-!- Irrsi  Log opened Fri Feb 14 00:00:16 2003
[00:32] < Mike1> *yawn*
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[01:11] < holyolli> moin
[01:11] < tsa> moin holyolli
[01:11] < holyolli> huhu tsa
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[01:18] < holyolli> bennie!
[01:18] < BenHur_> hi tere :)
[01:19] < holyolli> ben: how are you? ;)
[01:19] < BenHur_> holy: fine. a little sunless ;)
[01:20] < holyolli> ben> hehe...but here it has also raining the whole day
[01:20] < BenHur_> holy: nono ... you getteing the wrong meaning of the word sun ;)
[01:21] < BenHur_> holy: btw ... what is this 320nff thing, anyways?
[01:21] < BenHur_> holy: we happend to find something like that an a webserver near you ... well not as near, as ist was ... but anyways ;)
[01:21] < holyolli> ben: it is the homepage of our class
[01:22] < BenHur_> holy: how come, you did not share that little secret with us ;)
[01:22] < holyolli> ben: well...i wanted to wipe out all bad pictures of me... ;)
[01:22] < BenHur_> holy: ahhhyesss ;)
[01:23] < holyolli> ben: but feel free to surf ;)
[01:23] < BenHur_> holy: oehm ... already done that. it was hard to resist, you know
[01:23] < holyolli> ben: no prob
[01:24] < holyolli> :)
[01:24] < holyolli> ben: if you want, i can give you some more pictures...of sun and warm temperatures :-P
[01:25] < BenHur_> holy: sure ;)
[01:25] < BenHur_> holy: anyways ... back to business. you've got m@il
[01:25] < holyolli> ben: ack. i'll read it later
[01:26] < BenHur_> holy: ok
[01:28] < BenHur_> holy: und ansonsten habt ihr spass ... mal abgesehen von ... ich sage mal ... pool-parties?
[01:29] < holyolli> ben: naja..unter der woche ist der mega-stress - das muss am we dann immer weggefeiert werden ;-)
[01:30] < BenHur_> holy: soso ;)
[01:30] < holyolli> ben: wobei wir naechstes we wohl nach sedona und grand canyon fahren werden
[01:30] < BenHur_> holy: morgens lernen, nachmittags fliegen oder wie laeuft das?
[01:30] < BenHur_> holy: hmpf .. ihr habts gut
[01:30] < holyolli> ben: nope...morgens fliegen (so ca. 5-6h) und dann 3h unterricht; danach lernen fuer den naechsten tag
[01:31] < BenHur_> holy: ah ..
[01:35] < BenHur_> holy: wie spaet isses jetzt eigentlich bei euch?
[01:36] < holyolli> ben: 17:35 (wenn meine rechneruhr stimmt)
[01:45] < holyolli> h
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[01:58] < tsa> ah.
[01:58] < tsa> da isser ja wieder
[01:58] < holyolli> jo
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[02:18] < holyolli_> ...
[02:19] < BenHur_> holy: ist dem internet in amiland so uebel?
[02:19] < holyolli_> nein..der empfang vom accesspoint ist hier nen bisschen scheisse... ;)
[02:19] < BenHur_> holy: tsts
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[02:19] < BenHur_> .oO(prolet ;)
[02:20] < holyolli_> ben: willste nen ap haben?
[02:20] < holyolli_> ben: fuer $70 habe ich hier einen
[02:20] < BenHur_> holy: was fuer einen?
[02:20] < tsa> BenHur_: holyolli_ ist gar nicht in usa...das ist alles gefaked, guck doch mal auf die hostmask..
[02:21] < BenHur_> tsa: verdammt. jetzt ich ichs auch! FAKER!!!
[02:21] < BenHur_> bestimmt hat er sich irgendwo im keller versteckt oder so
[02:21] < tsa> jajaja
[02:21] < holyolli_> verdammt nun wissen sie es.. ;)
[02:22] < BenHur_> jaja
[02:24] < holyolli_> ben: von linksys
[02:24] < holyolli_> ben: (der ap)
[02:24] < BenHur_> holy: hm ... und du sitzt neben dem uns hast keinen empfang ... neee ...
[02:25] < holyolli_> ben: nope ich geh grad ueber nen dlink...und der ist 150m entfernt
[02:25] < BenHur_> holy: ah
[02:26] < BenHur_> holy: ne sun sbus quad ethernet (nich fast) liegt da nicht zufaellig irgendwo rum, oder?
[02:26] < holyolli_> ben: hm. ich glaube nicht
[02:31] < tsa> https://www.320nff.de/gallery/Gesichter_2003_02/IMG_0138.jpg
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[02:31] < holyolli> ...
[02:31] < holyolli> ;)
[02:31] < BenHur_> *lol*
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[02:31] < tsa> nettes bild..
[02:31] < holyolli> welches?
[02:31] < tsa> https://www.320nff.de/gallery/Gesichter_2003_02/IMG_0138.jpg
[02:32] < holyolli> naja..wir waren einkaufen..und da gabs diese muetze...
[02:32] < holyolli> (zum glueck sind die fotos von der party nicht mit drauf..
[02:32] < holyolli> ;)
[02:33] < tsa> hehe
[02:33] < holyolli> was wirklich abgefahren ist, dass man hier im walmart lustige sportgeraete kaufen kann
[02:33] < holyolli> gleich neben den angelruten gibts doppellaeufige shotguns
[02:34] < holyolli> gleich mit munition zum mitnehmen..nur fuehrerschein zeigen und schon hat man die
[02:34] < tsa> au fein.
[02:34] < tsa> admin-werkzeug.
[02:34] < BenHur_> hehe
[02:34] < tsa> kaufen haben will!
[02:34] < holyolli> *fg* ack.
[02:34] < BenHur_> holy: genau. bring mal nen satz fuere arbeit mit ;)
[02:34] < holyolli> tsa: soll ich dir eine mitbringen? kosten nur 250$
[02:35] < tsa> holyolli: koennte im zoll problematisch werden..
[02:35] < tsa> BenHur_: denk einfach mal drueber nach...petrikat...rettweiler..
[02:35] < tsa> ;-)
[02:35] < holyolli> och...glaub ich nicht... ;) soll doch nen geschenk sein
[02:35] < BenHur_> tsa: kaese .. dann rasiert dem holy sich ne woche nicht un kann als terrorist die ohne probleme durhc den zoll bringen *eg*
[02:35] < holyolli> args..rettweiler..
[02:35] < holyolli> *lol*
[02:36] < holyolli> <-- holt sich mal grad nen miller... ;)
[02:37] < tsa> *PATSCH*
[02:37] < holyolli> heh
[02:37] < holyolli> e
[02:37] < BenHur_> *peng*
[02:37] < holyolli> *g*
[02:38] < BenHur_> .oO(userdel holyolli)
[02:38] < holyolli> hehe
[02:39] < BenHur_> holy: und? schmecks?
[02:39] < holyolli> naja..geht...aber es gibt ja nix besseres
[02:39] < BenHur_> holy: ich glaube ich koennte nie miller saufen ... da muesste ich immer an idioten denken
[02:40] < holyolli> naja...irgendwann hast du soviel davon drin, dass du das auch nichtmehr tust
[02:42] < BenHur_> holy: dann bricht man vielleicht bei walmart ein und nimmt sich so lart geraete mit und faehrt dann nach paderborn ;)
[02:42] < holyolli> *g*
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[02:42] < tsa> gute idee.
[02:43] < holyolli> hi praenti
[02:44] < tsa> moin praenti
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[02:54] < holyolli> o.k. - i
[02:55] < holyolli> ll go lerning now
[02:55] < holyolli> cu
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[02:57] < tsa> n8
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[06:35] < blindcoder> moin
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[09:16] < owl> *yawn* morning
[09:27] < blindcoder> moin owly
[09:30] < owl> hi blindy
[09:30] < blindcoder> how's work?
[09:46] < owl> blindcoder: dunno.
[09:46] < owl> <-- reading mails :)
[09:46] < blindcoder> tztz
[09:46] < blindcoder> you should do your work instead of reading unnecessary mails
[09:48] < owl> blindcoder: work - nothing available at present
[09:48] < owl> (ok. starring to the monitr...=
[09:50] < blindcoder> owl: you always complain about that there is too much to do and now you want to tell me that there's no work available?
[09:51] < owl> yes
[09:52] < owl> before next week i will not get any other work to do... cuz there is no one...
[09:54] < blindcoder> oh
[09:54] < blindcoder> then go home :)
[09:55] < owl> *kick*
[09:57] < blindcoder> what?
[09:57] < owl> this was a "empfindlicher punkt"...
[10:02] < blindcoder> why?
[10:06] < owl> cuz i want to sleep and lying in my bed... but i can't *grml*
[10:07] < blindcoder> that's why I say "go home"
[10:07] < owl> and i say "i can't" *grml*
[10:08] < blindcoder> why, when there is no work?
[10:08] < blindcoder> I want to go home, too, but _I_ have to work for 7 more hours
[10:10] < owl> i have to stay at work until 17:00 o'clock... so don't complain
[10:10] < blindcoder> me, too
[10:11] < owl> having hotline?
[10:11] < blindcoder> yes
[10:11] < owl> urgs.
[10:12] < blindcoder> but nothing serious until now
[10:12] < owl> hm.
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[10:22] < owl> hi triqui
[10:25] < blindcoder> moin triqui
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[12:02] < blindcoder> re
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[12:28] < tsa> hi all
[12:29] < blindcoder> hi tsa
[12:29] < tsa> hi blindcoder
[12:29] < owl> hi tsa
[12:30] < tsa> hi owlita *hug*
[12:30] < tsa> praenti: alive?
[14:29] < rolla> re
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[14:31] < tcr> moin all
[14:34] < owl> hi tcr
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[14:48] < tsa> anyone familar with current gfx cards?
[14:48] < tsa> gf2 gts <-> gf4 ti4200
[14:49] < tsa> (asus)  <-> (XFX)
[15:07] < tcr> brb
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[15:18] < esden> hi all
[15:22] < blindcoder> hi esden
[15:25] < esden> blindcoder: where are you ? what are you doing ?
[15:26] < owl> hi esden
[15:26] < esden> hi owl
[15:26] < blindcoder> esden: I'm in munich, still at work >_<
[15:27] < blindcoder> *argh* could someone please teach Rene's MUA what a "In-Reply-To:" header is???
[15:32] < tsa> hehe
[15:33] < blindcoder> I'm always busy for ~10 minutes linking the threads together again >_<
[15:33] < tsa> hm..
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[16:03] < tcr> re
[16:04] < Mike1> noin all
[16:04] < Mike1> moin even
[16:08] < tcr> moin Mike1
[16:08] < tcr> still one the python and bonnie++ issue..
[16:08] < tcr> both are compiling at the moment, I think I have fixed them now
[16:08] < tsa> bbl
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[16:13] < tcr> hum bonnie++ still not fixed
[16:14] < tcr> Mike1: what floppies do i need? root-disk, combo-root, combo, boot-disk? and what's with the scsi-modules disk? (i have an IDE and a SCSI HD)
[16:14] < owl> tcr: 1.5?
[16:15] < tcr> yup
[16:15] < tcr> 1.6pre3 to be exact
[16:15] < tcr> actually I have a cdrom drive from which I could boot, but as the disk are said to be broken i wanna test them
[16:16] < Mike1> tcr: the root disk will brake when trying to load the scsi modules
[16:16] < Mike1> tcr: praenti said he is running pre1
[16:17] < Mike1> very weird because root disk was already broken since then
[16:17] < tcr> all disk are completely broken ?
[16:17] < tcr> disks
[16:18] < Mike1> tcr: root disks yeah
[16:18] < tcr> u_u,
[16:18] < Mike1> tcr: wonderfull don't you think?
[16:19] < tcr> no panic on the titanic!
[16:19] < tcr> python looks like it'd compile fine
[16:19] < tcr> so now getting bonnie to work and then we'll see :)
[16:20] < owl> tcr: you're kidding
[16:20] < owl> python - running?!!! at least not here (started build some hours ago)
[16:20] < tcr> yeah the patch was broken
[16:21] < tcr> seems like 1.7 is using the same one though
[16:21] < owl> urgs
[16:21] < Mike1> owl: i found the patch problem yesterday
[16:21] < Mike1> for python
[16:21] < tcr> but bonnie++ is far more complicated >_<
[16:22] < Mike1> i know
[16:22] < tcr> i have a quick hack already, but it's quite ugly so trying to find something better
[16:22] < owl> tcr: you're planning to use 1.6-pre3?
[16:22] < tcr> i'm already using it
[16:23] < owl> also using screen? ;P
[16:23] < tcr> nop
[16:23] < owl> you should try it... it's funny... changing the hostname to -f sometimes... if it's in funny mood
[16:24] < tcr> hmm
[16:25] < owl> kde3 is doing the same, sometimes, too... (at least here...)
[16:26] < owl> and lots of other nice "features" are present
[16:26] < Mike1> kde3 sucks
[16:26] < Mike1> owl: /me using gnome2.2
[16:26] < Mike1> :)
[16:26] < tcr> owl: features concerning kde or rock?
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[16:26] < Mike1> yo blindy
[16:26] < blindcoder> rehi
[16:27] < Mike1> owl: sometime i will pass you over my rock private tree
[16:27] < Mike1> so you can play around with gnome2.2
[16:27] < Mike1> but no kde will be in there :)
[16:27] < owl> Mike1: i dunno... sometimes i just see that my hostname && stuff changed after rebooting, after shuting down kde, using screen...
[16:27] < tcr> hi blind
[16:27] < owl> re blindcoder
[16:28] < owl> Mike1: souns nice ;)
[16:28] < tcr> Mike1: uh. on 1.6?
[16:28] < Mike1> tcr: yeah
[16:28] < Mike1> tcr: or sort of 1.6
[16:28] < Mike1> tcr: remember i have my own private tree?
[16:28] < tcr> err
[16:29] < tcr> that questions was concerned to owl actually ;)
[16:29] < Mike1> i usually test features on it before including them to oficial tree
[16:29] < Mike1> tcr: ah sorry
[16:29] < tcr> DAMN! i dont get it. i'll use a dirty hack now. better than nothing
[16:34] < tcr> == 16:34:01 02/14/03 =[5]=> Finished building package python.
[16:35] < tcr> :) will commit in some minutes
[16:37] < tcr> Mike1: could tell me how the floppies are created? IOW: where I have to look the whole thing up?
[16:37] < Mike1> subdists/
[16:39] < tcr> ok bonnies builds now as well
[16:39] < Mike1> mm.. wtf
[16:42] < tcr> meanwhile watching star trek tng
[16:47] < tcr> https://cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/changelog?rev=1.960&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
[16:49] < owl> cu later
[16:50] < blindcoder> bye owl
[16:50] < blindcoder> *hug* :D
[16:54]   blindcoder going home, bye
[16:55] < Mike1> oyasumi nasai blindcoder
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[17:10] < tsa> re
[17:11] < tcr> ok Mike1.
[17:11] < tsa> aah..nice.
[17:11] < tsa> with the gf4, even ut2k3 runs a lot better than before..
[17:13] < tcr> Mike1: without using disks the cd boots fine; using disk it doesnt do anything (it doesnt even begin to boot the kernel)
[17:14] < tcr> Mike1: so let's concentrate on that now, and if this is somehow working, let's go on with the installation
[17:24] < tcr> hmm, it just silenty reboots while trying to boot
[17:27] < tcr> hmm, no it reboots after "BIOS [something] ... successfull"
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[18:07] < tcr> .. downloading kernel and compiling it then ..
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[18:09] < tcr> hi dreamind
[18:12] < dreamind> Hi tcr
[18:15] < tcr> wtf?
[18:16] < tcr> ah, fixed ;)
[18:21] < blindcoder> rehi
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[18:49] < tsa> just FYI: 1.7 build without bdb33 with bdb 4.1 running very good.
[18:49] < tsa> no bdb-related errors so far at all.
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[20:04] < tcr> re
[20:21] < owl> re
[20:21] < blindcoder> re owly
[20:21] < owl> *g*
[20:21] < owl> hi blindy
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[20:22] < armijn> re
[20:22] < blindcoder> owl: why are you *g*rinning?
[20:24] < Mike1> blindcoder: because armijn is here?
[20:24] < Mike1> hi armijn
[20:24] < armijn> huh?
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[20:25] < Mike1> mm..
[20:25]   Mike1 in the mood to joke around today ...
[20:25] < armijn> oh boy...
[20:25]   Mike1 not in the mood to joke around today ...
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[20:25] < owl> re
[20:25] < armijn> mike1: so, it is wise to /ignore you today?
[20:25] < tcr> damn, i
[20:26] < Mike1> armijn: not really, but i might be ignoring people
[20:26] < tcr> 'm compiling this fscking kernel for 2housr
[20:26] < Mike1> armijn: just don't spect to much conversation from my side
[20:27] < armijn> mike1: good :)
[20:27] < armijn> mike1: (just kidding)
[20:27] < Mike1> armijn: but hey, nothing personal againt anyone here, including you, just don't feel very well
[20:28] < armijn> mike1: it happens to the best
[20:28] < armijn> hi owl, long time no hug...
[20:28] < owl> hi armijn
[20:28] < Mike1> armijn: of course.. it is happening to me
[20:31] < armijn> *sigh*, I got a pile of books here that have to be read...
[20:32] < armijn> I could read some of it tonight...
[20:32] < armijn> I could also wait here for owl to hug me
[20:34] < tcr> you could also keep sitting and doing nothing else than scratching your ball from times to times when they begin to itch
[20:35] < armijn> already am doing that ;-)
[20:35] < tsa> re.
[20:35] < tcr> yo, bro!
[20:35] < tsa> hi tcr
[20:35]   tsa is happy
[20:35] < owl> re tsa
[20:35] < tsa> hi owl
[20:36] < tsa> <- still building 1.7 without bdb33
[20:36] < tsa> ..with bdb 4.1.25
[20:37] < tsa> only one bdb-related error so far - which i already have a patch for..
[20:37]   tcr is listening to Die Apokalyptischen Reiter - Du kleiner Wicht
[20:38] < armijn> Sabbat here...
[20:38] < owl> ... tcr seems to mean tsa *vbeg*
[20:39] < tcr> hmm, i guess tsa is bigger than me, as i'm really small
[20:39] < owl> hehe
[20:41]   tcr is listening to Nargaroth - Pisen Pro Satana
[20:42] < armijn> still Sabbat here
[20:42] < armijn> but maybe I gotta put on another record...
[20:42]   owl np: xyplex - maxserver 20 terminal server
[20:42] < tcr> hmm i dont have any sabbat songs on HD
[20:43] < armijn> tcr: not Black Sabbath, but Sabbat
[20:43] < tcr> however
[20:44] < armijn> Sabbat is a 1980s band, Black Sabbath is a lot older :)
[20:45]   tcr is listening to Nargaroth - Black Metal Ist Krieg
[20:45] < tcr> yeah old ass rock ;)
[20:46] < armijn> you calling me old?
[20:46] < tsa> hehe
[20:46] < tsa> <- 24
[20:46] < tcr> nah that was a joke, old ass rock is actually something like deep purple etc ;)
[20:47] < armijn> ehr, what's wrong with Deep Purple? :)
[20:47]   armijn takes a look at his Deep Purple records
[20:47] < armijn> hmmm, Deep Purple...I guess I could put that on...
[20:47] < tcr> but you apparantly are old, otherwise you wouldnt be that sensitive when someone speaks about age ;)
[20:47] < armijn> ehr, nearly 25...
[20:49] < tcr> nuthin with deep purple, but there is a genre called OAR
[20:49] < armijn> AOR
[20:49] < armijn> Album Oriented Rock
[20:49] < tcr> adult oriented rock
[20:49] < armijn> well, the "a" changes once in a while...
[20:49] < armijn> it was also once called "american"
[20:50] < armijn> I could also put on Status Quo...
[20:50] < tcr> however, old ass rock is just the same like adult oriented rock--just making fun of it
[20:50] < armijn> you're calling me old?
[20:50] < tcr> i'm calling you a fat, old and dumb pile of junk! ;)
[20:51] < tcr> are one of those guys considering calling eachother names to be much erotic? ;)
[20:51] < tcr> you
[20:52] < armijn> ehr?
[20:53] < armijn> I don't have a midlife crisis yet...
[20:53] < armijn> so no
[20:53] < tcr> alas ;0)
[20:53] < armijn> heh, did find a nice record...Mercyful Fate...
[20:54] < tcr> doesnt seem to be an english band then
[20:55] < armijn> no, Danish/American
[20:55] < armijn> does King Diamond ring a bell?
[20:55] < demian> hi
[20:55] < demian> The Trees Have Eyes.. King Diamons.. good song
[20:55] < tcr> well proper english would be merciful, but americans are famous for changing words however they wanna
[20:56] < armijn> tcr: proper english would be mercyful
[20:57] < tcr> dont think so
[20:57] < armijn> hmm, dictionairy...
[20:58] < tcr> my router seems to be fed up and denies working
[20:58] < armijn> ok, you're right
[20:59] < tcr> cant connect to any site
[20:59] < armijn> however, as I said, the band is Danish
[20:59] < tcr> :P
[20:59] < armijn> (or at least started out as Danish)
[20:59] < armijn> one of the inventors of black metal...
[20:59] < tcr> mercyful fate sounds pretty like some powermetal
[20:59] < armijn> all the new bands are posers
[20:59] < armijn> all want to be more evil than evil...they don't have the humour...
[21:00] < tcr> yea
[21:00]   tcr is listening to Marduk - The Sun Has Failed
[21:00] < armijn> mike1: which developers is clifford referring to in his e-mail he sent?
[21:00] < armijn> marduk...
[21:01] < demian> marduk - panzer division !
[21:01] < tcr> you, reproachful trator ;)
[21:01] < tcr> panzer division marduk indeed rocks
[21:02] < armijn> marduk is also on the No Mercy tour...so I think I got time for two breaks...one during marduk, other during apocalyptischen reiter
[21:02] < armijn> better same my energy for Testament :)
[21:03] < armijn> s/same/save/
[21:03] < tcr> haha
[21:03] < tcr> well i dont care what you do anyway
[21:03] < armijn> saw marduk once...wasn't too impressed...
[21:04]   demian listen Dimmu Borgir - Burn in Hell
[21:04] < Mike1> armijn: skaar and yourself i guess
[21:04] < tcr> armijn: which doesnt have to mean that they arent good
[21:05] < armijn> mike1: and jeff...he did the 1.4.0 release with skaar, he switched to gentoo as well...
[21:05] < armijn> and bevin...that means at least 4 developers...
[21:06] < Mike1> damn thats a lot
[21:06] < armijn> no, I'm not going back to ROCK, I'm just here to bug owl
[21:06] < Mike1> armijn: you mean hug?
[21:06] < tsa> hehe
[21:06] < armijn> mike1: if you need advice about the sparc64 port, just ask
[21:06] < armijn> mike1: no, bug :)
[21:06] < armijn> I do have a working ROCK running here in my Ultra...
[21:06] < armijn> ehr, on
[21:07] < Mike1> armijn: ok i will ask for sure, btw whats ur email addy?
[21:07] < armijn> heh
[21:07] < armijn> I don't have X and stuff running, but that was never my intention
[21:08]   tcr is listening to Mortification - Scrolls of the Megilloth
[21:08] < armijn> mortification....christian death metal ;-)
[21:08] < tcr> X is for wussies ;)
[21:09] < tcr> well that's their first album from '92 (iirc) bought it at ebay once ;)
[21:09] < demian> where is huebi ?
[21:09] < Mike1> demian: excellent question, if find an answer let us know
[21:09] < tsa> offline
[21:09] < armijn> mail ripclaw, he knows huebi's phonenumber
[21:10] < demian> sure, ill call him.. hehe
[21:10] < Mike1> demian: yeah
[21:10] < armijn> piss, brb
[21:10] < tsa> i know huebi will give a talk about rock linux in two weeks..
[21:11] < Mike1> he will?
[21:11] < tsa> yes.
[21:11] < tsa> some PR, that means.
[21:15] < tcr> could it be that a Build-Pkg linux is far slower than manually building it?
[21:15] < tcr> it is compiling already fours hours
[21:15] < tcr> erm three
[21:16] < demian> umm. what kind of machine u have ?
[21:16] < tcr> 233.. manually building recent 2.5 kernel took 1 1/2 max. iirc
[21:17] < tcr> gt reconnect
[21:17] < tsa> rock linux25 package contains lot of modules, i guess.
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[21:17] < tsa> whereas your hand-compiled kernel will probably be optimized for your system.
[21:18] < tsa> ..and the flist wrapper stuff adds a small overhad, too
[21:18] < demian> btw, who understand perfectly the fl_wapper.c code ?
[21:18] < tsa> clifford ;-)
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[21:19] < tsa> re tcr
[21:19] < demian> only cliff?
[21:19] < tsa> == 20:55:02 =[5]=> Building x11/mozilla [1.2.1 1.7-snapshot].
[21:19] < tsa> don't know - i never looked at it too close..
[21:20] < tsa> i know how it works, that's enough for me ;)
[21:22] < demian> it seems to log open,chmod,chrg and those calls that modify ctime and mtime info in files. but it test the files two times.. one to log those open calls and other one to verify the file was really modified.. but, i dunt understand how to trap those calls :(
[21:22] < tsa> ld_preload..
[21:23] < tsa> there are several system and library calls that modify files on disk.
[21:23] < demian> aha, a library loaded before build starts.. but.. well.. ill read about that better.
[21:24] < demian> yes, but only system calls are logged, cause library calls use those system calls, so would be the same.
[21:24] < tsa> using the fl_wrapper in ld_preload intercepts those calls - so it can create a list of affected files, and will then use the original system / library call
[21:28] < armijn> does fl_wrapper use ltrace?
[21:28] < armijn> probably
[21:28] < demian> no
[21:28] < tcr> nope, LD_PRELOAD
[21:28] < armijn> and which systemcall does it use then?
[21:29] < tcr> demian: what's your problem wit hthe fl_wrapper?
[21:29] < tcr> armijn: those creating or modifying a file
[21:29] < demian> tcr: no problem.. just wanna know how it works ;-)
[21:29] < armijn> ah, strace
[21:29] < demian> no
[21:29] < armijn> so it's not doing anything with libraries
[21:29] < demian> it doesnt touch ptrace at all
[21:30] < tcr> armijn: demian already pointed out, libraries are itself based on systemcalls
[21:30] < tcr> so why should we care about libraries
[21:30] < demian> it listen for system calls that modify files.. like open,chmod,chgrp,and those
[21:30] < Mike1> *yawn*
[21:32]   tsa ROTFL's
[21:32] < Mike1> demian: i asume you will be comitting improvements to the _ROCK_ fl_wrapper ...
[21:32] < esden> puhh ... finally through all rocklinux mails >_<
[21:32] < snyke> hi esden
[21:32] < esden> hi snyke
[21:32] < esden> ;-)
[21:32] < Mike1> hey esdy
[21:32] < snyke> ;)
[21:32] < esden> long time no see
[21:32] < Mike1> hallo snyke
[21:32] < snyke> yep
[21:32] < snyke> hi Mike1
[21:32] < esden> hi Mike1 !!!!!
[21:32]   tsa 's Hacking Tutorial, Lesson One
[21:32] < tsa> Surf to https://www.cvvt.org/
[21:32] < snyke> schranz 4 ever :)
[21:32] < Mike1> snyke: wie gehts?
[21:33] < esden> snyke: beautifull sound !!!
[21:33] < tsa> Click onto the "Employee Intranet" button
[21:33] < tsa> Guess the password!
[21:33] < demian> Mike1: i wamted to know about that to make sth like a system protection, to avoid overflows in my system. there are several libraries used to do this kind of protection
[21:33] < tsa> first successor wins...uhm..well....nothing.
[21:33] < tcr> tsa ;)
[21:34] < armijn> anyway, if you really want to do library checks, like ltrace, it has not been ported to many platforms
[21:34] < Mike1> tsa 0_p
[21:34] < demian> aha
[21:34]   tsa wonders who will figure it out first!
[21:35] < tsa> 1st price: Get allowed to do a ROCK Linux build for free! ;-)
[21:36] < tcr> index ;)
[21:37] < tsa> tcr: go and install suse.
[21:37]   tsa slaps tcr aroung with a large intranet password.
[21:37] < tsa> s,g,d,
[21:38] < Mike1> haha
[21:38] < tcr> suse is much better than rock, go ahead and ask anders ;)
[21:38] < tsa> hehe
[21:38] < Mike1> tsa its easy shit
[21:38] < Mike1> intranet
[21:38] < tsa> ok.
[21:38] < tcr> my browser doesnt even support java
[21:38] < tsa> Mike1 wins.
[21:38] < tcr> script
[21:38] < Mike1> *g
[21:39] < tsa> Mike1: you may now begin with your ROCK Linux build.
[21:39] < Mike1> tsa: wow cool, thank you
[21:39] < Mike1> lol
[21:39]   tsa gives Mike1 a "1337 scr1p7 k1dd13" sign.
[21:39] < tsa> *giggle*
[21:41] < tcr> a much more interesting question is yet how a) /you/ come to such a site at all, b) click on 'emplyee intranet' (there's no aparrant reason) and c) even bothers to guess a password?
[21:42] < tcr> i'm waiting for a thorough answer of course ;)
[21:42] < tsa> tcr: the link appeared in alt.sysadmin.recovery as an example for "excellent" web design..
[21:43] < tcr> alt.sysadmin.recovery aka alt.how.to.become.h4x0r
[21:43] < Mike1> LOL
[21:44] < tcr> well, but does anyone else come to to this site, and ...
[21:44] < tcr> how
[21:45] < demian> how does rock handles build error ? it uses sth like tar 'error_happened' ERR ?
[21:45] < demian> s/tar/trap
[21:45] < tcr> yes
[21:45] < tsa> just a theory: people laugh about this site and talk about it on IRC. stuff gets logged, google finds logs, page gets high ranking..
[21:46] < tcr> not in 1.6 but i guess in 1.7
[21:46] < demian> how in 1.6? [ $? == 1 ] && error_hapened ?
[21:47] < demian> dunno too much about 1.7 yet :(
[21:47] < tcr> nope the whole build process is encolsed in {} brackets, it looks this way: { ... ;} || { echo "ERROR occured" ... ; }
[21:48] < tcr> { set -e ; ... ; } || { echo "ERROR occured" ; ... ; }
[21:48] < tcr> actually
[21:48] < demian> umm....
[21:49] < demian> so, brackets will return a 1 in cases that a command inside of it returned an error? even if the commands after were sucessfull ?
[21:49] < tcr> ?
[21:50] < tcr> if an error occurs in the first block (where the actual build is place) it will jump out of the block with a return code of > 0, and so the || will take
[21:50] < demian> a strip tease for irc ;-)
[21:51] < tcr> using trap ERR is more beautiful though, but that feature early got in bash 2.04
[21:51] < demian> s/*//
[21:51] < demian> but.
[21:51] < demian> see this case:
[21:51] < demian> build() {
[21:52] < demian>   ls /tmp ; ls /tmp/this_doesnt_exists ; ls /proc }
[21:52] < tcr> would produce a syntax error ;)
[21:53] < demian> as u can see .. the second command will return an error ? but the second command will execute .. and it will return a 0 exit code.
[21:53] < demian> tcr: sure, i did it that way.. to avoid put several lines.
[21:54] < demian> what does bracket will return then in this case ?
[21:55] < tcr> calling build would exit the script with a return code of 1
[21:56] < demian> ah ok. so... with a only exit code of 1, the bracket will return a 1, right ?
[21:56] < demian> even when the rest of commands were sucessful ?
[21:56] < tcr> arghs, no only if you do a 'set -e'
[21:56] < tcr> otherwise the return of the last executed command will be used
[21:57] < demian> what does set -e does ? cant find his man page ..
[21:57] < demian> (it seems to be a shell bultin)
[21:58] < tcr> man bash
[21:58] < tcr> /errexit
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[21:58] < tsa> ROTFL!
[21:58] < tsa> opera "Bork" edition#
[22:00] < tcr> yeah, rad on /.
[22:00] < tcr> read
[22:01] < demian> -e      Exit  immediately  if a simple command return 1
[22:01] < demian> now i got it ; thanx :)
[22:02]   tsa still building mozilla..
[22:02] < tcr> still building kernel... it does copying the modules right now
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[22:12] < Mike1> 0_o
[22:12] < Mike1> clifford:  hi
[22:12] < clifford> Hi gang.
[22:13] < demian> hi clifford!
[22:13] < clifford> I've just phoned with rxr and the line has been cut...
[22:13] < clifford> Maybe he will show up here now...
[22:14] < tsa> == 02/14/03 22:14:09 =[5]=> Finished building package mozilla.
[22:14] < Mike1> clifford: havent seen rxr here in a long time
[22:14] < tsa> aah
[22:14] < tsa> hi clifford
[22:14] < clifford> hi tsa, demian.
[22:14] < tsa> good to see you..
[22:14] < tcr> finished linux also ;)
[22:14] < tsa> clifford: i think we can perhaps drop the bdb33 package..
[22:15] < clifford> oh - cool.
[22:15] < tsa> my build is still running, most of the gnome stuff is already done, i had only one bdb-related error (which i already fixed)
[22:16] < tsa> i'm using bdb 4.1.25, by the way..
[22:16] < esden> hi clifford I will answer your mail first on sunday ... but if I remember correctly the patch has not helped but introduced other problems
[22:16] < clifford> esden: So can I remove it?
[22:17] < esden> I left it in the tree because I wanted that you for example can take a look at it
[22:17] < tsa> i'll send a mail to the list with the apropriate patches when the build has finished..
[22:17] < owl> hi esden :)
[22:17] < esden> clifford: do not delete it now we have to talk more a bit about it
[22:17] < esden> I have to go now
[22:17] < owl> moin clifford
[22:17] < esden> cu guys
[22:18] < tsa> cu esden
[22:18] < owl> bye esden
[22:18] < clifford> cu esden.
[22:18] < demian> cya esden !
[22:18] < demian> clifford: is fl_wrapper the same for 1.7 and 1.5 ?
[22:19] < clifford> mostly.
[22:19] < tcr> clifford: i fixed python on 1.6 today, and 1.7 seems to use the same patch as 1.6 (python-setup.patch); I had to remove the comment of 'crypt cryptmodule.c # -lcrypt' and had to change 'gdbm gdbmmodule.c -I/usr/local/include/ -L/usr/local/lib -lgdbm' to 'gdbm gdbmmodule.c -I/usr/include/ -L/usr/lib -lgdbm'. Does pythin build on 1.7 properly?
[22:19] < tsa> hm...we will have to find a solution for the scrollkeeper package - most of the gnome stuff registers its stuff in two .xml files which then appear as "shared files"
[22:20] < tsa> tcr: 5-python.log
[22:20] < tsa> no problems here with python
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[22:27] < tsa> oops.
[22:27] < tcr> no idea where I should start, the build_bootdisk() function seems to be ok
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[22:29] < tcr> hopefully got a better server
[22:32] < demian> clifford: well, i dunt see a chmod trap function in the flistwrapper :(
[22:32] < clifford> to do a chmod, the file must have been already created.
[22:33] < clifford> a chamod trap would only be usefull for detecting shared files..
[22:34] < demian> well, for example, when installing linux, the untared source keep files with a non-system uid/gid (maybe the guy that packages the linux tarball)
[22:35] < demian> so, it still keeps original mtime and ctime info
[22:35] < demian> but, chmoding them will change the ctime, and chowning then to root.root
[22:35] < demian> i guess
[22:35] < clifford> no. the file will be changed, but it won't be logged.
[22:36] < clifford> why should a chmod change the uid/gid of the file?
[22:36] < demian> sorry, i meat chown
[22:36] < demian> meant
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[22:38] < owl> hi SecLieu_BR ;)
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[22:39] < clifford> which package does change the ownership of a file created by another package?
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[22:44] < rene> hi
[22:44] < demian> none afaik. so, then, chmod and chown system calls will be useful only when a package build is modifying other package build. since is supposed that in a clean build, first files are created, and they are logged then, by the creat listener.
[22:44] < rene> wow - how painfull it can be to get into irc ...
[22:44] < clifford> hi!!
[22:44] < rene> hi demian
[22:44] < rene> hi all
[22:44] < rene> ;-)
[22:44] < Mike1> greetings rene
[22:44] < rene> hi Mike1
[22:44] < demian> so i got ur point clifford about shared files by builds :)
[22:44] < demian> hi rene !
[22:45] < tcr> hmm, does harald come today in tv?
[22:45] < rene> clifford: lets start the things we need to talk about ...
[22:45] < demian> it would be only useful just in case of modifying existing files. :)
[22:45]   rene sorry v.90 lines are expensive ...
[22:45] < demian> now i continue asm coding :(
[22:46] < demian> cya guys. thanx clifford
[22:46] < rene> clifford: ?
[22:46] < clifford> yup.
[22:47]   clifford is doing big cvs commit now...
[22:47] < clifford> you where telling me about bochs..
[22:48] < rene> it runs your 19c3 isos just well
[22:48] < rene> only quite slowly, since it emulates the whole CPU using plain C(++) ...
[22:48] < rene> So it does not archive the speed of vmware - but on s.th. faster than my crappy 633Mhz UnifiedMemoryGraphic Laptop it should be ok ...
[22:48] < clifford> yes - I know. And as far as I remember, plex86 is pretty broken and doen't even build..
[22:49] < rene> pros: since it is just plain C it runs on anything from sparc to powerpc.
[22:49] < tcr> Mike1: ?
[22:49] < Mike1> tcr: ?
[22:50] < tcr> Mike1: mom
[22:50] < rene> yes - possible. AFAIK plex86 is not intended to be a stand-alone emulator anymore. In the future (or know) it can be integrated into e.g. bochs to speed it up on native x86 ...
[22:50] < rene> but bochs can also emulate x86_64 ;-)
[22:50] < clifford> cool! So I will start a cross build as soon as you added the bochs package..
[22:52] < tcr> Mike1: gdbm.pz: 176199612 gdbm/gdbm-1.8.3.tar.gz ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gdbm/ ; and in gdbm.conf write MAKE="$MAKE prefix=/usr"; and remove install-prefix.patch
[22:52] < rene> who of us should to the Cross-CC work? Should I do it, or is it already scheduled on your side?
[22:52] < clifford> I can do it - if you agree on my proposal.
[22:52] < tcr> Mike1: Puzzle && Download -package gdbm && Build-Pkg gdbm python
[22:53] < tcr> Mike1: just want to go sure
[22:53] < rene> Here is my just booted virtual x86_64:
[22:53] < rene> CPU0: AMD Athlon stepping 03
[22:53] < rene> SMP motherboard not detected.
[22:53] < rene> enabled ExtINT on CPU#0
[22:53] < rene> ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000
[22:53] < rene> ESR value after enabling vector: 00000000
[22:53] < rene> Using local APIC timer interrupts.
[22:53] < rene> calibrating APIC timer ...
[22:53] < rene> ..... CPU clock speed is 0.5000 MHz.
[22:53] < Mike1> tcr: ack
[22:53] < rene> ..... host bus clock speed is 0.5000 MHz.
[22:53] < rene> cpu: 0, clocks: 5000, slice: 2500
[22:53] < rene> CPU0<T0:4992,T1:2480,D:12,S:2500,C:5000>
[22:54] < clifford> how long does an install take in bochs? (bunzip2 on a simulated cpu)
[22:55] < tcr> Mike1: hmm. wait
[22:55] < rene> clifford: on my crappy Laptop it is slow ... Reaching the 1st stage of the install-iso takes 1-2 minutes ...
[22:55] < tcr> Mike1: in base-config/python/python-setup.patch, remove the comment at 'crypt cryptmodule.c # -lcrypt'
[22:56] < tcr> Mike1: python should compile fine then
[22:57] < Mike1> great tcr
[22:57] < Mike1> tcr: i am running a build on a friends Ultra
[22:57] < Mike1> need to know whats the status on it
[22:58] < rene> clifford: how often should the Rolling ROCK be published?
[22:58] < rene> clifford: your Cross-CC proposal seems to be ok.
[22:59] < tcr> Mike1: on the last build, any other packages that failed? did you only build base or also ext?
[22:59] < clifford> maybe every 1-2 months with at least 2 articles
[22:59] < Mike1> tcr: just base
[22:59] < Mike1> did you find any other borken packages?
[23:00] < tcr> well fixed chksum error and trailing newline of the linux package
[23:00] < rene> clifford: are there other important issues to be discussed?
[23:00] < tcr> trailing newlines produces an odd error anyway: build-pkg will start to build all base packages %)
[23:00] < tsa> does anyone know if chris has fixed his pam package?
[23:01] < clifford> I don't think so. Only the package renaming was a hairy issue.
[23:01] < clifford> Everything else can be doneby e-mail (cheaper for you).
[23:02] < tsa> hm...nice. only 11 broken packages so far..
[23:03] < rene> clifford: I'm here for some minutes, so if s.th. comes to your mind ...
[23:04] < tsa> rene: if you have some spare time, please have a look at the e17 stuff..
[23:04] < Mike1> cu tomorrow
[23:04] < tsa> cu Mike1
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[23:04] < tsa> the autogen.sh stuff helps, but some of the .c files still need to be patched..
[23:05] < rene> clifford: how do i get the tar.bz2 out of a .gem ?
[23:06] < rene> the mine 0.0pre9 helps sucks.
[23:06] < clifford> mine -k pkg_tarbz2 foobar.gem > foobar.tar.bz2
[23:07] < tcr> hrm /usr on 99%
[23:07] < clifford> just read /usr/doc/mine/GEM-MINE...
[23:09] < rene> thanks
[23:09] < clifford> btw: mine-0.5 comes already with 'gasgui' - an ncurses-based package manager.
[23:09] < rene> ;-)
[23:10] < rene> I'm just timing the decompression of bash in bochs
[23:10] < clifford> ... already fully integrated in /etc/stone.d/mod_package.sh ..
[23:10] < rene> clifford: Wow ;-)
[23:10]   rene impressed
[23:11] < rene> maybe I need to start the evas based opengl accelerated ROCK Linux GUI installed ? *g*
[23:11] < clifford> maybe not.
[23:11] < clifford> ;-)
[23:12] < rene> bash decompression still running ...
[23:12] < clifford> did you have already a chance to look into the qt problem?
[23:12] < rene> no sorry - have taken a look
[23:12] < rene> ?
[23:14] < rene> oop
[23:14] < rene> I wanted to write have _you_ taken a look? ;_)
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[23:15] < tcr> hrm
[23:16] < rene> ok cu guys ...
[23:16] < owl> bye rene
[23:16] -!- rene [~rxr@dialin-145-254-053-146.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("leaving")
[23:16] < tsa> cu rene
[23:17] < tcr> ah harald could begin every moment
[23:17] -!- clifford [~clifford@M105P009.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
[23:17] < clifford> I love ISDN reconnects every 4 hours...
[23:17] < tsa> hehe
[23:18] < tsa> rene just left..
[23:18] < clifford> great.
[23:18] -!- Be-El [be-el@p5082BCAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
[23:18] < Be-El> hi ppl
[23:19] < tsa> hi Be-El
[23:19] < clifford> I'll  try to find some sleep now and let my reference-build continue...
[23:19] < Be-El> Changing password for be-el
[23:19] < Be-El> Enter the new password (minimum of 5, maximum of 127 characters)
[23:19] < Be-El> Please use a combination of upper and lower case letters and numbers.
[23:19] < Be-El> New password: *********
[23:19] < Be-El> /var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict.pwd: No such file or directory
[23:19] < Be-El> *narf*
[23:19] < clifford> cu.
[23:19] < tsa> cu clifford
[23:19] < tcr> hm
[23:19] < tcr> relaxing harald now
[23:19] < Be-El> and updating sysfiles overwrites /etc/passwd and /etc/group...
[23:19] < clifford> hmmm...
[23:20] < tsa> cracklib: usr/share/dict/cracklib_dict.pwd
[23:20] < tsa> wrong path, it seems.
[23:21] < clifford> Be-El: you could update sysfiles in -update mode. (but I think this is broken in current cvs).
[23:26] < clifford> rebuilding sysfiles is save now (current cvs).
[23:26] < clifford> good bye.
[23:26] < tcr> gn8
[23:27] < tsa> cu tcr
[23:27] < Be-El> cu clifford
[23:27] -!- clifford [~clifford@M105P009.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Leaving")
[23:27] < tcr> nah das ging an cliff
[23:27] < tsa> achso.
[23:27] < tsa> auch gut.
[23:27] < Be-El> erstmal nen kaffee aufsetzen
[23:28] < tsa> kaffee ist immer gut.
[23:28] < tsa> hm..hoffentlich ist der build hier bis morgen frueh fertich...
[23:41] < demian> cya, happy frienship day
[23:41] -!- demian is now known as rekcah
[23:41] < Be-El> cu demian
[23:43] < tsa> cu demian
-!- Irrsi  Log closed Sat Feb 15 00:00:34 2003