--- Log opened Sat Apr 05 00:00:39 2003 --- Day changed Sat Apr 05 2003 00:00 < tcr> -h i guess 00:01 < rxr> hm no 00:01 < tcr> well -h together with -l of course ;) 00:03 < rxr> root:/home/rene/develop/rock# ls -l -h 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-* 00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 916 Apr 4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-Documentation.patch 00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 417 Apr 4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-base.patch 00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 380 Apr 4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-gnome14.patch 00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 422 Apr 4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-gnome2.patch 00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 519 Apr 4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-kasc.patch 00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8.6k Apr 4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-rene.patch 00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 331 Apr 4 23:50 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-x11.patch 00:03 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1010 Apr 4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-target.patch 00:04 < tcr> ls of GNU fileutils 4.1.11? 00:04 < rxr> ls (fileutils) 4.1 00:04 < rxr> ... 00:05 < tcr> Hah. Well, should that become a portable script or just one for your own needs? 00:06 < rxr> hm - I once posted the scripts to the ML - but I guess 98% used by me alone ... 00:06 -!- Lorini [~andrea@p3EE218B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:07 < Mike1> wb Lorini 00:07 < Lorini> re 00:07 < tcr> rxr: Is rock-1.7 not up to date concerning the bunch of gnu utils? 00:07 < rxr> it is 00:07 < rxr> but the latest stable is 4.1 00:07 < rxr> the 4.1.11 is alpha 00:08 < rxr> but I bumped the version just a second ago ... 00:08 < tcr> alpha? O_o 00:08 < rxr> jups take a look at ftp.gnu.org 00:08 < rxr> and alpha.gnu.org 00:08 < rxr> the first has 4.1 00:08 < rxr> the second 4.1.11 ... 00:08 < tcr> Hmm. 00:08 < rxr> someone wanted me to update some packages - which one was this ? 00:09 < tcr> strace and openssh 00:09 < tcr> however I'm using that 4.1.11 version since the day it has been announced... and havent encoutnered any bug so far 00:09 < rxr> ah strace openssh 00:10 < rxr> oh - thanks tcr ;-) 00:11 -!- demian [~demian@208.165.55.133] has joined #rocklinux 00:12 < demian> hi 00:12 < rxr> tcr: done 00:14 < rolla> \:) 00:15 < tcr> I hate debian folks... 00:15 < tcr> they're doing just work that makes something compilable on debian systems 00:15 < rolla> :) 00:15 < demian> cya 00:15 < tcr> The version of ash shipped with rock seems quite old (from 96 or so) 00:16 -!- demian [~demian@208.165.55.133] has quit ("leaving") 00:16 < tcr> But debian adapted a netbsd port of it... 00:16 < rxr> == 00:18:42 =[9]=> Building base/strace [4.4.94 1.7-snapshot]. 00:16 < rxr> -> Preparing build in src.strace.1049494715.9173.3656024229 00:16 < rxr> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-strace.out 00:16 < rxr> !> strace.c: In function `detach': 00:16 < rxr> !> strace.c:1098: `PTRACE_SUNDETACH' undeclared (first use .. 00:16 < rxr> !> strace.c:1098: (Each undeclared identifier is reported o .. 00:16 < rxr> !> strace.c:1098: for each function it appears in.) 00:16 < rxr> !> make[1]: *** [strace.o] Error 1 00:16 < rxr> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rene/develop/rock/rock .. 00:16 < rxr> !> make: *** [all] Error 2 00:16 < rxr> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-strace.out -> 9-strace.err 00:16 < rxr> == 04/05/03 00:19:21 =[9]=> Aborted building package strace. 00:17 < tcr> the source is gettable from their homepage... but the makefile within this package is just suited to bsd systems, and the debian/ directory just contains stuff for debian 00:17 < tcr> so de facto I can't do anything with this without sticking with the code 00:21 < rxr> tcr: did you tested strace ? 00:21 < tcr> Hmm... 00:21 < tcr> mom 00:22 < tcr> Oups seems I forgot to actualy compile it (downloaded it already...) 00:27 < rxr> tcr: could you try to compile ? 00:30 < tcr> hmm... ok but it'll take a while 00:31 < rxr> tcr: updateing fileutils is a bad idea 00:31 < rxr> they are mering some pakcages into coreutils - and in the current alpha state of the package the info/man pages clash ... 00:31 < rxr> so I leave the stable 4.1 release until the GNU folks release s.th. useable ... 00:35 * rxr testing an slightly older strace ... 00:40 < rxr> tcr: any news about strace? 00:40 < rxr> Seems to be some red-had kernel only source or so ... 00:41 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@Ba7ae.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:42 < tcr> hmm 00:42 < tcr> yeah i'm also getting compile erros 00:43 -!- rekcah [~demian@208.165.55.133] has joined #rocklinux 00:46 < tcr> Ok got it to compile now 00:46 < rxr> oops my fault 00:47 < rxr> accidently compiled SPARC code on a Athlon ... 00:47 < tcr> Tss.. ;) 00:47 < rxr> no wonder some #include files and definitions are not there ... 00:47 < rxr> == 00:50:08 =[9]=> Building base/strace [4.4.94 1.7-snapshot]. 00:47 < rxr> -> Preparing build in src.strace.1049496606.25306.1173086146 00:47 < rxr> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-strace.out 00:47 < rxr> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-strace.out -> 9-strace.log 00:47 < rxr> == 04/05/03 00:50:41 =[9]=> Finished building package strace. 00:48 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 00:48 < A-Tui> hi 00:48 < tcr> I simply didn't pass the right location for the kernel headers to it (default are the 2.5.x sources here, but it requires 2.4 kernels as it seems) 00:53 -!- Ge0rG` [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:53 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:54 -!- Ge0rG` is now known as Ge0rG 00:56 < rxr> tcr: I also worked arround my file size problem I had with du ... 00:59 < tcr> Wrote your own app? ;) 01:01 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@Ba7ae.pppool.de] has quit ("Kill all extreme people!") 01:03 < tcr> Ok, answered to that bojan guy 01:11 < tcr> gn8 all 01:11 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49F62.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sophos") 01:39 < rxr> n8 - cu 01:39 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-173-117.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("leaving") 01:44 < A-Tui> anyone knows which packages contain sgml-tools? 01:45 < Mike1> party time 01:45 < Mike1> cu all tomorrow 01:45 < A-Tui> bye 01:45 < Mike1> cu Aitor :) 01:45 < A-Tui> cu too :) 01:57 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has joined #rocklinux 01:57 < sten> does anyone know where I can get a rescue.tbz2? 01:58 < sten> (for building) 02:44 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.") 02:53 < sten> does anyone know where I can get a rescue.tbz2 to chroot to, to build ROCK on a running system? 02:55 < A-Tui> mmm i didn't use a rescue disk 02:57 < sten> did you build a 1.5 rescue, and upgrade that? 02:58 < sten> not rescue disk, but rescue.tbz2, by the way. (remember those from the 1.3-1.5 days?) 02:59 < A-Tui> mmm no, my first ROCK was 1.6 sorry, i'm new in ROCK :) 03:01 < sten> ;-) I haven't used it in two years, so all of my ROCK experience is outdated. Did you download the rock-src-1.6, and build that on a running system? 03:01 < A-Tui> yes 03:01 < A-Tui> on a slack system 03:01 < sten> I'm currently on a slack system too ;-) 03:01 < A-Tui> and i didn't make a chroot enviroment 03:02 < A-Tui> do you know what's the meaning of ext-config/disabled packages? 03:03 < sten> I think that those are the packages which have been temporarily disabled, because they don't build properly, or else break other packages 03:04 < A-Tui> ok, i'm trying to build sgml-tools, but it's is on disabled tree 03:07 < sten> my guess would still be that it's a work in progress. 03:08 < A-Tui> i suppose it :) 03:10 < sten> hmmm, I think I'm going to try a 1.6 build, and then upgrade to 1.7. (I need the Desktop target that 1.7 has) 03:10 < A-Tui> i will make a 1.7 build soon, at the moment i'm learning about ROCK 03:12 < sten> good luck. Nice talking to you, I've got to go 03:12 -!- sten [~sten@24.66.194.105] has quit ("Killed by Cap (Requested by panasync)") 03:20 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@Ba96e.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:33 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@pD9522790.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (":x") 03:54 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 04:12 -!- javito [~javito@200.175.52.47] has joined #rocklinux 04:34 -!- javito [~javito@200.175.52.47] has quit ("Client Exiting") 05:05 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@Ba96e.pppool.de] has quit ("Kill all extreme people!") 08:07 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FA3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:50 < esden> good morning 09:24 < blindcoder> esden: I wish you a wonderful mortitg on your birthday! 09:24 < blindcoder> esden: may everything you start today work out the way you want it to! 09:24 < blindcoder> esden: erm... you don't believe me, do you? 09:24 < blindcoder> esden: well, anyways... HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ESDEN!! 09:28 < esden> thank you very much blindcoder 09:29 < esden> I hope that everything turns out in the right way ... fscking exam >_< 09:29 < blindcoder> aw, come on... that's what you learned for the whole wweek 09:29 < blindcoder> you'll pass that exam easily 09:29 < blindcoder> after ten minutes you'll say: "Teacher, coul'd I please have the second part of the test?" 09:29 < blindcoder> Teacher: "There is no second part..." 09:30 < blindcoder> esden: "Oh... then I'm done already?! WEEE!" 09:31 < esden> hehe ... that would be good if it became so ... 09:31 < esden> but I can not believe that ... 09:31 * blindcoder smacks esden with a +5 LART 09:32 < blindcoder> IT WILL! 09:32 < esden> autsh ... that hurts ... 09:32 < esden> with god help yes ;-) 09:32 < blindcoder> good 09:32 < blindcoder> EVERYONE! PRAY TO WHATEVER SUPERNATURAL BEING YOU BELIEVE IN SO THAT ESDEN CAN PASS HIS EXAM! 09:33 < esden> thanks blindcoder you are the best 09:34 < blindcoder> I know, I know... but thanks for teling me :D 09:34 < esden> I like it when you are in good mood ;-) 09:34 < blindcoder> :) 09:35 < esden> kida hidi somo ... aki 09:35 < esden> or so ... this song is cool 09:36 < blindcoder> aahh.... crap... I have to go shopping... 09:36 < esden> O_o 09:36 < blindcoder> Melanie's birthday is on Monday... I need to get something for her 09:36 * -> esden makes another cup of tee 09:36 * blindcoder had his first cup of coffee already today :) 09:37 < blindcoder> okay, I'm off... see you l8er 09:37 < blindcoder> esden: do good on your exam, or you will only get half of your birthday presents! 09:37 < esden> urgh ... ok 09:37 < esden> cu l8er 09:46 -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: kasc 09:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kasc 09:50 < huebi> Moin 09:51 < esden> morning huebi 09:51 < huebi> huhu esden 09:51 * huebi just starts a new build of 1.6.0preX 09:52 < huebi> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ESDEN!! 09:54 < huebi> Nice feeling to hear the noise of the SCSI disks in the rack in the bath^H^H^H^Hserverroom again 09:55 < huebi> uuuhh, many updates 09:56 < esden> thank you huebi 09:56 < esden> lool ... that must sound terribly loud in such a room 09:56 < huebi> esden: Yes, I can hear them through the whole flat. 09:57 < huebi> Seagate Cheetah are quite noisy 09:57 < huebi> +s 09:58 < esden> yes cheetahs are very loud ... I can remember ... 09:58 * -> esden has to buy a disk for his natalie finally >_< 09:59 < huebi> esden: Should I have a look for another Quantum Fiseball SE 8.4GB SCSI disk for you? 09:59 < esden> hmm ... -3 hours to the exam >_< GRRR 10:00 < esden> if you have one lying around that you do not need ... sure 10:00 < esden> but ide would be sufficient too 10:00 < huebi> esden:you'll have to pass it at 13h00? 10:00 < esden> yes 10:01 < esden> Discrete Structures ... >_< 10:01 < esden> it makes fun in some way ... but the exams are way to difficult ... 10:01 < huebi> esden: Much fun AND success 10:01 < esden> thank you 10:16 < huebi> esden: https://www.lcd-module.de/index.html 10:16 < huebi> DIP-Module: https://www.lcd-module.de/deu/doma/doma.htm 10:18 < esden> hmm ... *click* 10:20 < huebi> https://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/5d6a/zoom/ *LOOOL* 10:21 < esden> hmm .. die DIP module sind cool 10:21 < huebi> JAA, das sind sie. 10:21 < esden> hehe ... there is no home ;-) that is all it says ;-) 10:22 < huebi> Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel this is incorrect. - hmmmm 10:23 < huebi> ausgesperrt? 10:24 < esden> scheint so 10:30 < esden> wie sieht es mit dem multifunktionsdisplay aus? 10:31 < huebi> ruht gerade - Patrick muss gerade 'ne Huette in Muenchen mit Homeautomation ausstatten. Ist aber nicht vergessen. 10:31 < esden> gut gut 10:40 -!- BOFH_org [~root@191-198.bbned.dsl.internl.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 10:52 * -> esden leaving 10:52 < esden> cu l8er 10:52 < huebi> esden: cu 11:04 -!- tibit [~tibit@p508AA631.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:08 < blindcoder> back 11:08 < blindcoder> moin huebi 11:19 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@p5090950E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:20 < Freak> https://www.asciipr0n.com/archive/0013/bonnie/craft/ 11:21 -!- tibit_ [~tibit@p508AAE95.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:23 -!- kasc [~kasc@p50908D27.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11:33 < blindcoder> Freak: You know... I might actually do something like that... 12:00 < Freak> huh? :) 12:04 < huebi> re 12:04 < huebi> moin blindcoder 12:04 < huebi> moin Freak 12:06 < Freak> moin 12:12 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B1A0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("brb, changing back to wmaker") 12:14 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B1A0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:15 -!- o1k [~Ringo@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 12:17 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-173-117.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:17 < rxr> hi 12:18 < Freak> re 12:19 < o1k> hi rxr ! Ima same as ringo78_ sri for that but than I dont have to switch systems ... o1k obi wan kanobi ;-) 12:22 < o1k> Just tryed to build 1.7 ./scripts/Build-Target default but where are the bin packeges ? 12:24 < o1k> I dont have anything in $root/pkgs? 12:25 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B1A0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exciting") 12:25 < blindcoder> o1k: do you have Stage 9 enabled? 12:27 < o1k> hmm in ./scripts/Config [Make rebuild stage stage (stage 9)] yes, but there are some errors... 12:27 < o1k> s/errors/packeges failed/ 12:29 -!- Freak [freak@p508B12B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:30 < blindcoder> o1k: if Stage 9 is enabled then the .gems are generated there 12:35 < o1k> I think I remember its not yet in stage 9 now stage 5 I'll wait. Thanks blindcoder. 12:36 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:57 < Lorini> morning 12:58 < blindcoder> moin moin Lorini 13:03 < Freak> morgen 13:10 * Lorini is tired 13:11 < blindcoder> why? 13:17 < Lorini> not enough sleep :) 13:20 < blindcoder> what have you done yeterday? 13:21 < blindcoder> wait... I don't want to know... I think... 13:24 < Lorini> lol 13:24 < Lorini> nothing 13:24 < Lorini> talk, nothing else 13:25 < blindcoder> i see 13:38 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958FA3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: blindcod1r!blindcoder@pD958F06D.dip.t-dialin.net))) 13:39 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F06D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:11 -!- _NULL [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit ("leaving") 14:12 -!- _NULL [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:12 < _NULL> hi 14:12 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F06D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: blindcod1r!blindcoder@pD9E4FBFC.dip.t-dialin.net))) 14:12 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FBFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:12 < _NULL> hi blindcoder 14:13 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 14:56 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 14:56 < tfing> yop 14:57 < _NULL> hi tfing 15:10 -!- Obi-Wan [~hussein@j152.sja21.jaring.my] has joined #rocklinux 15:10 < _NULL> hi Obi-Wan 15:10 < Obi-Wan> hi _NULL 15:10 < Obi-Wan> Is Mr. Woolf around? 15:11 < _NULL> nope... 15:11 < blindcoder> I don't think so 15:11 < Obi-Wan> Mr. Clifford Wolff 15:11 < Obi-Wan> ah 15:12 < Obi-Wan> when is he around usually? 15:12 < blindcoder> erm... to be honest... almost never... it's etter to contact him by mail 15:12 < _NULL> <-- getting something eatable... brb 15:12 < blindcoder> _NULL: that's edible... not eatable 15:12 < Obi-Wan> I see 15:13 -!- Obi-Wan [~hussein@j152.sja21.jaring.my] has quit (Client Quit) 15:30 < _NULL> re 15:30 < _NULL> blindcoder: whatever 15:31 < blindcoder> _NULL: ? 15:31 < blindcoder> ah.. I really forgot how usable a virgin Windows was... 15:31 < _NULL> blindcoder: eadible, eatable, whatever ;) 15:32 < blindcoder> edible 15:32 < _NULL> :P 15:35 < ringo78_> dictionairy : edible see eatable so they must be synonym.. ;-) 15:36 < blindcoder> hmm.. I learned eatable was wrong, only edible is correct... okay, won't say anythign anymore :) 15:43 -!- Be-El [be-el@pD9E116FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:43 < Be-El> hi ppl 15:45 < o1k> blindcoder: I just use a plain dictionairy ... sorry ... 15:46 < Be-El> did someone try the router target lately ? it breaks in stage0, missing some header files 15:48 < _NULL> hi Be-El 15:49 < Be-El> hi owl 15:53 -!- o1k [~Ringo@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has quit ("Lost terminal") 15:57 -!- o1k [~Ringo@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 15:59 < _NULL> Be-El: how are you? 16:00 < Be-El> tired...got up way too early this morning 16:00 < _NULL> hehe :p 16:06 < o1k> Descartes found that all students have to sleep long and go to bed late ;-), he allways got grate ideas when "allmost sleeping" in the morning ;-) 16:06 < Be-El> o1k: but Descartes didn't own a telephone which may ring at 9 o'clock in the morning on sundays.... ;-) 16:07 < o1k> hmm ok you got me ;-) 16:08 < o1k> Be-El: Perhaps you could tell the story to the one who phoned you 16:09 < Be-El> o1k: i would....but at the time i reached the phone it stopped ringing ;-) 16:09 < blindcoder> iptables -A INPUT -i ppp0 -j REJECT # bad idea 16:11 < rxr> hm - I just got a dRock-2.0.0-alpha works great mail in my inbox ;-) 16:12 < Be-El> ahh....finally...the build has reached stage 1 16:22 < Be-El> so....und wech 16:22 < _NULL> bye Be-El 16:23 -!- Be-El [be-el@pD9E116FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 16:38 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:55 -!- Lorini [~andrea@p3EE218B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell.") 17:03 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4FBFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 17:11 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801C63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:14 < esden> re hi all 17:14 < esden> puhh ... finally back home ... 17:15 < esden> my head feels like someone has hit it very hard with a LART ;-) 17:15 < esden> but also freed ;-) 17:15 < esden> great feeling ;-) 17:16 < _NULL> hi esden 17:17 < esden> hi owl 17:17 -!- Lorini [~andrea@p3EE218B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #RockLinux 17:17 < esden> huhu Lorini 17:17 < Lorini> hi 17:18 < _NULL> hi Lorini 17:18 < Lorini> hi.. 17:29 < blindcoder> hi esden 17:29 < blindcoder> how's the exam been? 17:29 * blindcoder hiding half of esdens presents 17:30 < esden> huhu blindcoder 17:30 < esden> the exam? which exam? 17:31 < esden> urm ... 17:31 < blindcoder> e s d e n . . . 17:31 < esden> I am still alive ... so not as bad as I expected 17:31 < blindcoder> that's good... 17:31 < blindcoder> when will you be @IN? 17:33 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has joined #rocklinux 17:33 < esden> dunno ... 17:33 < esden> I will probably take the train at 18:5x ... 17:34 < blindcoder> okay 17:35 < esden> the I will not be fast enough to get the nearest one ... 17:35 -!- rekcah_ [~demian@196.40.30.179] has joined #rocklinux 17:36 < _NULL> hi rekcah_ 17:44 -!- bluefire [bluefire@pD9E1C017.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:48 -!- rekcah [~demian@208.165.55.133] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:49 < esden> bitte gib uns mehr von dem heissen scheiss denn wir kriegen nicht genug von diesem deichkind style ... 17:49 < esden> WEEE 17:50 < esden> beats machen uns hoeher als auf einem hochhaus 17:50 < esden> cool 17:52 < esden> wippe mit dem beat und beweg dein arsh, wenn es deichkender mike ist bon voyage 17:52 < blindcoder> hae? 17:53 * blindcoder reicht esden Smile.dk - Dragonfly 17:53 < esden> blindcoder: /me sings ... 17:53 < esden> blindcoder: ??? 17:53 < blindcoder> sweet song :) 17:53 < esden> aha ... hrm ... 17:54 < esden> shel be right here in my arms ... shel be right in these arms she can't let go *sing* 17:54 < esden> hmm ... that song is not soo good ... 17:54 * blindcoder now looking through his AMV collection 17:55 < esden> Anime MoVie ? 17:55 < blindcoder> Anime Music Video 17:55 < esden> aaaha 17:56 < esden> hehe .. finally I can read kernel traffic without having bad feelings by doing it ;-) 17:56 < blindcoder> She's so hiiiiiiiighiiiiigh above me 17:56 < blindcoder> bad feelings? 17:56 < esden> yes that I should learn instead of reading it ;-) 17:57 < blindcoder> i see 17:57 < esden> that coused that I read only the headers of the last kernel traffic >_< 17:59 < blindcoder> *LOL* 18:00 < blindcoder> Evangelion - Episode one 18:00 < blindcoder> "Every generation has a legend" 18:00 < blindcoder> and then a walking Evangelion 18:00 < blindcoder> *LOL* 18:00 < blindcoder> "Every saga has a beginnig" 18:00 < blindcoder> and then a demonstration of Misatos Driving Skills 18:01 < blindcoder> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH 18:01 < blindcoder> lip-synchron with Episode 1 Trailor Speech :D 18:02 < blindcoder> I love AMVs :D 18:03 < blindcoder> Martian Successor Nadesico - Futurama Theme :D 18:05 < esden> tztztz 18:05 < blindcoder> and of course 18:05 < blindcoder> the ever-present Baka-Song AMV :D 18:07 < esden> blindcoder: you are addicted ... you know that hopefully ... 18:07 < blindcoder> whatdoes 'addicted' mean? *looks innocently* 18:08 < esden> *small_grin* 18:10 * blindcoder geting hungry... 18:11 < esden> blindcoder: forget it ... 18:11 < esden> eat some bread if you are hungry 18:11 < esden> bread with nothing on top ... 18:11 < blindcoder> r I make me some eggs... 18:12 < blindcoder> the way I told you recently 18:12 < blindcoder> with onions 18:12 * -> esden gets hungry too 18:13 < blindcoder> hehe 18:13 < blindcoder> You tell me things that I never knew 18:13 < blindcoder> Now what amI supposed to do? 18:13 < blindcoder> Running around like a little kid 18:13 < blindcoder> One two three and I'm hip hip hip! 18:13 < blindcoder> Like a dragonfly flying high in the sky 18:14 < blindcoder> There is light above and beyond you and I! 18:14 < blindcoder> Like a dragonfly flying high in the sky 18:14 < blindcoder> There is light above you and I! 18:14 < blindcoder> I love this song *WEEE* 18:14 < Lorini> *g* i like this "WEE" :) 18:15 < blindcoder> I don't know since when I'm saying it... maybe for a year already and I just didn't notice :) 18:16 < esden> I was the first to say that ;-) *showoff* 18:16 < blindcoder> esden: poser *ph* 18:16 < esden> blindcoder: yes and proud of that :P 18:16 < Lorini> lol 18:16 < blindcoder> MUAHAHA 18:16 -!- netrunner_ [~netrunner@p508024F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:17 < blindcoder> esden: get going! your traing goes in half an hour! 18:17 < _NULL> -g 18:17 < blindcoder> owly? 18:17 < esden> *sigh* 18:17 < blindcoder> oh... i see it... 18:17 < esden> it is so cold out there ... 18:17 < _NULL> blindy... you're really blind 18:18 * blindcoder takes a broomstick and hits esden 18:18 < blindcoder> _NULL: I may be oblivious to some things.. but not blind 18:19 < _NULL> "ist ja auch egaaaaaaaaaaal jetzt" 18:20 < blindcoder> "Stop the ROCK! Can't stop the ROCK!" 18:20 * blindcoder now making some breads with egg and onion 18:20 < blindcoder> bbl 18:22 < _NULL> guten appettit 18:22 < Lorini> an guadn :) 18:22 < Lorini> *g* 18:22 < esden> ahh I love the bass of my boxes ;-) 18:22 < Lorini> esden: what about your train? 18:35 < kasc_> re 18:36 < _NULL> hi kasc_ 18:39 < blindcoder> back 18:39 < blindcoder> ah, that was good :) 18:43 < blindcoder> and gone again 18:43 < blindcoder> watching enxt episode of Kyuketsuki Miyu :D 18:55 -!- Lorini_ [~andrea@pD9506BFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #RockLinux 19:12 < Mike1> moin all 19:12 < Lorini_> moin mike :) 19:13 -!- Lorini [~andrea@p3EE218B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:41 < _NULL> hi Mike1 19:41 < _NULL> re all 19:42 < Mike1> welcome back Sandra "Eule" Dismar :) 19:47 < Mike1> ping huebi 19:48 < _NULL> Mike1: :p 20:19 < rxr> hi Mike1 20:19 < Mike1> hi rxr 20:20 < _NULL> hi rxr 20:31 < snyke> hi rxr 20:32 < _NULL> hi snyke 20:32 < snyke> hi 20:57 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:04 < rxr> my iBook is now compiling qt31 ;-) 21:05 < Mike1> _your_ ?!? you already bought it? 21:05 < Mike1> damn you are fast 21:05 < rxr> no - not bought. 21:05 < Mike1> ah your bros? 21:06 < rxr> This the box of my brother - just the one stanging (on the floor) here .... 21:06 * Mike1 would love to see that box building 21:06 < rxr> it already has compiled gnome22 and so ... 21:06 < Mike1> rxr: got snaps? 21:06 < Mike1> s/snaps/screenshots 21:06 < rxr> binary gems ? 21:06 < Mike1> *g 21:07 < rxr> ah - hm running X - or compiling ? 21:07 < rxr> buildins is quite boring just the normal ROCK output ... 21:07 < Mike1> rxr: x + building :) 21:07 < rxr> XFree is also boring - just the usual X graphic ... ;-) 21:07 * rxr building on a vt ... :-( 21:07 < Mike1> arrgg ok 21:08 < rxr> but I might switch to x - and then I make a screenshot for you ... 21:08 < Mike1> Thx :) 21:08 < rxr> cliff seems to be really busy - I allready haev two sync patches sent - and not a single reply .... 21:09 < Mike1> rxr: he has apply all my patches i think 21:09 < rxr> ah - just in this second they got applied ;-) 21:09 < Mike1> perhaps he heard ya compalining :) 21:15 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:39 -!- and [~and@c-134-72-37.b.dial.de.ignite.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:40 < rxr> so three new ROCK packages ... 21:41 < rxr> oops - a quick grep tells me I have 309 taged as maintained by me ... 21:41 < rxr> +g 21:43 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 21:44 < A-Tui> hi all guys 21:45 < Mike1> rxr: why do you like to maintain that _many_ packages? 21:45 < _NULL> hi A-Tui 21:45 < Mike1> hi A-Tui 21:45 < A-Tui> hi _NULL, hi Mike1 21:45 < A-Tui> how all? 21:46 < Mike1> how are you A-Tui? 21:46 < A-Tui> fine, i was studing until now :) 21:46 < A-Tui> now, i'm free :) 21:47 < Mike1> Good 21:47 < _NULL> hehe. 21:47 < Mike1> A-Tui: Good news, the Spanish documentation have been included in the official 1.7 tree a few minutes ago 21:47 < A-Tui> time is not real _NULL 21:47 < _NULL> A-Tui: hrm. 21:48 < Mike1> A-Tui: i will now sent a patch to include the missing files 21:48 < A-Tui> GOOD! i read your patch in mailing list 21:48 < and> Hi All there, can anybody help with building Rock Linux 1.7 DEV? I am getting errors ... 21:48 < A-Tui> _NULL: now is 9,30 pm 21:48 < _NULL> hi and 21:48 < _NULL> A-Tui: ah. k. 21:48 < and> hi _NULL 21:48 < Mike1> and: just ask and we will try to help. 21:48 < and> Thanks ... 21:48 < A-Tui> Mike1: i have new docs translated, and i start with other from doc/Dev 21:48 < Mike1> A-Tui: we are very close to finish the spanish work 21:49 < Mike1> send me the new docs to include them in my patch 21:49 < A-Tui> spanish community is near :) 21:49 < A-Tui> mmm i have one here, wait a minute 21:49 < Mike1> A-Tui: do you speak other languages than spanish and english? 21:49 < _NULL> hehe 21:49 < Mike1> A-Tui: after Spanish we will go after Portugues 21:49 < A-Tui> a bit esperanto 21:49 < A-Tui> :) 21:49 < A-Tui> portuges, mmm galego? 21:50 < A-Tui> my girlfriend is from galicia 21:50 < Mike1> Cool 21:50 < Mike1> A-Tui: ask her if she wanna contribute 21:50 < Mike1> :) 21:50 < A-Tui> ok, i will ask him tonigh 21:50 < and> the error message is : ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line:218 illegal instruction (core dumped) 21:50 < Mike1> A-Tui: 0_o him?!? 21:50 < A-Tui> ops :) 21:50 < A-Tui> her 21:51 < A-Tui> XD 21:51 < Mike1> A-Tui: phew :) 21:51 < A-Tui> a associated him with female, i don't know why :) 21:51 < and> at firdt I thought a ";" is missing betwenn "TZ ..." and . chroot, but that didn't help 21:51 < Mike1> and: ehh? is that 1.7 current cvs? 21:51 < A-Tui> e->male, i->female 21:51 < and> yes, it is 21:52 < _NULL> A-Tui: where are you from in spain? 21:52 < Mike1> A-Tui: that can of mistakes are dangerous my friend :) 21:52 < A-Tui> jajaja 21:52 < A-Tui> _NULL: burgos, a small city in the north 21:52 * Mike1 hoping to see an article about ROCK Linux in todo-linux soon... 21:52 < A-Tui> do you know cip campeador? 21:53 < A-Tui> Mike1: i want talk with you about this 21:53 < Mike1> and: very strange i will run a test to see if i get something. 21:53 < Mike1> A-Tui: well i am here, lets talk :) 21:53 < A-Tui> here there is a paper zine which is dedicated to linux, and only published fdl docs 21:53 < A-Tui> we can send some docs there 21:54 < Mike1> A-Tui: explain.. 21:54 < A-Tui> it could be a great way to know ROCK for spain people 21:54 < and> Mike1: Thanks, it is for P3 optimisation, I read that others had problems too, but nobody did know a solution 21:54 < A-Tui> well, its a magazine 21:54 < Mike1> A-Tui: thats what we need, more people from the spanish community 21:55 -!- rekcah_ [~demian@196.40.30.179] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:55 < Mike1> A-Tui: there are just too many germans in here (no offence) 21:55 < A-Tui> :) 21:55 < Mike1> and: ok i will try it out in a few minutes. 21:55 < A-Tui> i give ROCK binaries of ROCK to some guys of our wireless community, they are now testing it 21:55 < Mike1> and: btw what system are you trying to build rock in? 21:56 < and> Mike1: I tried Rock Linux 1.4 and 1.5.12 21:56 < Mike1> and: i wouldn't recomend to try to build rock 1.7 on any previous rock version 21:57 < Mike1> and: it would be good that you have gcc3 and glibc 2.3 on the system you are building, as well devfs support 21:57 < and> Both versions of Rock Linux have devfs support 21:58 < Mike1> and: but not gcc3 or glibc2.3 21:58 < and> right .. 21:58 < rxr> and: hi 21:59 < and> hi rxr 22:00 < rxr> Mike1: the host gcc and glibc is nearly irelecant ... 22:00 < rxr> -c +v 22:00 < rxr> and: what is in your Build-Pkg line 218 ? 22:00 -!- rekcah [~demian@196.40.30.179] has joined #rocklinux 22:02 < and> it is the closing fi of chroot=1 if 22:02 < Mike1> rxr: ok. 22:02 < Mike1> hi rekcah 22:03 < Mike1> == 13:45:29 =[9]=> Building techworx/mail-openldap [2.1.12 1.7-snapshot] 22:03 < rxr> what does "find -name core 22:03 < rxr> " 22:03 < rxr> yield ? 22:03 < rxr> (int he rock linux source top level directory ...) 22:04 < and> i already searched for that dump but couldn't find it, but i will try again ... 22:05 < rxr> when does the illigal instruction happen? for the first package beeing compiled - or at some time after many other packages ß 22:05 < rxr> err ? 22:06 < and> ...modules/2.4.20/kernel/net/core and ..src/linux-2.4.20-rock/net/core nothing more 22:07 -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD9E49E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:07 < and> after many other packages already were built 22:07 < rxr> in which stage ? 22:07 < and> stage 1 22:08 < tcr> moin all 22:08 < rxr> strange - what is the host system ? 22:08 < tcr> rxr!!!!!!!!! :-) You got three chances to guess what has been released today 22:09 < rxr> coreutils ;-) 22:09 < and> I tried Rock Linux 1.4 kernel 2.4.17 and Rock Linux 1.5.12 with the same kernel 22:09 < rxr> I saw this 22:09 < tcr> exactly ;) isn't that like black magic 22:09 < rxr> tcr: *smile* 22:09 < tcr> and: Why so an old version 22:10 < and> i was still happy with that, until recent :-) now there are too many packages demanding newer gnome libs 22:10 < tcr> rxr: hm, and gaim 0.60 also... will you update or shall I leave a mail to the mailinglist to inform the maintainers? 22:10 < rxr> and any change that our glibc or bash is over optimized for your CPU ? 22:11 < Mike1> tcr: how about sending a patch in stead of a single mail :) 22:11 < rxr> tcr: please inform the maintainer - or send a patch. That is not a package i'm interested int ... 22:11 < tcr> Don't have a running 1.7 system 22:11 < rxr> hm - this 22:11 < tcr> Btw. Mike1... congrats to your i8n project! 22:11 < rxr> openssh needs perl for the make system - and perl is not yet compiled on the iBook :-(((((( 22:12 < tcr> Really? 22:12 < and> rxr: what do you mean by over optimized 22:12 < Mike1> tcr: thank you so much :) 22:12 < rxr> e.g. optmized for Athlon but running on a Pentium-I or so ... 22:13 < rxr> like instructioned used by gcc not present in your CPU ... 22:13 < and> ah, but not so far 22:13 < tcr> Mike1: Only what makes me somewhat wonder is that the hackers howto ends with '- Clifford Wolf '. IMHO you should add a 'Translated by ... <...> and ... <...>' 22:14 < rxr> the iligal instruction signal (exeption) is generated by your CPU when it doesn't like a particual instruction in the CPU's decoder ... 22:14 < tcr> What's and problem after all? 22:15 < and> I also tried P2 optimizations for the purpose of trial out 22:16 < and> trc: the build stops after that indication 22:16 < rxr> remeber that stage1 is not yet using the freshly build binaries - but you system ones ... 22:17 < and> Rock Linux 1.5.12 build without any problem using the P3 optimisation 22:17 < Mike1> 1.5.12 .... 22:17 < and> yes , 1.5.12 22:18 < Mike1> tcr: yeah we will probably, but anyways maybe i will add a file with the names of the i18n team 22:19 < tcr> Mike1: Well then at least drop a line à la 'Translated by the spanish il8n team, see foo/bar' 22:19 < Mike1> tcr: :) 22:19 < rxr> and: could you do a ./scripts/Build-Pkg bash 22:19 < Mike1> tcr: i will, thx for the suggestion 22:19 < rxr> but please select generic no optimization first 22:19 < and> rxr: i will try out now ... 22:20 < rxr> so your system has an unoptimized bash to try if this yields s.th. different ... 22:21 < and> rxr: it seems to compile ... will wait until it is finished 22:21 < tcr> hah.. btw... this morning I spent two and a half hour to compile that (d)ash 0.4.1. But at least I have now a statically linked POSIX conform shell that has a decent speed 22:22 < tcr> And... I really got those different makefile deriverates hated. 22:23 * A-Tui is away: Everybody needs somebody 22:23 * Mike1 needs owl. 22:26 < and> rxr: compilation of bash failed 22:26 < and> :-( 22:27 < rxr> oh what's the error ? 22:27 * Mike1 coding.. 22:29 < and> make: *** [builtins/builtext.h] Error 1 22:29 < rxr> hm :-( 22:30 < rxr> tcr: why dash? seems a bit minimalistic - isn't there s.th. more complete ? 22:32 < tcr> rxr: It's a perfect shell to run scripts with. 22:32 < tcr> Of course for interactive work I still use bash ;) 22:33 < rxr> tcr: does it run the rock scripts ? ;-) 22:33 < tcr> Nope. Yesterday I said that I'll adapt them to a POSIX standard once I'm back developing it 22:34 < rxr> jups I read this - so I was currious if you made some progress ... 22:34 < and> rxr: sorry I forgot to set optimisation to generic, will try again 22:34 < tcr> Not in close future 22:41 < rxr> so iBook finished perl5 22:41 < rxr> hopefully openssh will now build ... 22:43 < and> rxr: it is still compiling, what a miracle, what could be the problem with optimisation? 22:43 < rxr> hm - maybe your host compiler has a code generation bug in some cases you hit - ro you choose the wrong optimization for your CPU ... 22:44 < rxr> but you example is quite curious anyway - since the bash sometimes works (but maybe it is not the bash crashing - this has still to be proved) 22:44 < and> oh yeah, finished to compile :-) so i will try the build with no optimization !! thanks 22:45 < rxr> but it is still possible that the bash crashes - maybe the bash takes some quite uncommon code-path when interpreting the scripts for compiling some packages and there is an instuction not known by your CPU 22:45 < rxr> or you have a faulty system - have you tried memtest86 for a nigth on the box ? 22:46 < and> I did memtest a long time ago, maybe it's worth to do it again 22:46 < rxr> and: be aware that in stage1 the binaries compiled are not yet used (still the cross build) - so when an application has a problem it is the one from your running host system. This is why I let you compile the bash into your running system ... 22:47 < rxr> heat or dust might have made it instable - I also have a dual PII@233Mhz here which doesn't run relyable anymore - it once did ... 22:48 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps") 22:49 < and> so at first i will make the compilation without optimization, then install the system and use that one to build it again 22:49 < and> maybe it woks this way :-) 22:51 < and> thanks to all and rxr especially! 22:51 < rxr> if the problem way in your system's bash it doesn't matter if you optimize the new binaries now. You can then turn optimisation on 22:52 < rxr> if it was not your system's bash the problem remain with or without optimisation ... 22:52 < rxr> when you get the next illinstr you should run memtest86 for some hours - and if this test is ok - we need to figure out the exact application causig the illinst ... 22:53 < and> ok but with generic optimization bash was compiled whereas with P3 opt it wasn't 22:54 < rxr> do you have the exavt error gcc gave then you first tried to compile the optimized bash ? 22:56 < and> unfortunately not because there was no log file written although there wasa mentioning like 9-bash.err, I didn't find that file 22:57 < rxr> when you do a Build-Pkg the package is build into your host system - and so the logs are in /var/adm/logs ... ;-) 22:57 < rxr> but now the .log of the second bash is there ... 22:57 < and> i know 22:58 < and> :-) 22:59 < rxr> and the 9-bash.err wasn't there ? 23:02 < and> shit , now the compilation succeded, no .err file at all, I will try again the the compilation with P3 opts 23:04 < rxr> and: which compilatin ? the Build-Target ? 23:04 < and> no, the Build-Pkg bash 23:06 < rxr> Hm? What did you tried - and why is it a problem that it succeded ? 23:07 < and> ok the problem is that the Buil-Pkg bash fails with P3 optimization and succeeds with no (generic) optimazation 23:08 < and> but maybe that is not a real problem, but i am used to use the optimization acoording to the CPU I am using at target system 23:09 < Mike1> PING esden 23:11 < and> rxr: the 9-bash.err says: [make1] *** [builtext.h] illegal instruction (core dumped) 23:13 < tcr> Hah.. well could be some architecture flaw within rock 1.4? 23:14 < and> the host system runs rock linux 1.5.12 23:15 < tcr> Well, yeah, but -- as far as I followed your chat -- the problems just arises within the chroot which uses 1.4 things exclusively 23:16 < rxr> and: which prog is core dumping ? make ??? 23:16 < rxr> or gcc ? 23:18 < and> make cause the dump 23:19 < and> what about the builtext.h ? 23:19 < rxr> is this a file of bash - or one of make ? 23:22 < and> this file is mentioned as causing illegal instruction during the compilation of mkbuiltins.o 23:24 < tcr> Well, you could examine the core file.. but, truelly speaking, I don't give it any high probability to get any valuable information out of it. That would require a really throughout scrutinizing 23:29 < and> well i will try to built rock with generic optimization on rock 1.5.12, install it and try then a new build from rock 1.7 23:34 < and> thanks to all, bue 23:34 -!- and [~and@c-134-72-37.b.dial.de.ignite.net] has left #rocklinux () 23:51 < rxr> hm /me back ... ;-) 23:53 < Mike1> wb Ren. 23:54 < rxr> now ai have really much on my iBook 23:54 < rxr> a running system incl. even stone 23:54 < rxr> and a build finised stahge 5 halfly ... --- Log closed Sun Apr 06 00:00:57 2003