owl [21:49] <owl> thx [22:16] _Ragnar_ (i=loki@216.250.77.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:24] Nick change: nookie__ -> nookie [22:41] _Ragnar_ (i=loki@216.250.77.230) joined #rocklinux. [23:05] ija_ (n=ija@84.19.217.66) joined #rocklinux. [23:21] ija (n=ija@84.19.218.27) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:00] --- Mon Aug 7 2006