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01:10 * tsa yawns ..
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02:14 < holyolli> moin
02:14 < tsa> tag olli.
02:14 < holyolli> hi tsa.
02:14 < tfing> tag ?! ;)
02:15 < holyolli> tfing: something like 'hej'
02:15 < tfing> holyolli: ;)
02:15 < holyolli> ;)
02:15 < tfing> isn't supposed to mean "guten tag" ?
02:15 < holyolli> tfing: principially yes..but 'tag' is the short slang form
02:16 < tfing> it was just the 'tag' at 2 am ... ;)
02:17 < holyolli> ah...the reason is that i am actually in another timezsone
02:17 < holyolli> timezone even
02:17 < holyolli> but anyway..tsa greets at any time with 'tag' ;-)
02:17 < tfing> =]
02:18 < tsa> hehe
02:18 * tsa just discovered the "holyolli live p0rn web site".. ;-)
02:19 < holyolli> tfing: is gu.se goetenbergs university
02:19 < holyolli> ?
02:19 < tfing> holyolli: yep
02:19 < tfing> gothenbug
02:19 < tfing> gothenburg
02:19 < holyolli> i c
02:19 < holyolli> tsa: webcams are funny, aren't they...?;)
02:19 < tsa> ack ;)
02:20 < tfing> hmm, while i think about it
02:20 < tfing> tsa: your slrn package doesn't a so complicated slrn.conf file
02:20 < tfing> +need
02:21 < tsa> hm..indeed...jsut modifying confopt should be sufficent..
02:21 < tfing> i had a look at it when i compiled slrn
02:21 < tfing> but i forgot to tell anyone
02:21 < tsa> hehe
02:22 < tsa> i'll change it with the next update..
02:23 < tsa> holyolli: these side-by-side desk boxes in your computer room remind me of dilbert comic strips..somehow..
02:23 < holyolli> tsa: *lol*
02:23 < holyolli> tsa: well..its typical for this country...
02:25 < tsa> ..at least they have nice axis cams..
02:26 < holyolli> tsa: /me is thinking about the fact that the cams only work with ie...
02:26 < tsa> holyolli: hm?
02:28 < holyolli> tsa: r u using windows?
02:28 < tsa> no.
02:29 < holyolli> tsa: strange. with opera/win it doesn't work
02:30 < tsa> hm...galeon works.
02:30 < tsa> except the "enter termina services" link - whatever might hide behind it..
02:31 < tsa> +l
02:31 < holyolli> tsa: it some windows terminal crap...
02:31 < tsa> hm..
02:32 < tsa> some vbscript stuff.
02:32 < holyolli> does anybody know a linux floppy distribution with fat- and devfs-support?
02:33 < tsa> holyolli: hm...tried the RH boot disks?
02:33 < holyolli> tsa: jepp..devfs is missing...
02:33 < tsa> you need devfs what for?
02:34 < holyolli> tsa: for installing rock.. the install-loader otherwise breaks with an error
02:34 < tsa> hm..
02:34 < holyolli> (unfortunately i have only 1.6per3 hre
02:34 < holyolli> 1.6pre3 here)
02:35 < holyolli> tsa: any ideas?
02:36 < tsa> dettux? ;-))
02:36 < holyolli> tsa: btw. you can also listens to our radio communications when we are in school..
02:36 < holyolli> tsa: hrmpf ;)
02:36 < tsa> hehe
02:36 < tsa> what about fli4l?
02:37 < holyolli> hm. does it have devfs? i already tried some floppy-distros..but they have not both - fat and devfs
02:37 * holyolli looks after fli4l...
02:37 < tsa> hm..don't know.
02:37 < holyolli> *surf*
02:39 < tfing> hmmm, shouldn't there be a recommandation to *not* gzip the patches on the ml ?
02:41 < tsa>  7. Don't pack your patches to tar-files. That makes it much harder to open
02:41 < tsa>     and read them in a mail-reader. Only compress a patch if it's _really_ big.
02:41 < tsa> Documentation/Developers/PATCHES ..
02:42 < tfing> fortunately, mutt has a pipe command
02:42 < tfing> but it's nicer not having to use it
02:42 < tsa> unfortunately, i don't have zless..
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02:43 * tsa going to bed.
02:43 < tsa> cu all
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07:04 < blindcoder> moin
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08:46 < esden> morning !
08:46 < blindcoder> hi esden
08:46 * -> esden has got net !!!
08:46 < esden> weee
08:46 < blindcoder> I see you got network now :)
08:47 < kasc> moin
08:47 < blindcoder> @uni or @"home"?
08:47 < blindcoder> moin kasc
08:47 < esden> I went to the housemenagment and asked for network configuration ;-)
08:47 < esden> blindcoder: no at home ;-)
08:47 < blindcoder> hehe
08:47 < esden> but I had most of the net working till I went to them
08:47 < blindcoder> kasc: the sdl_net and sdl_ttf were in your repository, do I see this correct?
08:48 < esden> but I could not find out what the nameserver is ;-)
08:48 < esden> hi kasc 
08:48 < blindcoder> esden: *lol* if it's only that :)
08:48 < kasc> blindcoder: yep. should i have put them in your repository?
08:48 < blindcoder> kasc: not necessarily, I just thought about putting them in ONE (maybe SDL) rep so that they are bundled together
08:50 < kasc> maybe we should also put the games into one games repository or something alike...
08:50 < blindcoder> hmm... sounds reosonable.
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08:51 < blindcoder> we could also build all the games in stage 6 (since the man-page section for games also is 6) :)
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08:51 < blindcoder> nothing else uses this stage yet IIRC
08:51 < kasc> hehe
08:52 < blindcoder> I'll send a mail to the list asking for comments
08:53 < kasc> k :)
08:53 < esden> blindcoder: OFYI the mutt on apollo is not overpatched ... I compiled it myself
08:53 < esden> so marking as new is some other problem ...
08:53 < blindcoder> esden: hmm... okay
08:54 < blindcoder> esden: maybe you can find this patch you used again so it can be included in ROCK or at least in my personal tree here :)
08:57 < esden> I will see what I can do
08:57 * -> esden thinks about going to bed ;-)
08:59 < blindcoder> okay, mail sent
08:59 < blindcoder> esden: tztztz, you shall learn, not sleep!
08:59 < esden> *yawn*
09:17 < owl> moin
09:20 < blindcoder> moin owl
09:20 < kasc> moin owl
09:21 < owl> hi kasc
09:21 < owl> hi blindy
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09:30 < esden> cool icq working too
09:30 < esden> hi owl 
09:30 < owl> hi esden
09:30 < blindcoder> esden: transconnected?
09:30 < esden> no over proxy ... licq can do that ;-)
09:30 < blindcoder> hmm... didn't know licq could
09:31 < owl> don't use the word proxy esden... or it will be a auto-kick-function executed :P
09:31 < blindcoder> PROXY
09:31 < blindcoder> PROXY
09:31 < blindcoder> PROXY
09:31 < blindcoder> :D
09:31 < blindcoder> *ruuuuun*
09:32 < esden> blindcoder: which transconnect version do you use ?
09:32 < esden> or used ?
09:34 < blindcoder> 1.2
09:34 < blindcoder> brb
09:35 < esden> hmm ... I try the beta
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09:41 < blindcoder> esden: is the connection stable?
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09:49 < esden> blindcoder: no ... I tryed to connect to apollo over ssh and it says that port 22 refuses connection >_<
09:51 < owl> what about port-mapping on the machine the proxy runs at?
09:52 < blindcoder> owl: if esden had access to the proxy he wouldn't need transconnect
09:52 < owl> ah so.
09:55 < blindcoder> hehe, nothing like "natural" cooled water :)
09:55 < blindcoder> esden: the water bottles are still _cold_
09:55 < blindcoder> brb
10:01 < esden> blindcoder: I can imagine that ;-)
10:01 < blindcoder> re
10:02 < blindcoder> esden: why? they were only out there for... 3 days? :)
10:02 < esden> that they are not frozen is strange
10:02 < blindcoder> esden: 1) they're under pressure
10:02 < blindcoder> 2) the "Kohlensaeure"
10:03 < esden> hmm that may be an explination
10:04 < blindcoder> mhm
10:06 < blindcoder> hmm...
10:06 < blindcoder> let's see...
10:06 < blindcoder> who knows be good enough to know how she can drive me crazy...
10:09 < blindcoder> s/be/me/
10:09 < owl> haeh?
10:11 < blindcoder> owl: that chocolate box IS driving me crazy
10:11 < owl> hehehe
10:17 < esden> lol
10:18 < blindcoder> after all, I'd like like to return that favor...
10:19 < owl> hum?
10:19 < esden> the crazy making ?
10:20 < blindcoder> esden: if possible, that one, too :)
10:21 < blindcoder> owl: https://www.animeftp.net/valentine.php
10:21 < esden> blindcoder: yes now I understand 
10:21 < esden> a white box ;-)
10:22 < blindcoder> sure :)
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10:27 < blindcoder> I wonder if they are now here for real :)
10:30 < esden> blindcoder: I do not think so ...
10:31 * -> esden found a server with movies in the network ;-)
10:37 < blindcoder> esden: no surprise there :)
10:39 < esden> yes ;-)
10:41 < blindcoder> ALX said there was even a huge Anime Server there. Please try to locate that one for me :)
10:46 < esden> yes will try to
10:46 < blindcoder> thanks :)
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11:39 < owl> wtf...?
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12:03 < tsa> hi all
12:03 < owl> hi tsa
12:03 < owl> <-- having lunch now. bbl
12:05 < blindcoder> an guadn
12:05 < blindcoder> hi tsa
12:05 < owl> thx
12:05 < tsa> moin owl, blindcoder
12:10 < kasc> moin tsa
12:10 < esden> hmm ... /me gets hungry 
12:11 < esden> hi tsa, kasc 
12:12 < blindcoder> esden: watashi mo
12:12 < blindcoder> esden: But I'm looking forward to a BIG salad for lunch today *yummy*
12:13 * -> esden killing some unborn chickens ;-)
12:13 < blindcoder> hmmm... that woud be "ore mo" or "boku mo"... dammit... think b4 u type, blindy
12:14 < blindcoder> esden: hehe, if you had some bread and a toaster and some onion and oil then you could make ome really good lunch :)
12:18 < tsa> hi esden
12:18 < tsa> hm...any comments on dropping bdb33 ?
12:21 < esden> yes I have bread and cheese and oil
12:21 < esden> onion too but I thought about it too late
12:21 < esden> now I eat eggs with cheese ;-)
12:23 < esden> ahh first part of Gangs in New York is nearly here ;-)
12:24 * -> esden watching
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12:32 < blindcoder> rehi
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12:39 < owl> hi Digital_Angel
12:40 < Digital_Angel> hi
12:40 < blindcoder> hi Digital_Angel
12:41 * blindcoder off to lunch
12:41 < Digital_Angel> hi blind...
12:44 < owl> blindcoder: good appettite
12:45 < kasc> i just found a kana trainer... anyone interested?
12:45 < tsa> a what?
12:46 < esden> kasc: blindcoder is interested for sure
12:46 < esden> kasc: url ?
12:46 < kasc> esden: www.directfb.org in the download section
12:46 < kasc> will be in my next games patch ;)
12:46 < esden> kasc: good
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12:59 < kasc> esden: do you know where to get a japanese ttf?
12:59 < esden> no idea ...
13:01 < kasc> blindcoder: do you?
13:06 < owl> someone knows where i can get a monitor for my DEC 3000/300 LX? i'm getting insane by this machine....
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13:19 < owl> *ARGH* C# is sooooo ugly!
13:22 < blindcoder> kasc: nope, sorry. I only use kterm and xjdic23 for jap<->eng
13:23 < kasc> without a japanese ttf the kana trainer wont work :(
13:23 < blindcoder> hmm... kana as in Katakana?
13:24 < kasc> and hiragana, yes
13:25 < blindcoder> hmm... may be worth a look... I've seen several of these trainers (in java and others) but they all lacked configurability
13:26 < kasc> hmm... debian has some japanese fonts...
13:32 < kasc> think i have found them but i cant read if there is any license on them...
13:32 < kasc> https://www.on.ics.keio.ac,jp/~yasu/linux/fonts/
13:34 < blindcoder> hmm... 404
13:34 < blindcoder> oh
13:34 < kasc> oh, the ',' should be a '.'
13:37 < blindcoder> hmm... strange... there seems to be _no_ license on it...
13:38 < kasc> thats indeed strange
13:39 < blindcoder> at least I can find no hint of one in some tarballs I've downloaded for testing
14:29 < owl> *grrrr* H - A - T - E!!!
14:30 < blindcoder> We Are Right!
14:31 < owl> blindcoder: ?
14:32 < blindcoder> WAR! We Are Right!
14:32 < blindcoder> not that I'd support it
14:32 < blindcoder> just saw that quote in a fortune
14:33 < owl> haeh?
14:33 < owl> *confused*
14:34 < blindcoder> you are shouting HATE, and the first thing coming to mind is WAR
14:35 < owl> no. m4$0$0f7... or visual studio.net
14:36 < blindcoder> hehe
14:37 < owl> blindcoder: eh! you're evil! *hrhr*
14:38 < owl> it's totally unreadable code i have in front of my eyes - and all this crap was produced by cruel .NET IDE
14:39 < blindcoder> you are coding i, aren't you?
14:41 < owl> yes and no... i can't do anything about the default variable names (like TextHasteNichtGesehenButton12393) ... expect renaming it
14:42 < blindcoder> *loooool*
14:42 < blindcoder> I know why I don't like a) IDE's b) Hungarian Notation
14:44 < owl> a) IDE's are - normally ok. b) hungarian notation imho too
14:45 < owl> but not a M$-hungarian... this is just usable if you're in suicidal mood... cuz then you're killed by the source code *hrhr*
14:45 < owl> ah... gvim... i'm loving it :)
14:47 < blindcoder> screen + make + vim + vim + vim + vim + ... + man
14:47 < blindcoder> what a sw33t IDE :)
14:50 < owl> blindcoder: it's not a IDE - even if you think so :P
14:51 < blindcoder> it's an Environment for coding and Debugging and itIntegrates everything I need. I D E
14:52 < owl> *lol* new meaning of IDE - defined by blindy ;)
14:52 < blindcoder> thanks, you don't have to thank me :)
14:53 < owl> *bow*
14:54 < blindcoder> good girl :)
14:54 < owl> master blindcoder :P
14:54 < blindcoder> hehe
14:58 < snyke> ^_^
14:59 < owl> moin snyke
14:59 < snyke> moin
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15:15 < Digital_Angel> Bye @all
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15:16 < owl> *sniff*
15:18 < blindcoder> *lol*
15:18 < owl> blindcoder: not funny *kick*
15:18 < blindcoder> not for yo, that is :D
15:19 < owl> blindcoder: :PPP for another person, not, too :-(
15:19 < blindcoder> *MUAHAHAHAHA*
15:19 < owl> blindcoder: eh!!!
15:20 < blindcoder> :D
15:51 < tsa> bbl
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15:55 * blindcoder going home
15:55 < blindcoder> baba
15:56 < owl> bye blindy
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16:03 < Digital_Angel> Hi @all
16:04 < Digital_Angel> I have a problem by the rocklinux installation? I need help...
16:04 < Digital_Angel> -?
16:06 < Digital_Angel> When i press enter by the "boot:" prompt then came the error message: BIOS data check W03.
16:26 < rolla> do you have scsi disks?
16:27 < rekcah> hi
16:28 < Digital_Angel> rolla: No
16:29 < owl> rolla: he's using 1.6-pre-3...
16:29 < Digital_Angel> I have a old Siemens Nixdorf PC 100 Mhz with a 24x IDE-CD-Rom and 6 GB HDD...
16:29 -!- rekcah is now known as demian
16:29 < owl> i thougth this problem was fixed in 1.5.17...?
16:29 < owl> hi Digital_Angel
16:29 < owl> eh demian
16:30 < demian> i hate when somone sends gziped patches via mail
16:30 < rolla> hmm there problems that were fixed in 1.5.17 and are broken lasted I looked in 1.6prex
16:31 < demian> hellohu owl
16:32 < owl> *ARGH* i hope you're just kidding, rolla ?
16:34 < owl> hm. schande...
16:34 < rolla> owl: I never kid
16:35 < rolla> that is why I stopped messing with 1.6prex
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16:39 < tsa> hi
16:40 < demian> hi tsa
16:41 < owl> rolla: oh god!!!
16:42 < owl> this is why i downgraded (or being in process of downgrading) to 1.5.19 again
16:48 < rolla> :)
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16:49 < Mike1> moin
16:49 < demian> morning Mike1
16:50 < demian> i just presented my asm home work :)
16:50 < demian> it really sucks a lot :)
16:50 < Mike1> LOL
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17:17 < blindcoder> rehi
17:17 < demian> re blindcoder
17:17 < Mike1> hi blindcoder
17:17 < blindcoder> hi Mike1
17:17 * blindcoder is about to go to his doc for a complete checkup 
17:18 < demian> i just wondered about what nethack game is.. seems to be a complex game at first sight
17:18 < demian> da u know a cool game to pass the time ?
17:18 < blindcoder> demian: it's easy
17:18 < blindcoder> once you learned all the controlsw that is
17:18 < blindcoder> bzflag
17:19 < demian> blindcoder: i started it, and a frame appeared after some questions of my personality :s
17:19 < demian> isee
17:19 < blindcoder> yes, thath;s the map
17:19 < blindcoder> *argh*
17:19 < blindcoder> I can't type on non-dvorak keyboards anymore
17:20 < demian> that ?? a map ? it is a little frame with several chars.. ill read the docs first then
17:21 < blindcoder> hehe, yes that'more than advisable in this game
17:21 < blindcoder> it's the part of the map that you already discovered
17:22 < demian> and the < $ # @ 8 & what are? items, people ?
17:25 < blindcoder> type / and choose object and press . for info
17:26 < demian> ill do it :), thanx
17:54 < kasc> blindcoder: that kana trainer works fine, i'm sure you'll like it :)
17:58 < kasc> btw: re
18:12 < tsa> hm...anyone with a p4 cpu?
18:12 < demian> p4 have 24 stages for pipelining :)
18:13 < demian> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz
18:13 < tsa> nice.
18:13 < tsa> can you do a test build with intel's icc?
18:14 < tsa> this hasn't been tasted for a long time, so it would be good to get some feedback
18:14 < demian> im not root here, do i need to be ?
18:14 < tsa> yes..
18:16 < demian> :(
18:22 < blindcoder> rehi
18:22 < blindcoder> just been to the doc
18:22 < blindcoder> where to get that icc?
18:23 < blindcoder> kasc: waiting for the package :)
18:26 < tsa> https://www.intel.com/software/products/compilers/downloads/clin.htm
18:32 < kasc> blindcoder: i'm currently waiting for some solutions from the clanlib mailinglist before i submit the package
18:33 < kasc> in case i have to up/down-grade directfb...
18:33 < blindcoder> i see
18:34 < blindcoder> Length: 64,921,600 (unauthoritative)
18:34 < blindcoder> WTF??
18:35 < kasc> clanlib is rather nasty, but unfortunately needed by some great games
18:37 < blindcoder> never bothered with it
18:37 < demian> clanbomber
18:37 < kasc> jep
18:39 < kasc> or pingus
18:51 < blindcoder> tsa: okay, download finished. Any special way to install it or something?
18:52 < tsa> blindcoder: you'll have to get a license file..
18:52 < tsa> should be somewhere on the intel site..don't know the exact location
18:56 < blindcoder> tsa: will the unsupported non-commercial version do?
18:57 < tsa> dont know..
19:03 < demian> i was trying to do a bootable cd.. and it was cool, but.. i noted that it only boots i my pc .. :s
19:03 < demian> dunno why it isnt booting in other pc's
19:03 < blindcoder> install can't identify your machine type, glibc or kernel.
19:03 < blindcoder> *LOL*
19:06 < blindcoder> okay, icc installed
19:06 < demian> umm, what do i need to make my bootable cd compatible with other machines? curretly lilo isnt working on other systems
19:07 < blindcoder> hmm...
19:07 < blindcoder> ROCK wants icc 6.0
19:07 < tsa> hm...should be patcheable..
19:09 < blindcoder> I just try with icc 70
19:09 < tsa> cool, thanks.
19:10 < blindcoder> how much better is icc?
19:11 < tsa> 20-30% faster, intel says..
19:11 < blindcoder> sweet
19:12 < tsa> which means 10% ;-)
19:12 < blindcoder> well, that's at least something :)
19:13 < demian> if intel did a c++ compiler, it should give some cpu improvements
19:13 < blindcoder> indeed
19:13 < tsa> ack
19:13 < blindcoder> but someone should tell them what gzip or bzip2 is
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19:30 < blindcoder> >_<
19:30 < blindcoder> glibc cannot be compiled without optimisation
19:32 < demian> :)
19:32 < demian> CFLAGS ?
19:32 < blindcoder> dunno
19:32 < blindcoder> it builds fine with gcc
19:32 < demian> probably
19:33 < demian> just do CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -03"
19:33 < dreamind> Hi
19:33 < demian> it'll work
19:33 < demian> hi dreamind
19:33 < tsa> add "-O" to the .conf..
19:33 < tsa> ..and send a patch if it works..
19:35 < tsa> if [ $ROCKCFG_DEFAULT_CC = 'icc' ]; ... else.. fi
19:35 < blindcoder> tsa: I'll try
19:38 < blindcoder> tsa: seems to work
19:48 * blindcoder going to bed.. good night
19:49 < demian> cya blindcoder
19:50 < tsa> cu blindcoder
19:50 < demian> i leave too, im falling..
19:51 < tsa> cu demian
20:01 < snyke> hmm
20:01 < snyke> has anyone of you experience in MySQL?
20:03 < tsa> i can drop tables and databases..is that enough?
20:06 < snyke> no..
20:06 < snyke> not really
20:07 < snyke> I had to know what table type to use for complex tables which have to be searched super-fast
20:07 < snyke> but don't have to be safe
20:07 < snyke> (a bayes-spam-db)
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22:05 < owl> re
22:06 < Mike1> Welcome Back owl
22:08 < owl> thx
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23:13 < Mike1> ok i'm off
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23:21 < kasc> n8 ihr's
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