-!- Irrsi  Log opened Mon Feb 17 00:00:10 2003
[01:10]   tsa yawns ..
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[02:14] < holyolli> moin
[02:14] < tsa> tag olli.
[02:14] < holyolli> hi tsa.
[02:14] < tfing> tag ?! ;)
[02:15] < holyolli> tfing: something like 'hej'
[02:15] < tfing> holyolli: ;)
[02:15] < holyolli> ;)
[02:15] < tfing> isn't supposed to mean "guten tag" ?
[02:15] < holyolli> tfing: principially yes..but 'tag' is the short slang form
[02:16] < tfing> it was just the 'tag' at 2 am ... ;)
[02:17] < holyolli> ah...the reason is that i am actually in another timezsone
[02:17] < holyolli> timezone even
[02:17] < holyolli> but anyway..tsa greets at any time with 'tag' ;-)
[02:17] < tfing> =]
[02:18] < tsa> hehe
[02:18]   tsa just discovered the "holyolli live p0rn web site".. ;-)
[02:19] < holyolli> tfing: is gu.se goetenbergs university
[02:19] < holyolli> ?
[02:19] < tfing> holyolli: yep
[02:19] < tfing> gothenbug
[02:19] < tfing> gothenburg
[02:19] < holyolli> i c
[02:19] < holyolli> tsa: webcams are funny, aren't they...?;)
[02:19] < tsa> ack ;)
[02:20] < tfing> hmm, while i think about it
[02:20] < tfing> tsa: your slrn package doesn't a so complicated slrn.conf file
[02:20] < tfing> +need
[02:21] < tsa> hm..indeed...jsut modifying confopt should be sufficent..
[02:21] < tfing> i had a look at it when i compiled slrn
[02:21] < tfing> but i forgot to tell anyone
[02:21] < tsa> hehe
[02:22] < tsa> i'll change it with the next update..
[02:23] < tsa> holyolli: these side-by-side desk boxes in your computer room remind me of dilbert comic strips..somehow..
[02:23] < holyolli> tsa: *lol*
[02:23] < holyolli> tsa: well..its typical for this country...
[02:25] < tsa> ..at least they have nice axis cams..
[02:26] < holyolli> tsa: /me is thinking about the fact that the cams only work with ie...
[02:26] < tsa> holyolli: hm?
[02:28] < holyolli> tsa: r u using windows?
[02:28] < tsa> no.
[02:29] < holyolli> tsa: strange. with opera/win it doesn't work
[02:30] < tsa> hm...galeon works.
[02:30] < tsa> except the "enter termina services" link - whatever might hide behind it..
[02:31] < tsa> +l
[02:31] < holyolli> tsa: it some windows terminal crap...
[02:31] < tsa> hm..
[02:32] < tsa> some vbscript stuff.
[02:32] < holyolli> does anybody know a linux floppy distribution with fat- and devfs-support?
[02:33] < tsa> holyolli: hm...tried the RH boot disks?
[02:33] < holyolli> tsa: jepp..devfs is missing...
[02:33] < tsa> you need devfs what for?
[02:34] < holyolli> tsa: for installing rock.. the install-loader otherwise breaks with an error
[02:34] < tsa> hm..
[02:34] < holyolli> (unfortunately i have only 1.6per3 hre
[02:34] < holyolli> 1.6pre3 here)
[02:35] < holyolli> tsa: any ideas?
[02:36] < tsa> dettux? ;-))
[02:36] < holyolli> tsa: btw. you can also listens to our radio communications when we are in school..
[02:36] < holyolli> tsa: hrmpf ;)
[02:36] < tsa> hehe
[02:36] < tsa> what about fli4l?
[02:37] < holyolli> hm. does it have devfs? i already tried some floppy-distros..but they have not both - fat and devfs
[02:37]   holyolli looks after fli4l...
[02:37] < tsa> hm..don't know.
[02:37] < holyolli> *surf*
[02:39] < tfing> hmmm, shouldn't there be a recommandation to *not* gzip the patches on the ml ?
[02:41] < tsa> 7. Don't pack your patches to tar-files. That makes it much harder to open
[02:41] < tsa>     and read them in a mail-reader. Only compress a patch if it's _really_ big.
[02:41] < tsa> Documentation/Developers/PATCHES ..
[02:42] < tfing> fortunately, mutt has a pipe command
[02:42] < tfing> but it's nicer not having to use it
[02:42] < tsa> unfortunately, i don't have zless..
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[02:43]   tsa going to bed.
[02:43] < tsa> cu all
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[07:04] < blindcoder> moin
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[08:46] < esden> morning !
[08:46] < blindcoder> hi esden
[08:46]   esden has got net !!!
[08:46] < esden> weee
[08:46] < blindcoder> I see you got network now :)
[08:47] < kasc> moin
[08:47] < blindcoder> @uni or @"home"?
[08:47] < blindcoder> moin kasc
[08:47] < esden> I went to the housemenagment and asked for network configuration ;-)
[08:47] < esden> blindcoder: no at home ;-)
[08:47] < blindcoder> hehe
[08:47] < esden> but I had most of the net working till I went to them
[08:47] < blindcoder> kasc: the sdl_net and sdl_ttf were in your repository, do I see this correct?
[08:48] < esden> but I could not find out what the nameserver is ;-)
[08:48] < esden> hi kasc
[08:48] < blindcoder> esden: *lol* if it's only that :)
[08:48] < kasc> blindcoder: yep. should i have put them in your repository?
[08:48] < blindcoder> kasc: not necessarily, I just thought about putting them in ONE (maybe SDL) rep so that they are bundled together
[08:50] < kasc> maybe we should also put the games into one games repository or something alike...
[08:50] < blindcoder> hmm... sounds reosonable.
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[08:51] < blindcoder> we could also build all the games in stage 6 (since the man-page section for games also is 6) :)
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[08:51] < blindcoder> nothing else uses this stage yet IIRC
[08:51] < kasc> hehe
[08:52] < blindcoder> I'll send a mail to the list asking for comments
[08:53] < kasc> k :)
[08:53] < esden> blindcoder: OFYI the mutt on apollo is not overpatched ... I compiled it myself
[08:53] < esden> so marking as new is some other problem ...
[08:53] < blindcoder> esden: hmm... okay
[08:54] < blindcoder> esden: maybe you can find this patch you used again so it can be included in ROCK or at least in my personal tree here :)
[08:57] < esden> I will see what I can do
[08:57]   esden thinks about going to bed ;-)
[08:59] < blindcoder> okay, mail sent
[08:59] < blindcoder> esden: tztztz, you shall learn, not sleep!
[08:59] < esden> *yawn*
[09:17] < owl> moin
[09:20] < blindcoder> moin owl
[09:20] < kasc> moin owl
[09:21] < owl> hi kasc
[09:21] < owl> hi blindy
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[09:30] < esden> cool icq working too
[09:30] < esden> hi owl
[09:30] < owl> hi esden
[09:30] < blindcoder> esden: transconnected?
[09:30] < esden> no over proxy ... licq can do that ;-)
[09:30] < blindcoder> hmm... didn't know licq could
[09:31] < owl> don't use the word proxy esden... or it will be a auto-kick-function executed :P
[09:31] < blindcoder> PROXY
[09:31] < blindcoder> PROXY
[09:31] < blindcoder> PROXY
[09:31] < blindcoder> :D
[09:31] < blindcoder> *ruuuuun*
[09:32] < esden> blindcoder: which transconnect version do you use ?
[09:32] < esden> or used ?
[09:34] < blindcoder> 1.2
[09:34] < blindcoder> brb
[09:35] < esden> hmm ... I try the beta
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[09:41] < blindcoder> esden: is the connection stable?
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[09:49] < esden> blindcoder: no ... I tryed to connect to apollo over ssh and it says that port 22 refuses connection >_<
[09:51] < owl> what about port-mapping on the machine the proxy runs at?
[09:52] < blindcoder> owl: if esden had access to the proxy he wouldn't need transconnect
[09:52] < owl> ah so.
[09:55] < blindcoder> hehe, nothing like "natural" cooled water :)
[09:55] < blindcoder> esden: the water bottles are still _cold_
[09:55] < blindcoder> brb
[10:01] < esden> blindcoder: I can imagine that ;-)
[10:01] < blindcoder> re
[10:02] < blindcoder> esden: why? they were only out there for... 3 days? :)
[10:02] < esden> that they are not frozen is strange
[10:02] < blindcoder> esden: 1) they're under pressure
[10:02] < blindcoder> 2) the "Kohlensaeure"
[10:03] < esden> hmm that may be an explination
[10:04] < blindcoder> mhm
[10:06] < blindcoder> hmm...
[10:06] < blindcoder> let's see...
[10:06] < blindcoder> who knows be good enough to know how she can drive me crazy...
[10:09] < blindcoder> s/be/me/
[10:09] < owl> haeh?
[10:11] < blindcoder> owl: that chocolate box IS driving me crazy
[10:11] < owl> hehehe
[10:17] < esden> lol
[10:18] < blindcoder> after all, I'd like like to return that favor...
[10:19] < owl> hum?
[10:19] < esden> the crazy making ?
[10:20] < blindcoder> esden: if possible, that one, too :)
[10:21] < blindcoder> owl: https://www.animeftp.net/valentine.php
[10:21] < esden> blindcoder: yes now I understand
[10:21] < esden> a white box ;-)
[10:22] < blindcoder> sure :)
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[10:27] < blindcoder> I wonder if they are now here for real :)
[10:30] < esden> blindcoder: I do not think so ...
[10:31]   esden found a server with movies in the network ;-)
[10:37] < blindcoder> esden: no surprise there :)
[10:39] < esden> yes ;-)
[10:41] < blindcoder> ALX said there was even a huge Anime Server there. Please try to locate that one for me :)
[10:46] < esden> yes will try to
[10:46] < blindcoder> thanks :)
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[11:39] < owl> wtf...?
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[12:03] < tsa> hi all
[12:03] < owl> hi tsa
[12:03] < owl> <-- having lunch now. bbl
[12:05] < blindcoder> an guadn
[12:05] < blindcoder> hi tsa
[12:05] < owl> thx
[12:05] < tsa> moin owl, blindcoder
[12:10] < kasc> moin tsa
[12:10] < esden> hmm ... /me gets hungry
[12:11] < esden> hi tsa, kasc
[12:12] < blindcoder> esden: watashi mo
[12:12] < blindcoder> esden: But I'm looking forward to a BIG salad for lunch today *yummy*
[12:13]   esden killing some unborn chickens ;-)
[12:13] < blindcoder> hmmm... that woud be "ore mo" or "boku mo"... dammit... think b4 u type, blindy
[12:14] < blindcoder> esden: hehe, if you had some bread and a toaster and some onion and oil then you could make ome really good lunch :)
[12:18] < tsa> hi esden
[12:18] < tsa> hm...any comments on dropping bdb33 ?
[12:21] < esden> yes I have bread and cheese and oil
[12:21] < esden> onion too but I thought about it too late
[12:21] < esden> now I eat eggs with cheese ;-)
[12:23] < esden> ahh first part of Gangs in New York is nearly here ;-)
[12:24]   esden watching
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[12:32] < blindcoder> rehi
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[12:39] < owl> hi Digital_Angel
[12:40] < Digital_Angel> hi
[12:40] < blindcoder> hi Digital_Angel
[12:41]   blindcoder off to lunch
[12:41] < Digital_Angel> hi blind...
[12:44] < owl> blindcoder: good appettite
[12:45] < kasc> i just found a kana trainer... anyone interested?
[12:45] < tsa> a what?
[12:46] < esden> kasc: blindcoder is interested for sure
[12:46] < esden> kasc: url ?
[12:46] < kasc> esden: www.directfb.org in the download section
[12:46] < kasc> will be in my next games patch ;)
[12:46] < esden> kasc: good
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[12:59] < kasc> esden: do you know where to get a japanese ttf?
[12:59] < esden> no idea ...
[13:01] < kasc> blindcoder: do you?
[13:06] < owl> someone knows where i can get a monitor for my DEC 3000/300 LX? i'm getting insane by this machine....
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[13:19] < owl> *ARGH* C# is sooooo ugly!
[13:22] < blindcoder> kasc: nope, sorry. I only use kterm and xjdic23 for jap<->eng
[13:23] < kasc> without a japanese ttf the kana trainer wont work :(
[13:23] < blindcoder> hmm... kana as in Katakana?
[13:24] < kasc> and hiragana, yes
[13:25] < blindcoder> hmm... may be worth a look... I've seen several of these trainers (in java and others) but they all lacked configurability
[13:26] < kasc> hmm... debian has some japanese fonts...
[13:32] < kasc> think i have found them but i cant read if there is any license on them...
[13:32] < kasc> https://www.on.ics.keio.ac,jp/~yasu/linux/fonts/
[13:34] < blindcoder> hmm... 404
[13:34] < blindcoder> oh
[13:34] < kasc> oh, the ',' should be a '.'
[13:37] < blindcoder> hmm... strange... there seems to be _no_ license on it...
[13:38] < kasc> thats indeed strange
[13:39] < blindcoder> at least I can find no hint of one in some tarballs I've downloaded for testing
[14:29] < owl> *grrrr* H - A - T - E!!!
[14:30] < blindcoder> We Are Right!
[14:31] < owl> blindcoder: ?
[14:32] < blindcoder> WAR! We Are Right!
[14:32] < blindcoder> not that I'd support it
[14:32] < blindcoder> just saw that quote in a fortune
[14:33] < owl> haeh?
[14:33] < owl> *confused*
[14:34] < blindcoder> you are shouting HATE, and the first thing coming to mind is WAR
[14:35] < owl> no. m4$0$0f7... or visual studio.net
[14:36] < blindcoder> hehe
[14:37] < owl> blindcoder: eh! you're evil! *hrhr*
[14:38] < owl> it's totally unreadable code i have in front of my eyes - and all this crap was produced by cruel .NET IDE
[14:39] < blindcoder> you are coding i, aren't you?
[14:41] < owl> yes and no... i can't do anything about the default variable names (like TextHasteNichtGesehenButton12393) ... expect renaming it
[14:42] < blindcoder> *loooool*
[14:42] < blindcoder> I know why I don't like a) IDE's b) Hungarian Notation
[14:44] < owl> a) IDE's are - normally ok. b) hungarian notation imho too
[14:45] < owl> but not a M$-hungarian... this is just usable if you're in suicidal mood... cuz then you're killed by the source code *hrhr*
[14:45] < owl> ah... gvim... i'm loving it :)
[14:47] < blindcoder> screen + make + vim + vim + vim + vim + ... + man
[14:47] < blindcoder> what a sw33t IDE :)
[14:50] < owl> blindcoder: it's not a IDE - even if you think so :P
[14:51] < blindcoder> it's an Environment for coding and Debugging and itIntegrates everything I need. I D E
[14:52] < owl> *lol* new meaning of IDE - defined by blindy ;)
[14:52] < blindcoder> thanks, you don't have to thank me :)
[14:53] < owl> *bow*
[14:54] < blindcoder> good girl :)
[14:54] < owl> master blindcoder :P
[14:54] < blindcoder> hehe
[14:58] < snyke> ^_^
[14:59] < owl> moin snyke
[14:59] < snyke> moin
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[15:15] < Digital_Angel> Bye @all
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[15:16] < owl> *sniff*
[15:18] < blindcoder> *lol*
[15:18] < owl> blindcoder: not funny *kick*
[15:18] < blindcoder> not for yo, that is :D
[15:19] < owl> blindcoder: :PPP for another person, not, too :-(
[15:19] < blindcoder> *MUAHAHAHAHA*
[15:19] < owl> blindcoder: eh!!!
[15:20] < blindcoder> :D
[15:51] < tsa> bbl
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[15:55]   blindcoder going home
[15:55] < blindcoder> baba
[15:56] < owl> bye blindy
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[16:03] < Digital_Angel> Hi @all
[16:04] < Digital_Angel> I have a problem by the rocklinux installation? I need help...
[16:04] < Digital_Angel> -?
[16:06] < Digital_Angel> When i press enter by the "boot:" prompt then came the error message: BIOS data check W03.
[16:26] < rolla> do you have scsi disks?
[16:27] < rekcah> hi
[16:28] < Digital_Angel> rolla: No
[16:29] < owl> rolla: he's using 1.6-pre-3...
[16:29] < Digital_Angel> I have a old Siemens Nixdorf PC 100 Mhz with a 24x IDE-CD-Rom and 6 GB HDD...
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[16:29] < owl> i thougth this problem was fixed in 1.5.17...?
[16:29] < owl> hi Digital_Angel
[16:29] < owl> eh demian
[16:30] < demian> i hate when somone sends gziped patches via mail
[16:30] < rolla> hmm there problems that were fixed in 1.5.17 and are broken lasted I looked in 1.6prex
[16:31] < demian> hellohu owl
[16:32] < owl> *ARGH* i hope you're just kidding, rolla ?
[16:34] < owl> hm. schande...
[16:34] < rolla> owl: I never kid
[16:35] < rolla> that is why I stopped messing with 1.6prex
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[16:39] < tsa> hi
[16:40] < demian> hi tsa
[16:41] < owl> rolla: oh god!!!
[16:42] < owl> this is why i downgraded (or being in process of downgrading) to 1.5.19 again
[16:48] < rolla> :)
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[16:49] < Mike1> moin
[16:49] < demian> morning Mike1
[16:50] < demian> i just presented my asm home work :)
[16:50] < demian> it really sucks a lot :)
[16:50] < Mike1> LOL
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[17:17] < blindcoder> rehi
[17:17] < demian> re blindcoder
[17:17] < Mike1> hi blindcoder
[17:17] < blindcoder> hi Mike1
[17:17]   blindcoder is about to go to his doc for a complete checkup
[17:18] < demian> i just wondered about what nethack game is.. seems to be a complex game at first sight
[17:18] < demian> da u know a cool game to pass the time ?
[17:18] < blindcoder> demian: it's easy
[17:18] < blindcoder> once you learned all the controlsw that is
[17:18] < blindcoder> bzflag
[17:19] < demian> blindcoder: i started it, and a frame appeared after some questions of my personality :s
[17:19] < demian> isee
[17:19] < blindcoder> yes, thath;s the map
[17:19] < blindcoder> *argh*
[17:19] < blindcoder> I can't type on non-dvorak keyboards anymore
[17:20] < demian> that ?? a map ? it is a little frame with several chars.. ill read the docs first then
[17:21] < blindcoder> hehe, yes that'more than advisable in this game
[17:21] < blindcoder> it's the part of the map that you already discovered
[17:22] < demian> and the < $ # @ 8 & what are? items, people ?
[17:25] < blindcoder> type / and choose object and press . for info
[17:26] < demian> ill do it :), thanx
[17:54] < kasc> blindcoder: that kana trainer works fine, i'm sure you'll like it :)
[17:58] < kasc> btw: re
[18:12] < tsa> hm...anyone with a p4 cpu?
[18:12] < demian> p4 have 24 stages for pipelining :)
[18:13] < demian> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz
[18:13] < tsa> nice.
[18:13] < tsa> can you do a test build with intel's icc?
[18:14] < tsa> this hasn't been tasted for a long time, so it would be good to get some feedback
[18:14] < demian> im not root here, do i need to be ?
[18:14] < tsa> yes..
[18:16] < demian> :(
[18:22] < blindcoder> rehi
[18:22] < blindcoder> just been to the doc
[18:22] < blindcoder> where to get that icc?
[18:23] < blindcoder> kasc: waiting for the package :)
[18:26] < tsa> https://www.intel.com/software/products/compilers/downloads/clin.htm
[18:32] < kasc> blindcoder: i'm currently waiting for some solutions from the clanlib mailinglist before i submit the package
[18:33] < kasc> in case i have to up/down-grade directfb...
[18:33] < blindcoder> i see
[18:34] < blindcoder> Length: 64,921,600 (unauthoritative)
[18:34] < blindcoder> WTF??
[18:35] < kasc> clanlib is rather nasty, but unfortunately needed by some great games
[18:37] < blindcoder> never bothered with it
[18:37] < demian> clanbomber
[18:37] < kasc> jep
[18:39] < kasc> or pingus
[18:51] < blindcoder> tsa: okay, download finished. Any special way to install it or something?
[18:52] < tsa> blindcoder: you'll have to get a license file..
[18:52] < tsa> should be somewhere on the intel site..don't know the exact location
[18:56] < blindcoder> tsa: will the unsupported non-commercial version do?
[18:57] < tsa> dont know..
[19:03] < demian> i was trying to do a bootable cd.. and it was cool, but.. i noted that it only boots i my pc .. :s
[19:03] < demian> dunno why it isnt booting in other pc's
[19:03] < blindcoder> install can't identify your machine type, glibc or kernel.
[19:03] < blindcoder> *LOL*
[19:06] < blindcoder> okay, icc installed
[19:06] < demian> umm, what do i need to make my bootable cd compatible with other machines? curretly lilo isnt working on other systems
[19:07] < blindcoder> hmm...
[19:07] < blindcoder> ROCK wants icc 6.0
[19:07] < tsa> hm...should be patcheable..
[19:09] < blindcoder> I just try with icc 70
[19:09] < tsa> cool, thanks.
[19:10] < blindcoder> how much better is icc?
[19:11] < tsa> 20-30% faster, intel says..
[19:11] < blindcoder> sweet
[19:12] < tsa> which means 10% ;-)
[19:12] < blindcoder> well, that's at least something :)
[19:13] < demian> if intel did a c++ compiler, it should give some cpu improvements
[19:13] < blindcoder> indeed
[19:13] < tsa> ack
[19:13] < blindcoder> but someone should tell them what gzip or bzip2 is
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[19:30] < blindcoder> >_<
[19:30] < blindcoder> glibc cannot be compiled without optimisation
[19:32] < demian> :)
[19:32] < demian> CFLAGS ?
[19:32] < blindcoder> dunno
[19:32] < blindcoder> it builds fine with gcc
[19:32] < demian> probably
[19:33] < demian> just do CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -03"
[19:33] < dreamind> Hi
[19:33] < demian> it'll work
[19:33] < demian> hi dreamind
[19:33] < tsa> add "-O" to the .conf..
[19:33] < tsa> ..and send a patch if it works..
[19:35] < tsa> if [ $ROCKCFG_DEFAULT_CC = 'icc' ]; ... else.. fi
[19:35] < blindcoder> tsa: I'll try
[19:38] < blindcoder> tsa: seems to work
[19:48]   blindcoder going to bed.. good night
[19:49] < demian> cya blindcoder
[19:50] < tsa> cu blindcoder
[19:50] < demian> i leave too, im falling..
[19:51] < tsa> cu demian
[20:01] < snyke> hmm
[20:01] < snyke> has anyone of you experience in MySQL?
[20:03] < tsa> i can drop tables and databases..is that enough?
[20:06] < snyke> no..
[20:06] < snyke> not really
[20:07] < snyke> I had to know what table type to use for complex tables which have to be searched super-fast
[20:07] < snyke> but don't have to be safe
[20:07] < snyke> (a bayes-spam-db)
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[22:05] < owl> re
[22:06] < Mike1> Welcome Back owl
[22:08] < owl> thx
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[23:13] < Mike1> ok i'm off
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[23:21] < kasc> n8 ihr's
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