-!- Irrsi Log opened Wed Feb 12 00:00:40 2003
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[00:21] < owl> gn8
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[01:22] < holyolli> moin
[01:22] < Satg> moin holy
[01:22] < holyolli> hi satg
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[01:23] < Mike2> :)
[01:23] < holyolli> oh..hola mi
[01:23] < holyolli> ke
[01:23] < holyolli> ;)
[01:23] < Mike2> hehe hola ho
[01:23] < Mike2> ly
[01:23] < holyolli> como estas?
[01:23] < Mike2> demaciado bien gracias a Dios y tu?
[01:23] < holyolli> muy bien. a lot to learn
[01:23] < holyolli> ;-)
[01:23] < Mike2> holyolli: you never adviced me about ur trip
[01:23] < Mike2> holyolli: flying already?
[01:24] < holyolli> jepp
[01:24] < Mike2> cool
[01:24] < Mike2> how many hours you got?
[01:24] < holyolli> mike2: at the moment 7h
[01:24] < Mike2> nice nice
[01:24] < holyolli> mike: every day 1,5h flying time
[01:24] < Mike2> so no longer afraid?
[01:24] < holyolli> mike: plus 3h backseater
[01:24] < Mike2> sounds good
[01:24] < holyolli> mike: not at the moment
[01:25] < Mike2> holyolli: good, hope you will come by to cr soon :)
[01:25] < holyolli> mike: /me hopes that also
[01:25] < Mike2> btw i had a link for you somewhere mom
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[01:30] < tsa> ..
[01:31] < tsa> someone seems to just have lost his "link" ;-)
[01:32] < Mike2> :)
[01:32] < Mike2> hi tsa
[01:34] < tsa> hi Mike
[01:34] < tsa> 2
[01:34] < Mike2> :)
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[02:01] < c4y0> hello!!!!!!!!
[02:01] < Fremen> helo
[02:09] < Mike2> hi c4y0 and Fremen
[02:09] < Mike2> que mas c4y0?
[02:10] < c4y0> hola Mike2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:10] < Fremen> bien :)
[02:11] < Mike2> c4y0: long time not seen you around
[02:12] < c4y0> Mike2: now im working!!!! jejeje
[02:13] < Mike2> c4y0: congratulations
[02:13] < Mike2> anyways i have a bussiness meeting so i will talk to you some other time
[02:13] < Mike2> n8 all
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[02:14] < Fremen> n8
[02:22] < dreamind> nite :)
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[02:23] < Fremen> n8
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[03:26] < tsa> n8
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[07:11] < Mike2> moin
[07:11] < Mike2> ping [anders]
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[07:14] < blindcoder> moin Mike2
[07:14] < blindcoder> *grmpf*
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[09:34] < owl> hi
[09:34] < owl> aszlig: aszlig.net not reachable from outside as it seems...
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[13:21] < owl> re
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[13:28] < aszlig> rehi
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[13:41] < Ge0rG> *sigh* life suxx... I'm getting spam because my email-address is part of my irc hostmask... is it possible that it corelates to the web publication of #rocklinux logs?
[13:46] < Ge0rG> what I mean is: are you getting spam too? maybe from a person named william uwe, regarding fund transfers? maybe the hostmasks in the irclogs should be obfuscated? or am I just paranoid?
[13:52] < aszlig> hrm...
[13:52] < aszlig> try setting up spamassassin
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[14:09] < Ge0rG> hm... sounds like yet another workaround... I'll do more testing adn experiment with idents...
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[14:55] < satg> Hello people !!!
[14:55] < owl> hi satg
[14:55] < satg> Hi owl
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[15:15] < Mike1> moin all
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[16:06] < Mike1> eso juanca
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[17:02] < fake> esden: ping
[17:02] < Mike1> hi fake :)
[17:02] < fake> Mike1: hi! arp-spoofer ;)
[17:02] < Mike1> grr
[17:03] < fake> j/k
[17:04] < Mike1> :)
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[17:24] < esden> fake: reping
[17:24] < fake> esden: hi!
[17:24] < esden> hi fake !
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[17:25] < fake> btw, esden, blindcoder, webalizer is gone since we moved from mars -> apollo
[17:25] < tsa> hi
[17:25] < tsa> blindcoder: are you alive?
[17:26] < Mike1> tsa: quite a good question
[17:26] < Mike1> :)
[17:26] < tsa> hehe .. hi Mike1
[17:26] < Mike1> hola tsa :)
[17:26] < esden> hi Mike1, tsa
[17:26] < tsa> hi esden
[17:27] < esden> fake: no ... we have installed it afterwords
[17:27] < Mike1> hi esdy
[17:27] < fake> esden: i already mentioned it not running a few weeks ago, but you said we don't need it ;)
[17:28] < blindcoder> fake: no, because I used it up until the 10th of february
[17:28] < blindcoder> hi all, my mum just stormed into my croom demanding me to open a website
[17:34] < tsa> ahh
[17:35] < tsa> hi blindcoder
[17:35] < blindcoder> hi tsa :)
[17:35] < tsa> == 17:22:38 =[5]=> Building blindcoder/libgli [0.4 1.7-snapshot].
[17:35] < tsa> !> The package build aborted with the following config error:
[17:35] < tsa> !> libgli: Unknown package category: x11/library
[17:35] < tsa> !> libgli: Unknown package status: Unstable
[17:35] < tsa> !> Disable the 'Paranoia Check' config option to ignore suc ..
[17:35] < tsa> == 02/12/03 17:22:38 =[5]=> Aborted building package libgli.
[17:35] < esden> hi blindcoder
[17:35] < tsa> please fix.
[17:35] < blindcoder> ups...
[17:35] < blindcoder> tsa: will do, thanks
[17:35] < tsa> hehe..ok..
[17:35] < blindcoder> Maybe I shouldn't have disabled the Paranoia check since the "Found duplicate files"-Chock was added
[17:35] < blindcoder> hi esden
[17:36] < tsa> # ls *err|wc -l
[17:36] < tsa> 84
[17:36] < blindcoder> I had >300
[17:36] < blindcoder> and without the para-check ~90
[17:36] < tsa> hm...this is with para-check, i'm in stage 7 now..
[17:36] < tsa> i won't do stage 9 since too much stuff is broken.
[17:37] < blindcoder> hmm... maybe I should compile ROCK more often then :)
[17:38] < tsa> whoever introduced two bdb versions should be shot...that breaks most things..
[17:38] < blindcoder> hmm
[17:38] < tsa> ...and i'd very appreciate if someone could code a better linker for linux.
[17:39] < blindcoder> hehe
[17:39] < tsa> having a ld with run-path support would make many things a lot easier..
[17:39] tsa starts to like solaris.
[17:39] < Mike1> slowlaris?
[17:40] < fake> slooow...
[17:40] < fake> so damn slooooooow...
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[17:40] < tsa> hm...solaris 9 is ok, imho.
[17:40] < fake> on intel? ;)
[17:41] < tsa> NO!
[17:41] < fake> well, it indeed is usable on an dual USparc3 900 ;)
[17:41] < fake> with 2 Gigs of ram
[17:41] < tsa> on my u10 and on my ss20 with 1.5 cpu's :-(
[17:41] < fake> 1.5?
[17:41] < fake> counting the keyboard controller? ;)
[17:41] < tsa> 2x 125mhz, but the fpu is broken in one of them..
[17:42] < fake> oh -_-
[17:42] < tsa> :-((
[17:42] < tsa> still looking for a cheap replacement of upgrade..
[17:42] < fake> i have to admit i only had contact with solaris 9 on a blade 1000 with the above-mentioned config and on bigger servers
[17:42] < tsa> i wonder why you don't like it, then..
[17:43] < fake> but the 'desktop'-performance of solaris 8 gave me the creeps
[17:43] < tsa> ack. 8 is really slow..
[17:43] < tsa> cde sucks, anyway..
[17:43] < fake> solaris 9 is ok... ssh is in there by default. greate plus...
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[17:43] < fake> if only gnome2 were in it...
[17:44] < tsa> oh...gnome2.0 is available from sun..
[17:44] < tsa> released a few days ago..
[17:44] < Mike1> ack
[17:44] < fake> i know, but i isn't in solaris 9, so i will not have it on sun's internal sunrays pretty soon ;)
[17:44] < tsa> hehe
[17:45] < fake> they're still on solaris 8
[17:45] < tsa> ah
[17:45] < fake> what is the most significant change when you're a sysadmin between solaris 9 and 8 ?
[17:45] < fake> df -h works ;))
[17:46] < tsa> sun-ssh is a great step forward, but i has some problems when using protocol 2 and dsa-keys for authentication
[17:46] < fake> ACK
[17:46] < fake> i fell back to rsa1
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[17:46] < tsa> sun-ssh -> openssh works ok, but dsa-authentication doesn't work the other way round..
[17:47] < fake> jep. and of course i needed an ascii-armored key for in-shell-script-distribution... rsa1 is not very ascii-comptaible... :)
[17:48] < fake> bad evil uuen/uudecode hack
[17:49] < fake> does anybody know wether openbsd already got the usparcIII docs from sun?
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[17:51] < tsa> no idea..
[17:51] < fake> hm...
[17:51] fake had frustrating experiences with freebsd 5.0 for sparc64 this weekend
[17:52] < zer0_o> what happend? =(
[17:52] < fake> first of all sysinstall isn't usable if you don't know that Ctrl+N and Ctrl+P can replace the cursor keys
[17:53] < zer0_o> lol
[17:53] < fake> second, the complete xfree package is missing on the 2 (!) distribution cd's - but the option to install it is offered
[17:53] < fake> and third, the kernel panics when installing perl (much disk i/o)
[17:54] < zer0_o> ??
[17:54] < zer0_o> xfree is missing ?
[17:54] < fake> no idea...
[17:54] < zer0_o> i installed it =)
[17:54] < fake> if i select that in sysinstall, it complains about a mising tgz
[17:54] < fake> zer0_o: what machine?
[17:54] < zer0_o> i386
[17:54] < fake> i am talking about sparc64...
[17:55] < fake> (if xfree weren't included on i386, i wouldn't be able to read this ;)
[17:55] < zer0_o> ^^
[18:11] < zer0_o> fake
[18:11] < fake> wuff?
[18:11] < zer0_o> did you install winex?
[18:12] < fake> just wine, iirc
[18:13] < fake> wanted to play dod on a lan session ;)
[18:13] < zer0_o> wine doesn't support directx , right?
[18:13] < fake> of course it does!
[18:13] < fake> directx is about the one thing wine can do best - besides crashing ;)
[18:14] < Mike1> directx is for the birds
[18:14] < zer0_o> i thought winex was for directx 8.1 ?
[18:14] < fake> the... big birds. the ones with large claws...
[18:14] < Mike1> :))
[18:14] < Mike1> ls
[18:14] < Mike1> grr
[18:14] < fake> winex just has 'improved' support for directx
[18:14] < zer0_o> löl
[18:15] < zer0_o> ah
[18:15] < fake> the most thing in winex is if you pay for it, there is a copy-protection-circumvention for installshield in it
[18:15] zer0_o is going out with the dog =)
[18:15] < fake> i never found out what else is oh-so-different
[18:15] < fake> zer0_o: wuff wuff.
[18:15] < zer0_o> yeah ;)
[18:16] < zer0_o> fake, does it support dx 9 ?
[18:17] < zer0_o> ouch, dx 9 isn't out yet ^^
[18:17] < zer0_o> LOL
[18:17] < fake> it isn't?
[18:17] < zer0_o> is it ?
[18:17] < fake> no, i think it supports dx7 - or - something but that doesn't matter
[18:17] < Mike1> ask the birds
[18:17] < zer0_o> hehe
[18:17] < zer0_o> i will
[18:17] < fake> no game out there uses those features, iirc
[18:18] < fake> or they are backwards-compatible
[18:18] < fake> and only work if you have a gfx card faster than your processor
[18:18] < fake> hehe.
[18:18] < fake> damn games.
[18:18] < zer0_o> games are cool, but mostly not good written ...
[18:19] < zer0_o> i have really to go now
[18:19] < zer0_o> otherwise the dog get nervous ^^
[18:19] < fake> bye zer0_o !
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[19:56] < owl> hi
[19:59] < tcr> moin all
[19:59] < owl> hi tcr
[20:00] < owl> tcr: (or someone) ever "aufgeschraubt" a DEC 3000/300 LX
[20:00] < owl> ?
[20:01] < tcr> I might have unscrewed one at any time... but I'm not a hardware guy anyway, so i dont think i can help you with any issue on it
[20:01] < owl> *cries* thx.
[20:02] < owl> esden: *ping* ?
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[21:23] < armijn> re
[21:24] < owl> hi armijn
[21:24] < armijn> hi owl
[21:24] < armijn> believe it or not, I'm currently running ROCK...
[21:25] < owl> armijn: hehe ;) what happend?
[21:25] < armijn> well, I've got this hybrid ROCK/Debian on UltraSparc...
[21:25] < armijn> and decided to boot ROCK and then I noticed ssh wasm
[21:25] < armijn> ehr
[21:25] < armijn> wasn't broken
[21:26] < armijn> it was just that the network wasn't configured right
[21:26] < owl> hm. k
[21:26] < armijn> but I will install OpenBSD anyway
[21:26] < armijn> just to play with pf
[21:26] < armijn> I interviewed Bruce Perens today
[21:27] < armijn> was interesting
[21:28] < tsa> re.
[21:28] < tsa> hi armijn
[21:29] < owl> hi tsa
[21:29] < tsa> hi owl
[21:29] < armijn> hi tsa
[21:35] < tcr> armijn: where will it be able to be read from?
[21:36] < Mike1> well well look who is here
[21:36] < armijn> tcr: the interview?
[21:36] < Mike1> owl was starting to miss you armijn
[21:36] < tcr> yep
[21:36] < armijn> tcr: Linux Magazine NL
[21:37] < armijn> Mike1: of course, and you know I love her dearly, so I returned
[21:38] < owl> Mike1: don't tell lies
[21:38] < blindcoder> =me going to bed.
[21:38] < blindcoder> god night, everyone
[21:39] < owl> good night blindy
[21:42] < Mike1> nacht blindcoder
[21:43] < Mike1> owl: i am not the one saying that loves you
[21:43] < Mike1> armijn: so when is the wedding ? will i be invited?
[21:43] < Mike1> :)
[21:43] < tcr> hmm anyone knows when the uptime is overflowed?
[21:43] < armijn> tcr: after about 500 days :)
[21:44] < armijn> 497 days, 2 hours, 27 minutes and 53 seconds
[21:45] < armijn> mike1: maybe...
[21:45] < armijn> tcr: i fyou rally wanna know, check an article on https://e-zine.nluug.nl/
[21:45] < owl> Mike1: aeh?
[21:45] < armijn> about Linux uptime
[21:46] < tcr> already found
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[21:47] < tcr> uh, that scares me
[21:47] < armijn> they're replicating! AAAAAH!
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[21:47] < tsa> hm..we have two machines at work with recently overflowed uptime counters..
[21:47] < armijn> tsa: 2.2 kernels?
[21:48] < tsa> both with 2.2.19 kernels..
[21:48] < tsa> yes
[21:48] < armijn> check the article on e-zine.nluug.nl ;-)
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[21:49] < armijn> argh, got too many books I still need to read
[21:49] < Mike1> armijn: enjoy :)
[21:49] < armijn> mike1: urgh.
[21:50] < tsa> armijn: are you familar with sun ram?
[21:50] < armijn> tsa: you mean the forth stuff?
[21:50] < armijn> OpenBoot stuff?
[21:50] < tcr> armijn: me too
[21:50] < tsa> no. i have some problems with adding RAM to my ultra10.
[21:50] < armijn> ah, oh
[21:51] < armijn> well, it's pretty muich standard stuff...
[21:51] < armijn> buy it from Sun, add it, turn on power again
[21:51] < tsa> i know. edo ecc 3.3v buffered
[21:51] < tsa> no.
[21:51] < tsa> _that's_ the problem.
[21:51] < armijn> well, I only have SBus machines, with proprietary RAM chips
[21:51] < tsa> i already have 2x128mb in the machine
[21:52] < tsa> now i got another 2x128mb
[21:52] < tsa> power off, put RAM in, turn power on again. memory detected as 2x32mb
[21:52] < armijn> and?
[21:52] < tsa> ..which is not what i really want.
[21:52] < armijn> if you swap it?
[21:53] < tsa> already tried that.
[21:53] < tsa> no success.
[21:53] < tcr> tsa: passing mem= doesnt change anything?
[21:53] < armijn> the OpenBoot stuff detects only 2 * 32 MB?
[21:53] < tsa> exchanged modules, put only the new ones in and it comes up reporting a total of 64mb
[21:53] < tsa> yes.
[21:54] < tsa> tcr: passing mem= to what?
[21:55] < tcr> kernel
[21:55] < armijn> so, maybe these modules are wrong?
[21:55] < armijn> tcr: that's got no use
[21:55] < tsa> the new modules are part-no 370-3200-01, double-sided.
[21:55] < armijn> tcr: the OPB doesn't detect it
[21:55] < tcr> ok
[21:55] < tsa> the old ones have another part-no. and they are single sided.
[21:55] < tsa> sunsolve says they should work, but they don't.
[21:55] < armijn> tsa: call Sun helpdesk? ask ripclaw?
[21:56] < tsa> armijn: no contract. but i sure will call ripclaw tomorrow..
[21:58] < armijn> good
[21:58] < armijn> I should reboot...
[21:59] < armijn> test a disk
[21:59] < tsa> have fun..
[21:59] < armijn> dunno :)
[21:59] < armijn> it was a disk I got from a W2K server (Dell machine) which broke down
[21:59] < armijn> I'd love to have it in my Ultra1...
[21:59] < armijn> but I'm not sure if it still works
[21:59] < armijn> put some Sun sliders on it
[21:59] < tsa> scsi disk?
[21:59] < armijn> SCA
[21:59] < tsa> hm..ok.
[22:00] < armijn> like all good disks ;-)
[22:00] < tsa> will probably complain about disklabel and stuff.
[22:00] < tsa> format/fmthard should help
[22:00] < armijn> nah, just fdisk
[22:00] < tsa> linux?
[22:00] < armijn> da
[22:01] < tsa> hm..ok. no format/fmthard, then.
[22:01] < armijn> I don't care for the data
[22:01] < armijn> it was in a RAID-5 setup on W2K...
[22:01] < armijn> and the machine crashed hard
[22:01] < armijn> and is replaced by a tiny FreeBSD machine
[22:02] < tsa> raid is a good mechnism to ensure _all_ data gets corrupted on win2k..
[22:02] < armijn> oh, but this was a really special case
[22:02] < armijn> when one disk had failed and the machine was rebooted, it didn't find a boot device
[22:02] < armijn> turned out the controller didn't like a failed disk
[22:02] < armijn> so we upgraded the firmware
[22:03] < armijn> turned out Windows didn't like that version of the firmware
[22:03] < tsa> hehe
[22:03] < armijn> and another *CLUELESS* labadmin tried to "fix" it and crashed another disk
[22:03] < armijn> "see! it's not Windows' fault!"
[22:03] < armijn> that's what he said
[22:05] < armijn> so I kicked him out of the lab (more or less, he sensed bad vibes) and I installed a machine with FreeBSD, Samba, ISC dhcpd and it's been running like that for quite a while without problems
[22:05] < armijn> and that was the *REALLY* short version of the story :)
[22:06] < armijn> ok, I need to test that disk
[22:06] < armijn> I will be back for owl later...
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[22:13] < zer0_o> hi all
[22:14] < owl> hi zer0_o
[22:14] < zer0_o> hi owl, whats up?
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[22:17] < owl> re
[22:17] < zer0_o> re
[22:51] < demian> hi
[22:52] < Mike1> demian: :)
[22:52] < owl> hi demian
[22:52] < demian> i have webmail in scar already
[22:52] < Mike1> good
[22:52] < demian> Mike1: wanna see screenshots ?
[22:52] < demian> squirrelmail !
[22:52] < Mike1> you suck!
[22:53] < demian> hehe, i put it for a while
[22:53] < demian> cause im having probs with jawmail..
[22:53] < demian> it doesnt recognize i have php installed propertly
[22:53] < Mike1> demian: maybe because you didnt compile it properly
[22:53] < demian> i will hack it later
[22:53] < Mike1> sure
[22:54] < Mike1> squirellmail...man !
[22:54] < demian> no, it is well compiled, squirrelmails dunt have probs
[22:54] < demian> take it easy
[22:54] < demian> ill change it when i solve that little prob :)
[22:54] < demian> but..
[22:55] < Mike1> demian: sure it is easy squirrelmail is for mdk users
[22:55] < demian> i cant send messages, sendmail says that apache is not able to write to the queue dir
[22:55] < Mike1> i am starting to see the problem
[22:55] < demian> but the rest of users are able.
[22:56] < Mike1> it is not a software problem, its more an admin problem :)
[22:56] < demian> and.. the apache user, by itself dunt have probs to acess those dirs, and write to them
[22:56] < demian> well, probably
[22:56] < Mike1> read :)
[22:56] < demian> but.. even with 7777 permissions apache cant write there
[22:57] < Mike1> lol
[22:57] < Mike1> definitly an admin problem
[22:57] < Mike1> :)
[22:57] < demian> hehe
[22:57] < demian> Feb 12 14:21:30 scar sendmail[32756]: h1CKLSnS032756: SYSERR(apache): queueup: cannot create queue temp file ./tfh1CKLSnS032756, uid=2011: Permission denied
[22:57] < demian> when i su to apache, i can write and send mail like other user.
[22:58] < tsa> version?
[22:58] < demian> of ?
[22:59] < tsa> sendmail
[22:59] < demian> 8.12.6
[22:59] < Mike1> ah well i am off
[22:59] < Mike1> n8 all
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[23:00] < tcr> n8 mike
[23:00] < tsa> ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail
[23:00] < demian> im not on that host now.. but what da u want to see ?
[23:00] < tsa> permissions..
[23:01] < demian> it is suid, owned by smmsp.smmsp
[23:01] < tsa> suid?
[23:01] < tsa> strange.
[23:01] < demian> same happened when i installed inn
[23:01] tsa recommends sgid
[23:02] < tsa> -r-xr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 544820 Nov 29 22:02 /usr/sbin/sendmail
[23:02] < tsa> drwxrwx--- 2 smmsp smmsp 48 Feb 12 22:49 /var/spool/clientmqueue/
[23:02] < tsa> drwx------ 2 root root 48 Feb 12 22:49 /var/spool/mqueue/
[23:02] < demian> aha
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[23:04] < demian> well, first.. apache was complaining cause it was unable to read sendmail.cf. and after that.. the problem creating the queue
[23:04] < demian> Feb 12 14:21:30 scar sendmail[32756]: h1CKLSnS032756: SYSERR(apache): collect: Cannot write ./dfh1CKLSnS032756 (bfcommit, uid=2011, gid=201): Permission denied
[23:05] < tsa> sendmail.cf should be 644
[23:06] < demian> yes, i fixed it after see that, go+r permissions
[23:09] < tsa> permissions of submit.cf ?
[23:09] < demian> no..
[23:10] < tsa> no?
[23:10] < demian> apache seems to be able to send, but not to write queue.
[23:10] < demian> no
[23:10] < demian> why apache is reading those files, instead of use sendmail directly ?
[23:11] < tsa> apache executes sendmail, sendmail reads submit.cf
[23:11] < tsa> i'd guess /etc/mail/submit.cf is missing.
[23:11] < demian> well, sendmail is able to read submit.cf of course
[23:12] < demian> why u think so ?
[23:13] < tsa> had a similar problem a while ago..
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[23:13] < armijn> re
[23:13] < armijn> bwah, I hate this...disk is too big to fit in the case
[23:13] < demian> i will deep at that then, thanx
[23:13] < tsa> hehe
[23:14] < tsa> what kind of machine is it?
[23:14] < demian> hi armijn
[23:14] < armijn> tsa: Ultra1
[23:15] < armijn> so now I've to hook it up externally...
[23:15] < armijn> I hope I got the right cable for it
[23:15] demian uses a hard disk rack for those probs ;-)
[23:16] < armijn> yeah, well, that isn't gonna help me here now is it?
[23:16] < armijn> :)
[23:17] < armijn> tsa: disks are full height...so, doesn't fit...
[23:17] < armijn> either two half height, or one full height
[23:17] < demian> well, u have first to put the rack..which dunno if is gonna fit too :p
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[23:21] < demian> hi ringo30
[23:22] < ringo30> hi demian !
[23:22] < ringo30> all ok ?
[23:23] < demian> so so.. ur side ?
[23:25] < ringo30> rel ok .. trying to understand iptables :-( hmm got to read for 2 hour or so ...
[23:25] < armijn> use ipfilter
[23:25] < armijn> you'd have to install a BSD or Solaris for it, but it's worth it
[23:27] < demian> ip6tables
[23:27] < tcr> and then? he'd have to spend several hours for ipfilter? where are the advantagesß
[23:27] < armijn> you don' thave to spend several hours for ipfilter ;-)
[23:27] < ringo30> bedankt armijn oops dutch ;-)
[23:27] < armijn> that's the beauty of it
[23:28] < armijn> it reads like poetry...
[23:28] < tcr> you have to spend several hours for iptables either
[23:28] < tcr> dont
[23:28] < tcr> anyway, why dont you just use some of those graphical frontends?
[23:28] < armijn> not all this gibberish of input chains, output chains, temporary chains, backup chains and lots of other chains
[23:28] < armijn> no, just: filter that stuff on this interface, that stuff on that one
[23:29] < ringo30> Yeh i've read some things ... Armijn helemaaal gelijk, PREROUTING POSTROUTING ...
[23:30] < armijn> exactly
[23:31] < demian> what's the diff between iptables and ipfilter ?
[23:31] < armijn> demian: iptables is on Linux
[23:31] < armijn> ipfilter is on FreeBSD, NetBSD, Solaris
[23:32] < demian> but.. it is the same stuff about chains and tables, and targets ?
[23:32] < armijn> no
[23:33] < demian> so.. what changes ?
[23:33] < armijn> the operating system??
[23:34] < ringo30> tcr: Am looking for graph front end, what is a good one fwbuilder firestarter guarddog kmyfirewall shaorewall ?
[23:34] < demian> nevermind :/
[23:34] < tcr> fwbuilder looked good when I was trying it
[23:35] < tcr> havent tested the other ones though
[23:35] < ringo30> I'll give that a try
[23:35] < ringo30> eating cold bamischijf met mayo
[23:36] < armijn> that's disgusting
[23:36] < ringo30> hmm I love it !
[23:40] < demian> could someone remember me the format of the rule to maskerade ? (iptables)
[23:40] < demian> i need NOW to make a 192.168.0.0 net join with the 10.0.0.0 netword to make them able to connect to inet
[23:41] < armijn> demian: euh
[23:41] < armijn> NAT
[23:41] < demian> aha
[23:41] < demian> iptables - t nat ..what else ?
[23:41] < armijn> or renumber one of the networks
[23:42] < armijn> which is the easiest way
[23:42] < armijn> *if* you've got DHCP
[23:42] < armijn> smells like bad network design
[23:42] < armijn> :)
[23:42] < demian> this situation makes it impossible now.. maybe later
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[23:49] < ringo30> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INET_DEV -j MASQUERADE
[23:51] < ringo30> demain: any good ?
[23:51] < demian> yes, i just will add -i option, tahnx
[23:52] < ringo30> demain: ok, no probs.
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[23:57] < Be-El> hi ppl
[23:57] < demian> hi Be-El
[23:58] < Be-El> i've got a question about mine...if i remove a package, does it remove modified files of that package (in this case sysfiles and /etc/passwd /etc/groups....)
[23:59] < Be-El> and what happens if i install a new version of a package ?
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