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00:40 < rekcah> hi Lorini , Ge0rG
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00:46 < rekcah> re
00:46 < Lorini> hi
00:50 < werwerawer> is this a new distribution of linux
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00:54 < rekcah> not so new, see www.rocklinux.org to get more info
01:10 < rekcah> is there something more secure and better than nis/yp for managing net accounts ?
01:18 < tsa> openldap might do, but i'd still prefer nis ..
01:18 < rekcah> why ?
01:19 < rekcah> lots of user at this uni have lame passwords, and u could guess 200 of them in a couple of hours, when using nis. btw.. what is different between ldap and nis ?
01:19 -!- rekcah is now known as demian
01:20 < tsa> i've seen and used openldap for user accounts on several linux distros and it never was really stable..
01:20 < demian> what da u mean with stable ?
01:20 < demian> in which sense it isnt stable i mean
01:21 < tsa> slapd crashing, replication not working, ..
01:21 < tsa> unusable db files after crash from which data could not be recovered..
01:22 < demian> ah
01:23 < demian> anyways ill try it, and i will see. thanx :)
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02:11 < rekcah> re
02:12 < rekcah> mike1 implemented a jawmail server for linux.edu, what is the url ?
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02:59 < tomik> hello
02:59 < rekcah> hi tomik
03:00 < rekcah> and bye all
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03:35 < rekcah> re
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07:33 < blindcoder> moin
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09:27 < esden> hi all
09:27 < blindcoder> moin esden
09:27 < esden> I did it .. I managed it to get to munich ;-)
09:27 < esden> hi blindcoder 
09:28 < esden> blindcoder: how did you like the "autobahn" ? ;-)
09:29 < esden> hmm ... blindcoder ? you died ?
09:29 < blindcoder> hmm
09:29 < blindcoder> one hour late
09:29 < blindcoder> still the first @work :D
09:30 < blindcoder> no, I'm currently trying to recycle^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hfind useful code in chat.pl :)
09:31 < esden> urgh
09:31 < esden> have fun
09:31 < esden> what do you need from chat.pl ?
09:32 < blindcoder> network-code
09:32 < blindcoder> the whole thing aroun $sel
09:32 < blindcoder> brb
09:32 < esden> .oO(chat.pl seems to be a reference code for all our perl projects ;-) )
09:33 < owl> moin
09:33 < esden> moin owl *hug*
09:34 * -> esden very happy that he got to munich ;-)
09:34 < owl> esden: ?
09:34 < owl> why happy about going to munich
09:35 < esden> owl: because I was not far from death ;-) 
09:35 < esden> now I am happy to see you all alife ;-)
09:36 < owl> esden: pardon?!! *schocked*
09:36 < esden> owl: what do you not understand in "I am happy to be alife" ?
09:36 < blindcoder> re
09:37 < owl> i don#t understand why "not far from death"
09:37 < owl> or better: why?
09:37 < blindcoder> owl: every time you get into a car you are in that state
09:37 < blindcoder> even more so during rush hours on the A9
09:38 < esden> and even more during such weather ;-)
09:39 < blindcoder> yes...
09:40 < owl> urgs
09:42 < blindcoder> hmm... strange...
09:43 < blindcoder> esden: any idea how chat.pl handles data > 1024 Bytes?
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09:44 < blindcoder> *orgs*
09:44 < blindcoder> 4get it...
09:44 < blindcoder> me bein stupid again
09:44 < esden> blindcoder: ???
09:45 < esden> blindcoder: have you read the mail from fake on rlml ?!?
09:46 < esden> argh I once more forgot to start the ssh daemon on my machine at home >_<
09:46 < esden> GRRRRRRR
09:47 < esden> I need to finally alter init scripts at home >_<
09:49 < blindcoder> hehe
09:49 < blindcoder> the one regarding MIPS?
09:51 < esden> YES ! *jumparound*
09:51 < esden> that is a _very_ good message for rock !
09:51 < blindcoder> hehe :)
09:52 * -> esden answered already
09:52 < blindcoder> yes I saw it
09:52 < esden> I think for such good work he should be lauded
09:54 < blindcoder> well it's good that it's there but I think it's going to be used about as much as the LPP will
09:56 < esden> L
09:56 < esden> LPP will be used more then you think 
09:57 < esden> and the mips port is a very good proof that rock is a portability master
09:57 < esden> and it will be used sooner or later
09:57 < esden> as a basis for mips distributions that you can run on your cobalt servers and palmtops
09:58 < blindcoder> I'm currently doing a test-build of a very clumsy ROCK-LPP implementation just to see if I got the kernel params et al right
09:58 < esden> do not see everything so negative ...
09:58 < blindcoder> I don't see _everything_ negative, y'know
09:58 < blindcoder> Getting my "CD-Wechsler" for my car on the 24th isa very positive thing :D
10:00 < esden> hmm ... I can imagine that you have been enthusiasted by the CDchanger of matze ... am I right?
10:01 < esden> how can I concat ps files ?
10:01 < esden> is there a program to make from several ps files one file ?
10:01 < blindcoder>  esden not really, but the songs on radio are getting me depressed so I needed a change
10:02 < blindcoder> hmm... dunno... never messed around with them
10:02 < esden> grr
10:02 < blindcoder> and since they had no cd-Player there but only a changer I took it for 350
10:03 < esden> aha ... ok
10:04 -!- Lorini_ is now known as LoriAW
10:04 < blindcoder> well, 290 + work
10:06 < blindcoder> brb
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10:12 < blindcoder> hehe
10:13 < blindcoder> Greg snapped completely :D
10:15 < blindcoder> hmm... who was it that said "If you need more than three levels of indention, you're screwed anyways?"
10:23 < kasc> sounds like someone who never had latin at school...
10:23 < kasc> hiyas, btw
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10:24 < esden> hi kasc 
10:24 < esden> kasc: what do you want with latin ?
10:24 < blindcoder> hi kasc
10:24 < blindcoder> latin???
10:24 < esden> latin sux anyway ;-)
10:24 < blindcoder> WEE
10:24 < kasc> esden: have you ever read tacitus?
10:24 * blindcoder can reproduce the bchat-bug! :)
10:25 < esden> blindcoder: o_O
10:25 < esden> blindcoder: another one ?
10:25 < blindcoder> esden: the one with the Socket
10:25 < esden> blindcoder: cool !
10:25 < esden> kasc: nope
10:25 < blindcoder> esden: it's $cl->peerhost() that causes the error
10:25 < owl> *argh*
10:25 < esden> kasc: should I ?
10:25 < blindcoder> esden: we use it on "Connection closed to ".$cl->peerhost()
10:25 < esden> blindcoder: that was clear that is this 
10:26 < esden> but which one ... ahh ok
10:26 < kasc> if you want to decode the meaning of his sentences, you will need far more than 3 levels of indention
10:26 < blindcoder> esden: but there the socket IS already closed, so it SIGINTs
10:26 < esden> blindcoder: uncomment the debug line 
10:26 < blindcoder> I will
10:29 < esden> blindcoder: in lkml they hack around fb_logo ;-) that may interest you 
10:29 < blindcoder> *urks* that means that LPP will have to undergo a major rewrite in 2.4.21, doesn't it?
10:30 < esden> seems so ...
10:30 < esden> blindcoder: do you want the thread ?
10:30 < blindcoder> >_<
10:30 < blindcoder> yes, please
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10:35 < esden> blindcoder: https://www.esden.net/rocklinux/logo
10:35 < esden> but I think that there be more ... so the best you could do is to subscribe yourself
10:35 < esden> ;-)
10:35 < esden> to both lkml and fbdevel
10:35 < blindcoder> brb
10:39 < blindcoder> nah
10:39 < blindcoder> no time to read them
10:44 < esden> bleh ... :P
10:45 < blindcoder> I have barely time to sort through my Animes, much less read them
10:46 < blindcoder> But I like it that way :)
10:48 < esden> so you do not think about dumb  things because you have no time for it ...
10:48 < esden> do I understand you right ?
10:49 < blindcoder> hmm... yes, you could put it that way
10:49 < blindcoder> although I wouldn't use "dumb"
10:52 < esden> how would you call it then ?
10:52 < blindcoder> less important
10:57 < esden> aaha
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11:00 * blindcoder installing Crypt::Generatepassword on apollo
11:02 < esden> errrm
11:02 < esden> hehe
11:03 < esden> be carefull ... 
11:04 < blindcoder> why?
11:04 < blindcoder> it installed just fine :)
11:04 < esden> good ... puhh
11:07 < blindcoder> *ARGH*
11:07 < blindcoder> I forgot half of my work again >_<
11:08 < esden> o_O
11:08 < blindcoder> I had to wriite some script
11:08 < blindcoder> these scripts create/delete server settings
11:09 < blindcoder> like DB4Web, Tomcat and MySQL
11:09 < blindcoder> but I forget the ability to actually CHANGE something
11:11 < esden> ups
11:14 < blindcoder> yes...
11:14 < blindcoder> and doing a del / add combination isn't satisfactory
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11:35 < esden> cu all
11:35 * -> esden -> learn
11:37 < blindcoder> have fun :)
11:46 < fake> hi
11:48 < blindcoder> moin
11:58 < owl> hi fake
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13:03 < owl> someone knows if huebi is still alive?
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15:15 < Mike1> moin\
15:15 < owl> hi Mike1
15:15 < blindcoder> moin Mike1
15:15 < Mike1> hi owlita und blindy
15:21 < owl> while (CurrentChar+15>Math.Pow(16,nExp-1))
15:21 < owl> aaaaaaargh
15:22 < blindcoder> hae?
15:23 < owl> ??
15:24 < blindcoder> what is this supposed to do?
15:27 < owl> blindcoder: it's c#... and part of a license gen
15:28 < Mike1> owl: so why do you paste it here?
15:30 < blindcoder>  Mike1 she became a professional cracker and reverse engineer
15:30 < blindcoder> hmm... easy way of creating a license key:
15:31 < owl> i had this stuff in the memory.... and my mouse had strange behaviour...
15:31 < blindcoder> md5_base64(md5_binary(md5(givenName.surName.(money_Paid*year_of_completion).companyName.string_i_chose)));
15:32 < blindcoder> bonus points if year_of_completion doesn't refer to that but to the actual year thus having to renem registration every year :D
15:35 < Mike1> blindcoder: professional cracker ....
15:36 < blindcoder> yeah, she's smoking crack like a pro :D
15:36 < Mike1> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
15:39 < blindcoder> but maybe she just cracked :)
15:39 < Mike1> i liked the first idea more
15:39 < Mike1> *g
15:41 < owl> WEEEEE! it builds!
15:41 < blindcoder> :)
15:42 < Mike1> owl: stoned?
15:42 < owl> np: corvus corax - totus floreo
15:42 < owl> Mike1: nope. c#ed
15:42 < Mike1> mm...
15:42 < owl> and rocked a bit
15:42 < owl> now the kernel builds... *hrhr*
15:43 < owl> Mike1: do you know if huebi is alive?
15:43 < blindcoder> how long will it do so? :D
15:44 < owl> blindcoder: dunno.. but stil... and normally it already should have failed... (in stage 3. rock-1.5)
15:44 < Mike1> owl: no i don't i wrote him an email several days ago and had reply yet, he never takes long to reply to my emails
15:45 < owl> hm...
15:46 < Mike1> owl: what do you neeD?
15:46 < blindcoder> I think she needs some "special treatment" :D
15:46 -!- LoriAW is now known as Lorini
15:46 < owl> nothing important
15:46 < owl> hi Lorini
15:46 * blindcoder running away as fast as he can
15:46 < Mike1> owl: th have been very involved on the 1.6 tree lately, he might be able to help you
15:46 < Mike1> blindcoder: run like hell
15:47 * blindcoder shouts "Hi Lorini" while rushing by her
15:47 < Mike1> hi Lorini
15:47 < Lorini> uh :) hi *smile*
15:48 < owl> Mike1: i know.
15:48 * Mike1 can't believe he has been forced to do asp code this mourning >_<
15:48 < Mike1> arrggg
15:49 < blindcoder> hmm... she doesn't come after me...
15:49 < blindcoder> nor has she thrown any explosives or cutting objects after me...
15:50 < Mike1> blindcoder: thats because you said the truth
15:50 < Mike1> :)
15:50 * Mike1 now ready to run
15:50 < blindcoder> Mike1: maybe :)
15:50 < blindcoder> Mike1: I still have a seat next to me behind the strenghtened glass :)
15:51 < Mike1> hehe
15:53 < Mike1> fsckmore work
15:53 < Mike1> brb
15:57 * blindcoder going home
15:57 < owl> bye blindy
15:59 < owl> == 14:29:31 =[3]=> Building base package linux [2.4.20 1.6.0pre3].
15:59 < owl> << how many hours does a kernel build need? *confused*
16:01 < Mike1> owl: cpu?
16:01 < owl> 1.8 mhz
16:04 < owl> hm. k. finished
16:07 < owl> bye
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16:30 < rekcah> hi
16:30 < Mike1> *yawn*
16:30 < Mike1> hi rekcah
16:30 < rekcah> hi Mikey
16:31 < Mike1> yes Lorini i am wake
16:31 * rekcah in the Uni
16:31 < rekcah> :(
16:31 < Mike1> rekcah: did you need me earlier today?
16:31 < Mike1> rekcah: enjoy classes :PPPPPPPP
16:31 < Lorini> Mike1: i just didnt want to disturb you.. so i didnt ask :)
16:32 < rekcah> Mike1: what da u think about migrate the electronics labs of the ITCR to Linuxes ?
16:32 < Mike1> my friends don't disturb me
16:32 < Mike1> rekcah: i think it is best thing it could have ever happened to them
16:33 < rekcah> and what if u help me ?
16:33 < rekcah> btw.. the person that asked me about place a emprise network with linuxes never called me :(
16:34 < Mike1> rekcah: when? how many boxes? is there money involved?
16:34 < Mike1> *g
16:34 < rekcah> around 30 pcs, fast PCs, and .. i though as a voluntary act :p
16:35 < Mike1> rekcah: when?
16:35 < rekcah> how are u btw ? nice to see u hackdaworking again
16:35 < Mike1> rekcah: i am good thanks, and you?
16:35 < rekcah> Mike1: i have to talk clearly with them first
16:35 < Mike1> when would you like to do such migration?
16:35 < rekcah> fine, a bit depressed and tired, cause of uni :(
16:36 < Mike1> talk to then, gimme some dates and i will get the team to contribute on it
16:36 < rekcah> dunno, lemme talk with them
16:36 < Mike1> i will join the fun too i there are not many projects
16:38 < rekcah> k
17:24 < Mike1> rekcah: when will you speak to them? what distro will be installed?
17:24 < rekcah> dunno, mauybe redhat
17:24 < rekcah> now i must leave -> classes
17:24 < Mike1> rekcah: haha enjoy
17:25 < Mike1> rekcah: come back later so we can talk more about that
17:25 < rekcah> after 12:20pm
17:25 < rekcah> cya
17:25 < Mike1> oki heg da
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17:50 < bemol> has anyone here used tripwire? .i have some problems with its cron job and email notifications
17:50 < bemol> exim,sendmail, qmail,postfix, etc are all over the top for the simple task i want to achieve
17:50 < bemol> i have a box which is going to be a dns server running only bind and ssh. i installed tripwire and want it to send an email notification to bemol@mydoamin.com. At the moment i am testing this, i have a box called mail-server.mydomain.com and a another called dns-server.mydomain.com on a LOCAL connection. i can send mail from the dns server to the mailserver using telnet but i can not send mail using the mail command(which comes with mailx
17:51 < bemol> but question is how can tripwire send an email notification to bemol@mydomain.com? tripwire is on the dns server. i do NOT want a mail server running on the dns server!
17:54 -!- Lorini is now known as LoriAW
18:00 < bluefire> bemol: write a script. netcat is a fine tool for such stuff.
18:07 < bemol> bluefire: can you plz be more specific? i have no scripting skills
18:07 < bemol> and the task seems so simple yet no one has given me a solution
18:08 < bluefire> bemol: easy. did you ever talk to a smtp server using telnet?
18:13 * Mike1 preparing some mp3's for owl ...
18:14 < bemol> yes
18:24 < rekcah> re
18:25 < rekcah> damn, to day i just come to Uni to walk around. no calc classes today :(
18:29 < Mike1> haha
18:29 < bluefire> bemol: well, then you just write to a file what you would normally tell the smtp server over telnet and then pipe the file to your smtp server using netcat.
18:29 < Mike1> rekcah: so?
18:30 < rekcah> im back.. but ill try to learn asm soon
18:30 < rekcah> i need a book called "learn asm in 3 days" to finish a project for next week
18:30 < rekcah> :(
18:56 < rekcah> umm
18:57 < rekcah> what do i need for putting a cvs server trhough ssh ?
18:58 < tfing> not much
18:58 < rekcah> when i try to run my cvs with a cmd like rock 1.5's repos, it ask for the /home/user directory
18:58 < tfing> cvs and sshd
18:58 < rekcah> so, should a system account be created ?
18:58 < tfing> yep
18:58 < tfing> hmm
18:59 < rekcah> ic, and i suppose cvs modules and thigs are put in the user's home dir ?
18:59 < tfing> nope
18:59 < rekcah> then ?
18:59 < tfing> they go in the specified cvsdir
18:59 < rekcah> and where does one set it ?
18:59 < tfing> anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs <- in /cvs in this example
18:59 < rekcah> cvsdir
19:00 < rekcah> umm, is that /cvs in the system / (root)
19:01 < tfing> i think so
19:01 < rekcah> and for this dir i should run cvs /cvs init too ?
19:02 < tfing> yes
19:02 < tfing> just like a cvs pserver repository
19:03 < rekcah> ah cool
19:03 < rekcah> thanx
19:03 < rekcah> :)
19:03 < rekcah> so.. anoncvs user in rock's cvs server doesnt have a passwd ?
19:03 < owl> re
19:03 < rekcah> owl!
19:04 < tfing> indeed
19:04 < owl> hi rekcah
19:04 < rekcah> Connection to cvs.rocklinux.de closed.
19:05 < tfing> i've done it 5sec ago
19:05 < tfing> and it was ok
19:06 < rekcah> no, it works, i was trying sth different
19:06 < tfing> ok
19:08 < rekcah> there are people here i still dunt know.. tfing , bemol , vectrax , hannes_ :p. rock channel isnt like when i came here sometime ago.. just huebi and some others :p
19:08 < tfing> i came sometimes
19:08 < tfing> but german speaking ..
19:09 < rekcah> ic
19:09 < tfing> but i'm using rock since a long time
19:10 < rekcah> nice
19:10 * Mike1 is rock newbie
19:10 < owl> Mike1: *lol*
19:10 < owl> tfing: define "a long time"
19:10 < rekcah> porr Mike1
19:10 < tfing> hmmm
19:10 < tfing> 3 years
19:10 < tfing> something like that
19:10 < Mike1> rekcah: yeah poor me :(
19:11 < tfing> make it 4 maybe
19:11 < owl> hm. k.
19:11 < Mike1> hmpf
19:11 < owl> tfing: which version did you start with? ;)
19:11 < tfing> 1.3.10 or 11
19:11 < rekcah> oh
19:11 < tfing> i shoud check my first post in the mailing list
19:12 * Mike1 started with 1.2
19:12 * rekcah with buggy 1.4
19:12 < owl> omg... all this "kuckident-rockers" *vbeg*
19:12 < Mike1> rekcah: hehehe well that was all i had to give you back them
19:13 < rekcah> only have a year :(
19:13 < rekcah> hehe
19:13 < Mike1> owl: what version did you started with? WinME?
19:13 < Mike1> *g
19:14 < owl> Mike1: no. xp :PPP
19:14 < rekcah> Mike1: are u skilled in asm for win32 ?
19:14 < Mike1> wow cool
19:14 < Mike1> rekcah: sorry no.
19:14 < rekcah> who is ?
19:14 < owl> <-- not asm
19:15 < Mike1> rekcah: ask a guy d3mian, if he ever shows up
19:15 < Mike1> *g
19:16 < rekcah> where can i find documentation about dynamic libraries .. for example.. to use LD_PRELOAD
19:16 < rekcah> ?
19:16 < Mike1> mm.. google?
19:17 < rekcah> https://www.linuxsymposium.org/2000/libraries.php
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19:18 < Mike1> saludos CyBuX
19:18 < owl> hi CyBuX
19:18 < CyBuX> hola Mike
19:18 < CyBuX> hi owl
19:18 < rekcah> Gigax Master!
19:18 < Mike1> https://www.gigax.com
19:18 < Mike1> i mean
19:18 < CyBuX> don rekcah
19:18 < Mike1> https://www.gigax.org
19:19 < Mike1> *g
19:19 < rekcah> https://www.gigax.com
19:19 < CyBuX> eso esta mejor, gigax.com nada que ver, gigax.org perfect
19:19 < rekcah> CyBuX is the leader of the gigax.com project
19:19 < CyBuX> no no no rekcah, no digas eso
19:19 < Mike1> hahahahaha
19:19 < Mike1> CyBuX: english please
19:19 < CyBuX> i am leader of the gigax.org
19:20 < CyBuX> project
19:20 < CyBuX> ok Mike, excuseme please
19:20 < Mike1> CyBuX: what about gigax.com ?
19:20 < Mike1> *vbeg*
19:20 < Mike1> CyBuX: just for you to know rekcah = d3mian
19:21 < rekcah> he knows already
19:21 < Mike1> CyBuX: no need to excuse is just that rock devs agreed that the official lang in the chan would be enlgish
19:21 < rekcah> hey
19:21 < CyBuX> yes, rekcah is the older d3mian :)
19:21 < rekcah> did u know there is a program to convert dynamic libraries to static ones ?
19:22 < CyBuX> i understand perfectly the rules of the channel
19:22 < Mike1> CyBuX: sure rekcah ... d3mian ... d3bian ... Master of all Geils
19:22 < Mike1> *gg
19:22 < CyBuX> jejejejjejej
19:22 < rekcah> this program could be helpful a lot
19:22 < Mike1> owl: before you ask, yes i know what geil mean
19:23 < owl> Mike1: i didn't follow the discussion... but.. "egal"
19:23 < Mike1> :)
19:24 < rekcah> umm, i cant find a good doc for dynamic libraries
19:24 < owl> Mike1: do you know corvus corvax?
19:24 < rekcah> Mike1: what page u shoed me last time using jawmail ?
19:24 < rekcah> i got openldap installed on scar, and i already download jawmail
19:24 < rekcah> also squirrelmail
19:24 < Mike1> squirrelmail sucks
19:25 < Mike1> jawmail is fine
19:25 < rekcah> what's the diff ?
19:25 < CyBuX> do you not like squirrelmail Mike?
19:25 < rekcah> and a replacement for nis/yp ?
19:25 < rekcah> tcr told me about use openldap too
19:25 < rekcah> in a cluster, but im not sure
19:26 < rekcah> he said me it is buggy
19:26 < rekcah> what da u think ?
19:29 < Mike1> CyBuX: i hate squirellmail
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19:30 < Mike1> CyBuX: uses squirrelmail?
19:31 < CyBuX> i probed squirrelmail on some server, and perfectly work
19:31 < Mike1> try jawmail :)
19:32 < rekcah> Mike1: what page u showed me last time using jawmail /
19:32 < Mike1> rekcah: all my customers use it
19:32 < rekcah> https://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html
19:32 < Mike1> so i guess one of then use it
19:32 < rekcah> but, say me some URL's
19:33 < Mike1> webmail.bpotec.com
19:33 < Mike1> webmail.horwath-cr.com
19:33 < Mike1> ...
19:33 < CyBuX> where i can find jawmail?
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19:34 < Mike1> CyBuX: https://www.jawmail.org/
19:34 < CyBuX> ok, thanks Mike
19:35 < Mike1> CyBuX: no problem
19:35 < rekcah> does i need to know about php to use jawmail ?
19:35 < Mike1> rekcah: not really
19:36 < Mike1> rekcah: but you will need mysql, apache (of course), php, also PHP's socket
19:36 < Mike1> aditional, use uw-imap, sendmail
19:36 < rekcah> mysql.. i dunt have it, i dunt know nth about data bases
19:36 < Mike1> and optionally install spamassassin
19:37 < Mike1> rekcah: the installer will do everything don't worry
19:37 < Mike1> also there is a good explanation on how to do it ur self
19:37 < rekcah> and squirrel mail also uses mysqol ?
19:38 < Mike1> rekcah: don't remember, i used it _LONG_ ago
19:38 < rekcah> strctly should i use mysql for putting a webmail ?
19:38 < Mike1> for jawmail yes
19:39 < Mike1> don't be lazy just get it working, believe it will be fun
19:39 < rekcah> where can i get mysql sources ?
19:40 < Mike1> https://www.mysql.org/
19:41 < rekcah> ok
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19:43 < armijn> re
19:43 < rekcah> im trying to make a bootable cd. and i did it. but i used some configuration like rock install-cdrom target does. but boot is different, and there are some thing i want to know.
19:43 < rekcah> what is the linurc file for ?
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19:44 < Mike1> hi armijn
19:44 < rekcah> how can i load several ramdisks before boot the kernel. like rock does: loading ramdisk. ... booting kernel..
19:44 < Mike1> 0_o
19:44 < rekcah> zer0_o
19:44 < Mike1> :)
19:44 < armijn> heh
19:44 < armijn> hi mike1
19:45 < Mike1> how are you armijn?
19:45 < Mike1> armijn: looking for owl?
19:45 < rolla> :p
19:45 < zer0_o> hi all =)
19:46 < armijn> mike1: not looking for owl...
19:46 < Mike1> hehe
19:46 < armijn> why would i be lookingfor owl?
19:46 < Mike1> yo zer0_o
19:47 < Mike1> armijn: dunno ask her
19:47 < armijn> you guys really think there's something going on between owl and me??
19:47 < rekcah> https://www.mysql.org/ is it down ?
19:47 < Mike1> rekcah: try .com
19:47 < zer0_o> whats up ?
19:47 < rekcah> ok
19:48 < Mike1> armijn: nah, we just like to bug, sorry i will stop the shit
19:48 < armijn> mike1: hihi, it is amusing :)
19:48 < armijn> mike1: I don't care at all :)\
19:48 < Mike1> armijn: Good
19:49 < armijn> mike1: maybe owl does...
19:49 < owl> hi armijn , rolla
19:49 < armijn> hi owl >:->
19:49 < Mike1> armijn: so?
19:49 < armijn> mike1: well, nuthin' :)
19:49 < rekcah> Mike1: https://www.mysql.com/products/index.html what should i download ?
19:49 < Mike1> :))
19:49 < owl> Mike1: *kill*
19:49 < Mike1> get mysql-max
19:50 < Mike1> owl: OH YEAH, kill me
19:50 < Mike1> :))
19:50 < owl> Mike1: *hr* froget ei
19:50 < owl> forget it
19:50 < rekcah> where is it Mike1 , cant find it in the products list
19:50 < armijn> *evil grin*
19:50 < Mike1> rekcah: arrg do i have to do everything? *gg*
19:51 < rekcah> can i say 'yes' ?
19:51 < CyBuX> Mike1: what is the last version of rock functional?
19:51 < CyBuX> 1.7?
19:52 < Mike1> rekcah: https://www.mysql.com/downloads/download.php?file=Downloads%2FMySQL-Max-3.23%2Fmysql-max-3.23.55-pc-linux-i686.tar.gz&mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fgd.tuwien.ac.at%2Fdb%2Fmysql%2F
19:52 < Mike1> CyBuX: rock 1.7 development tree, 1.6.0pre3 almost stable tree
19:53 < armijn> *almost stable*
19:53 < armijn> 1.6 is like, what, 1 year late?
19:53 < Mike1> armijn: more than a year
19:53 < armijn> and has the ultrasparc port been integrated for 1.6?
19:53 < CyBuX> ok, i would install rock on the server of electrical engineering at the university
19:54 < Mike1> armijn: sort off, i am getting X to work, but is hard to do things with huebi vanishing
19:54 < rekcah> CyBuX: :)
19:54 < Mike1> rekcah: nice coincidence dont you think?
19:54 < Mike1> CyBuX: cool, let us now how everythings turns out :)
19:55 < CyBuX> :)
19:55 < Mike1> rekcah: did you get the mysql-max source already?
19:55 < rekcah> but i wont install rock on a server !
19:55 < rekcah> Mike1: 1%
19:55 < Mike1> rekcah: someday you will
19:55 < rekcah> dunt think so
19:56 < Mike1> rekcah: holysh%t what kind of conection you got?
19:56 < armijn> mike1: vanishing?
19:56 < rekcah> my uni connection..
19:56 < Mike1> armijn: disapearing
19:56 < CyBuX> what do you think Mike about of rock on a server?
19:56 < Mike1> armijn: loosing contact for weeks / months ... you know
19:56 < armijn> mike1: as in, he left ROCK?
19:57 < armijn> mike1: ah...communication problems...I see...
19:57 < Mike1> armijn: is in he goes away for long periods of time, then come back make huge commits to cvs and disapears again
19:57 < armijn> mike1: then he's maybe the wrong person to do the stable tree....
19:57 < Mike1> CyBuX: well all the servers in my company are running rock
19:58 < CyBuX> ahh excellent
19:58 < rekcah> he is right
19:58 < Mike1> armijn: might be, but what we do about it? pjotr prins did some nice effords last year but then he was stopped
19:58 < rekcah> hat is linurc file for in the install-disks ?
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19:59 < armijn> mike1: stopped? by whom?
19:59 < Mike1> armijn: i don't doub he has the skills and knowledge to get it working, but his communication problem, have become a problem that affects the entire progress of 1.6
19:59 < Mike1> armijn: stopped by huebi, as he has the authority to do so.
20:00 < Mike1> armijn: as the maintainer only huebi can decide what goes in and what goes out, and when to release
20:00 < Mike1> armijn: i honestly lost interest after 1.6.0pre1 was released back in the first week of december 2002
20:00 < armijn> heh
20:00 < Mike1> as well did pjotr
20:01 < armijn> wrong organisation...
20:01 < Mike1> armijn: yeah
20:01 < Mike1> people like th and tcr have been very constant on the work, but still there is a major issue to fix
20:02 < Mike1> the root-disk is broken, and well a stable tree cant be released with this major bug don't you think
20:02 < armijn> well, no
20:02 < Mike1> ?
20:03 < Mike1> armijn: anyways tell me, what are you working on currently?
20:03 < armijn> MSc thesis
20:03 < rekcah> th and tcr have a lot of changelog space
20:03 < Mike1> rekcah: yeah they do
20:04 < Mike1> armijn: 0_o
20:04 < rekcah> where is huebi ?
20:04 < Mike1> rekcah: excellent question, let us all know when you get an answer
20:04 < rekcah> ?
20:05 < Mike1> anyways danmit i need to eat
20:05 * Mike1 away having luch
20:05 < rekcah> could someone gimme a hand with creating a boot disk?
20:05 < rekcah> well, i already created it, but i need to manage some ramdisks things
20:06 < Mike1> dd if=boot-disk.img of=/dev/floppy/0
20:06 < rekcah> umm
20:06 < rekcah> cdrom bootdisk
20:06 < rekcah> with ramdisks
20:06 < Mike1> :)
20:07 < rekcah> rock install-cdroms target is strange
20:07 < Mike1> ask me again _after_ i eat
20:07 < Mike1> cu later
20:07 < rekcah> go fast
20:09 < rekcah> i created it, and it boots fine. and use a ramdisk as root. and also mount the cdrom itself in the /usr partition.
20:09 < rekcah> but, how can i load more than one ramdisk ?
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20:24 < armijn> heh
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20:30 < rekcah> re CyBuX
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20:46 < ScareCrow_> hi all
20:47 < rekcah> hi ScareCrow_
20:47 < ScareCrow_> i did some gentoo a while back...
20:47 < ScareCrow_> now i saw rocklinux somewhere on the net, how does it compare, does it have the same autimation as gentoo...
20:47 < tfing> there's no autokick on the word gentoo ? :)
20:48 < ScareCrow_> is configuration comparable with redhat? debian? ... or does it have it's own config structures...
20:48 < ScareCrow_> with this i mean the structure of "/etc"
20:48 < tfing> it's a classic /etc
20:49 < rekcah> ScareCrow_: it is source based too. but it allows u to use cross build, and some other advanced functions. there is doc about rock available in www.rocklinux.org
20:49 < tfing> just a few conf files in /etc/conf
20:49 < tfing> rock is bash-based / gentoo is python-based
20:50 < tfing> there's no dependency management in rock
20:51 < tfing> among the fun stuff, you can do a cluster build of rock
20:51 < owl> hi ScareCrow_
20:52 < ScareCrow_> aha
20:52 < ScareCrow_> cluster build, well, i haven't got a cluster at home, but it's still a nice feature
20:52 < ScareCrow_> no dependancies... :-(
20:53 < ScareCrow_> but can it autodownload packages like debian does...
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20:54 < tfing> to add a package, you do that (in general) :
20:54 < tfing> ./scripts/Download -package package; ./scripts/Build-Pkg package
20:54 < tfing> and that's it
20:57 < ScareCrow_> aha
20:57 < ScareCrow_> the stack smash protector is also cool
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21:00 * Mike1 is back
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21:49 < Be-El> hi ppl
21:50 < owl> hi Be-El
21:50 < rekcah> hi Be-El
21:55 -!- LoriAW is now known as Lorini
21:58 < rekcah> what are IT projects /
22:07 * Mike1 almost falling over his keyboard
22:07 < Mike1> i need more coffee
22:07 * rekcah hits Mike against the wall !
22:08 < rekcah>  [ nagoya ] ~ > yppasswd
22:08 < rekcah> yppasswd: yppasswdd not running on NIS master host ("tigris.ic-itcr.ac.cr").
22:08 < rekcah>  [ nagoya ] ~ >
22:08 < rekcah> oh oh.. someone dunt want me to change password..
22:08 < Mike1> hahahahaha!
22:09 < rekcah> ypchfn: yppasswdd not running on NIS master host ("tigris.ic-itcr.ac.cr").
22:09 < rekcah> also dunt want me to change my info..
22:10 < rekcah> argg
22:12 < rekcah> cool tool
22:12 < rekcah> reducebind.c
22:17 < owl> <-- going to enjoy sleeeeeeeping
22:18 < Mike1> nacht owly
22:18 < owl> ciao Mike1
22:18 < Mike1> *hug*
22:18 < rekcah> dream with me wo
22:19 < owl> rekcah: pardon?
22:19 < Mike1> rekcah: Jesus christ you want her to have nightmares
22:19 < Mike1> ?
22:21 < rekcah> she is a nightmare by herself :p
22:21 < Mike1> rekcah: _NO_ she is not
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22:39 < rolla> Mike1: back to the sendmail fun :)
22:39 < Mike1> rolla :)
22:39 < rolla> yeah I am debugging some morons sendmail.cf
22:39 < Mike1> i am back into the OpenBSD fun
22:39 < rekcah> bah.. some intel guys have come..
22:40 < rolla> with a default hp install
22:40 < Mike1> rekcah: ask then the price for their risk processors
22:40 < Mike1> :)
22:43 < rekcah> lol
22:43 < rekcah> they have come to see me
22:43 < rekcah> :)
22:43 < Mike1> WTF?
22:43 < Mike1> so ask them ask them
22:44 < rekcah> what is the name of one of those intel processors ? i forgot the names..
22:44 < Mike1> err... Alpha?
22:44 < Mike1> *ggg*
22:45 < rekcah> no no.. um, Duron is one.. i guess.
22:45 < rekcah> ill ask them better
22:45 < Mike1> :P
22:46 < rekcah> hehe, no, they have come to see how lazy is people here, and to see them having fun
22:47 < Mike1> rekcah: you should send them over to qubit_'s so they can see lazyness on it pure essence
22:47 < rekcah> lol
22:53 < Mike1> but hey you are his prentice so it will be the same soon
22:54 < rekcah> what is prentice ?
22:54 < Mike1> rekcah: aprendis
22:54 < rekcah> what should be the permissions for the /var/mail dir ?
22:54 < rekcah> :p
22:54 < Mike1> 777
22:55 < Mike1> *g
22:55 < rekcah> why so ? so .. whoever is able to write there ?
22:55 < Mike1> rekcah: i am kidding
22:55 < Mike1> Read sendmails docs :)
22:56 < rekcah> [ unknown ] > l /var/ | grep mail
22:56 < rekcah> drwxrwxrwt    2 root     root         1024 Feb  6 05:03 mail
22:56 < rekcah> [ unknown ] >
22:56 < rekcah> umm...
22:57 < rekcah> i have them so.. but whoever is able to write, and pine also say i must have 7777 permissions
22:58 < rekcah> what does that 't' at the end of drwxrwxrwtmeans ?
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23:00 < tsa> hi
23:00 < rekcah> tsa!
23:00 < rekcah> sebastian
23:01 < tsa> hi rekcah
23:02 < rekcah> does the ROCK_FL_WRAPPER works fine ?
23:02 < rekcah> when loaded from LD_PRELOAD
23:02 < tsa> i think so...i don't remember having experienced any problems with it.
23:03 * rekcah willl try to understand it..
23:04 < rekcah> how can i make a simple copy a file to a other one, in C? using read and write only ?
23:04 < tsa> i didn't take a closer look at it, but basically it does nothing but intercept some file-modifying calls..
23:05 < rekcah> aha. yes, like a listener
23:06 < rekcah> fl_wrapper.c  fl_wrparse.c
23:06 < rekcah> what is the function of each one of those .c ?
23:08 < rekcah> fl_wrapper.c -> the library as i see
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23:10 < rekcah> how does it really works ? listen for system calls for writing in files ? like O_WRONLY and O_RD_WR ? like a strace -e=write ?
23:11 < tsa> probably.
23:12 < tsa> ..same for directories and {sym,hard}links..
23:12 * Mike1 leaving now
23:12 < Mike1> see you all tomorrow
23:12 < rekcah> cya Mike1
23:13 < tsa> cu Mike1
23:13 < rekcah> umm.
23:13 < rekcah> void handle_file_access_before(const char *, const char *, struct status_t *);
23:14 < rekcah> void handle_file_access_after(const char *, const char *, struct status_t *);
23:14 < rekcah> compare access to files two times
23:18 < rekcah> umm, wrapper logs entries from fopen,open, creat, creat64, mkdir, mknod, link, symlink, rename, utime(s)
23:19 < rekcah> is the rock 1.5 fl_wrapper the same than 1.7's ?
23:19 < tsa> don't know, but i think so
23:20 < rekcah> it doesnt seems to be so complex, ill learn a bit more about those dynamc libraries. (me downloading doc mentioned in fl_wrapper.c)
23:22 < rekcah> a question before go.. what is linuxrc file in the / root of the install cd ?
23:39 < tsa> dunno
23:40 < Be-El> it's the program that is started after boot up (instead of /sbin/init)
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