-!- Irrsi  Log opened Sat Apr 05 00:00:39 2003
[00:00] < tcr> -h i guess
[00:01] < rxr> hm no
[00:01] < tcr> well -h together with -l of course ;)
[00:03] < rxr> root:/home/rene/develop/rock# ls -l -h 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-*
[00:03] < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          916 Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-Documentation.patch
[00:03] < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          417 Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-base.patch
[00:03] < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          380 Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-gnome14.patch
[00:03] < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          422 Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-gnome2.patch
[00:03] < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          519 Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-kasc.patch
[00:03] < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         8.6k Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-rene.patch
[00:03] < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          331 Apr  4 23:50 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-pkgs-x11.patch
[00:03] < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1010 Apr  4 23:49 2clifford-2003-Apr-04-2349-target.patch
[00:04] < tcr> ls of GNU fileutils 4.1.11?
[00:04] < rxr> ls (fileutils) 4.1
[00:04] < rxr> ...
[00:05] < tcr> Hah. Well, should that become a portable script or just one for your own needs?
[00:06] < rxr> hm - I once posted the scripts to the ML - but I guess 98% used by me alone ...
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[00:07] < Mike1> wb Lorini
[00:07] < Lorini> re
[00:07] < tcr> rxr: Is rock-1.7 not up to date concerning the bunch of gnu utils?
[00:07] < rxr> it is
[00:07] < rxr> but the latest stable is 4.1
[00:07] < rxr> the 4.1.11 is alpha
[00:08] < rxr> but I bumped the version just a second ago ...
[00:08] < tcr> alpha? O_o
[00:08] < rxr> jups take a look at ftp.gnu.org
[00:08] < rxr> and alpha.gnu.org
[00:08] < rxr> the first has 4.1
[00:08] < rxr> the second 4.1.11 ...
[00:08] < tcr> Hmm.
[00:08] < rxr> someone wanted me to update some packages - which one was this ?
[00:09] < tcr> strace and openssh
[00:09] < tcr> however I'm using that 4.1.11 version since the day it has been announced... and havent encoutnered any bug so far
[00:09] < rxr> ah strace openssh
[00:10] < rxr> oh - thanks tcr ;-)
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[00:12] < demian> hi
[00:12] < rxr> tcr: done
[00:14] < rolla> \:)
[00:15] < tcr> I hate debian folks...
[00:15] < tcr> they're doing just work that makes something compilable on debian systems
[00:15] < rolla> :)
[00:15] < demian> cya
[00:15] < tcr> The version of ash shipped with rock seems quite old (from 96 or so)
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[00:16] < tcr> But debian adapted a netbsd port of it...
[00:16] < rxr> == 00:18:42 =[9]=> Building base/strace [4.4.94 1.7-snapshot].
[00:16] < rxr> -> Preparing build in src.strace.1049494715.9173.3656024229
[00:16] < rxr> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-strace.out
[00:16] < rxr> !> strace.c: In function `detach':
[00:16] < rxr> !> strace.c:1098: `PTRACE_SUNDETACH' undeclared (first use  ..
[00:16] < rxr> !> strace.c:1098: (Each undeclared identifier is reported o ..
[00:16] < rxr> !> strace.c:1098: for each function it appears in.)
[00:16] < rxr> !> make[1]: *** [strace.o] Error 1
[00:16] < rxr> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rene/develop/rock/rock ..
[00:16] < rxr> !> make: *** [all] Error 2
[00:16] < rxr> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-strace.out -> 9-strace.err
[00:16] < rxr> == 04/05/03 00:19:21 =[9]=> Aborted building package strace.
[00:17] < tcr> the source is gettable from their homepage... but the makefile within this package is just suited to bsd systems, and the debian/ directory just contains stuff for debian
[00:17] < tcr> so de facto I can't do anything with this without sticking with the code
[00:21] < rxr> tcr: did you tested strace ?
[00:21] < tcr> Hmm...
[00:21] < tcr> mom
[00:22] < tcr> Oups seems I forgot to actualy compile it (downloaded it already...)
[00:27] < rxr> tcr: could you try to compile ?
[00:30] < tcr> hmm... ok but it'll take a while
[00:31] < rxr> tcr: updateing fileutils is a bad idea
[00:31] < rxr> they are mering some pakcages into coreutils - and in the current alpha state of the package the info/man pages clash ...
[00:31] < rxr> so I leave the stable 4.1 release  until the GNU folks release s.th. useable ...
[00:35]   rxr testing an slightly older strace ...
[00:40] < rxr> tcr: any news about strace?
[00:40] < rxr> Seems to be some red-had kernel only source or so ...
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[00:42] < tcr> hmm
[00:42] < tcr> yeah i'm also getting compile erros
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[00:46] < tcr> Ok got it to compile now
[00:46] < rxr> oops my fault
[00:47] < rxr> accidently compiled SPARC code on a Athlon ...
[00:47] < tcr> Tss.. ;)
[00:47] < rxr> no wonder some #include <asm/...> files and definitions are not there ...
[00:47] < rxr> == 00:50:08 =[9]=> Building base/strace [4.4.94 1.7-snapshot].
[00:47] < rxr> -> Preparing build in src.strace.1049496606.25306.1173086146
[00:47] < rxr> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-strace.out
[00:47] < rxr> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-strace.out -> 9-strace.log
[00:47] < rxr> == 04/05/03 00:50:41 =[9]=> Finished building package strace.
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[00:48] < A-Tui> hi
[00:48] < tcr> I simply didn't pass the right location for the kernel headers to it (default are the 2.5.x sources here, but it requires 2.4 kernels as it seems)
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[00:56] < rxr> tcr: I also worked arround my file size problem I had with du ...
[00:59] < tcr> Wrote your own app? ;)
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[01:03] < tcr> Ok, answered to that bojan guy
[01:11] < tcr> gn8 all
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[01:39] < rxr> n8 - cu
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[01:44] < A-Tui> anyone knows which packages contain sgml-tools?
[01:45] < Mike1> party time
[01:45] < Mike1> cu all tomorrow
[01:45] < A-Tui> bye
[01:45] < Mike1> cu Aitor :)
[01:45] < A-Tui> cu too :)
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[01:57] < sten> does anyone know where I can get a rescue.tbz2?
[01:58] < sten> (for building)
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[02:53] < sten> does anyone know where I can get a rescue.tbz2 to chroot to, to build ROCK on a running system?
[02:55] < A-Tui> mmm i didn't use a rescue disk
[02:57] < sten> did you build a 1.5 rescue, and upgrade that?
[02:58] < sten> not rescue disk, but rescue.tbz2, by the way.  (remember those from the 1.3-1.5 days?)
[02:59] < A-Tui> mmm no, my first ROCK was 1.6 sorry, i'm new in ROCK :)
[03:01] < sten> ;-)  I haven't used it in two years, so all of my ROCK experience is outdated.  Did you download the rock-src-1.6, and build that on a running system?
[03:01] < A-Tui> yes
[03:01] < A-Tui> on a slack system
[03:01] < sten> I'm currently on a slack system too ;-)
[03:01] < A-Tui> and i didn't make a chroot enviroment
[03:02] < A-Tui> do you know what's the meaning of ext-config/disabled packages?
[03:03] < sten> I think that those are the packages which have been temporarily disabled, because they don't build properly, or else break other packages
[03:04] < A-Tui> ok, i'm trying to build sgml-tools, but it's is on disabled tree
[03:07] < sten> my guess would still be that it's a work in progress.
[03:08] < A-Tui> i suppose it :)
[03:10] < sten> hmmm, I think I'm going to try a 1.6 build, and then upgrade to 1.7.  (I need the Desktop target that 1.7 has)
[03:10] < A-Tui> i will make a 1.7 build soon, at the moment i'm learning about ROCK
[03:12] < sten> good luck.  Nice talking to you, I've got to go
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[08:50] < esden> good morning
[09:24] < blindcoder> esden: I wish you a wonderful mortitg on your birthday!
[09:24] < blindcoder> esden: may everything you start today work out the way you want it to!
[09:24] < blindcoder> esden: erm... you don't believe me, do you?
[09:24] < blindcoder> esden: well, anyways... HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ESDEN!!
[09:28] < esden> thank you very much blindcoder
[09:29] < esden> I hope that everything turns out in the right way ... fscking exam >_<
[09:29] < blindcoder> aw, come on... that's what you learned for the whole wweek
[09:29] < blindcoder> you'll pass that exam easily
[09:29] < blindcoder> after ten minutes you'll say: "Teacher, coul'd I please have the second part of the test?"
[09:29] < blindcoder> Teacher: "There is no second part..."
[09:30] < blindcoder> esden: "Oh... then I'm done already?! WEEE!"
[09:31] < esden> hehe ... that would be good if it became so ...
[09:31] < esden> but I can not believe that ...
[09:31]   blindcoder smacks esden with a +5 LART
[09:32] < blindcoder> IT WILL!
[09:32] < esden> autsh ... that hurts ...
[09:32] < esden> with god help yes ;-)
[09:32] < blindcoder> good
[09:32] < blindcoder> EVERYONE! PRAY TO WHATEVER SUPERNATURAL BEING YOU BELIEVE IN SO THAT ESDEN CAN PASS HIS EXAM!
[09:33] < esden> thanks blindcoder you are the best
[09:34] < blindcoder> I know, I know... but thanks for teling me :D
[09:34] < esden> I like it when you are in good mood ;-)
[09:34] < blindcoder> :)
[09:35] < esden> kida hidi somo ... aki
[09:35] < esden> or so ... this song is cool
[09:36] < blindcoder> aahh.... crap... I have to go shopping...
[09:36] < esden> O_o
[09:36] < blindcoder> Melanie's birthday is on Monday... I need to get something for her
[09:36]   esden makes another cup of tee
[09:36]   blindcoder had his first cup of coffee already today :)
[09:37] < blindcoder> okay, I'm off... see you l8er
[09:37] < blindcoder> esden: do good on your exam, or you will only get half of your birthday presents!
[09:37] < esden> urgh ... ok
[09:37] < esden> cu l8er
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[09:50] < huebi> Moin
[09:51] < esden> morning huebi
[09:51] < huebi> huhu esden
[09:51]   huebi just starts a new build of 1.6.0preX
[09:52] < huebi> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ESDEN!!
[09:54] < huebi> Nice feeling to hear the noise of the SCSI disks in the rack in the bath^H^H^H^Hserverroom again
[09:55] < huebi> uuuhh, many updates
[09:56] < esden> thank you huebi
[09:56] < esden> lool ... that must sound terribly loud in such a room
[09:56] < huebi> esden: Yes, I can hear them through the whole flat.
[09:57] < huebi> Seagate Cheetah are quite noisy
[09:57] < huebi> +s
[09:58] < esden> yes cheetahs are very loud ... I can remember ...
[09:58]   esden has to buy a disk for his natalie finally >_<
[09:59] < huebi> esden: Should I have a look for another Quantum Fiseball SE 8.4GB SCSI disk for you?
[09:59] < esden> hmm ... -3 hours to the exam >_< GRRR
[10:00] < esden> if you have one lying around that you do not need ... sure
[10:00] < esden> but ide would be sufficient too
[10:00] < huebi> esden:you'll have to pass it  at 13h00?
[10:00] < esden> yes
[10:01] < esden> Discrete Structures ... >_<
[10:01] < esden> it makes fun in some way ... but the exams are way to difficult ...
[10:01] < huebi> esden: Much fun AND success
[10:01] < esden> thank you
[10:16] < huebi> esden: https://www.lcd-module.de/index.html
[10:16] < huebi> DIP-Module: https://www.lcd-module.de/deu/doma/doma.htm
[10:18] < esden> hmm ... *click*
[10:20] < huebi> https://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/5d6a/zoom/ *LOOOL*
[10:21] < esden> hmm .. die DIP module sind cool
[10:21] < huebi> JAA, das sind sie.
[10:21] < esden> hehe ... there is no home ;-) that is all it says ;-)
[10:22] < huebi> Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel this is incorrect. - hmmmm
[10:23] < huebi> ausgesperrt?
[10:24] < esden> scheint so
[10:30] < esden> wie sieht es mit dem multifunktionsdisplay aus?
[10:31] < huebi> ruht gerade - Patrick muss gerade 'ne Huette in Muenchen mit Homeautomation ausstatten. Ist aber nicht vergessen.
[10:31] < esden> gut gut
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[10:52] < esden> cu l8er
[10:52] < huebi> esden: cu
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[11:08] < blindcoder> back
[11:08] < blindcoder> moin huebi
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[11:20] < Freak> https://www.asciipr0n.com/archive/0013/bonnie/craft/
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[11:33] < blindcoder> Freak: You know... I might actually do something like that...
[12:00] < Freak> huh? :)
[12:04] < huebi> re
[12:04] < huebi> moin blindcoder
[12:04] < huebi> moin Freak
[12:06] < Freak> moin
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[12:17] < rxr> hi
[12:18] < Freak> re
[12:19] < o1k> hi rxr ! Ima same as ringo78_ sri for that but than I dont have to switch systems ... o1k obi wan kanobi ;-)
[12:22] < o1k> Just tryed to build 1.7 ./scripts/Build-Target default but where are the bin packeges ?
[12:24] < o1k> I dont have anything in $root/pkgs?
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[12:25] < blindcoder> o1k: do you have Stage 9 enabled?
[12:27] < o1k> hmm in ./scripts/Config [Make rebuild stage stage (stage 9)] yes, but there are some errors...
[12:27] < o1k> s/errors/packeges failed/
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[12:30] < blindcoder> o1k: if Stage 9 is enabled then the .gems are generated there
[12:35] < o1k> I think I remember its not yet in stage 9 now stage 5 I'll wait. Thanks blindcoder.
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[12:57] < Lorini> morning
[12:58] < blindcoder> moin moin Lorini
[13:03] < Freak> morgen
[13:10]   Lorini is tired
[13:11] < blindcoder> why?
[13:17] < Lorini> not enough sleep :)
[13:20] < blindcoder> what have you done yeterday?
[13:21] < blindcoder> wait... I don't want to know... I think...
[13:24] < Lorini> lol
[13:24] < Lorini> nothing
[13:24] < Lorini> talk, nothing else
[13:25] < blindcoder> i see
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[14:12] < _NULL> hi
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[14:12] < _NULL> hi blindcoder
[14:13] < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
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[14:56] < tfing> yop
[14:57] < _NULL> hi tfing
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[15:10] < _NULL> hi Obi-Wan
[15:10] < Obi-Wan> hi _NULL
[15:10] < Obi-Wan> Is Mr. Woolf around?
[15:11] < _NULL> nope...
[15:11] < blindcoder> I don't think so
[15:11] < Obi-Wan> Mr. Clifford Wolff
[15:11] < Obi-Wan> ah
[15:12] < Obi-Wan> when is he around usually?
[15:12] < blindcoder> erm... to be honest... almost never... it's etter to contact him by mail
[15:12] < _NULL> <-- getting something eatable... brb
[15:12] < blindcoder> _NULL: that's edible... not eatable
[15:12] < Obi-Wan> I see
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[15:30] < _NULL> re
[15:30] < _NULL> blindcoder: whatever
[15:31] < blindcoder> _NULL: ?
[15:31] < blindcoder> ah.. I really forgot how usable a virgin Windows was...
[15:31] < _NULL> blindcoder: eadible, eatable, whatever ;)
[15:32] < blindcoder> edible
[15:32] < _NULL> :P
[15:35] < ringo78_> dictionairy : edible see eatable so they must be synonym.. ;-)
[15:36] < blindcoder> hmm.. I learned eatable was wrong, only edible is correct... okay, won't say anythign anymore :)
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[15:43] < Be-El> hi ppl
[15:45] < o1k> blindcoder: I just use a plain dictionairy ... sorry ...
[15:46] < Be-El> did someone try the router target lately ? it breaks in stage0, missing some header files
[15:48] < _NULL> hi Be-El
[15:49] < Be-El> hi owl
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[15:59] < _NULL> Be-El: how are you?
[16:00] < Be-El> tired...got up way too early this morning
[16:00] < _NULL> hehe :p
[16:06] < o1k> Descartes found that all students have to sleep long and go to bed late ;-), he allways got grate ideas when "allmost sleeping" in the morning ;-)
[16:06] < Be-El> o1k: but Descartes didn't own a telephone which may ring at 9 o'clock in the morning on sundays.... ;-)
[16:07] < o1k> hmm ok you got me ;-)
[16:08] < o1k> Be-El: Perhaps you could tell the story to the one who phoned you
[16:09] < Be-El> o1k: i would....but at the time i reached the phone it stopped ringing ;-)
[16:09] < blindcoder> iptables -A INPUT -i ppp0 -j REJECT # bad idea
[16:11] < rxr> hm - I just got a dRock-2.0.0-alpha works great mail in my inbox ;-)
[16:12] < Be-El> ahh....finally...the build has reached stage 1
[16:22] < Be-El> so....und wech
[16:22] < _NULL> bye Be-El
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[17:14] < esden> re hi all
[17:14] < esden> puhh ... finally back home ...
[17:15] < esden> my head feels like someone has hit it very hard with a LART ;-)
[17:15] < esden> but also freed ;-)
[17:15] < esden> great feeling ;-)
[17:16] < _NULL> hi esden
[17:17] < esden> hi owl
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[17:17] < esden> huhu Lorini
[17:17] < Lorini> hi
[17:18] < _NULL> hi Lorini
[17:18] < Lorini> hi..
[17:29] < blindcoder> hi esden
[17:29] < blindcoder> how's the exam been?
[17:29]   blindcoder hiding half of esdens presents
[17:30] < esden> huhu blindcoder
[17:30] < esden> the exam? which exam?
[17:31] < esden> urm ...
[17:31] < blindcoder> e s d e n . . .
[17:31] < esden> I am still alive ... so not as bad as I expected
[17:31] < blindcoder> that's good...
[17:31] < blindcoder> when will you be @IN?
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[17:33] < esden> dunno ...
[17:33] < esden> I will probably take the train at 18:5x ...
[17:34] < blindcoder> okay
[17:35] < esden> the I will not be fast enough to get the nearest one ...
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[17:36] < _NULL> hi rekcah_
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[17:49] < esden> bitte gib uns mehr von dem heissen scheiss denn wir kriegen nicht genug von diesem deichkind style ...
[17:49] < esden> WEEE
[17:50] < esden> beats machen uns hoeher als auf einem hochhaus
[17:50] < esden> cool
[17:52] < esden> wippe mit dem beat und beweg dein arsh, wenn es deichkender mike ist bon voyage
[17:52] < blindcoder> hae?
[17:53]   blindcoder reicht esden Smile.dk - Dragonfly
[17:53] < esden> blindcoder: /me sings ...
[17:53] < esden> blindcoder: ???
[17:53] < blindcoder> sweet song :)
[17:53] < esden> aha ... hrm ...
[17:54] < esden> shel be right here in my arms ... shel be right in these arms she can't let go *sing*
[17:54] < esden> hmm ... that song is not soo good ...
[17:54]   blindcoder now looking through his AMV collection
[17:55] < esden> Anime MoVie ?
[17:55] < blindcoder> Anime Music Video
[17:55] < esden> aaaha
[17:56] < esden> hehe .. finally I can read kernel traffic without having bad feelings by doing it ;-)
[17:56] < blindcoder> She's so hiiiiiiiighiiiiigh above me
[17:56] < blindcoder> bad feelings?
[17:56] < esden> yes that I should learn instead of reading it ;-)
[17:57] < blindcoder> i see
[17:57] < esden> that coused that I read only the headers of the last kernel traffic >_<
[17:59] < blindcoder> *LOL*
[18:00] < blindcoder> Evangelion - Episode one
[18:00] < blindcoder> "Every generation has a legend"
[18:00] < blindcoder> and then a walking Evangelion
[18:00] < blindcoder> *LOL*
[18:00] < blindcoder> "Every saga has a beginnig"
[18:00] < blindcoder> and then a demonstration of Misatos Driving Skills
[18:01] < blindcoder> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
[18:01] < blindcoder> lip-synchron with Episode 1 Trailor Speech :D
[18:02] < blindcoder> I love AMVs :D
[18:03] < blindcoder> Martian Successor Nadesico - Futurama Theme :D
[18:05] < esden> tztztz
[18:05] < blindcoder> and of course
[18:05] < blindcoder> the ever-present Baka-Song AMV :D
[18:07] < esden> blindcoder: you are addicted ... you know that hopefully ...
[18:07] < blindcoder> whatdoes 'addicted' mean? *looks innocently*
[18:08] < esden> *small_grin*
[18:10]   blindcoder geting hungry...
[18:11] < esden> blindcoder: forget it ...
[18:11] < esden> eat some bread if you are hungry
[18:11] < esden> bread with nothing on top ...
[18:11] < blindcoder> r I make me some eggs...
[18:12] < blindcoder> the way I told you recently
[18:12] < blindcoder> with onions
[18:12]   esden gets hungry too
[18:13] < blindcoder> hehe
[18:13] < blindcoder> You tell me things that I never knew
[18:13] < blindcoder> Now what amI supposed to do?
[18:13] < blindcoder> Running around like a little kid
[18:13] < blindcoder> One two three and I'm hip hip hip!
[18:13] < blindcoder> Like a dragonfly flying high in the sky
[18:14] < blindcoder> There is light above and beyond you and I!
[18:14] < blindcoder> Like a dragonfly flying high in the sky
[18:14] < blindcoder> There is light above you and I!
[18:14] < blindcoder> I love this song *WEEE*
[18:14] < Lorini> *g* i like this "WEE" :)
[18:15] < blindcoder> I don't know since when I'm saying it... maybe for a year already and I just didn't notice :)
[18:16] < esden> I was the first to say that ;-) *showoff*
[18:16] < blindcoder> esden: poser *ph*
[18:16] < esden> blindcoder: yes and proud of that :P
[18:16] < Lorini> lol
[18:16] < blindcoder> MUAHAHA
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[18:17] < blindcoder> esden: get going! your traing goes in half an hour!
[18:17] < _NULL> -g
[18:17] < blindcoder> owly?
[18:17] < esden> *sigh*
[18:17] < blindcoder> oh... i see it...
[18:17] < esden> it is so cold out there ...
[18:17] < _NULL> blindy... you're really blind
[18:18]   blindcoder takes a broomstick and hits esden
[18:18] < blindcoder> _NULL: I may be oblivious to some things..  but not blind
[18:19] < _NULL> "ist ja auch egaaaaaaaaaaal jetzt"
[18:20] < blindcoder> "Stop the ROCK! Can't stop the ROCK!"
[18:20]   blindcoder now making some breads with egg and onion
[18:20] < blindcoder> bbl
[18:22] < _NULL> guten appettit
[18:22] < Lorini> an guadn :)
[18:22] < Lorini> *g*
[18:22] < esden> ahh I love the bass of my boxes ;-)
[18:22] < Lorini> esden: what about your train?
[18:35] < kasc_> re
[18:36] < _NULL> hi kasc_
[18:39] < blindcoder> back
[18:39] < blindcoder> ah, that was good :)
[18:43] < blindcoder> and gone again
[18:43] < blindcoder> watching  enxt episode of Kyuketsuki Miyu :D
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[19:12] < Mike1> moin all
[19:12] < Lorini_> moin mike :)
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[19:41] < _NULL> hi Mike1
[19:41] < _NULL> re all
[19:42] < Mike1> welcome back Sandra "Eule" Dismar :)
[19:47] < Mike1> ping huebi
[19:48] < _NULL> Mike1: :p
[20:19] < rxr> hi Mike1
[20:19] < Mike1> hi rxr
[20:20] < _NULL> hi rxr
[20:31] < snyke> hi rxr
[20:32] < _NULL> hi snyke
[20:32] < snyke> hi
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[21:04] < rxr> my iBook is now compiling qt31 ;-)
[21:05] < Mike1> _your_ ?!? you already bought it?
[21:05] < Mike1> damn you are fast
[21:05] < rxr> no - not bought.
[21:05] < Mike1> ah your bros?
[21:06] < rxr> This the box of my brother - just the one stanging (on the floor) here ....
[21:06]   Mike1 would love to see that box building
[21:06] < rxr> it already has compiled gnome22 and so ...
[21:06] < Mike1> rxr: got snaps?
[21:06] < Mike1> s/snaps/screenshots
[21:06] < rxr> binary gems ?
[21:06] < Mike1> *g
[21:07] < rxr> ah - hm running X - or compiling ?
[21:07] < rxr> buildins is quite boring just the normal ROCK output ...
[21:07] < Mike1> rxr: x + building :)
[21:07] < rxr> XFree is also boring - just the usual X graphic ... ;-)
[21:07]   rxr building on a vt ... :-(
[21:07] < Mike1> arrgg ok
[21:08] < rxr> but I might switch to x - and then I make a screenshot for you ...
[21:08] < Mike1> Thx :)
[21:08] < rxr> cliff seems to be really busy - I allready haev two sync patches sent - and not a single reply ....
[21:09] < Mike1> rxr: he has apply all my patches i think
[21:09] < rxr> ah - just in this second they got applied ;-)
[21:09] < Mike1> perhaps he heard ya compalining :)
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[21:40] < rxr> so three new ROCK packages ...
[21:41] < rxr> oops - a quick grep tells me I have 309 taged as maintained by me ...
[21:41] < rxr> +g
[21:43] -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
[21:44] < A-Tui> hi all guys
[21:45] < Mike1> rxr: why do you like to maintain that _many_ packages?
[21:45] < _NULL> hi A-Tui
[21:45] < Mike1> hi A-Tui
[21:45] < A-Tui> hi _NULL, hi Mike1
[21:45] < A-Tui> how all?
[21:46] < Mike1> how are you A-Tui?
[21:46] < A-Tui> fine, i was studing until now :)
[21:46] < A-Tui> now, i'm free :)
[21:47] < Mike1> Good
[21:47] < _NULL> hehe.
[21:47] < Mike1> A-Tui: Good news, the Spanish documentation have been included in the official 1.7 tree a few minutes ago
[21:47] < A-Tui> time is not real _NULL
[21:47] < _NULL> A-Tui: hrm.
[21:48] < Mike1> A-Tui: i will now sent a patch to include the missing files
[21:48] < A-Tui> GOOD! i read your patch in mailing list
[21:48] < and> Hi All there, can anybody help with building Rock Linux 1.7 DEV? I am getting errors ...
[21:48] < A-Tui> _NULL: now is 9,30 pm
[21:48] < _NULL> hi and
[21:48] < _NULL> A-Tui: ah. k.
[21:48] < and> hi _NULL
[21:48] < Mike1> and: just ask and we will try to help.
[21:48] < and> Thanks ...
[21:48] < A-Tui> Mike1: i have new docs translated, and i start with other from doc/Dev
[21:48] < Mike1> A-Tui: we are very close to finish the spanish work
[21:49] < Mike1> send me the new docs to include them in my patch
[21:49] < A-Tui> spanish community is near :)
[21:49] < A-Tui> mmm i have one here, wait a minute
[21:49] < Mike1> A-Tui: do you speak other languages than spanish and english?
[21:49] < _NULL> hehe
[21:49] < Mike1> A-Tui: after Spanish we will go after Portugues
[21:49] < A-Tui> a bit esperanto
[21:49] < A-Tui> :)
[21:49] < A-Tui> portuges, mmm galego?
[21:50] < A-Tui> my girlfriend is from galicia
[21:50] < Mike1> Cool
[21:50] < Mike1> A-Tui: ask her if she wanna contribute
[21:50] < Mike1> :)
[21:50] < A-Tui> ok, i will ask him tonigh
[21:50] < and> the error message is : ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line:218  illegal instruction (core dumped)
[21:50] < Mike1> A-Tui: 0_o him?!?
[21:50] < A-Tui> ops :)
[21:50] < A-Tui> her
[21:51] < A-Tui> XD
[21:51] < Mike1> A-Tui: phew :)
[21:51] < A-Tui> a associated him with female, i don't know why :)
[21:51] < and> at firdt I thought a ";" is missing betwenn "TZ ..." and . chroot, but that didn't help
[21:51] < Mike1> and: ehh? is that 1.7 current cvs?
[21:51] < A-Tui> e->male, i->female
[21:51] < and> yes, it is
[21:52] < _NULL> A-Tui: where are you from in spain?
[21:52] < Mike1> A-Tui: that can of mistakes are dangerous my friend :)
[21:52] < A-Tui> jajaja
[21:52] < A-Tui> _NULL: burgos, a small city in the north
[21:52]   Mike1 hoping to see an article about ROCK Linux in todo-linux soon...
[21:52] < A-Tui> do you know cip campeador?
[21:53] < A-Tui> Mike1: i want talk with you about this
[21:53] < Mike1> and: very strange i will run a test to see if i get something.
[21:53] < Mike1> A-Tui: well i am here, lets talk :)
[21:53] < A-Tui> here there is a paper zine which is dedicated to linux, and only published fdl docs
[21:53] < A-Tui> we can send some docs there
[21:54] < Mike1> A-Tui: explain..
[21:54] < A-Tui> it could be a great way to know ROCK for spain people
[21:54] < and> Mike1: Thanks, it is for P3 optimisation, I read that others had problems too, but nobody did know a solution
[21:54] < A-Tui> well, its a magazine
[21:54] < Mike1> A-Tui: thats what we need, more people from the spanish community
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[21:55] < Mike1> A-Tui: there are just too many germans in here (no offence)
[21:55] < A-Tui> :)
[21:55] < Mike1> and: ok i will try it out in a few minutes.
[21:55] < A-Tui> i give ROCK binaries of ROCK to some guys of our wireless community, they are now testing it
[21:55] < Mike1> and: btw what system are you trying to build rock in?
[21:56] < and> Mike1: I tried Rock Linux 1.4 and 1.5.12
[21:56] < Mike1> and: i wouldn't recomend to try to build rock 1.7 on any previous rock version
[21:57] < Mike1> and: it would be good that you have gcc3 and glibc 2.3 on the system you are building, as well devfs support
[21:57] < and> Both versions of Rock Linux have devfs support
[21:58] < Mike1> and: but not gcc3 or glibc2.3
[21:58] < and> right ..
[21:58] < rxr> and: hi
[21:59] < and> hi rxr
[22:00] < rxr> Mike1: the host gcc and glibc is nearly irelecant ...
[22:00] < rxr> -c +v
[22:00] < rxr> and: what is in your Build-Pkg line 218 ?
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[22:02] < and> it is the closing fi of chroot=1 if
[22:02] < Mike1> rxr: ok.
[22:02] < Mike1> hi rekcah
[22:03] < Mike1> == 13:45:29 =[9]=> Building techworx/mail-openldap [2.1.12 1.7-snapshot]
[22:03] < rxr> what does "find -name core
[22:03] < rxr> "
[22:03] < rxr> yield ?
[22:03] < rxr> (int he rock linux source top level directory ...)
[22:04] < and> i already searched for that dump but couldn't find it, but i will try again ...
[22:05] < rxr> when does the illigal instruction happen? for the first package beeing compiled - or at some time after many other packages ß
[22:05] < rxr> err ?
[22:06] < and> ...modules/2.4.20/kernel/net/core and ..src/linux-2.4.20-rock/net/core nothing more
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[22:07] < and> after many other packages already were built
[22:07] < rxr> in which stage ?
[22:07] < and> stage 1
[22:08] < tcr> moin all
[22:08] < rxr> strange - what is the host system ?
[22:08] < tcr> rxr!!!!!!!!! :-) You got three chances to guess what has been released today
[22:09] < rxr> coreutils ;-)
[22:09] < and> I tried Rock Linux 1.4 kernel 2.4.17 and Rock Linux 1.5.12 with the same kernel
[22:09] < rxr> I saw this
[22:09] < tcr> exactly ;) isn't that like black magic
[22:09] < rxr> tcr: *smile*
[22:09] < tcr> and: Why so an old version
[22:10] < and> i was still happy with that, until recent :-) now there are too many packages demanding newer gnome libs
[22:10] < tcr> rxr: hm, and gaim 0.60 also... will you update or shall I leave a mail to the mailinglist to inform the maintainers?
[22:10] < rxr> and any change that our glibc or bash is over optimized for your CPU ?
[22:11] < Mike1> tcr: how about sending a patch in stead of a single mail :)
[22:11] < rxr> tcr: please inform the maintainer - or send a patch. That is not a package i'm interested int ...
[22:11] < tcr> Don't have a running 1.7 system
[22:11] < rxr> hm - this
[22:11] < tcr> Btw. Mike1... congrats to your i8n project!
[22:11] < rxr> openssh needs perl for the make system - and perl is not yet compiled on the iBook :-((((((
[22:12] < tcr> Really?
[22:12] < and> rxr: what do you mean by over optimized
[22:12] < Mike1> tcr: thank you so much :)
[22:12] < rxr> e.g. optmized for Athlon but running on a Pentium-I or so ...
[22:13] < rxr> like instructioned used by gcc not present in your CPU ...
[22:13] < and> ah, but not so far
[22:13] < tcr> Mike1: Only what makes me somewhat wonder is that the hackers howto ends with '- Clifford Wolf  <https://www.rocklinux.org/people/clifford/clifford.html>'. IMHO you should add a 'Translated by ... <...> and ... <...>'
[22:14] < rxr> the iligal instruction signal (exeption) is generated by your CPU when it doesn't like a particual instruction in the CPU's decoder ...
[22:14] < tcr> What's and problem after all?
[22:15] < and> I also tried P2 optimizations for the purpose of trial out
[22:16] < and> trc: the build stops after that indication
[22:16] < rxr> remeber that stage1 is not yet using the freshly build binaries  - but you system ones ...
[22:17] < and> Rock Linux 1.5.12 build without any problem using the P3 optimisation
[22:17] < Mike1> 1.5.12 ....
[22:17] < and> yes , 1.5.12
[22:18] < Mike1> tcr: yeah we will probably, but anyways maybe i will add a file with the names of the i18n team
[22:19] < tcr> Mike1: Well then at least drop a line à la 'Translated by the spanish il8n team, see foo/bar'
[22:19] < Mike1> tcr: :)
[22:19] < rxr> and: could you do a ./scripts/Build-Pkg bash
[22:19] < Mike1> tcr: i will, thx for the suggestion
[22:19] < rxr> but please select generic no optimization first
[22:19] < and> rxr: i will try out now ...
[22:20] < rxr> so your system has an unoptimized bash to try if this yields s.th. different ...
[22:21] < and> rxr: it seems to compile ... will wait until it is finished
[22:21] < tcr> hah.. btw... this morning I spent two and a half hour to compile that (d)ash 0.4.1. But at least I have now a statically linked POSIX conform shell that has a decent speed
[22:22] < tcr> And... I really got those different makefile deriverates hated.
[22:23]   A-Tui is away: Everybody needs somebody
[22:23]   Mike1 needs owl.
[22:26] < and> rxr: compilation of bash failed
[22:26] < and> :-(
[22:27] < rxr> oh what's the error ?
[22:27]   Mike1 coding..
[22:29] < and> make: *** [builtins/builtext.h] Error 1
[22:29] < rxr> hm :-(
[22:30] < rxr> tcr: why dash? seems a bit minimalistic - isn't there s.th. more complete ?
[22:32] < tcr> rxr: It's a perfect shell to run scripts with.
[22:32] < tcr> Of course for interactive work I still use bash ;)
[22:33] < rxr> tcr: does it run the rock scripts ? ;-)
[22:33] < tcr> Nope. Yesterday I said that I'll adapt them to a POSIX standard once I'm back developing it
[22:34] < rxr> jups I read this - so I was currious if you made some progress ...
[22:34] < and> rxr: sorry I forgot to set optimisation to generic, will try again
[22:34] < tcr> Not in close future
[22:41] < rxr> so iBook finished perl5
[22:41] < rxr> hopefully openssh will now build ...
[22:43] < and> rxr: it is still compiling, what a miracle, what could be the problem with optimisation?
[22:43] < rxr> hm - maybe your host compiler has a code generation bug in some cases you hit - ro you choose the wrong optimization for your CPU ...
[22:44] < rxr> but you example is quite curious anyway - since the bash sometimes works (but maybe it is not the bash crashing - this has still to be proved)
[22:44] < and> oh yeah, finished to compile :-) so i will try the build with no optimization !! thanks
[22:45] < rxr> but it is still possible that the bash crashes - maybe the bash takes some quite uncommon code-path when interpreting the scripts for compiling some packages and there is an instuction not known by your CPU
[22:45] < rxr> or you have a faulty system - have you tried memtest86 for a nigth on the box ?
[22:46] < and> I did memtest a long time ago, maybe it's worth to do it again
[22:46] < rxr> and: be aware that in stage1 the binaries compiled are not yet used (still the cross build) - so when an application has a problem it is the one from your running host system. This is why I let you compile the bash into your running system ...
[22:47] < rxr> heat or dust might have made it instable - I also have a dual PII@233Mhz here which doesn't run relyable anymore - it once did ...
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[22:49] < and> so at first i will make the compilation without optimization, then install the system and use that one to build it again
[22:49] < and> maybe it woks this way :-)
[22:51] < and> thanks to all and rxr especially!
[22:51] < rxr> if the problem way in your system's bash it doesn't matter if you optimize the new binaries now. You can then turn optimisation on
[22:52] < rxr> if it was not your system's bash the problem remain with or without optimisation ...
[22:52] < rxr> when you get the next illinstr you should run memtest86 for some hours - and if this test is ok - we need to figure out the exact application causig the illinst ...
[22:53] < and> ok but with generic optimization bash was compiled whereas with P3 opt it wasn't
[22:54] < rxr> do you have the exavt error gcc gave then you first tried to compile the optimized bash ?
[22:56] < and> unfortunately not because there was no log file written although there wasa mentioning like 9-bash.err, I didn't find that file
[22:57] < rxr> when you do a Build-Pkg the package is build into your host system - and so the logs are in /var/adm/logs ... ;-)
[22:57] < rxr> but now the .log of the second bash is there ...
[22:57] < and> i know
[22:58] < and> :-)
[22:59] < rxr> and the 9-bash.err wasn't there ?
[23:02] < and> shit , now the compilation succeded, no .err file at all, I will try again the the compilation with P3 opts
[23:04] < rxr> and: which compilatin ? the Build-Target ?
[23:04] < and> no, the Build-Pkg bash
[23:06] < rxr> Hm? What did you tried - and why is it a problem that it succeded ?
[23:07] < and> ok the problem is that the Buil-Pkg bash fails with P3 optimization and succeeds with no (generic) optimazation
[23:08] < and> but maybe that is not a real problem, but i am used to use the optimization acoording to the CPU I am using at target system
[23:09] < Mike1> PING esden
[23:11] < and> rxr: the 9-bash.err says: [make1] *** [builtext.h] illegal instruction (core dumped)
[23:13] < tcr> Hah.. well could be some architecture flaw within rock 1.4?
[23:14] < and> the host system runs rock linux 1.5.12
[23:15] < tcr> Well, yeah, but -- as far as I followed your chat -- the problems just arises within the chroot which uses 1.4 things exclusively
[23:16] < rxr> and:  which prog is core dumping ? make ???
[23:16] < rxr> or gcc ?
[23:18] < and> make cause the dump
[23:19] < and> what about the builtext.h ?
[23:19] < rxr> is this a file of bash - or one of make ?
[23:22] < and> this file is mentioned as causing illegal instruction during the compilation of mkbuiltins.o
[23:24] < tcr> Well, you could examine the core file.. but, truelly speaking, I don't give it any high probability to get any valuable information out of it. That would require a really throughout scrutinizing
[23:29] < and> well i will try to built rock with generic optimization on rock 1.5.12, install it and try then a new build from rock 1.7
[23:34] < and> thanks to all, bue
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[23:51] < rxr> hm /me back ... ;-)
[23:53] < Mike1> wb Ren.
[23:54] < rxr> now ai have really much on my iBook
[23:54] < rxr> a running system incl. even stone
[23:54] < rxr> and a build finised stahge 5 halfly ...
-!- Irrsi  Log closed Sun Apr 06 00:00:57 2003