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00:17 < rxr> hi capchaos
00:18 < capchaos> hi rxr
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01:45 < rxr> cu - n8
01:46 < n00kie> sleep well, SMP
01:46 < n00kie> rxr
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02:45 < esden> re ...
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02:46 < esden> ok ... I think I figured out how to get gcc to use dietlibc as default ...
02:46 < esden> re tfing 
02:47 < tfing> re
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02:58 < esden> good night
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05:37 < TrAns13nT> ok, i said i was never coming back to freenode, but I said I'd try and make the target for the minimalist install, and no one ever came over to irc.oftc.net :-P~
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05:45 < capchaos> hey TrAns13nT, so you're hacking ROCK's minimalist target?
05:47 < TrAns13nT> i was gonna try to make a target that would just dl the sources required to get the machine loggin into the cmdline
05:48 < TrAns13nT> cause from what I usderstaood, I'm gonna be dling around a gb of sources with any target I use that will be bootable, and the the stuff for the boot rescue wasn't really a bootable system
05:49 < TrAns13nT> but I kinda hate lilo so thats why I said I wasn't never coming back, and I dislike freenode for the begging and the really useless wallop and global notices about the constant HUGE netsplits
05:49 < TrAns13nT> and theres lots of really abusive zealots on this server
05:49 < TrAns13nT> but anyhow
05:49 < TrAns13nT> yeah, I gonna try that
05:50 < TrAns13nT> right after I figure out why hde3 won't unmount
05:50 < capchaos> well, had a look at the source code yet?
05:52 < TrAns13nT> i've had a look at the files in /target/*
05:55 < TrAns13nT> doesn't look like it'd be to hard to work out a target that would just install the bare nessecities, pretty much like a gentoo install when it's first finished
05:55 < TrAns13nT> but for rock
05:56 < capchaos>  ./scripts/* is your friend ;-)
05:56 < TrAns13nT> cause I kinda prefer to adding a few packages here and there as I go along, so I don't need 1 gb's of source to start off
05:56 < TrAns13nT> and I think my bash skills are at least good enough to to come up with a bash script for anyhitng I could possibly need
05:57 < TrAns13nT> may not be the most effecient bash skills, but I can do anyhitng in bash I set out to do
05:57 < TrAns13nT> eth0 ip      : 24.247.40.253
05:57 < TrAns13nT> eth0 In      : 33.4 Mb
05:57 < TrAns13nT> eth0 Out     : 1.6 Mb
05:58 < TrAns13nT> not to shabby for a po lil white girl huh? ;-)
05:58 < TrAns13nT> if ya join #flood I'll show u all of it
06:01 < capchaos> i think people here would really support you in creating a minimalist target
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06:02 < TrAns13nT> I've been running the Download -required when I got the bandwith to spare
06:02 < TrAns13nT> so eventually I'll get all the source for the desktop target
06:03 < capchaos> TrAns13nT, too bad you hit the wrong time.. everyone here is asleep ;-)
06:04 < capchaos> (( beside me ))
06:04 < TrAns13nT> don't bother me none, I'll lurk, but I'm not going anywhere else on splitnode
06:04 * TrAns13nT had logs and screenshots of verbal abuse from some debian user that was completely unwaranted, and lilo would do nothing
06:05 < TrAns13nT> s/user/loser ;-)
06:05 < capchaos> Hmm
06:05 < capchaos> Debian users are mad anyways
06:05 < capchaos> and intolerant
06:07 < TrAns13nT> debian users on splitnode are, I know a few good debian users
06:07 < capchaos> (they loose all they tolerance potential on suffering Debian on their hd)
06:08 < capchaos> have you joined the ROCK ml ?
06:09 < TrAns13nT> not yet
06:09 < capchaos> maybe you should post there your ideas.. some devs aren't in #rocklinux
06:09 < TrAns13nT> i've read that, and I am gonna, as well as with a link to the tarball for the target when it's finished, my isp can foot the load ;-)
06:10 < TrAns13nT> i get a total of 15mb webspace taht runs @ at least 190K/s
06:10 < TrAns13nT> *25
06:10 < TrAns13nT> in 5 5mb chunkc
06:10 < capchaos> not bad
06:11 < capchaos> so you want to finish the target all alone? ;)
06:13 < TrAns13nT> well, I was plannin on trying to take a stab at it, and ask for help if/when i need it
06:13 < TrAns13nT> but I'm always up for input and new ideas
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10:01 < wosch> hi
10:02 < wosch> For building rock from scratch, which snapshot is recommendable?
10:03 < rxr> wosch: cvs
10:03 < wosch> of course... :-)
10:03 < wosch> is it stable enough to get a working iso afterwards?
10:04 < rxr> hm - maybe minor problem - but it is considered stable (stable release next month).
10:05 < wosch> rxr: I'm running your latest (?) drock binary for some time now. Some minor issues, but mostly working.
10:06 < wosch> small issue: X looks for /dev/agpgart, not /dev/misc/agpgart
10:45 < ringo78> How can I unount and remount NFS any ideas ?
10:47 < ringo78> s/unount/umount/
10:51 < blindcoder> moin moin
10:51 < blindcoder> mount -o remount /path/to/moint/point?
10:57 < ringo78> Moin blindcoder: Ok, but if I umount some NFS-fs what do I say to NFS-serv that it is no longer mounted, so I can mount it elsewhere or reboot in the meantime.
10:57 < blindcoder> ?
10:57 < blindcoder> erm... nothing?
11:04 < ringo78> Ok mount said it was older then kernel. Updating mount then.
11:46 < _NULL> morning
11:47 < blindcoder> moin owly
11:50 < _NULL> hi blindy
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12:51 < dzafez> hi
13:01 < _NULL> hi dzafez
13:13 < dzafez> hi _NULL
13:13 < dzafez> does anyone have a nice .iso for me?
13:13 < dzafez> Ireally want to get started
13:14 < dzafez> but I have trouble with all kinds of .isos found on the webpage
13:14 < praenti> hi
13:14 < dzafez> hi
13:15 * praenti trying redhat 9 at the moment
13:15 < dzafez> I fixed my hardware probs and want to start with ROCK
13:16 < dzafez> but before i run into problems compiling ROCK on Debian I would like to start with an ISO
13:18 < dzafez> What is the latest one-CD-ROCK-not-dROCK-ISO_Version?
13:20 < dzafez> I mean I dont dislike dROCK but I don't need X
13:21 * dzafez is having tea && back(10 mi.)
13:21 * dzafez is away: I'm busy
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13:22 < _NULL> praenti: how does it come that you try redhat9?
13:22 < A-Tui> hi all
13:23 < capchaos> hello aitor
13:23 < _NULL> hi A-Tui
13:23 < A-Tui> hello capchaos, _NULL
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13:44 < esden> goood morning
13:44 < A-Tui> good morning esden
13:45 < esden> hehe .. A-Tui you are so often here that you will outrun me in a short time ;-)
13:45 < A-Tui> :) i don't think so :)
13:46 < A-Tui> i'm only learning about ROCK
13:47 < esden> that is good ... do you have ambitions to become a developer? or are you already sending patches?
13:48 < A-Tui> well, at moment i'm translating to spanish and when i have ROCK 1.7 ready, i will like start with do packages
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13:48 < esden> I should also do translations ... but I am too lazy for that ... I prefer coding ;-)
13:49 < esden> but I do document what I code ;-)
13:50 < A-Tui> :) i want to start with packages for ROCK 1.7 (the new format) so i'm waiting that it will be ready
13:50 * dzafez is back (gone 00:28:46)
14:03 < capchaos> kasc not around?
14:21 < dzafez> why does rock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.6.0pre3.iso always reboot when I burn'n'nboot  CD?
14:22 < capchaos> dzafez, what is the last msg while booting?
14:23 < dzafez> loading linux
14:24 < capchaos> 1.6 seems to be broken
14:24 < dzafez> that was my idea as well
14:24 < praenti> no. sound for me like the lilo bios problem
14:25 < praenti> look on the description when you boot from the cd
14:25 < dzafez> it works fine with ROCK 1.4
14:26 < dzafez> linux noapic
14:26 < dzafez> I try this now
14:26 * dzafez works on two keyboards and writes on the wrong one some times
14:27 < dzafez> It didn't change anything
14:29 < dzafez> sry i didn't look fast enough It says "loading linux." not "loading linux"
14:31 * capchaos not using lilo... dunno
14:32 < praenti> dzafez: have you tried "linux nobd noapic"?
14:33 < dzafez> OK where do I get a working ISO?
14:33 < capchaos> dzafez, build it yourself ;-)
14:34 < praenti> dzafez: on what platform do you wnat to install the system? cause that is very strange. the iso is working on my computers
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14:35 < dzafez> yes i tried
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14:35 < A-Tui> re
14:36 < dzafez> have Debian on the other computer- how do i build on debian
14:36 < praenti> dzafez: did you tried it to run on another computer?
14:36 < dzafez> hm just a sec
14:37 < praenti> dzafez: on what processor do you want to install the system?
14:37 < capchaos> dzafez, you need devfs enabled, and some pkgs like curl, recent gcc+glibc....
14:39 < dzafez> ok got gcc 3.2.1 will that work?
14:39 < praenti> dzafez: yes
14:40 * dzafez looks stupid he doesn't know curl
14:41 < dzafez> devfs is ok
14:41 < praenti> [14:37] < praenti> dzafez: on what processor do you want to install the system?
14:41 < praenti> if have no answer yet
14:41 < capchaos> dzafez, curl is just a profound wget replacement
14:41 < dzafez> ok
14:42 < capchaos> ia32-i686, praenti ;-)
14:43 < praenti> this means p4! so on other boxes this wont work!
14:44 < praenti> capchaos: i ask that cause a lot of people mix that very often and then asks why they got illegal instruction or segfaults
14:44 < capchaos> wouldn't it work an an amd whatsoever?
14:44 < dzafez> oh
14:44 < dzafez> i got AMD-K6-2/400
14:44 < praenti> no. then it must be a athlon
14:44 < capchaos> oh, then sry praenti
14:45 < praenti> dzafez: ok. then it is clear why it wont boot
14:45 < dzafez> ok then I will have to compile myself
14:45 < dzafez> thanks
14:45 < praenti> the K6-2 have a little problem with 1.6. the best way is to compile a 1.7 by yourself
14:46 < dzafez> ok got curl 7.9.5-1 now
14:46 < _NULL> prewhich problem do they have with it (except  na kernel which throws asm-errors if it's compiled)
14:47 < _NULL> praenti: i meant
14:48 < dzafez> how long does compilation take on a cel1300?
14:48 < praenti> capchaos: you are partly right. most binary package only knows an optimization for i686. this means p4 and athlon. but the kernel is special optimized for the processor. and as i know huebis naming scheme, he uses athlon when he builds for athlon
14:48 < capchaos> praenti, didn
14:48 < capchaos> praenti, didn't know. maybe there should be a clear note that it's intel p4 only
14:49 < dzafez> yes for noob like me
14:49 < praenti> capchaos: btw. with gcc-3.2 and glibc-2.3 you can optimize more special
14:49 < capchaos> often "intel" is also everything i386 upwards
14:49 < capchaos> praenti, yeh i know, i did
14:49 < dzafez> especially 'cause it is a download-iso from the official site
14:50 < praenti> dzafez: i dont like that also. i prefer putting i586 isos on this site, because k6 also run with that isos
14:51 < dzafez> so I will have to compile for 586 or 686 (better)
14:52 < praenti> dzafez: i can make you another offer. on ftp://biersorten.dyndns.org/ i have two 1.7 isos for i486
14:52 < dzafez> that would make it a lot easier thanks
14:52 < praenti> if you dont want to build by yourself. otherwise you must do some tricks when you build the bootdisks
14:53 < dzafez> hey this are two CD's ! is this dRock?
14:53 < dzafez> or just a whole lot of stuff?
14:53 < dzafez> do I need both?
14:53 < praenti> dzafez: attention. i have only a tdsl line. so speed is not so good. no generic rock 1.7
14:53 < praenti> yes
14:54 < praenti> ok. i will switch off my mldonkey for the moment. then speed should be better
14:54 < capchaos> *g*
14:54 < dzafez> well I have T-DSL1500 so I could use off your whole uploadspeed.
14:54 < dzafez> ähm this will take toooooo long
14:54 < praenti> dzafez: wait a moment before you donwload
14:55 < praenti> ok. ready
14:57 < praenti> btw. the isos are build with openmotif. this is a more better implementation of motif than lesstif is
14:57 < praenti> ohh shitt. chatting is now very slow....
14:57 < dzafez> no thanks I will try to compile now, 12 hours is just tooo bad
14:58 < praenti> ok
14:58 < dzafez> 12 hours for 1CD
14:58 < dzafez> lol
14:58 < dzafez> so what do I take? latest snapshoz?
14:58 < praenti> dzafez: i know alex saers has a better line but he dont fetched the isos for his site
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14:58 < praenti> yet
14:58 < capchaos> hi blindy
14:58 < dzafez> snapshoz == snapshot
14:58 < blindcoder> compiling will take about 72 hours
14:59 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
14:59 < _NULL> wb blindcoder
14:59 < blindcoder> re nully
14:59 < praenti> re blindcoder
15:00 < dzafez> whaaaaaaa  72 hours?
15:00 < dzafez> ui
15:00 < blindcoder> sure
15:00 < dzafez> wow
15:00 < blindcoder> on a 1.8GHz machine, that is
15:00 < dzafez> do I have to compile everything?
15:01 < blindcoder> what do you think ROCK Linux is? a simple shoot'em'up game?
15:01 < blindcoder> depends if you want everything
15:01 < dzafez> I chose ROCK, but I didn't want to use X
15:01 < blindcoder> hmm... hten the time might fall down to about 30 hours
15:01 < dzafez> so what a want is a basic clean system
15:01 < tfing> select only the base packages
15:02 < dzafez> ok
15:02 < dzafez> but I need the latest snapshot?
15:02 < blindcoder> just select "This is a cross-compile". This will leave you with shell, init-system, kernel and network
15:02 < blindcoder> glibc, gcc et al
15:02 < blindcoder> nothing fancy. but also nothing really usable
15:02 < dzafez> well just what I want
15:03 < blindcoder> okay, hawve fun with it then :)
15:03 * blindcoder now having a shower and inline skating
15:03 < dzafez> have funn blindcoder
15:04 * praenti thinks about if he should also buy inline skates next month
15:04 < praenti> driving in the inner city buy a ice-cream and then driving home
15:04 < praenti> that would be cool
15:05 < capchaos> yeh inline skating is great .oO where are my old broken k2 ones..
15:10 < A-Tui> bye
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15:11 < praenti> ok. i will leave also
15:11 < praenti> bye
15:11 * praenti away no reason given
15:11 < capchaos> cu praenti
15:11 < _NULL> bye praenti
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15:22 < capchaos> hi martin_
15:23 < martin_> hello capchaos
15:23 < martin_> hi all
15:27 < dzafez> hi
15:27 < esden> hmm ... noone is answeryng me .. :-(
15:27 < esden> *cry* ...
15:28 < dzafez> answering to what?
15:28 * -> esden is writing emails like mad .. and noone is answering them ... 
15:28 < dzafez> oh
15:28 < esden> perhups it is because of easter
15:28 < dzafez> sad
15:29 < dzafez> yes might be
15:29 < esden> hmm ... now I have to find a place where I can get some cigarettes ...
15:29 < capchaos> yeah the easter bunny has hacked the ml server
15:30 < dzafez> right
15:30 < esden> capchaos: seems so ...
15:30 < esden> that is the newest sendmail worm ;-)
15:30 < esden> a bunny ;-)
15:30 < dzafez> sendmail bunny
15:30 < _NULL> re all
15:30 < esden> or is it perhups a playboy bunny? 
15:31 < esden> that would be more adorable ;-)
15:31 < esden> re _NULL 
15:31 < dzafez> hey what does curl error 28 mean?
15:31 < _NULL> hi esden
15:32 < capchaos>        28     Operation timeout. The specified  time-out  period  was  reached
15:32 < capchaos>               according to the conditions.
15:32 < dzafez> yes found it in the man page as well
15:32 < dzafez> does ist mean I have to start the ROCK downloadscript all over?
15:33 < capchaos> maybe choose another mirror.. rm src/Download-Mirror
15:34 < dzafez> do I have to start the ROCK downloadscript all over? or will it retry automatically?
15:34 < capchaos> dzafez, it'll retry
15:35 < dzafez> cool
15:35 < capchaos> dzafez, well stop it first ;)
15:36 < dzafez> does it reload the files that are allready loaded fine?
15:36 < capchaos> does it tries to resume / continue
15:37 < dzafez> no it goes to the next package and downloads this fine
15:51 < dzafez> why does curl dislike slow connections that bad?
15:52 < dzafez> I mean wget does not give anything about it
16:00 < capchaos> curl_options="$curl_options -y 60 -Y 1  --connect-timeout 300"
16:04 < blindcoder> I hate inline skating
16:04 < blindcoder> esden: my mails are mostly ignored, too.
16:04 < martin_> sorry, if I disturb. Anyone use mplayer 0.90 ?
16:05 < blindcoder> MPlayer 0.90rc4-3.2.1
16:07 < martin_> Hmm, MPlayer < 0.90 works. But 0.90 will not compile :(
16:08 < esden> blindcoder: hmm ... at least I am not the only one suffering under /ignore ;-)
16:09 < blindcoder> esden: indeed
16:10 < esden> urgh ... once more they changed the design of their homepage ...
16:10 < blindcoder> who?
16:10 < esden> they really have nothing better to do then changing the hp design ...
16:10 < esden> mplayer guys
16:10 < blindcoder> oh
16:16 < esden> hmm ... ok gcc3 compiles in stage2 a bit more now ... but how do I have to chop it so that it does not try to build dynamic librarys ... *grumbl*
16:27 < dzafez> capchaos thanx for option
16:41 < dzafez> I still cant compile
16:41 < dzafez> my swap seems to be disabled
16:41 < dzafez> and swapon gives me nothing
16:42 < esden> I think I found it ... ;-)
16:42 < _NULL> swapon /dev/disc/disc0/part9      (or wherever your swap-partition is) did you do this?
16:43 < dzafez> well since this is a debian it should be /dev/hda2
16:44 < dzafez> but it doesn't work
16:44 < _NULL> building rock...?
16:45 < dzafez> neither swapon nor building doesnt work
16:45 < esden> blindcoder: irssi is not compiling here
16:45 < blindcoder> esden: with diet?
16:45 < _NULL> dzafez: do you get an eerrormessage by swapon?
16:45 < esden> nope in a normal build ...
16:46 < blindcoder> why doesn't it compile?
16:46 < esden> I would not say anything if it would not compile with diet ;-)
16:46 < esden> one moment
16:46 < dzafez> yes but in german
16:46 < dzafez> swapon: /dev/hda2: Das Argument ist ungültig
16:47 < dzafez> The build script tells me I could as well disable this in Paranoid
16:47 < esden> blindcoder: Found shared files with other packages:
16:47 < esden> usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i686-pc-linux-gnu/perllocal.pod: gtk-perl10 imagemagick irssi
16:47 < _NULL> huh??? why this? are you sure that it's a swappartition?
16:47 < blindcoder> if it's only that...
16:47 < dzafez> You can disable the Paranoia Checks in the Config tool
16:47 < dzafez> but how?
16:47 < esden> blindcoder: no that is not _only_ that
16:47 < esden> this message is there to be fixed and not ignored
16:47 < dzafez> yes absolutly
16:47 < _NULL> dzafez: expert build options
16:48 < esden> that can cause very nasty problems on a running system
16:48 < blindcoder> esden: okay, so I will write a patch that deletes hte file from irssi
16:48 < _NULL> did you reead Documentation/Build, btw?
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16:49 < esden> blindcoder: as you whish ... most importaint is to fix it the right way ... if deleting it is the right way then do it ...
16:49 < esden> perhups you should rename it or so ...
16:50 < esden> it depends on the file
16:50 < _NULL> 5. [...] b) Your runing kernel [...] must support devfs... [...] and so on, dzafez !
16:50 < blindcoder> esden: it's a ChangeLog File. I would have to change it INSTALL-TIME. Is there support for running commands INSTALL-TIME?
16:50 < dzafez> well I will get back to my Computer in a while and fix my Problem with the Swap. I have to go now. Thanx a lot
16:50 < esden> nope ... and that is not needed
16:50 < _NULL> bye
16:50 < blindcoder> *sigh*
16:51 < dzafez> cu
16:51 * dzafez is away: I'm busy
16:52 < esden> away scripts in irc-clients suck (only for note ;-) )
16:52 < blindcoder> esden: WHY isn't it needed?
16:52 < esden> because you can rename it buld time ;-)
16:52 < blindcoder> because neither clifford nor rene want it?
16:52 < esden> I also do not want it 
16:53 < blindcoder> but it is correct to have 3 versions of the perllocal ChangeLog. I see.
16:53 < esden> it will cause more problems then it will solve
16:53 < blindcoder> if so, then why is almost every other package-format using it?
16:55 < blindcoder> .deb .rpm, hell even gentoo
16:57 < esden> donno ... but that is why all other package formats suck :-)
16:58 < blindcoder> sure. "Everyone's stupid except me."
16:58 < esden> blindcoder: full ack ;-)
16:58 < blindcoder> okay, that's it
16:58 < esden> o_O
16:59 < esden> explain me ... why do you really need install time scripts?
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17:09 < martin_> bye all
17:10 < _NULL> bye martin_
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17:58 < shicker> hi alle
17:58 < _NULL> hi shicker
17:58 < shicker> hab probleme mit pwlib für gnomemeeting
17:59 < shicker> hat da jemand schon erfolgserlebnisse?
17:59 < _NULL> language = english!
17:59 < shicker> :-) sure
18:00 < shicker> i cant compile pwlib
18:02 < _NULL> <-- doesn't use gnome neither gnomemeeting
18:03 < shicker> :-) u know a alternate programm?
18:04 < _NULL> what is gnomemeeting for?
18:06 < shicker> its a H.323 compatible videoconferencing software
18:07 < _NULL> omg. videoconferencing... sorry... no webcam, broadband-connection or something similar here --> no experience with such a software
18:08 < shicker> :-(
18:08 < _NULL> sorry
18:09 < n00kie> Holla _NULL
18:09 < _NULL> hi n00kie
18:12 < faultier> shicker, i used it once some time ago :p
18:12 < faultier> hi n00kie
18:12 < _NULL> faultier: you have a webcam? O_o
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18:12 < n00kie> Heya faultier :)
18:13 < capchaos> _NULL, yeah it even worked halftway with netmeeting on the other side and with isdn :p
18:13 < _NULL> haha - poor faultier
18:14 < capchaos> 1 frame / sec *g+
18:15 < _NULL> great ;) that is what i call quality and high-speed connection
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18:16 < capchaos>  [Lag: 27 (??)]
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18:29 < n00kie> Bbl, dinner.
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19:23 < A-Tui> hi
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20:58 < rxr> re
21:27 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
21:27 * blindcoder feels slightly overdressed
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22:04 < esden> hi all
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22:27 < dreamind> Hi folks :)
22:28 < _NULL> hi dreamind
22:31 < dreamind> Hi _NULL
22:31 < dreamind> *_NULL
22:31 < dreamind> -> sigsegv ;)
22:32 < _NULL> :p
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22:45 < A-Tui> bye
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23:01 < kalii> hello :)
23:02 < _NULL> hi kalii
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23:38 < dzafez> hi
23:41 < dzafez> is this a serious prob? gcc and binutils didn't compile in stage 0 . I mean they get compiled later again i think! should I abourt the build? Or just watch it a little?
23:41 < dzafez> this is just compiling the base not the whole thing
23:42 < _NULL> dzafez: do you have devfs support in your kernel or not? /dev/hda2 doesn't look like devfs!
23:42 < dzafez> uh
23:42 < dzafez> how do i ask my sys?
23:43 < _NULL> read: Documentation/Build
23:43 < _NULL> ls -l /dev
23:43 < _NULL> then if you have devfs, you should have /dev/discs/disc0/part1 e.g. instead of /dev/hda1 for example
23:43 < dzafez> great I mean this is a 2.4.19 Kernel I think it should have devfs
23:44 < dzafez> Well I think then this does not have devfrs
23:44 < _NULL> aeh... you have to enable it in the kernel, compile a new kernel and boot this new kernel
23:44 < dzafez> do you know knoppix 3.2?
23:45 < _NULL> yes
23:45 < dzafez> well I will run off to read if it is with devfs
23:45 < _NULL> it isn't
23:45 < dzafez> I be back in a couple of min.
23:46 < dzafez> it isn't
23:46 < dzafez> ?
23:46 < _NULL> it isn't with devfs...
23:46 < dzafez> ok if you say so
23:46 < _NULL> i don't just say so, i _know_ it
23:46 < dzafez> that gives me a complete new planning for tonight
23:47 < _NULL> hmmm... what about downloading and installing the rock-1.7-isos?
23:47 < dzafez> well then I'll just run of and compile a new Kernel for my Debian Knoppix
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23:48 < dzafez> well
23:48 < _NULL> hm
23:48 < dzafez> It has a absolute positiv side affect to go this way
23:48 < _NULL> ?
23:49 < dzafez> since I want to go further with Rock I need to have my fastest Box able to compile it.
23:49 < dzafez> and this is actually the box i work on the most of the time
23:49 < _NULL> is this bad?
23:50 < dzafez> no this  is good
23:50 < _NULL> well
23:50 < dzafez> I'm going to fix this box up right and there will be lots of interesting beginners-ISO's
23:50 < dzafez> in the future
23:51 < _NULL> hehe - good luck
23:51 < dzafez> thanx
23:51 < _NULL> wlcm
23:51 * dzafez is off compiling a new Kernel
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23:54 < A-Tui> re
23:54 < _NULL> wb A-Tui
23:54 < capchaos> hi aitor!
23:54 < A-Tui> hi friends
23:55 < rxr> *lol*
23:55 < rxr> https://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/sys-apps/mac-fdisk.xml
23:56 < _NULL> hi rxr. mac needs a special fdisk?!?
23:56 < capchaos> hi rxr
23:56 < rxr> hi capchaos and all others ;-)
23:57 < A-Tui> hi rxr
23:57 < capchaos> virtual/glibc ?
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