--- Log opened Fri Apr 18 00:00:01 2003 --- Day changed Fri Apr 18 2003 00:00 < daja77> hmmmm 00:00 < A-Tui> but i don't see anything wrong 00:00 < kasc_> time for me to go to bed now 00:00 < kasc_> gn8 00:00 < daja77> kasc_: n8 00:00 < A-Tui> gn8 kasc_ 00:00 < A-Tui> w0w i can speak german!!! :) 00:01 < daja77> A-Tui: ?? 00:01 < A-Tui> gn8 <--- it was a joke (not very good, i see...) 00:01 < capchaos> hehe 00:01 < daja77> good night matches gn8 as well, but never mind 00:02 < A-Tui> daja77: yes, but i said german match :) 00:03 < daja77> A-Tui: nice :) 00:05 < A-Tui> any suggest for onsgml error? 00:05 < daja77> A-Tui: how could I, haven't seen the document 00:06 < A-Tui> daja77: now i paste you, i put only 1 tag to test it, and fails too 00:06 < daja77> paste it in a query 00:07 < A-Tui> oka 00:11 < necronomicon> re 00:12 < A-Tui> hi necronomicon 00:20 < necronomicon> How long does it take to compile glib in stage 1 on a 500 mhz machine? 00:20 < TrAns13nT> ok, back to isntall now 00:21 < necronomicon> hi transient 00:21 < daja77> necronomicon: at least an hour I fear 00:21 * TrAns13nT waves 00:22 < capchaos> re transient 00:23 < necronomicon> == 23:08:51 =[1]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 1.7-snapshot]. 00:23 < necronomicon> More than one hour 00:23 < daja77> yeah needs more than half an hour on athlonxp 1800+ 00:24 < TrAns13nT> is the intel c/c++ compilier a gcc alternative or something? 00:24 < daja77> TrAns13nT: basically yes 00:25 < TrAns13nT> hmmm, i suppoes it supports different options then gcc does? 00:25 < TrAns13nT> *suppose 00:25 < daja77> dunno 00:26 < TrAns13nT> sounds good to me ;-) 00:26 < necronomicon> It optimizes the binaries blabla 00:26 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, what you need it for? 00:26 < TrAns13nT> don't like the sonund of intel anyhting runnin on my amd tbh 00:26 < TrAns13nT> jsut going through the optins of the config script 00:27 < rxr> the icc is not able to compile some low-level code and also only some subset of the C++ packages 00:27 < rxr> if you are not a real hacker I would not try to build a major set of packages with icc ... 00:27 < TrAns13nT> might play with a sometime later 00:28 < rxr> TrAns13nT: are you in a german speaking country? 00:28 < TrAns13nT> nope 00:28 < rxr> hm - too bad. In the last issue of the c't was a article about icc vs. gcc ... ;-) 00:28 * daja77 laughs 00:29 < necronomicon> I suppose he'd read the German "Computerbild" if he was germanophone 00:29 < rxr> daja77: because of the article ? 00:30 < daja77> rxr: nope, cos I mistakenly spoke german to TrAns13nT :) 00:30 < necronomicon> lol 00:31 < rxr> hm martin left :-( 00:32 < daja77> martin left hours ago 00:33 < daja77> necronomicon: who are you talking about 00:34 < necronomicon> TrAns13nT. 00:34 < daja77> necronomicon: then say she :) 00:35 < necronomicon> Oh! 00:35 < necronomicon> *G* 00:37 < TrAns13nT> lots of options in the config script, very impressed 00:37 < daja77> lol 00:38 < TrAns13nT> it's the best formatted and thought out ncurses install I've ever used 00:38 < daja77> hmmm 00:38 < TrAns13nT> mdk's is sloppy imo, and too much of a resource hog by far 00:39 < daja77> :) 00:39 < TrAns13nT> and 9.1 is just so much bloat, the text install was the only option for my old machine, I could manage vgalo with 8.2 00:40 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, welcome to the mandrake evading club [tm] 00:41 < TrAns13nT> i don't run mdk fior more then 20 minutes at a time after doing a fresh install and only then because a freind asks me to 00:41 < necronomicon> Build of glib has finished 00:41 < necronomicon> ~1,5h 00:42 < daja77> glibc, right? 00:42 < necronomicon> Exactly 00:42 < necronomicon> sry. 00:42 < daja77> np 00:51 < TrAns13nT> ok, I'm sure I musta missed somehting simple 00:51 < TrAns13nT> I run the Download -required script, and I'm getting this error message ..... 00:52 < necronomicon> install curl 00:52 < TrAns13nT> Downloading download/bas/attr/attr-2.2.0.src.tar.gz... 00:52 < TrAns13nT> curls installed 00:52 < necronomicon> ok 00:52 < necronomicon> go ahead 00:52 < necronomicon> sry 00:52 < TrAns13nT> INFO: Found src/Download-Miror: none (use the origianl download locations) 00:53 < daja77> so no problem, I see 00:53 < TrAns13nT> INFO: To force a new mirror auto-detection, remove src/Download-Mirror 00:53 < necronomicon> do so 00:54 < TrAns13nT> ERROR: According to src/Download-Errors we already had an error for that URL> 00:54 < capchaos> rm src/Download-Errors 00:54 < daja77> thx capchaos, my thought 00:54 < TrAns13nT> there we go 00:54 < TrAns13nT> new it ahd to be something simple 00:54 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, if it still doesn't work try another mirror or even the original download locations 00:54 * TrAns13nT is slighty intoxicated 00:54 < daja77> capchaos: she already does 00:54 < TrAns13nT> it's testuing the mirrors now 00:55 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, intoxicated? What does it mean? :) 00:55 * TrAns13nT smoked a little of the green stuffs ;-) 00:55 < daja77> hehe 00:55 < capchaos> Hehe, where you live? I'll need to visit you. 00:56 < daja77> capchaos: forget it, if you can't even reach me :) 00:56 * capchaos has nothing more left ;( 00:56 < capchaos> daja77 :P 00:56 < TrAns13nT> Weather Houghton, MI (49931): Cloudy, 28°F 00:56 * TrAns13nT shivers 00:57 * TrAns13nT is still waiting on cold white stuff to go away 00:57 < daja77> sunshine here today 00:58 < daja77> 18°C ;) 00:58 * TrAns13nT curls up next to my cpu, 42C 00:59 < bluefire> TrAns13nT: dcc me some of the green stuff ;) 00:59 < necronomicon> pot? 01:00 < daja77> hey bluefire 01:00 < TrAns13nT> ain't got none of my own 01:00 < TrAns13nT> yeah 01:00 < TrAns13nT> question, does the download script look to see if a source file is already dl'd b4 attempting to dl it? 01:00 < daja77> yes 01:00 < capchaos> 1 01:01 < TrAns13nT> and it looks in src/ i assume? 01:01 < daja77> no in download/* 01:01 * TrAns13nT smells brownies cookin, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 01:01 < TrAns13nT> ok, thanx 01:01 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, peace brownies? :) 01:01 < TrAns13nT> time to kill the scipt and transfer all my sources then ;-) 01:01 < TrAns13nT> unfortunately not 01:03 < capchaos> Too bad :P 01:03 < TrAns13nT> and the kernel source directy insde dl would be in which, base/, rene/, or x86/? 01:04 < daja77> base/linux-24 01:04 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M298P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 01:04 < capchaos> hi n00kie_ 01:04 < TrAns13nT> thank ya kindly 01:04 < daja77> hey n00kie :) 01:05 < daja77> TrAns13nT: np 01:05 < TrAns13nT> i could use some of that too 01:06 < TrAns13nT> gonna take a while to move all the source to different directories O_o 01:06 < daja77> :) 01:06 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, have a fruit tea :) 01:07 < TrAns13nT> not to keen on tea 01:07 < daja77> coffee? 01:07 < TrAns13nT> too young for coffee 01:07 < rxr> so - maybe the Mac is booting my CD now ... 01:08 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M262P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:08 < daja77> rxr: good /me is waiting for that cd... 01:09 < A-Tui> aggh*** critical erro on ROCK building 01:09 < A-Tui> no more left disk space :( 01:09 < daja77> no space left on device? 01:09 < rxr> daja77: you already have a mac? 01:10 < A-Tui> /dev/sda1 3,7G 3,7G 0 100% /mnt/rock 01:10 < daja77> rxr: nope, but a friend, I'll get a mac soon 01:10 < rxr> so now most seem to work - if I would not have forgotten a kernel root= options ... 01:10 < rxr> :-( 01:11 < daja77> *argh* 01:11 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M298P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Damn, wrong button.") 01:14 < TrAns13nT> ok, is there somewhere particual that would be the best place to stick all the rest of these sources I have? 01:14 < TrAns13nT> *particular 01:14 < rxr> daja77: so next try in some seconds ;-) 01:14 < rxr> daja77: what mac are you going to buy? the powerbook as you mentioned some weeks ago? 01:14 -!- con-fuse [dkg@dkg.debianer.eu.org] has joined #rocklinux 01:14 < con-fuse> hej! 01:15 < capchaos> hi con-fuse 01:15 < con-fuse> I'm new to rock and think about downloading it. 01:15 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, what rest of the sources? 01:15 < capchaos> con-fuse, go ahead 01:15 < con-fuse> how is the packetmanagement solved in rock? 01:15 < TrAns13nT> like the srouce tarballs I have for x, gtk, fluxbox, figlet, irssi, etc.... 01:16 < TrAns13nT> con-fuse u find out lemme know ;-) 01:16 < con-fuse> I'm very familar with debian and on the way to be a debian developer. So I'm not a linux newbie :) 01:16 < con-fuse> TrAns13nT: wtf, lemme? 01:16 < capchaos> con-fuse, ROCK is different from Debian 01:17 < TrAns13nT> lemme == lazy girl type for let me 01:17 < con-fuse> aren't there binaries? 01:17 < con-fuse> do I've to compile all packages? 01:17 < capchaos> con-fuse, it is almost completely source based 01:18 < capchaos> con-fuse, you got the idea ;) 01:18 < necronomicon> You could install from some inofficial ISOs with pre-compiled software 01:18 < con-fuse> capchaos: which idea? 01:18 < rxr> necronomicon: why inofficial ? 01:18 < daja77> rxr: nope an old imac ;) 01:18 < con-fuse> how much developers are working on rocklinux? 01:18 < con-fuse> and how much packages are there avaiable? 01:19 < con-fuse> how is the bugtracking system? 01:19 < A-Tui> con-fuse: are you from the CIA? 01:19 < necronomicon> rxr: "Please keep in mind that this iso images are not official ROCK Linux ISO images since the ROCK Linux Project does only provide the sources - no pre-built binaries."; https://www.rocklinux.de/getting.html 01:19 < capchaos> *g 01:19 < A-Tui> too many questions in less time! 01:19 < necronomicon> typo there 01:20 < con-fuse> A-Tui: can you answer some of these? 01:20 < rxr> necronomicon: hm - this text needs to be modified ... 01:20 < A-Tui> con-fuse: packages are listed in rock site 01:20 < A-Tui> and maintaners too 01:20 < capchaos> con-fuse, 01:21 < A-Tui> and there is a mail list (bug reporting there) 01:21 < con-fuse> ok, I'll have a look. 01:21 < con-fuse> hrm.. I think I will come back later, when rocklinux is adult. 01:21 < daja77> con-fuse: :P 01:22 < con-fuse> do I have to count the packages at URL:https://www.rocklinux.de/packages/ now? 01:23 < TrAns13nT> con-fuse no such thing as adult, they all grow from infantcy to infancty on a daily basis 01:23 < rxr> con-fuse: maybe you should become adult and inform about the quality of an product anywhere but not on IRC ... *g* 01:23 * daja77 don't like debian guys 01:23 * rxr neither 01:23 < con-fuse> rxr: the homepage is too less verbose for me. 01:23 < con-fuse> :-) 01:23 < A-Tui> con-fuse: then try it! 01:24 * TrAns13nT thinks 99% debian users are zealots 01:24 < rxr> 707 01:24 < daja77> TrAns13nT: ack 01:24 < rxr> rene:~/develop/rock/rock-src-1.7-rxr/package$ find -name *.desc | wc -l 01:24 < A-Tui> what's zealot? 01:24 < rxr> 707 01:24 < con-fuse> zealot in what? 01:24 < con-fuse> who is the founder of rocklinux? 01:24 < con-fuse> is he in this channel? 01:25 < daja77> clifford, nope 01:25 < con-fuse> but, he is austrian like me. :) 01:25 < TrAns13nT> my deffinition of zealot is someone that is immune to new ideas and ways to the point of verbal abuse when deffending their thoughts 01:25 < con-fuse> now localy its 01:25 I'll fetch some sleep. 01:25 < con-fuse> bye, * 01:25 < rxr> rene:~/develop/rock/rock-src-1.7-rxr/package$ find -name *.desc | wc -l 01:25 < rxr> 707 01:25 < rxr> rene:~/develop/rock/rock-src-1.7-rxr/package$ find -name *.desc | wc -l 01:25 < rxr> 707 01:25 < rxr> arggh 01:25 < rxr> sorry 01:25 < A-Tui> TrAns13nT: i know then :) 01:25 < con-fuse> rxr: ok, thanks. 01:26 < TrAns13nT> I also don't understands debians reluctanct to move past i386 code 01:26 < TrAns13nT> *reluctance 01:26 < TrAns13nT> it's old and extremely slow 01:26 -!- con-fuse [dkg@dkg.debianer.eu.org] has left #rocklinux ("I'll be back rockers! :-)") 01:26 < necronomicon> They want to keep binary compatibility 01:27 < TrAns13nT> I've never had a single problem with a single -march=athlon-xp compiled binary 01:27 < TrAns13nT> they can at least move to -mcpu=i586 01:27 < necronomicon> Meanwhile, in IRCnet's #linuxger: lustige Typen, die rocklinuxer :) 01:27 < TrAns13nT> or i486 for that matter 01:28 < daja77> necronomicon: yeah, we flame debian people here 01:28 < necronomicon> Why? 01:28 -!- raz_ [~raz@p508BD7DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:29 < daja77> because it is fun to do so :P 01:29 < TrAns13nT> I didn't me to flame anyhing except the distro, just going on my own expierence 01:29 < TrAns13nT> s/me/mean 01:29 < daja77> TrAns13nT: yeah flame the distro, and I flame them :) 01:31 < daja77> gn8 you all 01:31 < A-Tui> bye daja77, good night 01:31 < TrAns13nT> swee z's 01:31 < TrAns13nT> +t 01:32 -!- necronomicon [~ncn@pD9E1645F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 01:32 -!- daja77 [~daja77@dialin-145-254-079-189.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("having fun somewhere else, cu") 01:38 < TrAns13nT> whats the rules on spam? 01:38 < TrAns13nT> ok as long as it's not for dinner? 01:38 < bluefire> good night 01:39 < capchaos> gnu8 bluefire 01:39 < TrAns13nT> sweet z's 01:39 < TrAns13nT> dream green dreams 01:39 < A-Tui> bye, buenas noches 01:39 -!- bluefire [bluefire@p50817B0B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 01:39 < TrAns13nT> que hora es? 01:40 < A-Tui> vie abr 18 01:39:25 CEST 2003 :) 01:40 < TrAns13nT> thats all I know 01:40 < TrAns13nT> except 01:40 < TrAns13nT> me es mucho loco en lacabesa 01:40 < A-Tui> mmmm that's not correct 01:40 < A-Tui> what do you want to say? 01:41 < TrAns13nT> i'm very crazy in the head 01:41 < A-Tui> ok, that's a literal translation and have not sense in spain 01:41 < TrAns13nT> i'm a lunatic 01:41 < TrAns13nT> ;-) 01:41 < A-Tui> you could say: "Estoy mal de la cabeza" 01:41 < A-Tui> or something like that 01:42 * TrAns13nT is phsycotic 01:42 < TrAns13nT> ;-) 01:42 < A-Tui> hehe some maddnes is needed sometimes :) 01:47 -!- raz_ [~raz@p508BD7DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:48 < TrAns13nT> madness is always good 01:49 < capchaos> No excellent soul is exempt from a mixture of madness. 01:49 < capchaos> -- Aristotle 01:49 < TrAns13nT> nice 01:49 < A-Tui> yes, good 01:49 < TrAns13nT> wise man that Aristotle 01:49 < TrAns13nT> italians usually are ;-) 01:50 < TrAns13nT> or was aristotle greek? 01:50 < capchaos> Italians?! 01:50 < A-Tui> greek 01:50 < A-Tui> XD 01:50 < tfing> he was greek .... 01:50 < capchaos> Hehe greek of course ;-) 01:50 < TrAns13nT> close enough, tehy were neighbors, the romans rubbed off on em ;-) 01:50 < A-Tui> that's true :) 01:51 * TrAns13nT could trace the family back to roman times prolly if I lived in Italy 01:52 < A-Tui> Romans had good parties :) 01:52 < TrAns13nT> yep 01:52 < TrAns13nT> drank lots of wine, just like todays strong italian families 01:52 * TrAns13nT is 1/4 italian 01:52 < A-Tui> wine is good! 01:53 < TrAns13nT> home made wine is better 01:53 < A-Tui> TrAns13nT: of course, here most of wine is home made :) 01:53 < TrAns13nT> i know ya lucky bum 01:53 < capchaos> non beva mentre guidano 01:54 < TrAns13nT> never said I knw any, except assino 01:54 < capchaos> = don't drink while driving hehe 01:54 < TrAns13nT> never 01:55 < A-Tui> well you can got drink at home 01:55 < TrAns13nT> have to get other ppl to buy it 01:55 < capchaos> la birra è il vostro amico 01:55 < capchaos> hehe 01:55 < A-Tui> :) 01:55 < capchaos> A-Tui, la cerveza es su amigo 01:56 < A-Tui> capchaos: si, lo es :) 01:56 < capchaos> :) 01:56 < A-Tui> capchaos: you use correctly the 'z', that's great 01:56 < TrAns13nT> I'm assuming the BUild-Target script is where all the actual work is going to be done? 01:57 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, read it and impress yourself :) 01:57 < TrAns13nT> i'll do my best, just learning to do bash, lemme come in here again, I'll show ya what I've done 01:58 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, nice 01:58 -!- trans13n1 [~trans13nt@24.247.40.253.up.mi.chartermi.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:59 < trans13n1> not to sure how well this script is gonna work since I'm in vmware 01:59 < trans13n1> but here goes 01:59 < trans13n1> spam alert (10-15 lines) 01:59 < trans13n1> Hostname : cdimage 01:59 < trans13n1> Kernel : 2.4.20-xfs_pre6 01:59 < trans13n1> CPU Type : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 01:59 < trans13n1> L1 Cache : 128 KB 01:59 < trans13n1> L2 Cache : 256 KB 01:59 < trans13n1> Speed : 1536.845 MHz 01:59 < trans13n1> BogoMips : 3060.53 01:59 < trans13n1> eth0 ip : 192.168.140.137 01:59 < trans13n1> eth0 In : 56.5 Mb 01:59 < trans13n1> eth0 Out : 1.7 Mb 01:59 < trans13n1> Uptime : 5:01 hours 01:59 < trans13n1> Users : 0 01:59 < trans13n1> Load : 0.12 - 0.14 - 0.09 01:59 < trans13n1> : Total Used Free 02:00 < trans13n1> Memory : 155 MB 23 MB 132 MB 02:00 < trans13n1> Swap : 0 MB 0 MB 0 MB 02:00 < trans13n1> xdpyinfo: unable to open display "". 02:00 < capchaos> trans13n1, please do not flood :-( 02:00 < trans13n1> xdpyinfo: unable to open display "". 02:00 < trans13n1> XFree : v 02:00 < trans13n1> Resolution : 02:00 < trans13n1> nVidia Card : 02:00 < trans13n1> GPU : 02:00 < trans13n1> Mem : 02:00 < trans13n1> too late now, sorry 02:00 < TrAns13nT> too late now, sorry 02:00 < TrAns13nT> I shoulda did one section at a time instead of the whole thing 02:00 -!- trans13n1 [~trans13nt@24.247.40.253.up.mi.chartermi.net] has quit (Client Quit) 02:01 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, or join #flood :) 02:01 < TrAns13nT> 193 lines of nicely formatted bash 02:01 < TrAns13nT> with 2 comment lines, and a space between enach function 02:01 < TrAns13nT> *each 02:02 < TrAns13nT> i wrote one for mpg123 as well to start it, spam whats playing, and to change the volumes of dsp0 main and pcm 02:02 < TrAns13nT> oh, and I can change the track in mpg123 02:02 < A-Tui> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot cr 02:02 < A-Tui> eate executables 02:02 < TrAns13nT> check your CFLAGS 02:02 < A-Tui> acl give me that error 02:03 < A-Tui> om TrAns13nT, i will do 02:03 < TrAns13nT> i only get that one with an unsupported compiler flag, or a typo in one 02:03 < TrAns13nT> btw, where do I define those at? 02:04 -!- trans13n1 [~trans13nt@24.247.40.253.up.mi.chartermi.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:04 < trans13n1> can u accept dcc? 02:04 < A-Tui> me?, i think yes 02:04 < capchaos> yes 02:05 < trans13n1> incoming 02:05 < trans13n1> i acn post online if nessecary 02:05 < trans13n1> *can 02:07 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, the compiler flags are defined in architecture/x86/gcc-options for i386 02:09 < TrAns13nT> https://pws.chartermi/net/~7r4n513n7/media.sh 02:09 < capchaos> thx 02:09 < TrAns13nT> oopsy 02:09 < TrAns13nT> https://pws.chartermi.net/~7r4n513n7/media.sh 02:10 < TrAns13nT> still ain't right, hmmmm 02:11 < TrAns13nT> https://pws.chartermi.net/~tr4n513nt/media.sh 02:11 < TrAns13nT> there, thats right 02:11 < capchaos> ok 02:11 < TrAns13nT> you'll need to change a fgew things, and make a couple directories 02:12 -!- trans13n1 [~trans13nt@24.247.40.253.up.mi.chartermi.net] has quit ("leaving") 02:12 < TrAns13nT> and fucntion kill doesn't work 02:12 < capchaos> Nice script 02:12 < TrAns13nT> but media -c 2x in a row will kill mpg123 02:13 < TrAns13nT> pretty much nust change line #9 and tell it where the mp3's are located, in my case ~/mp3 is full of symlinks to where I keep my mp3's 02:14 < TrAns13nT> and if you want less verbal outp from it just comment the echo lines 02:14 < TrAns13nT> *output 02:15 < TrAns13nT> i suppose since I'm distrubuting it now I should add a help function 02:15 < capchaos> maybe :) 02:24 < rxr> ok n8 - cu the next days 02:25 < capchaos> gnu8 rxr 02:25 < rxr> much fun celebrating easter 02:25 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-172-137.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("leaving") 02:26 < esden> hi all 02:27 < capchaos> moin esden 02:28 < esden> hi capchaos 02:28 < TrAns13nT> is the download required script gonna dl every source ther is or what, I can't see how libpng is required to build a system 02:29 < esden> TrAns13nT: linux is not windows ;-) it also contains programs ;-) 02:29 < TrAns13nT> esden i know this, but I don't require Xfree at this time 02:30 < esden> yes but there are also console programs that require libpng like php for example that have nothing to do with X 02:30 < TrAns13nT> understood, but why is Download -required downloading X 02:32 < esden> because you have not unselected X in the configuration? 02:33 < TrAns13nT> i didn't see a package selection option when I ran Config 02:34 < TrAns13nT> oj well 02:34 < TrAns13nT> *oh 02:34 < esden> select : [*] Show expert-only and experimental options 02:34 < esden> and then : [*] Custom package selection 02:35 < TrAns13nT> wahts the total size of sources I'm gonna end up downloaing if I let this keep running? 02:35 < TrAns13nT> I know I hit expert options, and 95% sure I hit custom package selection and it didn't do nothing 02:35 < esden> if you download -all then you get ... 1.7G 02:36 < esden> but building rock needs some more GB 02:36 < TrAns13nT> omg what have i done O_o 02:37 < TrAns13nT> no where under custom pacakge selection does it let me unselect packages 02:38 < TrAns13nT> I don't think I have the patience to wait on 1.7gb's of source to dl 02:38 < TrAns13nT> not when I've only dl'd 115mb's so far in like an hour and a half 02:39 < TrAns13nT> so how do i work this ncurse that I can't manage to figure out obviosly to unselect lost of this stuff 02:39 < esden> understandable ... I always start a download and go sleeping or visit friends ;-) 02:39 < A-Tui> bye guys, cu tomorrow 02:39 < capchaos> gnu8 A-Tui 02:39 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("GNU's not UniX") 02:39 < TrAns13nT> too early to sleep and theres 2 inches of ice outside and my three wheeler has a flat 02:40 < TrAns13nT> under custom select it has .... 02:40 < TrAns13nT> ----- Use "X " to enable 02:40 < TrAns13nT> ----- Use "O " to disable 02:40 < TrAns13nT> ----- Use "- " to remove 02:41 < TrAns13nT> '-----< Package selction rules>---' 02:41 < TrAns13nT> | 001: 02:41 -!- _HulK_ [mcarron@80.103.118.7] has joined #rocklinux 02:41 < TrAns13nT> '-----------------' 02:41 < _HulK_> hi all 02:41 < TrAns13nT> shjow package list 02:41 < _HulK_> anyone knows about wireless? 02:43 < TrAns13nT> io don't see where in that where I get to do package selection 02:43 < TrAns13nT> s/io/i 02:43 < TrAns13nT> not me said the flea 02:44 < esden> hi _HulK_ 02:46 < esden> TrAns13nT: go on the add new line and insert "- *x11* 02:46 < esden> " 02:46 < esden> that should help ;-) 02:46 < _HulK_> hi esden 02:47 < TrAns13nT> i thought i read someone on the webpage that rock is about everyhtign off by default? 02:47 < TrAns13nT> s/someonesomewhere 02:47 < esden> you can unselect other packages/categories in the same way 02:47 < TrAns13nT> shouldn't the user have to add the packages they want, instead of removing the ones they don't wonat? 02:47 < esden> yes it is off by default ... it means that only the very nessesery things are being started when you have installed a system and boot it for the first time 02:48 < TrAns13nT> cause adding would be alot shorter list then removing 02:48 < TrAns13nT> oh, so just services, ok 02:48 < TrAns13nT> well, i suppose I'll let it finsih dl'ing this X source then I'll kill it and try to figure this out 02:49 < esden> TrAns13nT: you selected the generic target and that is a target containing nearly everything ... there is no minimal target till now ... if you want you can create such one ... but we do not have the manpower till now to create such one ... 02:49 < TrAns13nT> ok, let me ask u this 02:49 < esden> TrAns13nT: most of us want to compile everything 02:49 < TrAns13nT> does it read a file to get the list of packages for each target? 02:50 < TrAns13nT> I plan oon compiling everyhting I use 02:50 < TrAns13nT> but I don't use everyhting 02:50 < TrAns13nT> cause if it reads a file I can get one typed up for the minimum spackages required to have a working running rock system 02:51 < esden> it is listing the package subdirectory to figure out which packages are there and adds them to the list ... in the targets there are scripts that can select and unselect the packages 02:51 < TrAns13nT> I'd be more then willing to donate my thumb tiwddlin time to somewhere 02:52 < esden> see target/router/config.in and target/router/pkgsel.sh 02:53 < esden> if you ask me it is nicer to use algorithms to (un)select packages then using fixed file lists 02:53 < esden> but I think that there is still a lot to do in the configuration area ... like storing package lists in a specified file 02:54 < TrAns13nT> see i myself thinks it easier to say ok, for this target, we need this this and this, and only this this and this ever 02:54 < esden> or (un)selecting packages in a list and not using regular expressions 02:54 < esden> but there are more importaint issues to be solved currently then that 02:54 < TrAns13nT> i can understand that 02:55 < TrAns13nT> let me cahnge my target, probably to desktop, and I'll see what I can do on makeing files for a minimal target 02:55 < esden> I always compile all packages because it is easier to select desired packages while installing the system from the cd's then compiling them lateron because I forgot them 02:56 < esden> and the cds that I have compiled are also usable for other people 02:56 < TrAns13nT> if I had the cd's and didn't have to wait on all the sources to dl at once I'd go ahead and compile it all at once to and be done with it 02:57 < esden> and for more systems ... then cd's that contain only a subset of avalable packages 02:57 < TrAns13nT> well, when I say minmal i mean just enough to remove the cd and reboot and be able to work 02:57 < TrAns13nT> *minimum 02:58 < esden> that selection is different for everyone ... some think that x is needed for a minimal working system ... others say that it is not needed, some say that emacs is nessesary for a minimal system others say that vi is only nessesary for a minimal system ... 02:58 < esden> you understand what I mean? 03:00 < esden> that is a problem with a minimal system :-/ 03:00 < TrAns13nT> ok, maybe the target should be called dommandline then 03:01 < esden> perhups a subsection for the generic target would be nice containing multiple package preselections or so 03:01 < TrAns13nT> just enough to get to the commandline and login and have a fucntional rock system 03:01 < TrAns13nT> *target called commandline 03:01 < esden> or a target called quick-test 03:01 < TrAns13nT> I like to build my sytems from the ground up, X is one of the very alst things i Install in linux 03:02 < esden> for people that want to take a quick glance at rock 03:02 < TrAns13nT> only things after i install after X are winex, and gui version of some console apps 03:02 < TrAns13nT> i think commandline would be better, cause what if someone like building systems one or two packlages at a time 03:03 < TrAns13nT> but I'm not a dev, that would be up to whoever to decide what it's called 03:04 < TrAns13nT> so just in the ballpark, how much source is gonna be dl'ed if I select the desktop target 03:04 < esden> so write an email to the rock-linux malininglist about that 03:05 < esden> TrAns13nT: not much less then in the generic ... the desktop target contains all the X stuff so it is big 03:05 < TrAns13nT> can files be attached to the posts in mailing lists 03:05 < esden> yes 03:06 < esden> but try not to write 100kb mails ... 03:06 < esden> ;-) 03:06 < TrAns13nT> would the boot - install- one contain much less 03:07 < TrAns13nT> i was thinking I'd post a tarball of the file a commandline target would need to cantain, but I'll just put a link to my ispd's webserver to the tarball and make them carry the load for now 03:07 < TrAns13nT> -d 03:08 < esden> yes it would but this are only boot disks ... 03:09 < TrAns13nT> not enough in that one to be able to reboot when it's all done and add packaes later? 03:09 < esden> nope sadly not 03:11 < esden> that is what would be needed ... a minimal (as you already said) target that is containing enough to install a system that is booting with network support in which you can build packages that you need afterwords 03:11 < TrAns13nT> well, i guess I'll leave it on desktop and just run Download -required for a few hours each day till it gets all the sources 03:12 < TrAns13nT> but I'll start work on the mimimal target next time i boot into linux 03:12 < TrAns13nT> it'll gimme somehting productive to do and gimme a break from my sysInfo script 03:13 < esden> TrAns13nT: very nice to hear that ;-) 03:14 < TrAns13nT> i'm very intriguied on rock's bash package management system and want to see it work, I've been using gentoo and toying around with linux from scratch, and if I ever get that right I was gonna try and write a package mangemt system like portage but in bash 03:15 < esden> rocklinux is also usable in the way portage works 03:15 < esden> but it is more ... it is also a distribution buld kit 03:15 < TrAns13nT> any source based distro would almost have to have similarities in the package management 03:16 < TrAns13nT> i've noticed the iso building stuff from poking round on the website and watching here 03:16 < TrAns13nT> gentoo has this gamecd that is just the greatest thing since sliced bread imo 03:16 < esden> that is where rock started ... automated building of installation iso's 03:17 < esden> yes that is a very nice thing 03:17 < TrAns13nT> u burn it, boot it, type startx, and it puts u straight into unreal tournament with working networking, accelerated graphics (nvidia only), and sound 03:17 < TrAns13nT> *ut 2k3 demo 03:18 < esden> we now have two people that are working on adding games to rock package set ... perhups some time someone will sit down and create a live cd target and a gamecd target 03:18 < esden> all that is not difficult to create using rock 03:18 < TrAns13nT> livecd's are great, since gentoo started using them I can install it on my p133, b4 they used ramdisks that where to large 03:19 < TrAns13nT> and I like the live cd's also cause you can give one to someone and they can go right into sseeing how linux works and can play around without having to install 03:20 < esden> there are also people that are thinking about creating a knoppix like target in rocklinux 03:20 < TrAns13nT> linux ain't for everyone, but it should be made easy enough so that everyone can make that decision for themselves 03:20 < TrAns13nT> i don't know what knoppix is 03:21 < esden> rock is so powerfull that it can contain nearly every kind of distribution ... but someone has to sit down and create them ;-) 03:21 < esden> https://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html 03:24 < TrAns13nT> i might just ahve to take the time to dl an iso of that 03:25 < esden> it is a very nice linux demo cd ... but also usable for other thing 03:25 < esden> s 03:25 < TrAns13nT> i'd like to see how it runs on my p133 with 32mb ram 03:26 < esden> ohh ... I think it will run veeery sloooow ;-) 03:26 < esden> IF it will run ;-) 03:26 < TrAns13nT> i put mdk 9.1, X-4.3, and kde 3.1 on it for shits and giggles 03:26 < TrAns13nT> it compiles with the ebst of them, don't be insulting my old reliable ;-) 03:27 < TrAns13nT> only machine I've ever owned thats hasn't died, fried, or killed hardware 03:28 < TrAns13nT> only takes it an hour to build a 800k kernel ;-) 03:28 < TrAns13nT> and 20.5 hours to compile X-4.3, glide drivers, and xft 03:29 < TrAns13nT> so is everyone in here on the other side of the plaent or what? 03:29 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, booting a Debian on a machine with 16M edo ram is great fun too ;) 03:29 < TrAns13nT> i'm lucky, i got sd 03:30 < TrAns13nT> 64 meg limit, i coulda got the edo version with the 128mb limit, but I exchanged size for speed 03:31 * TrAns13nT should start calling pc66 sdram edo-ddr 03:31 < TrAns13nT> O_o 03:33 < TrAns13nT> well, I think DOD is calling me, I'll bbl 03:33 < TrAns13nT> *DoD 03:33 -!- TrAns13nT is now known as TrAns13nT|Gaming 03:33 < esden> gamer ;-) 03:34 * -> esden sucking knoppix ;-) 03:34 < esden> nice 800K/s 03:34 < capchaos> heh protzer 03:35 < capchaos> ;P 03:35 < esden> leo org server is quasi in my local net so ... 03:47 -!- Caspar [~steven261@M100P003.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03:54 -!- demian [~demian@208.165.55.133] has joined #rocklinux 03:55 -!- _HulK_ [mcarron@80.103.118.7] has quit () 03:55 < capchaos> hi demian ! 03:55 < demian> hello guys 04:02 < esden> hi demian 04:03 < demian> have u guys works with serial port in asm ? 04:03 < demian> s/works/worked 04:04 < capchaos> no 04:05 < demian> :( 04:07 < capchaos> only had some theory... can't recall anything 04:20 -!- ruddur [~ruddur@rocklinux.ruddur.net] has quit ("No windows for this server") 04:26 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M298P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 04:37 < capchaos> morning n00kie 04:54 < n00kie> Good morning cappy :) 05:23 -!- TrAns13nT|Gaming is now known as TrAns13nT 05:23 -!- demian [~demian@208.165.55.133] has quit ("leaving") 05:35 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@B636c.pppool.de] has quit ("There is no spoon.") 05:45 < TrAns13nT> anyone care to see my image editing skillz? 05:46 < TrAns13nT> https://pws.chartermi.net/~tr4ns13nt/Isis-Matrix.jpg 05:59 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M298P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 06:00 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M298P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 06:04 -!- TrAns13nT [TrAns13nT@24.247.40.253.up.mi.chartermi.net] has quit () 06:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: blindcoder 06:10 -!- Netsplit brunner.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Parabull 06:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Parabull 06:15 -!- Netsplit brunner.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Auge, kasc_, SMP 06:15 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A7A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:15 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SMP, Auge 06:22 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M298P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:27 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rolla 06:36 -!- Netsplit brunner.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla, tibit, ringo78, praenti, Auge, blindcoder, Mike1, kasc, SMP, aszlig, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 06:37 -!- Netsplit over, joins: praenti, rolla, Mike1 06:39 -!- tibit [~tibit@p508A93E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:39 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801125.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:39 -!- Auge [wolfram@p5088BA7D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:39 -!- ringo78 [~dunno@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux 06:39 -!- vectrax [~vectrax@paradome.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:39 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has joined #rocklinux 06:40 -!- SMP [stefanp@world.cabal1.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:40 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A7A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:40 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A7A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (zelazny.freenode.net (carroll.freenode.net <- carroll.freenode.net))) 06:40 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A7A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:41 -!- Netsplit brunner.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: kasc, SMP 06:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kasc 06:52 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M298P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 07:08 -!- Auge_ [wolfram@pD95290B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:26 -!- Auge [wolfram@p5088BA7D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:29 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M298P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:35 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@p509098E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:48 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090A7A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:56 -!- Caspar_ [~steven261@M126P019.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 09:01 -!- TrAns13nT [TrAns13nT@24.247.40.253.up.mi.chartermi.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:02 < TrAns13nT> if anyone cares, I'll never be returning to this server, I've registered #rocklinux on irc.oftc.net, if any memeber of the dev team for rock would like the channel over there, I'd be more then ahppy to release it to you so that I can and further the rock linux distrobution, if not, then thats fine to 09:02 < TrAns13nT> -and 09:03 < TrAns13nT> and if not, then good luck with your distro 09:03 -!- TrAns13nT [TrAns13nT@24.247.40.253.up.mi.chartermi.net] has left #rocklinux () 09:09 -!- Mike1 [~mike@196.40.25.179] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09:15 < Caspar_> ? what was this ... 09:35 -!- dadark [Pascal@p5082E51E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:35 < dadark> hey, one little question, isn't there a installation howto with rocklinux? 09:39 -!- dadark [Pascal@p5082E51E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting") 10:19 -!- rxr [~rxr@port-212-202-172-137.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:27 -!- Auge_ is now known as Auge 10:36 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@dialin-145-254-161-103.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:37 < ringo78> hey cappy! 10:37 < capchaos> hey ringo78! :) 10:38 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M260P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 10:41 < capchaos> morning n00kie 10:44 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@dialin-145-254-161-103.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("provider change") 10:46 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@gtso-d9b8c081.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:49 < capchaos> ringo78, today is federal holiday.. so me can have inet without charge 10:49 < capchaos> :-) 10:49 < capchaos> *argh* wrong chan 10:50 < ringo78> no probs here ! 10:51 < capchaos> :) 10:56 < blindcoder> moin moin 10:58 < capchaos> moin blindy 11:01 < blindcoder> oh that reminds me... I have to place an order on thinkgeek or esden will kill me 11:11 < snyke> :o) 11:11 < snyke> he won't kill you 11:11 < snyke> just kick you 11:11 < snyke> much more fun than killing :o) 11:13 < blindcoder> GAH! 11:13 < blindcoder> peoople are so stupid >_< 11:14 < blindcoder> but what do I expect from a world where there are Usage-Instruction on toothpick-packages >_< 11:19 < capchaos> "Please don't kill anyone with this toothpicks." 11:19 < blindcoder> something like that 11:19 < blindcoder> maybe I should really do what the Hitchhiker proposes 11:19 < capchaos> blindcoder, what happened? 11:20 < blindcoder> just becoming insane :) 11:20 < blindcoder> read this: https://www.crash-override.net/lpp.php 11:20 < blindcoder> and then guess what happens on a regular basis 11:23 < capchaos> spam spam spam 11:23 < blindcoder> no. 11:23 < capchaos> What else? 11:23 < blindcoder> "Why doesn't it work here?" "Where can I find images?" "It doesn't apply to V2.5.xx" 11:24 < capchaos> yeah spam -> unwanted mail :-) 11:24 < blindcoder> "I only get a Framebuffer with a Tux on it." "What is a Framebuffer?" 11:25 < capchaos> Don't disappoint your lusers ;) 11:25 < blindcoder> okay, if you define it like that... For me it's just another proof that the human race is a) not as intelligent b) not as superior and c) not as advanced as it likes to think 11:25 < capchaos> ack 11:25 < blindcoder> I won't disappoint them. The site states that I won't answer mail and so I won't 11:31 < n00kie> morning again, capchaos :) 11:33 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 11:33 < A-Tui> hi 11:33 * blindcoder taking shower 11:34 -!- Caspar [~steven261@M101P012.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:39 < A-Tui> there is any problemhaving ./downloads on another partition¿ 11:46 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:48 -!- Caspar_ [~steven261@M126P019.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12:11 < blindcoder> hmm... acl and attr still have some issues 12:13 < ringo78> A-Tui: mount it there ? 12:14 < A-Tui> yes ringo78 12:15 < A-Tui> i'm having serious problems with disk space 12:15 < A-Tui> so i try to put downloads on other partition 12:15 < A-Tui> but now, i have problems building enveiroment to build each package 12:16 < capchaos> A-Tui, why not move the whole rock-1.7 tree to that partition? 12:17 < A-Tui> capchaos: each partition alone could not keep all the building 12:20 < capchaos> ./scripts/Help Create-Links 12:20 < capchaos> @ A-Tui 12:20 < A-Tui> capchaos: i'm looking at here, thanks 12:20 < capchaos> You're welcome 12:22 < A-Tui> Problems is with building links, i supposed that he can't find tar file in the src tree 12:42 -!- Ge0rG` [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:48 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: Ge0rG`!georg@club-mate.net))) 12:48 -!- Ge0rG` is now known as Ge0rG 12:48 < blindcoder> os/me gives up compiling current CVS again 12:49 < capchaos> blindcoder, why that? 12:50 < blindcoder> sed fails in stage 1 because of 'previous declaration of `geline`' 12:50 < blindcoder> sed fails in stage 1 because of 'previous declaration of `getline`' 12:51 < blindcoder> before that acl failed because I need attr on the HOST-system in Stage 1 12:51 < blindcoder> and in the middle coreutils failed because the autoconf/automake on the HOST-system was too old 12:52 < capchaos> uuugh 12:52 < blindcoder> yes 12:52 * blindcoder slowly gets disappointed by clifford/rene 12:54 < blindcoder> the update to coreutils at all made my personal cp/mv/dd patches not apply, but that isn't cliff's fault 12:55 < blindcoder> okay, I'm now off to roller skating 12:55 < blindcoder> bye! 12:56 < capchaos> have fun! 12:57 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@gtso-d9b8c081.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit ("provider change") 13:08 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@frn3-d9b949c3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:19 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 13:23 -!- netrunner_ [~netrunner@p50802370.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:30 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4F73B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:43 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@p50801125.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:44 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 14:11 -!- necronomicon [~ncn@pD9E16D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:12 < necronomicon> re 14:14 -!- necronomicon [~ncn@pD9E16D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 14:23 < A-Tui> bye 14:23 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("GNU's not UniX") 14:33 -!- necronomicon [~ncn@pD9E16D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:13 -!- kasc_ [~kasc@p509098E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 15:38 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:49 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M260P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:54 -!- Ge0rG` [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:54 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 15:55 -!- Ge0rG` is now known as Ge0rG 15:56 < necronomicon> Compilation of net-tools on 1.7 in stage 1 fails ... 1-net-tools.err says: 15:56 < necronomicon> Found shared files with other packages: 15:56 < necronomicon> usr/share/man/man1/hostname.1: coreutils net-tools 15:56 < necronomicon> --- BUILD ERROR --- 15:56 < necronomicon> Both coreutils and net-tools seem to install a hostname-manpage -- is the content the same? 15:58 < blindcoder> disregard that 15:58 < blindcoder> it's juts a warning, not an error 15:58 < necronomicon> Ok 15:58 < blindcoder> the package last-installed has simply won. 16:08 -!- NUMA [stefanp@world.cabal1.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:09 -!- NUMA is now known as SMP 16:17 < necronomicon> In which directory are the binary packages put? 16:17 < necronomicon> /build/default-1.7-snapshot-x86-pentium3-cross-desktop-expert/pkgs ? 16:17 < necronomicon> There are *.gem-files 16:18 < blindcoder> which are the binary packages that will be written to CD= 16:18 < necronomicon> I wanted to do a "direct installation" 16:18 < necronomicon> As described in the Rock Linux Guide 16:19 < necronomicon> https://www.rocklinux.de/people/pjotr/guide.download/html/main.html#install.direct 16:21 < blindcoder> just substitute tar xzvf with `mine -i -v -R /path/to/target < listofgems >` 16:21 < blindcoder> you can also check "Bulid .tar.bz2 Packages" and use tar if you want 16:22 < necronomicon> Ok 16:22 < necronomicon> I have another question ... 16:23 < necronomicon> Now that I built the build system, what's next? chroot into that? 16:24 < necronomicon> I have been in stage 1 and 2 so far 16:24 < blindcoder> erm... scripts/Build-Target should do this for you... 16:25 < necronomicon> it said it has created isofs.txt or so 16:25 < blindcoder> Stage 0 through 3 are building the build-environment, Stage 5 Builds everything else and Stage 9 biulds everything againg plus the binary packages 16:25 < blindcoder> oh 16:25 < blindcoder> so you checked "Cross-Compile" didn't you? 16:25 < necronomicon> yes 16:26 < blindcoder> what system are you cross-compiling for? 16:26 < necronomicon> for exactly this 16:26 < blindcoder> erm... 16:26 < necronomicon> ok 16:26 < blindcoder> you are cross-compiling for the machine you are building on? 16:26 < necronomicon> yes 16:26 < blindcoder> You don't need to do that 16:27 < blindcoder> just uncheck Cross-Compiling and check "Use ' (Pseudo-)Cross-Compiler9" 16:27 < necronomicon> ok 16:27 < blindcoder> "Use (Pleudo-)Cross-Compiler" 16:27 < blindcoder> ARGH 16:27 < blindcoder> you get the idea >_< 16:27 < necronomicon> and then stage 3 will automatically come? 16:28 < blindcoder> no, then the Build will continue all the way to Stage 9 16:28 < necronomicon> ok 16:28 < blindcoder> The cross-compiling option is meant if you compile for eg. Sparc on a x86 System 16:28 < blindcoder> then you can transfer the build to the Sparc-Machine and start a complete build there 16:29 < blindcoder> it's primarily meant for porting ROCK 16:29 < necronomicon> ok 16:30 < necronomicon> so I just reconfig that and then run ./scripts/Build-Target? 16:31 < blindcoder> if your machine is fast enough you should also consider ./scripts/Cleanup -full to completely start over. 16:32 < blindcoder> but if it's slower than... say 1GHz you should just continue (or if you have too much time on your hands, start over anyways :) 16:32 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:33 < necronomicon> got enough time anyway ;) 16:37 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:51 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M337P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 16:55 < n00kie> re 17:17 < capchaos> esden, < tsa> Cksum ERROR: download/esden/povray35/povuni_s-3.5.tgz.cksum-err (2438530522) <- is this fixed yet? 17:25 < capchaos> or is the mirror leo.org not updated with the new package? 17:26 * capchaos grumbles 17:27 -!- necronomicon [~ncn@pD9E16D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 17:28 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 17:31 -!- necronomicon [~ncn@pD9E16D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:40 < rolla> re 17:40 < capchaos> hi rolla 17:49 -!- Parabull [~Parabull@212.152.174.162] has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:56 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M337P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:07 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:25 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Der Sinn des Lebens ist die Suche nach eben jenem.") 18:26 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux 18:27 < A-Tui> hi 18:27 < esden> hi all 18:27 < esden> hi A-Tui 18:28 < A-Tui> eih hi esden! 19:06 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M337P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:44 < necronomicon> Nearly everything in stage 1 of the dietlibc build fails. For example, bash: checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables 19:44 < necronomicon> How can I fix that? 19:46 < rxr> necronomicon: do you have "pseudo cross compiler enabled" ? 19:46 < necronomicon> Yes, I do 19:46 < necronomicon> I have checked the dynamically-link option, too 19:47 < rxr> hm - you would need to take an exact look why it is failing ... 19:47 < rxr> (in the log file ...) 19:47 < necronomicon> 1-binutils.err says: CMD_WRAPPER: Can't execute 'diet-dyn' -> abort. 19:47 < necronomicon> CMD_WRAPPER: Can't execute 'diet-dyn' -> abort. 19:47 < necronomicon> *** The command 'i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc-3 -o conftest -g conftest.c' failed. 19:47 < necronomicon> *** You must set the environment variable CC to a working compiler. 19:47 < necronomicon> --- BUILD ERROR --- 19:48 < rxr> err 19:48 < rxr> which target? generic/desktop or install disc? 19:49 < necronomicon> dietlibc minimal 19:49 -!- Caspar [~steven261@M101P012.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:49 < necronomicon> Would linking gcc3 to i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc-3 solve the problem? 19:50 < rxr> hm - no this is a dietlibc problem 19:50 < rxr> ask esden - or the ML 19:50 < rxr> (me out of time) 19:51 < esden> necronomicon: not diet-dy 19:51 < esden> n 19:51 < esden> that will not work 19:51 < necronomicon> ? 19:51 < necronomicon> ok 19:51 < esden> and coreutils will still fail 19:51 < necronomicon> The Guide should be more precise concerning that 19:51 < esden> and in the stage2 it will fail too 19:52 < necronomicon> So using dietlibc is not a good idea? 19:52 < esden> so if you are not willing to work on that target you can stop compiling ... 19:52 < esden> nope it is not a good idea if you are a normal user 19:52 < necronomicon> i'll use generic then 19:54 < esden> k 20:29 < esden> ok ... gallery request sent 20:42 -!- necronomicon- [~ncn@pD9E16D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:42 -!- necronomicon [~ncn@pD9E16D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:42 -!- necronomicon- is now known as necronomicon 20:42 -!- necronomicon [~ncn@pD9E16D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 20:45 -!- necronomicon [~ncn@pD9E16D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:08 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M337P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:20 < A-Tui> bye bye all 21:20 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("GNU's not UniX") 21:40 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M337P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 21:50 -!- necronomicon [~ncn@pD9E16D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 21:54 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:17 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 22:18 < blindcoder> damn... now I have to get rid of the "woman"-scent in my car or face questions from my parents on monday :) 22:19 < capchaos> Muahhar 22:19 < capchaos> blindcoder, aren't you allowed to meet women? ;-) 22:20 < blindcoder> no, but the questions might get on my nerves ;) 22:20 < blindcoder> besides, there's nothing between owl and me :) 22:21 < capchaos> Heh 22:22 -!- tibit_ [~tibit@p508AB93D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:34 -!- tibit [~tibit@p508A93E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:34 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 23:19 -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:33 < esden> re 23:34 < esden> blindcoder: ping 23:35 < blindcoder> esden: pong 23:42 < esden> blindcoder: what women? 23:42 < blindcoder> esden: woman. singular. and like I said, owl. 23:42 < esden> and why a scent? was she using noo much perfume? 23:42 < esden> aha ... 23:42 < blindcoder> esden: you don't know how my parents notice even the smallest things :) 23:43 < esden> hmm hmm 23:43 < esden> blindcoder + owl ... 23:43 < esden> no I stop it before you get upset ... 23:43 < blindcoder> esden: *sigh* noooooooo 23:43 < blindcoder> I'm in... ah no, better not say it 23:43 * -> esden is quiet already 23:44 * capchaos laughs 23:44 < esden> what better not say ? 23:44 -!- necronomicon [~ncn@pD9E16D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:44 < esden> you are "in... love" "involved already" 23:44 < necronomicon> re 23:44 < blindcoder> I just wanted to say that 'm in too good a mood to get upset that easily until I noticed how this could get used against me again :) 23:45 < esden> hi necronomicon 23:45 < blindcoder> esden: you like living dangerously, don't you? 23:45 < esden> blindcoder: aha ... ok ... very nice to hear that you aer in a good mood 23:45 < necronomicon> hi esden 23:45 < esden> blindcoder: you know me ;-) 23:45 < blindcoder> esden: or can it be... you want to tease me? 23:46 * -> esden tease you ? NEVER! ;-) 23:46 < blindcoder> esden: okay, so I don't have to tease you... but I can tickle you... WITH A STUN-GUN!! 23:46 * blindcoder attacks 23:46 * -> esden runs away 23:46 < esden> and hides his head in the sand 23:47 < blindcoder> COME BACK AND FIGHT, COWARD! 23:47 < esden> (now I am cloaked) 23:47 * blindcoder swings Stun Gun! 23:47 * -> esden is a coward ... *admit* 23:47 * blindcoder takes out a sheet of paper and a pencil to calculate esdens position based on speed and direction... 23:47 * -> esden gets dietlibc and recompiles blindcoder with it ;-) 23:47 -!- _NULL [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:48 < _NULL> no tcr here... well. hi 23:48 < capchaos> *mauahr* 23:48 < blindcoder> diet: too much fat to compile blindcoder... 23:48 < esden> re _NULL ;-) 23:48 < blindcoder> okay... THERE HE IS!!! 23:48 < esden> it is optimizing it out no problem 23:48 * blindcoder throws Annoyance-Bombs at esdens ass 23:49 * -> esden 's ass starts barking 23:49 < blindcoder> re nully :) 23:49 < blindcoder> urks... stench attack... 23:49 * blindcoder is paralyzed 23:49 * blindcoder is also poisoned 23:49 < esden> rofl 23:49 * blindcoder plays too many RPGs 23:49 < esden> seems so ;-) 23:50 < blindcoder> ah well, I'm out of Anime to watch now 23:50 < esden> argh ... blindcoder I want anime!!! 23:50 * blindcoder thinks about going to bed and reading "Einmal Rupert und zurueck" 23:50 < blindcoder> esden: I have CCS up to Ep 62 now :) 23:50 < blindcoder> only 8 Eps missing to completion ;D 23:51 < esden> grrr !!! give it to me!!! 23:51 -!- Auge [wolfram@pD95290B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux () 23:52 < blindcoder> "The Lord of Fire" 23:52 < blindcoder> "GIVE IT TO ME" 23:52 < blindcoder> "The Lord of Fire" 23:52 < blindcoder> "don't TAKE IT FROM ME" 23:52 < esden> o_O 23:52 < blindcoder> just a song I recorded from aniverse radio 23:53 * -> esden eating "knoblauch brot" 23:53 * blindcoder drinking water 23:53 < _NULL> wuah. don't kill us esden - please! 23:53 < blindcoder> it's titled "Ultra-Ghost in the Shell Tehem" but I doubt that's correct 23:54 * -> esden blowing some garlic air in #rocklinux 23:54 * _NULL running away 23:54 < blindcoder> Tehem? erm... Theme even... 23:54 < esden> sounds nice 23:54 < blindcoder> esden: 2x 1280x1024 on 1 card and both OpenGL-HW-Accelerated :D 23:54 < rxr> re 23:55 < blindcoder> hi rxr 23:55 < esden> re rxr 23:55 < rxr> hi esden 23:55 < _NULL> hi rxr 23:55 < esden> blindcoder: when I start my x ... it says that it can not start glx when xinerama is loaded 23:56 < blindcoder> esden: if it's two different cards then it might very well be 23:56 < blindcoder> I have no GLX with 2 cards eitherl 23:56 < blindcoder> but now I have only one card that handles two moniters 23:56 < esden> no it is one card ... it is my g400 23:56 < blindcoder> hmm 23:56 < blindcoder> my GF4 is taking care of both cards in the driver, not in XFree itself 23:57 < esden> o_O 23:57 < blindcoder> nvidia-driver 23:57 < esden> your GF4 can handle two monitors? 23:58 < blindcoder> yes 23:58 < esden> ok ... now I understand 23:58 < blindcoder> one VGO, one TV-OUT and one DVI-Out with Adapter to VGA 23:59 < blindcoder> s/VGO/VGA/ 23:59 < blindcoder> so two VGAs 23:59 < esden> it seems that I need a new gfx-card 23:59 < blindcoder> :) --- Log closed Sat Apr 19 00:00:02 2003