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00:32 < Mike1> *yawn*
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01:11 < holyolli> moin
01:11 < tsa> moin holyolli
01:11 < holyolli> huhu tsa
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01:18 < holyolli> bennie!
01:18 < BenHur_> hi tere :)
01:19 < holyolli> ben: how are you? ;)
01:19 < BenHur_> holy: fine. a little sunless ;)
01:20 < holyolli> ben> hehe...but here it has also raining the whole day
01:20 < BenHur_> holy: nono ... you getteing the wrong meaning of the word sun ;)
01:21 < BenHur_> holy: btw ... what is this 320nff thing, anyways?
01:21 < BenHur_> holy: we happend to find something like that an a webserver near you ... well not as near, as ist was ... but anyways ;)
01:21 < holyolli> ben: it is the homepage of our class
01:22 < BenHur_> holy: how come, you did not share that little secret with us ;)
01:22 < holyolli> ben: well...i wanted to wipe out all bad pictures of me... ;)
01:22 < BenHur_> holy: ahhhyesss ;)
01:23 < holyolli> ben: but feel free to surf ;)
01:23 < BenHur_> holy: oehm ... already done that. it was hard to resist, you know
01:23 < holyolli> ben: no prob
01:24 < holyolli> :)
01:24 < holyolli> ben: if you want, i can give you some more pictures...of sun and warm temperatures :-P
01:25 < BenHur_> holy: sure ;)
01:25 < BenHur_> holy: anyways ... back to business. you've got m@il
01:25 < holyolli> ben: ack. i'll read it later
01:26 < BenHur_> holy: ok
01:28 < BenHur_> holy: und ansonsten habt ihr spass ... mal abgesehen von ... ich sage mal ... pool-parties?
01:29 < holyolli> ben: naja..unter der woche ist der mega-stress - das muss am we dann immer weggefeiert werden ;-)
01:30 < BenHur_> holy: soso ;)
01:30 < holyolli> ben: wobei wir naechstes we wohl nach sedona und grand canyon fahren werden
01:30 < BenHur_> holy: morgens lernen, nachmittags fliegen oder wie laeuft das?
01:30 < BenHur_> holy: hmpf .. ihr habts gut
01:30 < holyolli> ben: nope...morgens fliegen (so ca. 5-6h) und dann 3h unterricht; danach lernen fuer den naechsten tag
01:31 < BenHur_> holy: ah ..
01:35 < BenHur_> holy: wie spaet isses jetzt eigentlich bei euch?
01:36 < holyolli> ben: 17:35 (wenn meine rechneruhr stimmt)
01:45 < holyolli> h
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01:58 < tsa> ah.
01:58 < tsa> da isser ja wieder
01:58 < holyolli> jo
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02:18 < holyolli_> ...
02:19 < BenHur_> holy: ist dem internet in amiland so uebel?
02:19 < holyolli_> nein..der empfang vom accesspoint ist hier nen bisschen scheisse... ;)
02:19 < BenHur_> holy: tsts
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02:19 < BenHur_> .oO(prolet ;)
02:20 < holyolli_> ben: willste nen ap haben?
02:20 < holyolli_> ben: fuer $70 habe ich hier einen
02:20 < BenHur_> holy: was fuer einen?
02:20 < tsa> BenHur_: holyolli_ ist gar nicht in usa...das ist alles gefaked, guck doch mal auf die hostmask..
02:21 < BenHur_> tsa: verdammt. jetzt ich ichs auch! FAKER!!!
02:21 < BenHur_> bestimmt hat er sich irgendwo im keller versteckt oder so
02:21 < tsa> jajaja
02:21 < holyolli_> verdammt nun wissen sie es.. ;)
02:22 < BenHur_> jaja
02:24 < holyolli_> ben: von linksys
02:24 < holyolli_> ben: (der ap)
02:24 < BenHur_> holy: hm ... und du sitzt neben dem uns hast keinen empfang ... neee ...
02:25 < holyolli_> ben: nope ich geh grad ueber nen dlink...und der ist 150m entfernt
02:25 < BenHur_> holy: ah
02:26 < BenHur_> holy: ne sun sbus quad ethernet (nich fast) liegt da nicht zufaellig irgendwo rum, oder?
02:26 < holyolli_> ben: hm. ich glaube nicht
02:31 < tsa> https://www.320nff.de/gallery/Gesichter_2003_02/IMG_0138.jpg
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02:31 < holyolli> ...
02:31 < holyolli> ;)
02:31 < BenHur_> *lol*
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02:31 < tsa> nettes bild..
02:31 < holyolli> welches?
02:31 < tsa> https://www.320nff.de/gallery/Gesichter_2003_02/IMG_0138.jpg
02:32 < holyolli> naja..wir waren einkaufen..und da gabs diese muetze...
02:32 < holyolli> (zum glueck sind die fotos von der party nicht mit drauf..
02:32 < holyolli> ;)
02:33 < tsa> hehe
02:33 < holyolli> was wirklich abgefahren ist, dass man hier im walmart lustige sportgeraete kaufen kann
02:33 < holyolli> gleich neben den angelruten gibts doppellaeufige shotguns
02:34 < holyolli> gleich mit munition zum mitnehmen..nur fuehrerschein zeigen und schon hat man die
02:34 < tsa> au fein.
02:34 < tsa> admin-werkzeug.
02:34 < BenHur_> hehe
02:34 < tsa> kaufen haben will!
02:34 < holyolli> *fg* ack.
02:34 < BenHur_> holy: genau. bring mal nen satz fuere arbeit mit ;)
02:34 < holyolli> tsa: soll ich dir eine mitbringen? kosten nur 250$
02:35 < tsa> holyolli: koennte im zoll problematisch werden..
02:35 < tsa> BenHur_: denk einfach mal drueber nach...petrikat...rettweiler..
02:35 < tsa> ;-)
02:35 < holyolli> och...glaub ich nicht... ;) soll doch nen geschenk sein
02:35 < BenHur_> tsa: kaese .. dann rasiert dem holy sich ne woche nicht un kann als terrorist die ohne probleme durhc den zoll bringen *eg*
02:35 < holyolli> args..rettweiler..
02:35 < holyolli> *lol*
02:36 < holyolli> <-- holt sich mal grad nen miller... ;)
02:37 < tsa> *PATSCH*
02:37 < holyolli> heh
02:37 < holyolli> e
02:37 < BenHur_> *peng*
02:37 < holyolli> *g*
02:38 < BenHur_> .oO(userdel holyolli)
02:38 < holyolli> hehe
02:39 < BenHur_> holy: und? schmecks?
02:39 < holyolli> naja..geht...aber es gibt ja nix besseres
02:39 < BenHur_> holy: ich glaube ich koennte nie miller saufen ... da muesste ich immer an idioten denken
02:40 < holyolli> naja...irgendwann hast du soviel davon drin, dass du das auch nichtmehr tust
02:42 < BenHur_> holy: dann bricht man vielleicht bei walmart ein und nimmt sich so lart geraete mit und faehrt dann nach paderborn ;)
02:42 < holyolli> *g*
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02:42 < tsa> gute idee.
02:43 < holyolli> hi praenti
02:44 < tsa> moin praenti
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02:54 < holyolli> o.k. - i
02:55 < holyolli> ll go lerning now
02:55 < holyolli> cu
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02:57 < tsa> n8
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06:35 < blindcoder> moin
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09:16 < owl> *yawn* morning
09:27 < blindcoder> moin owly
09:30 < owl> hi blindy
09:30 < blindcoder> how's work?
09:46 < owl> blindcoder: dunno.
09:46 < owl> <-- reading mails :)
09:46 < blindcoder> tztz
09:46 < blindcoder> you should do your work instead of reading unnecessary mails
09:48 < owl> blindcoder: work - nothing available at present
09:48 < owl> (ok. starring to the monitr...=
09:50 < blindcoder> owl: you always complain about that there is too much to do and now you want to tell me that there's no work available?
09:51 < owl> yes
09:52 < owl> before next week i will not get any other work to do... cuz there is no one...
09:54 < blindcoder> oh
09:54 < blindcoder> then go home :)
09:55 < owl> *kick*
09:57 < blindcoder> what?
09:57 < owl> this was a "empfindlicher punkt"...
10:02 < blindcoder> why?
10:06 < owl> cuz i want to sleep and lying in my bed... but i can't *grml*
10:07 < blindcoder> that's why I say "go home"
10:07 < owl> and i say "i can't" *grml*
10:08 < blindcoder> why, when there is no work?
10:08 < blindcoder> I want to go home, too, but _I_ have to work for 7 more hours
10:10 < owl> i have to stay at work until 17:00 o'clock... so don't complain
10:10 < blindcoder> me, too
10:11 < owl> having hotline?
10:11 < blindcoder> yes
10:11 < owl> urgs.
10:12 < blindcoder> but nothing serious until now
10:12 < owl> hm.
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10:22 < owl> hi triqui
10:25 < blindcoder> moin triqui
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11:39 * blindcoder --> lunch
12:02 < blindcoder> re
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12:28 < tsa> hi all
12:29 < blindcoder> hi tsa
12:29 < tsa> hi blindcoder
12:29 < owl> hi tsa
12:30 < tsa> hi owlita *hug*
12:30 < tsa> praenti: alive?
14:29 < rolla> re
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14:31 < tcr> moin all
14:34 < owl> hi tcr
14:37 * tcr got to reconnect
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14:48 < tsa> anyone familar with current gfx cards?
14:48 < tsa> gf2 gts <-> gf4 ti4200
14:49 < tsa> (asus)  <-> (XFX)
15:07 < tcr> brb
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15:18 < esden> hi all
15:22 < blindcoder> hi esden
15:25 < esden> blindcoder: where are you ? what are you doing ?
15:26 < owl> hi esden
15:26 < esden> hi owl 
15:26 < blindcoder> esden: I'm in munich, still at work >_<
15:27 < blindcoder> *argh* could someone please teach Rene's MUA what a "In-Reply-To:" header is???
15:32 < tsa> hehe
15:33 < blindcoder> I'm always busy for ~10 minutes linking the threads together again >_<
15:33 < tsa> hm..
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16:03 < tcr> re
16:04 < Mike1> noin all
16:04 < Mike1> moin even
16:08 < tcr> moin Mike1
16:08 < tcr> still one the python and bonnie++ issue..
16:08 < tcr> both are compiling at the moment, I think I have fixed them now
16:08 < tsa> bbl
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16:13 < tcr> hum bonnie++ still not fixed
16:14 < tcr> Mike1: what floppies do i need? root-disk, combo-root, combo, boot-disk? and what's with the scsi-modules disk? (i have an IDE and a SCSI HD)
16:14 < owl> tcr: 1.5?
16:15 < tcr> yup
16:15 < tcr> 1.6pre3 to be exact
16:15 < tcr> actually I have a cdrom drive from which I could boot, but as the disk are said to be broken i wanna test them
16:16 < Mike1> tcr: the root disk will brake when trying to load the scsi modules
16:16 < Mike1> tcr: praenti said he is running pre1
16:17 < Mike1> very weird because root disk was already broken since then
16:17 < tcr> all disk are completely broken ?
16:17 < tcr> disks
16:18 < Mike1> tcr: root disks yeah
16:18 < tcr> u_u,
16:18 < Mike1> tcr: wonderfull don't you think?
16:19 < tcr> no panic on the titanic!
16:19 < tcr> python looks like it'd compile fine
16:19 < tcr> so now getting bonnie to work and then we'll see :)
16:20 < owl> tcr: you're kidding
16:20 < owl> python - running?!!! at least not here (started build some hours ago)
16:20 < tcr> yeah the patch was broken
16:21 < tcr> seems like 1.7 is using the same one though
16:21 < owl> urgs
16:21 < Mike1> owl: i found the patch problem yesterday
16:21 < Mike1> for python
16:21 < tcr> but bonnie++ is far more complicated >_<
16:22 < Mike1> i know
16:22 < tcr> i have a quick hack already, but it's quite ugly so trying to find something better
16:22 < owl> tcr: you're planning to use 1.6-pre3?
16:22 < tcr> i'm already using it
16:23 < owl> also using screen? ;P
16:23 < tcr> nop
16:23 < owl> you should try it... it's funny... changing the hostname to -f sometimes... if it's in funny mood
16:24 < tcr> hmm
16:25 < owl> kde3 is doing the same, sometimes, too... (at least here...)
16:26 < owl> and lots of other nice "features" are present
16:26 < Mike1> kde3 sucks
16:26 < Mike1> owl: /me using gnome2.2
16:26 < Mike1> :)
16:26 < tcr> owl: features concerning kde or rock?
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16:26 < Mike1> yo blindy
16:26 < blindcoder> rehi
16:27 < Mike1> owl: sometime i will pass you over my rock private tree
16:27 < Mike1> so you can play around with gnome2.2
16:27 < Mike1> but no kde will be in there :)
16:27 < owl> Mike1: i dunno... sometimes i just see that my hostname && stuff changed after rebooting, after shuting down kde, using screen...
16:27 < tcr> hi blind
16:27 < owl> re blindcoder
16:28 < owl> Mike1: souns nice ;)
16:28 < tcr> Mike1: uh. on 1.6?
16:28 < Mike1> tcr: yeah
16:28 < Mike1> tcr: or sort of 1.6
16:28 < Mike1> tcr: remember i have my own private tree?
16:28 < tcr> err
16:29 < tcr> that questions was concerned to owl actually ;)
16:29 < Mike1> i usually test features on it before including them to oficial tree
16:29 < Mike1> tcr: ah sorry
16:29 < tcr> DAMN! i dont get it. i'll use a dirty hack now. better than nothing
16:34 < tcr> == 16:34:01 02/14/03 =[5]=> Finished building package python.
16:35 < tcr> :) will commit in some minutes
16:37 < tcr> Mike1: could tell me how the floppies are created? IOW: where I have to look the whole thing up?
16:37 < Mike1> subdists/
16:39 < tcr> ok bonnies builds now as well
16:39 < Mike1> mm.. wtf
16:42 < tcr> meanwhile watching star trek tng
16:47 < tcr> https://cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/changelog?rev=1.960&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
16:49 < owl> cu later
16:50 < blindcoder> bye owl
16:50 < blindcoder> *hug* :D
16:54 * blindcoder going home, bye
16:55 < Mike1> oyasumi nasai blindcoder
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17:10 < tsa> re
17:11 < tcr> ok Mike1.
17:11 < tsa> aah..nice.
17:11 < tsa> with the gf4, even ut2k3 runs a lot better than before..
17:13 < tcr> Mike1: without using disks the cd boots fine; using disk it doesnt do anything (it doesnt even begin to boot the kernel)
17:14 < tcr> Mike1: so let's concentrate on that now, and if this is somehow working, let's go on with the installation
17:24 < tcr> hmm, it just silenty reboots while trying to boot
17:27 < tcr> hmm, no it reboots after "BIOS [something] ... successfull"
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18:07 < tcr> .. downloading kernel and compiling it then ..
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18:09 < tcr> hi dreamind
18:12 < dreamind> Hi tcr
18:15 < tcr> wtf?
18:16 < tcr> ah, fixed ;)
18:21 < blindcoder> rehi
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18:49 < tsa> just FYI: 1.7 build without bdb33 with bdb 4.1 running very good.
18:49 < tsa> no bdb-related errors so far at all.
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20:04 < tcr> re
20:21 < owl> re
20:21 < blindcoder> re owly
20:21 < owl> *g*
20:21 < owl> hi blindy
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20:22 < armijn> re
20:22 < blindcoder> owl: why are you *g*rinning?
20:24 < Mike1> blindcoder: because armijn is here?
20:24 < Mike1> hi armijn
20:24 < armijn> huh?
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20:25 < Mike1> mm..
20:25 * Mike1 in the mood to joke around today ...
20:25 < armijn> oh boy...
20:25 * Mike1 not in the mood to joke around today ...
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20:25 < owl> re
20:25 < armijn> mike1: so, it is wise to /ignore you today?
20:25 < tcr> damn, i
20:26 < Mike1> armijn: not really, but i might be ignoring people
20:26 < tcr> 'm compiling this fscking kernel for 2housr
20:26 < Mike1> armijn: just don't spect to much conversation from my side
20:27 < armijn> mike1: good :)
20:27 < armijn> mike1: (just kidding)
20:27 < Mike1> armijn: but hey, nothing personal againt anyone here, including you, just don't feel very well
20:28 < armijn> mike1: it happens to the best
20:28 < armijn> hi owl, long time no hug...
20:28 < owl> hi armijn
20:28 < Mike1> armijn: of course.. it is happening to me
20:31 < armijn> *sigh*, I got a pile of books here that have to be read...
20:32 < armijn> I could read some of it tonight...
20:32 < armijn> I could also wait here for owl to hug me
20:34 < tcr> you could also keep sitting and doing nothing else than scratching your ball from times to times when they begin to itch
20:35 < armijn> already am doing that ;-)
20:35 < tsa> re.
20:35 < tcr> yo, bro!
20:35 < tsa> hi tcr
20:35 * tsa is happy
20:35 < owl> re tsa
20:35 < tsa> hi owl
20:36 < tsa> <- still building 1.7 without bdb33
20:36 < tsa> ..with bdb 4.1.25
20:37 < tsa> only one bdb-related error so far - which i already have a patch for..
20:37 * tcr is listening to Die Apokalyptischen Reiter - Du kleiner Wicht
20:38 < armijn> Sabbat here...
20:38 < owl> ... tcr seems to mean tsa *vbeg*
20:39 < tcr> hmm, i guess tsa is bigger than me, as i'm really small
20:39 < owl> hehe
20:41 * tcr is listening to Nargaroth - Pisen Pro Satana
20:42 < armijn> still Sabbat here
20:42 < armijn> but maybe I gotta put on another record...
20:42 * owl np: xyplex - maxserver 20 terminal server
20:42 < tcr> hmm i dont have any sabbat songs on HD
20:43 < armijn> tcr: not Black Sabbath, but Sabbat
20:43 < tcr> however
20:44 < armijn> Sabbat is a 1980s band, Black Sabbath is a lot older :)
20:45 * tcr is listening to Nargaroth - Black Metal Ist Krieg
20:45 < tcr> yeah old ass rock ;)
20:46 < armijn> you calling me old?
20:46 < tsa> hehe
20:46 < tsa> <- 24
20:46 < tcr> nah that was a joke, old ass rock is actually something like deep purple etc ;)
20:47 < armijn> ehr, what's wrong with Deep Purple? :)
20:47 * armijn takes a look at his Deep Purple records
20:47 < armijn> hmmm, Deep Purple...I guess I could put that on...
20:47 < tcr> but you apparantly are old, otherwise you wouldnt be that sensitive when someone speaks about age ;)
20:47 < armijn> ehr, nearly 25...
20:49 < tcr> nuthin with deep purple, but there is a genre called OAR
20:49 < armijn> AOR
20:49 < armijn> Album Oriented Rock
20:49 < tcr> adult oriented rock
20:49 < armijn> well, the "a" changes once in a while...
20:49 < armijn> it was also once called "american"
20:50 < armijn> I could also put on Status Quo...
20:50 < tcr> however, old ass rock is just the same like adult oriented rock--just making fun of it
20:50 < armijn> you're calling me old?
20:50 < tcr> i'm calling you a fat, old and dumb pile of junk! ;)
20:51 < tcr> are one of those guys considering calling eachother names to be much erotic? ;)
20:51 < tcr> you
20:52 < armijn> ehr?
20:53 < armijn> I don't have a midlife crisis yet...
20:53 < armijn> so no
20:53 < tcr> alas ;0)
20:53 < armijn> heh, did find a nice record...Mercyful Fate...
20:54 < tcr> doesnt seem to be an english band then
20:55 < armijn> no, Danish/American
20:55 < armijn> does King Diamond ring a bell?
20:55 < demian> hi
20:55 < demian> The Trees Have Eyes.. King Diamons.. good song
20:55 < tcr> well proper english would be merciful, but americans are famous for changing words however they wanna
20:56 < armijn> tcr: proper english would be mercyful
20:57 < tcr> dont think so
20:57 < armijn> hmm, dictionairy...
20:58 < tcr> my router seems to be fed up and denies working
20:58 < armijn> ok, you're right
20:59 < tcr> cant connect to any site
20:59 < armijn> however, as I said, the band is Danish
20:59 < tcr> :P
20:59 < armijn> (or at least started out as Danish)
20:59 < armijn> one of the inventors of black metal...
20:59 < tcr> mercyful fate sounds pretty like some powermetal
20:59 < armijn> all the new bands are posers
20:59 < armijn> all want to be more evil than evil...they don't have the humour...
21:00 < tcr> yea
21:00 * tcr is listening to Marduk - The Sun Has Failed
21:00 < armijn> mike1: which developers is clifford referring to in his e-mail he sent?
21:00 < armijn> marduk...
21:01 < demian> marduk - panzer division !
21:01 < tcr> you, reproachful trator ;)
21:01 < tcr> panzer division marduk indeed rocks
21:02 < armijn> marduk is also on the No Mercy tour...so I think I got time for two breaks...one during marduk, other during apocalyptischen reiter
21:02 < armijn> better same my energy for Testament :)
21:03 < armijn> s/same/save/
21:03 < tcr> haha
21:03 < tcr> well i dont care what you do anyway
21:03 < armijn> saw marduk once...wasn't too impressed...
21:04 * demian listen Dimmu Borgir - Burn in Hell
21:04 < Mike1> armijn: skaar and yourself i guess
21:04 < tcr> armijn: which doesnt have to mean that they arent good
21:05 < armijn> mike1: and jeff...he did the 1.4.0 release with skaar, he switched to gentoo as well...
21:05 < armijn> and bevin...that means at least 4 developers...
21:06 < Mike1> damn thats a lot
21:06 < armijn> no, I'm not going back to ROCK, I'm just here to bug owl
21:06 < Mike1> armijn: you mean hug?
21:06 < tsa> hehe
21:06 < armijn> mike1: if you need advice about the sparc64 port, just ask
21:06 < armijn> mike1: no, bug :)
21:06 < armijn> I do have a working ROCK running here in my Ultra...
21:06 < armijn> ehr, on
21:07 < Mike1> armijn: ok i will ask for sure, btw whats ur email addy?
21:07 < armijn> heh
21:07 < armijn> I don't have X and stuff running, but that was never my intention
21:08 * tcr is listening to Mortification - Scrolls of the Megilloth
21:08 < armijn> mortification....christian death metal ;-)
21:08 < tcr> X is for wussies ;)
21:09 < tcr> well that's their first album from '92 (iirc) bought it at ebay once ;)
21:09 < demian> where is huebi ?
21:09 < Mike1> demian: excellent question, if find an answer let us know
21:09 < tsa> offline
21:09 < armijn> mail ripclaw, he knows huebi's phonenumber
21:10 < demian> sure, ill call him.. hehe
21:10 < Mike1> demian: yeah
21:10 < armijn> piss, brb
21:10 < tsa> i know huebi will give a talk about rock linux in two weeks..
21:11 < Mike1> he will?
21:11 < tsa> yes.
21:11 < tsa> some PR, that means.
21:15 < tcr> could it be that a Build-Pkg linux is far slower than manually building it?
21:15 < tcr> it is compiling already fours hours
21:15 < tcr> erm three
21:16 < demian> umm. what kind of machine u have ?
21:16 < tcr> 233.. manually building recent 2.5 kernel took 1 1/2 max. iirc
21:17 < tcr> gt reconnect
21:17 < tsa> rock linux25 package contains lot of modules, i guess.
21:17 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49864.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos")
21:17 < tsa> whereas your hand-compiled kernel will probably be optimized for your system.
21:18 < tsa> ..and the flist wrapper stuff adds a small overhad, too
21:18 < demian> btw, who understand perfectly the fl_wapper.c code ?
21:18 < tsa> clifford ;-)
21:18 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E4976C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:19 < tsa> re tcr
21:19 < demian> only cliff?
21:19 < tsa> == 20:55:02 =[5]=> Building x11/mozilla [1.2.1 1.7-snapshot].
21:19 < tsa> don't know - i never looked at it too close..
21:20 < tsa> i know how it works, that's enough for me ;)
21:22 < demian> it seems to log open,chmod,chrg and those calls that modify ctime and mtime info in files. but it test the files two times.. one to log those open calls and other one to verify the file was really modified.. but, i dunt understand how to trap those calls :(
21:22 < tsa> ld_preload..
21:23 < tsa> there are several system and library calls that modify files on disk.
21:23 < demian> aha, a library loaded before build starts.. but.. well.. ill read about that better.
21:24 < demian> yes, but only system calls are logged, cause library calls use those system calls, so would be the same.
21:24 < tsa> using the fl_wrapper in ld_preload intercepts those calls - so it can create a list of affected files, and will then use the original system / library call
21:28 < armijn> does fl_wrapper use ltrace?
21:28 < armijn> probably
21:28 < demian> no
21:28 < tcr> nope, LD_PRELOAD
21:28 < armijn> and which systemcall does it use then?
21:29 < tcr> demian: what's your problem wit hthe fl_wrapper?
21:29 < tcr> armijn: those creating or modifying a file
21:29 < demian> tcr: no problem.. just wanna know how it works ;-)
21:29 < armijn> ah, strace
21:29 < demian> no
21:29 < armijn> so it's not doing anything with libraries
21:29 < demian> it doesnt touch ptrace at all
21:30 < tcr> armijn: demian already pointed out, libraries are itself based on systemcalls
21:30 < tcr> so why should we care about libraries
21:30 < demian> it listen for system calls that modify files.. like open,chmod,chgrp,and those
21:30 < Mike1> *yawn*
21:32 * tsa ROTFL's
21:32 < Mike1> demian: i asume you will be comitting improvements to the _ROCK_ fl_wrapper ...
21:32 < esden> puhh ... finally through all rocklinux mails >_<
21:32 < snyke> hi esden
21:32 < esden> hi snyke 
21:32 < esden> ;-)
21:32 < Mike1> hey esdy
21:32 < snyke> ;)
21:32 < esden> long time no see
21:32 < Mike1> hallo snyke
21:32 < snyke> yep
21:32 < snyke> hi Mike1
21:32 < esden> hi Mike1 !!!!!
21:32 * tsa 's Hacking Tutorial, Lesson One
21:32 < tsa> Surf to https://www.cvvt.org/
21:32 < snyke> schranz 4 ever :)
21:32 < Mike1> snyke: wie gehts?
21:33 < esden> snyke: beautifull sound !!!
21:33 < tsa> Click onto the "Employee Intranet" button
21:33 < tsa> Guess the password!
21:33 < demian> Mike1: i wamted to know about that to make sth like a system protection, to avoid overflows in my system. there are several libraries used to do this kind of protection
21:33 < tsa> first successor wins...uhm..well....nothing.
21:33 < tcr> tsa ;)
21:34 < armijn> anyway, if you really want to do library checks, like ltrace, it has not been ported to many platforms
21:34 < Mike1> tsa 0_p
21:34 < demian> aha
21:34 * tsa wonders who will figure it out first!
21:35 < tsa> 1st price: Get allowed to do a ROCK Linux build for free! ;-)
21:36 < tcr> index ;)
21:37 < tsa> tcr: go and install suse.
21:37 * tsa slaps tcr aroung with a large intranet password.
21:37 < tsa> s,g,d,
21:38 < Mike1> haha
21:38 < tcr> suse is much better than rock, go ahead and ask anders ;)
21:38 < tsa> hehe
21:38 < Mike1> tsa its easy shit
21:38 < Mike1> intranet
21:38 < tsa> ok.
21:38 < tcr> my browser doesnt even support java
21:38 < tsa> Mike1 wins.
21:38 < tcr> script
21:38 < Mike1> *g
21:39 < tsa> Mike1: you may now begin with your ROCK Linux build.
21:39 < Mike1> tsa: wow cool, thank you
21:39 < Mike1> lol
21:39 * tsa gives Mike1 a "1337 scr1p7 k1dd13" sign.
21:39 < tsa> *giggle*
21:41 < tcr> a much more interesting question is yet how a) /you/ come to such a site at all, b) click on 'emplyee intranet' (there's no aparrant reason) and c) even bothers to guess a password?
21:42 < tcr> i'm waiting for a thorough answer of course ;)
21:42 < tsa> tcr: the link appeared in alt.sysadmin.recovery as an example for "excellent" web design..
21:43 < tcr> alt.sysadmin.recovery aka alt.how.to.become.h4x0r
21:43 < Mike1> LOL
21:44 < tcr> well, but does anyone else come to to this site, and ...
21:44 < tcr> how
21:45 < demian> how does rock handles build error ? it uses sth like tar 'error_happened' ERR ?
21:45 < demian> s/tar/trap
21:45 < tcr> yes
21:45 < tsa> just a theory: people laugh about this site and talk about it on IRC. stuff gets logged, google finds logs, page gets high ranking..
21:46 < tcr> not in 1.6 but i guess in 1.7
21:46 < demian> how in 1.6? [ $? == 1 ] && error_hapened ?
21:47 < demian> dunno too much about 1.7 yet :(
21:47 < tcr> nope the whole build process is encolsed in {} brackets, it looks this way: { ... ;} || { echo "ERROR occured" ... ; }
21:48 < tcr> { set -e ; ... ; } || { echo "ERROR occured" ; ... ; }
21:48 < tcr> actually
21:48 < demian> umm....
21:49 < demian> so, brackets will return a 1 in cases that a command inside of it returned an error? even if the commands after were sucessfull ?
21:49 < tcr> ?
21:50 < tcr> if an error occurs in the first block (where the actual build is place) it will jump out of the block with a return code of > 0, and so the || will take
21:50 < demian> a strip tease for irc ;-)
21:51 < tcr> using trap ERR is more beautiful though, but that feature early got in bash 2.04
21:51 < demian> s/*//
21:51 < demian> but.
21:51 < demian> see this case:
21:51 < demian> build() {
21:52 < demian>   ls /tmp ; ls /tmp/this_doesnt_exists ; ls /proc }
21:52 < tcr> would produce a syntax error ;)
21:53 < demian> as u can see .. the second command will return an error ? but the second command will execute .. and it will return a 0 exit code.
21:53 < demian> tcr: sure, i did it that way.. to avoid put several lines.
21:54 < demian> what does bracket will return then in this case ?
21:55 < tcr> calling build would exit the script with a return code of 1
21:56 < demian> ah ok. so... with a only exit code of 1, the bracket will return a 1, right ?
21:56 < demian> even when the rest of commands were sucessful ?
21:56 < tcr> arghs, no only if you do a 'set -e'
21:56 < tcr> otherwise the return of the last executed command will be used
21:57 < demian> what does set -e does ? cant find his man page ..
21:57 < demian> (it seems to be a shell bultin)
21:58 < tcr> man bash
21:58 < tcr>  /errexit
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21:58 < tsa> ROTFL!
21:58 < tsa> opera "Bork" edition#
22:00 < tcr> yeah, rad on /.
22:00 < tcr> read
22:01 < demian> -e      Exit  immediately  if a simple command return 1
22:01 < demian> now i got it ; thanx :)
22:02 * tsa still building mozilla..
22:02 < tcr> still building kernel... it does copying the modules right now
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22:12 < Mike1> 0_o
22:12 < Mike1> clifford:  hi
22:12 < clifford> Hi gang.
22:13 < demian> hi clifford!
22:13 < clifford> I've just phoned with rxr and the line has been cut...
22:13 < clifford> Maybe he will show up here now...
22:14 < tsa> == 02/14/03 22:14:09 =[5]=> Finished building package mozilla.
22:14 < Mike1> clifford: havent seen rxr here in a long time
22:14 < tsa> aah
22:14 < tsa> hi clifford
22:14 < clifford> hi tsa, demian.
22:14 < tsa> good to see you..
22:14 < tcr> finished linux also ;)
22:14 < tsa> clifford: i think we can perhaps drop the bdb33 package..
22:15 < clifford> oh - cool.
22:15 < tsa> my build is still running, most of the gnome stuff is already done, i had only one bdb-related error (which i already fixed)
22:16 < tsa> i'm using bdb 4.1.25, by the way..
22:16 < esden> hi clifford I will answer your mail first on sunday ... but if I remember correctly the patch has not helped but introduced other problems
22:16 < clifford> esden: So can I remove it?
22:17 < esden> I left it in the tree because I wanted that you for example can take a look at it
22:17 < tsa> i'll send a mail to the list with the apropriate patches when the build has finished..
22:17 < owl> hi esden :)
22:17 < esden> clifford: do not delete it now we have to talk more a bit about it 
22:17 < esden> I have to go now
22:17 < owl> moin clifford
22:17 < esden> cu guys
22:18 < tsa> cu esden
22:18 < owl> bye esden
22:18 < clifford> cu esden.
22:18 < demian> cya esden !
22:18 < demian> clifford: is fl_wrapper the same for 1.7 and 1.5 ?
22:19 < clifford> mostly.
22:19 < tcr> clifford: i fixed python on 1.6 today, and 1.7 seems to use the same patch as 1.6 (python-setup.patch); I had to remove the comment of 'crypt cryptmodule.c # -lcrypt' and had to change 'gdbm gdbmmodule.c -I/usr/local/include/ -L/usr/local/lib -lgdbm' to 'gdbm gdbmmodule.c -I/usr/include/ -L/usr/lib -lgdbm'. Does pythin build on 1.7 properly?
22:19 < tsa> hm...we will have to find a solution for the scrollkeeper package - most of the gnome stuff registers its stuff in two .xml files which then appear as "shared files"
22:20 < tsa> tcr: 5-python.log
22:20 < tsa> no problems here with python
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22:27 < tsa> oops.
22:27 < tcr> no idea where I should start, the build_bootdisk() function seems to be ok
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22:29 < tcr> hopefully got a better server
22:32 < demian> clifford: well, i dunt see a chmod trap function in the flistwrapper :(
22:32 < clifford> to do a chmod, the file must have been already created.
22:33 < clifford> a chamod trap would only be usefull for detecting shared files..
22:34 < demian> well, for example, when installing linux, the untared source keep files with a non-system uid/gid (maybe the guy that packages the linux tarball)
22:35 < demian> so, it still keeps original mtime and ctime info
22:35 < demian> but, chmoding them will change the ctime, and chowning then to root.root
22:35 < demian> i guess
22:35 < clifford> no. the file will be changed, but it won't be logged.
22:36 < clifford> why should a chmod change the uid/gid of the file?
22:36 < demian> sorry, i meat chown
22:36 < demian> meant
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22:38 < owl> hi SecLieu_BR ;)
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22:39 < clifford> which package does change the ownership of a file created by another package?
22:43 -!- rene [~rxr@dialin-145-254-053-146.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:44 < rene> hi
22:44 < demian> none afaik. so, then, chmod and chown system calls will be useful only when a package build is modifying other package build. since is supposed that in a clean build, first files are created, and they are logged then, by the creat listener.
22:44 < rene> wow - how painfull it can be to get into irc ...
22:44 < clifford> hi!!
22:44 < rene> hi demian
22:44 < rene> hi all
22:44 < rene> ;-)
22:44 < Mike1> greetings rene
22:44 < rene> hi Mike1
22:44 < demian> so i got ur point clifford about shared files by builds :)
22:44 < demian> hi rene !
22:45 < tcr> hmm, does harald come today in tv?
22:45 < rene> clifford: lets start the things we need to talk about ...
22:45 < demian> it would be only useful just in case of modifying existing files. :)
22:45 * rene sorry v.90 lines are expensive ...
22:45 < demian> now i continue asm coding :(
22:46 < demian> cya guys. thanx clifford
22:46 < rene> clifford: ?
22:46 < clifford> yup.
22:47 * clifford is doing big cvs commit now...
22:47 < clifford> you where telling me about bochs..
22:48 < rene> it runs your 19c3 isos just well
22:48 < rene> only quite slowly, since it emulates the whole CPU using plain C(++) ...
22:48 < rene> So it does not archive the speed of vmware - but on s.th. faster than my crappy 633Mhz UnifiedMemoryGraphic Laptop it should be ok ...
22:48 < clifford> yes - I know. And as far as I remember, plex86 is pretty broken and doen't even build..
22:49 < rene> pros: since it is just plain C it runs on anything from sparc to powerpc.
22:49 < tcr> Mike1: ?
22:49 < Mike1> tcr: ?
22:50 < tcr> Mike1: mom
22:50 < rene> yes - possible. AFAIK plex86 is not intended to be a stand-alone emulator anymore. In the future (or know) it can be integrated into e.g. bochs to speed it up on native x86 ...
22:50 < rene> but bochs can also emulate x86_64 ;-)
22:50 < clifford> cool! So I will start a cross build as soon as you added the bochs package..
22:52 < tcr> Mike1: gdbm.pz: 176199612 gdbm/gdbm-1.8.3.tar.gz ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gdbm/ ; and in gdbm.conf write MAKE="$MAKE prefix=/usr"; and remove install-prefix.patch
22:52 < rene> who of us should to the Cross-CC work? Should I do it, or is it already scheduled on your side?
22:52 < clifford> I can do it - if you agree on my proposal.
22:52 < tcr> Mike1: Puzzle && Download -package gdbm && Build-Pkg gdbm python
22:53 < tcr> Mike1: just want to go sure
22:53 < rene> Here is my just booted virtual x86_64:
22:53 < rene> CPU0: AMD Athlon stepping 03
22:53 < rene> SMP motherboard not detected.
22:53 < rene> enabled ExtINT on CPU#0
22:53 < rene> ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000
22:53 < rene> ESR value after enabling vector: 00000000
22:53 < rene> Using local APIC timer interrupts.
22:53 < rene> calibrating APIC timer ...
22:53 < rene> ..... CPU clock speed is 0.5000 MHz.
22:53 < Mike1> tcr: ack
22:53 < rene> ..... host bus clock speed is 0.5000 MHz.
22:53 < rene> cpu: 0, clocks: 5000, slice: 2500
22:53 < rene> CPU0<T0:4992,T1:2480,D:12,S:2500,C:5000>
22:54 < clifford> how long does an install take in bochs? (bunzip2 on a simulated cpu)
22:55 < tcr> Mike1: hmm. wait
22:55 < rene> clifford: on my crappy Laptop it is slow ... Reaching the 1st stage of the install-iso takes 1-2 minutes ...
22:55 < tcr> Mike1: in base-config/python/python-setup.patch, remove the comment at 'crypt cryptmodule.c # -lcrypt'
22:56 < tcr> Mike1: python should compile fine then
22:57 < Mike1> great tcr
22:57 < Mike1> tcr: i am running a build on a friends Ultra
22:57 < Mike1> need to know whats the status on it
22:58 < rene> clifford: how often should the Rolling ROCK be published?
22:58 < rene> clifford: your Cross-CC proposal seems to be ok.
22:59 < tcr> Mike1: on the last build, any other packages that failed? did you only build base or also ext?
22:59 < clifford> maybe every 1-2 months with at least 2 articles
22:59 < Mike1> tcr: just base
22:59 < Mike1> did you find any other borken packages?
23:00 < tcr> well fixed chksum error and trailing newline of the linux package
23:00 < rene> clifford: are there other important issues to be discussed?
23:00 < tcr> trailing newlines produces an odd error anyway: build-pkg will start to build all base packages %)
23:00 < tsa> does anyone know if chris has fixed his pam package?
23:01 < clifford> I don't think so. Only the package renaming was a hairy issue.
23:01 < clifford> Everything else can be doneby e-mail (cheaper for you).
23:02 < tsa> hm...nice. only 11 broken packages so far..
23:03 < rene> clifford: I'm here for some minutes, so if s.th. comes to your mind ...
23:04 < tsa> rene: if you have some spare time, please have a look at the e17 stuff..
23:04 < Mike1> cu tomorrow
23:04 < tsa> cu Mike1
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23:04 < tsa> the autogen.sh stuff helps, but some of the .c files still need to be patched..
23:05 < rene> clifford: how do i get the tar.bz2 out of a .gem ?
23:06 < rene> the mine 0.0pre9 helps sucks.
23:06 < clifford> mine -k pkg_tarbz2 foobar.gem > foobar.tar.bz2
23:07 < tcr> hrm /usr on 99%
23:07 < clifford> just read /usr/doc/mine/GEM-MINE...
23:09 < rene> thanks
23:09 < clifford> btw: mine-0.5 comes already with 'gasgui' - an ncurses-based package manager.
23:09 < rene> ;-)
23:10 < rene> I'm just timing the decompression of bash in bochs
23:10 < clifford> ... already fully integrated in /etc/stone.d/mod_package.sh ..
23:10 < rene> clifford: Wow ;-)
23:10 * rene impressed
23:11 < rene> maybe I need to start the evas based opengl accelerated ROCK Linux GUI installed ? *g*
23:11 < clifford> maybe not.
23:11 < clifford> ;-)
23:12 < rene> bash decompression still running ...
23:12 < clifford> did you have already a chance to look into the qt problem?
23:12 < rene> no sorry - have taken a look
23:12 < rene> ?
23:14 < rene> oop
23:14 < rene> I wanted to write have _you_ taken a look? ;_)
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23:15 < tcr> hrm
23:16 < rene> ok cu guys ...
23:16 < owl> bye rene
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23:16 < tsa> cu rene
23:17 < tcr> ah harald could begin every moment
23:17 -!- clifford [~clifford@M105P009.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
23:17 < clifford> I love ISDN reconnects every 4 hours...
23:17 < tsa> hehe
23:18 < tsa> rene just left..
23:18 < clifford> great.
23:18 -!- Be-El [be-el@p5082BCAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:18 < Be-El> hi ppl
23:19 < tsa> hi Be-El
23:19 < clifford> I'll  try to find some sleep now and let my reference-build continue...
23:19 < Be-El> Changing password for be-el
23:19 < Be-El> Enter the new password (minimum of 5, maximum of 127 characters)
23:19 < Be-El> Please use a combination of upper and lower case letters and numbers.
23:19 < Be-El> New password: *********
23:19 < Be-El> /var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict.pwd: No such file or directory
23:19 < Be-El> *narf*
23:19 < clifford> cu.
23:19 < tsa> cu clifford
23:19 < tcr> hm
23:19 < tcr> relaxing harald now
23:19 < Be-El> and updating sysfiles overwrites /etc/passwd and /etc/group...
23:19 < clifford> hmmm...
23:20 < tsa> cracklib: usr/share/dict/cracklib_dict.pwd
23:20 < tsa> wrong path, it seems.
23:21 < clifford> Be-El: you could update sysfiles in -update mode. (but I think this is broken in current cvs).
23:26 < clifford> rebuilding sysfiles is save now (current cvs).
23:26 < clifford> good bye.
23:26 < tcr> gn8
23:27 < tsa> cu tcr
23:27 < Be-El> cu clifford
23:27 -!- clifford [~clifford@M105P009.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Leaving")
23:27 < tcr> nah das ging an cliff
23:27 < tsa> achso.
23:27 < tsa> auch gut.
23:27 < Be-El> erstmal nen kaffee aufsetzen
23:28 < tsa> kaffee ist immer gut.
23:28 < tsa> hm..hoffentlich ist der build hier bis morgen frueh fertich...
23:41 < demian> cya, happy frienship day
23:41 -!- demian is now known as rekcah
23:41 < Be-El> cu demian
23:43 < tsa> cu demian
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