-!- Irrsi  Log opened Mon Apr 21 00:00:15 2003
-!- Irrsi  Day changed Mon Apr 21 2003
[00:00] < rxr> mostly I *lol*'ed about the broken links any typos ...
[00:01] < capchaos> heh
[00:02] < A-Tui> how many packs there are in ROCK 1.7 (without KDE)?
[00:04] < rxr> A-Tui: arround 650 ...
[00:04] < rxr> root:/home/rene/develop/rock/rock-src-1.7-rxr# l package/*/*/*.desc | wc -l
[00:04] < rxr>     709
[00:04] < A-Tui> ok, i have built now 676 :)
[00:05] < A-Tui> but there are several pkgs errors :(
[00:11] < esden> re hi all
[00:11] < A-Tui> hi esden
[00:12] < _NULL> wb esden
[00:16] < rxr> some notes:
[00:16] < rxr> could you point new people to the preleminary 2.0.0 page?
[00:16] < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/2.0.0.html
[00:16] < rxr> there is also an errata including DONE and TODO ...
[00:16] < rxr> maybe someone has some additins ?
[00:21] < _NULL> gcc-2.3.1?
[00:25] < _NULL> i thought it was gcc-2.95.3 and gcc-3.2.2?
[00:28] < rxr> ah typo thanks
[00:29] < rxr> fixed
[00:29] < _NULL> k
[00:31] < capchaos> rxr, s/wast/waste/, s/archive/achieve/, s/hight/high/  ?
[00:31] < capchaos> :)
[00:31] < rxr> hehe
[00:33] < rxr> fixed thanks
[00:33] < rxr> I should always enable xemacs' flyspell-mode  ...
[00:36] < n00kie> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/2.0.0.html <- Bottom "Night" nut "NIght" :)
[00:39] < rxr> ack - fixed
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[00:48] < rolla> re
[00:48] < rolla> R_chroot.sh: line 2: ./scripts/Build-Pkg: No such file or directory
[00:48] < rolla> ./scripts/Create-Links: line 51: ln: command not found
[00:48] < rolla> anyone know how to fix that ?
[00:59] < rxr> no - sorry
[00:59] < ringo78> I get the same error ...
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[01:00] < rxr> any build errors at this stage ?
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[01:04] < rxr> Wow! My iBook is now running the first ROCK PowerPC ISO ever created ;-)!
[01:05] < esden> rxr: CONGRATS!!!
[01:05] < Caspar> :)
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[01:31] < rxr> fixed vim
[01:33] < esden> question: does anyone know a good cd ripping programm?
[01:33] < rxr> you mean some integrated GUI app ?
[01:35] < esden> for example ... something GOOD ...
[01:35] < esden> ;-)
[01:35] < esden> there is one for kde
[01:36] < _NULL> god, is this slow...
[01:36] < _NULL> 77 B/s
[01:37] < _NULL> gn8
[01:39] < esden> n8 owl
[01:39] < rxr> esden: what are you looking for? some integrated gui app? what should it do? convertion to ogg/vorbis or mp3 ?
[01:41] < snyke> n8
[01:41] < rxr> n8 snyke
[01:52] < capchaos> esden, https://www.geocities.com/ukcave/ripit.html
[02:01] < esden> yes rxr
[02:01] < esden> capchaos: thanks ...
[02:02] < rxr> start konqueror
[02:02] < rxr> as URL "audiocd:/"
[02:03] < rxr> drag'n drop wav mp3 or ogg - incl. title information ... ;-)
[02:03] < esden> muahaha
[02:04] < rxr> hm?
[02:11] < capchaos> ogg rules btw :)
[02:12] < esden> yes ogg rulez
[02:16] < esden> ok ... I now drive back to munich
[02:17] < esden> cu l8er
[02:18] < rxr> cu esden
[02:18] < rxr> ACK capchaos: yes Ogg/Vorbis rulez ,-)
[02:18] < capchaos> :)
[02:23] < capchaos> !> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/autoheader: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpr ..
[02:23] < capchaos> wtf?
[02:23] < capchaos> does it need perl6 or what? ;)
[02:24] < capchaos> it was == 01:33:06 =[2]=> Building base/gcc2 [2.95.3 1.7-snapshot].
[02:25] < n00kie> gcc 2.95 ?
[02:25] < n00kie> why not gcc 3.2.x ?
[02:25] < capchaos> generic target, i didn't to anything ;)
[02:25] < n00kie> ah
[02:25] < capchaos> s/to/do/
[02:26] < n00kie> alright :)
[02:26] < capchaos> yes it uses 3.2.2 to build
[02:43] < rxr> cu all
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[03:05] < mnemoc> anybody knows how to avoid gcc to abort on warnings when no -Werror is used?
[03:10] < capchaos> it aborts on warnings without -Werror ?
[03:10] < mnemoc> at least it looks like a warning
[03:11] < mnemoc> on 0-mine... when building libtar
[03:12] < capchaos> -w suppresses all warnings
[03:12] < mnemoc> i message the lines to you
[03:12] < mnemoc> is it a warning?
[03:14] < capchaos> no it's an error.... wait..
[03:22] < A-Tui> 3.3 gb and i have not suficient disk space :(
[03:27] < A-Tui> bye bye cu tomorrow
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[04:31] < _NULL> hi TrAns13nT
[04:33] < TrAns13nT> howdy
[04:33] < capchaos> hi transient
[04:34] < TrAns13nT> howdy
[04:35] < TrAns13nT> happy easter
[04:36] < capchaos> dito
[04:36] < TrAns13nT> i;ve had better
[04:39] < capchaos> better what?
[04:43] < TrAns13nT> easters/days, take your pick
[04:44] < capchaos> what happened?
[04:45] < esden> re hi all
[04:46] < capchaos> hi esden
[04:46] < capchaos> == 04:18:53 =[5]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.20 1.7-snapshot].
[04:51] < _NULL> capchaos: wtf are you doing with your box??
[04:51] < _NULL> wb esden
[04:52] < capchaos> _NULL, wtf do you mean? ;-)
[04:52] < _NULL> capchaos: cuz you're already in stage 5
[04:53] < _NULL> or better your build
[04:54] < capchaos> _NULL, envious? ;)
[04:54] < esden> capchaos: do you have a cray at home?
[04:55] < _NULL> capchaos: sure :p
[04:55] < capchaos> sure, my granny sorted it out
[04:55] < esden> hehe ;-)
[04:56] < esden> perhups you are compiling on the world computer ... the japanese have built shortly ;-)
[04:56] < capchaos> :()
[04:56] < esden> hmm ... it is a vector machine ... so you had to do something really nasty to gcc to get it running on it ;-)
[04:56] < capchaos> i dunno... actually only started Build-Target
[04:56] < esden> and linux kernel
[04:57] < capchaos> what does a cray cost?
[04:58] < TrAns13nT> sorry, was dealiong with somethign in my channel, just been a long day, think I lost a friend cause of some childish thing
[04:58] < esden> donno ... a _LOT_
[04:58] < capchaos> TrAns13nT, shit happens
[04:59] < esden> hmm ... 4 minutes to encode a 100mb wav file sounds ok ;-)
[04:59] < TrAns13nT> your tellin me
[04:59] < esden> that is about a half an hour music ...
[04:59] < capchaos> esden, encode to/from what?
[04:59] < esden> encoding to mp3
[04:59] < esden> ogg takes longer
[05:00]   esden needs a vector coprocessor
[05:00] < capchaos> yeah, ogg is odd but sounds better somehow
[05:00] < esden> that would speed up things
[05:00] < capchaos> heh don't grab to the stars
[05:00] < esden> powerbook does have a vector coprocessor
[05:00] < capchaos> hmmm i dunno about vector processors..
[05:01] < esden> lovely toys ;-)
[05:02] < _NULL> <-- sleeping (hopefully)
[05:02] < _NULL> gn8
[05:02] < esden> n8 owl
[05:02] < capchaos> gnu8 nulli
[05:02] < _NULL> gn8 esden, capchaos
[05:21] < TrAns13nT> sweet z's
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[06:46] < esden> if someone of you is searching the most beautifull xmms plugin then try jess
[06:48] < capchaos> bah who needs xmms, mpg123 has the most beautiful plugin -> bash *g
[06:48] < esden> purist
[06:49] < esden> use bb ;-)
[06:49] < capchaos> bb?
[06:49] < esden> an ascii demo
[06:49] < capchaos> *google*
[06:49] < esden> it is not a plugin but the most beautifull thing I have ever seen in ascii mode ;-)
[06:49] < esden> it is based on aalib
[06:50] < esden> and from the same guys
[06:51] < esden> ok ... I go to bed
[06:51] < esden> good night
[06:52] < capchaos> mplayer in aa mode rocks
[06:52] < capchaos> sleep well
[06:52] < capchaos> esden, vampire :p
[06:53] < TrAns13nT> mplayer -vo fbcon rox in a 1280x1024 console
[06:54] < mnemoc> can anyone dcc me 0-mine.log? please :-)
[06:56] < capchaos> TrAns13nT, ack
[06:56] < TrAns13nT> y ack?
[06:57] < mnemoc> please :(
[06:57] < capchaos> mnemoc, be patient :p
[06:57] < mnemoc> =)
[06:58] < TrAns13nT> y ack though?
[06:59] < capchaos> TrAns13nT, cos mplayer rocks anyways
[07:00] < TrAns13nT> mplayer won't start from my flux menu
[07:00] < capchaos> TrAns13nT, how comes?
[07:00] < TrAns13nT> dun't righly know
[07:01] < TrAns13nT> *rightly
[07:01] < TrAns13nT> i can run iit from a term, but can't start it from my menu
[07:06] < esden> flux?
[07:07] < TrAns13nT> fluxbox
[07:07] < capchaos> not "flachs" ;-)
[07:08] < esden> ahh ok
[07:08]   esden uses fluxbox ... but I am still on a search for a better window manager ...
[07:08] < esden> fast ... small and beautifull ...
[07:09] < TrAns13nT> threre is none better
[07:09] < TrAns13nT> and u can have 5 terms in one window with the tabs ;-)
[07:09] < capchaos> esden, have you tried Ion ?
[07:09] < esden> when I use X then it has to be a overkill on colors ;-)
[07:09] < capchaos> or treewm? :)
[07:09] < esden> Ion ? o_O
[07:09] < esden> treewm?
[07:10] < capchaos> both are very special
[07:11] < capchaos> <URL:https://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion//>
[07:11] < TrAns13nT> special ed ;-)
[07:11] < capchaos> <URL:https://treewm.sf.net>
[07:11] < capchaos> black-/fluxbox is toooo simple :p
[07:12]   mnemoc is away [log:off] [pager:off] : [ dead ]
[07:12] < TrAns13nT> fluxbox > blackbox
[07:12] < capchaos> yeh
[07:12] < capchaos> esden, i would like to add Ion to ROCK ;-)
[07:12] < esden> hmm ... it really looks nice the ion
[07:12] < esden> have to test it
[07:13] < capchaos> it's nice for programming... no overlapping windows
[07:13] < capchaos> only problem is gimp looks bad with it's little subwindows
[07:14] < capchaos> and Ion does _everythingy_ the keyboard way
[07:14] < esden> hmm ... treewm is not looking very nice to me ...
[07:14] < esden> it is an ill idea
[07:14] < esden> capchaos: so it is a bit like ratpoison?
[07:14] < capchaos> why ill?
[07:15] < capchaos> esden, yeh Ion is derived from ratpoison
[07:15] < esden> ohh
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[07:15] < CapCrunch> ;-)
[07:15] < capchaos> :P
[07:15] -!- CapCrunch is now known as TrAns13nT
[07:16] < capchaos> i like to be crunched, to on... :)
[07:16] < esden> TrAns13nT: do not crunch too loud ... and please clean up the mess when you are ready ;-)
[07:17] < TrAns13nT> nah, thats capchaos's job
[07:17] < capchaos> yeh clean me up, i my leftover pieces make a big mes
[07:17] < capchaos> s
[07:18] < capchaos> you'll have to do it, you've eaten my arms
[07:20]   esden is asking himself why this channel is getting so red ...
[07:21] < capchaos> well, dark red actually, don't forget the coffee O-o
[07:22] < esden> ahh ok
[07:23] < esden> ok ... a bit of whisky before sleep
[07:23] < capchaos> whisky??!
[07:24] < capchaos> Trunkenbold ;)
[07:24] < esden> yes whisky ... Glenfiddich Scotch Whisky
[07:24] < esden> that is a very good one
[07:24] < esden> very tasty
[07:25] < capchaos> i'll look out for it when i feel sad..
[07:25] < TrAns13nT> wild turkey rare breed
[07:26] < TrAns13nT> or just straight everclear
[07:26] < esden> ok ... now I can go to bed
[07:26] < esden> good night guys
[07:26] < TrAns13nT> sweet z's
[07:26] < capchaos> sw33t dreams
[07:27] < esden> thanks *bow*
[08:54] < capchaos> Since we have to speak well of the dead, let's knock them while they're alive.
[08:54] < capchaos>                 -- John Sloan
[08:54] < capchaos> *argh*
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[09:24] < kasc> moin
[09:25] < TrAns13nT> howdy
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[09:44] < rxr> re
[09:49] < TrAns13nT> howdy
[10:03] < rxr> hi TrAns13nT
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[12:03] < praenti> moin
[12:13] < rxr> hi praenti
[12:20] < praenti> rxr: do you have already a solution for the duplicate man-pages of cups and lprng?
[12:21] < rxr> erhm - solution yes: rename them - code no, was not on my todo ...
[12:22] < rxr> praenti: could you patch the Makefile to install the pages to $name-cups and $name-lprng ?
[12:23] < praenti> makefile is the problem. the man-files have already their name i think. i have the same problem with openmotif
[12:23] < praenti> there also a man-page which make acollision
[12:23] < rxr> sure the file will be lp.5 (or so)
[12:24] < rxr> so you patch the makefile to do a
[12:24] < praenti> the better would be a postmake function in the conf where the files are renamed but i dont know if this would be aclean solution
[12:24] < rxr> install lp.5 $prefix/man/lp-cups.5
[12:24] < rxr> or similat (pseudo code)
[12:24] < praenti> ahh. ok. you're right. i will have a look at that
[12:24] < rxr> praenti: no moves! this can cause problems on an installed ROCK Linux where the file aready exists ...
[12:25] < praenti> rxr: yes i know no moves. so i did that with cp and rm
[12:25] < praenti> is this also a problem?
[12:26] < praenti> cause i need to modify my current running build
[12:26] < praenti> ...then...
[12:26] < rxr> yes - on an yet installed system with cups only you would remove the cups manpage from lprng ...
[12:27] < praenti> hmm. ok. then i will do that now.
[12:27] < blindcoder> moin
[12:27] < blindcoder> *yawn*
[12:32] < ringo78> moin all(e)
[12:37] < rxr> praenti: could you poast your patch in a querry when it is finished ?
[12:42] < praenti> ok. but this can take some time
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[12:43] < wosch> hi
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[12:46] < wosch> which mirror already has mine-0.11.tar.bz2?
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[13:02] < rxr> hi wo
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[13:14] < wosch> re
[13:16] < wosch> the current cvs is looking for mine 0.11, the newest i found so far is 0.10  -- where's 0.11?
[13:17] < esden> good morning
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[13:19] < daja77> hi everybody
[13:19] < wosch> moin!
[13:19] < daja77> hey wosch
[13:20] < esden> moin daja77
[13:20] < daja77> huhu esden, how was easter?
[13:21] < esden> it was ok ... I had a lot of time to code ... ;-)
[13:21] < daja77> ;)
[13:21]   esden currently looking in evas
[13:21] < daja77> evas?
[13:22] < esden> www.enlightenment.org/pages/evas.html
[13:24] < daja77> nice :)
[13:25] < esden> yes very nice
[13:26] < esden> ohh ... there is a etcher documentation ... very nice ! : https://www.cuddletech.com/e17/tutorial/etcher-tutorial.html
[13:28] < daja77> there is only one question left, who needs enlightenment...
[13:29] < esden> who needs X, who needs shell? this questions are perfectly as valid as yours ...
[13:30] < daja77> hmm, ok
[13:30] < rxr> jups evas _is_ nice ;-)
[13:30] < wosch> everybody needs enlightenment... ommmm! :-)
[13:30] < esden> rxr: FULL ACK
[13:30] < daja77> wosch: no
[13:30] < esden> wosch: no ... that is not what I ment
[13:30] < rxr> esden: read the mail from cliff ...
[13:31] < esden> ohh
[13:31] < esden> on it
[13:31]   wosch thinks: Did I forget a smiley there?
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[13:32] < esden> rxr: ohh so it is official?
[13:32] < esden> nice
[13:32]   daja77 checking mail...
[13:33] < rxr> esden: seems like cliff is thinking this is official - thus my reply. We should make it official.
[13:37] < praenti> rxr: this is not the thing you want? otherwise i create the patch now
[13:37] < praenti> lpd.conf.5-lprng
[13:38] < esden> rxr: I replyed to dis mail check your mailbox
[13:38] < rxr> praenti: hm?
[13:39] < praenti> i can also do it this way lpd.conf-lprng.5
[13:39] < esden> rxr: but i think first we have to wirte an email to the person that is working on it (/me extra not mentioning the name)
[13:39] < rxr> esden: jups - we should do so
[13:39] < praenti> or lprng-lpd.conf.5
[13:39] < rxr> have you time in some hours to write some lines with me ?
[13:39] < praenti> it is your choice
[13:40] < rxr> (which will then discussed with cliff)
[13:40] < praenti> ok
[13:40] < esden> rxr: hmm ... yes I have ... but I think clifford should write the email ... because he is the authority ...
[13:40] < rxr> praenti: ah no
[13:40] < rxr> praenti: I meant esden ...
[13:40] < rxr> praenti: for the name:
[13:40] < praenti> ohh. ok
[13:41] < rxr> praenti: I would prefer lpd.conf-lprng.5 - this is ok
[13:41] < esden> waahhh it is _COLD_ here
[13:41] < rxr> esden: sure - but we can provide some lines - so he has s.th. to start with
[13:41]   esden needs a shower immediatly
[13:41] < rxr> esden: much fun1
[13:41] < esden> rxr: yes I take a shower and dress then we write something
[13:42] < esden> or make a draft ... and I take a look at it
[13:42] < esden> I make out some ideas while showering
[13:42]   esden off to shower
[13:42] < rxr> I meant "in some hours" so I can fix some more ROCK bugs before this (time wasting task) ... ;-)
[13:43] < esden> ahh ok ... no problem I am the whole day around ;-)
[13:43] < praenti> rxr: btw. about what mail did you talked with esden=
[13:43] < praenti> ?
[13:44]   esden has to work on the gcc problem too ... >_<
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[13:56] < _NULL> moin
[13:56] < praenti> moin _NULL
[13:57] < esden> ok ... now I am alife
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[13:57] < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
[13:57] < praenti> re blindcoder
[13:57] < daja77> hi _NULL
[13:57] < daja77> hi blindcoder
[13:57] < blindcoder> praenti: will you be at "Tanzbar" today?
[13:58] < _NULL> hi praenti, blindcoder , daja77
[13:59] < esden> "The E Convas Library, allowins hardware rendered canvasing that pulls eye candy back out of Anime films and back ontop of X, where it belongs." *ROFL*
[13:59] < esden> very nice description
[13:59] < esden> hi owli
[14:00] < _NULL> hi esden
[14:00] < esden> hi blindcoder
[14:00] < blindcoder> esden: ?
[14:00] < blindcoder> esden: what's that?
[14:00] < blindcoder> esden: hi btw.
[14:01] < esden> that is evas ... a library enlightenment is based on
[14:01] < esden> and what I cited is a description what it is ;-)
[14:01] < blindcoder> aha... and what does it have to do with Anime?
[14:01] < esden> Anime = eye candy
[14:01] < blindcoder> yeah... sure... but... haeh?
[14:01] < esden> hehe ;-)
[14:02]   blindcoder has only had one cup of coffee when he got up two hours ago... please consider this fact when answering
[14:02] < esden> yes ok ...
[14:02] < esden> I try once more ...
[14:02] < _NULL> *g*
[14:02] < blindcoder> thanks :)
[14:03] < esden> evas is a drawing library using Imlib2 for drawing ... it knows of canvas (drawing areas) and is fully object oriented (even if it is c ... /*no comment*/) the objects are things that are beeing drawn on the canvas ... it transparently uses hardware acceleration where it is avalable for drawing
[14:04] < esden> it has many backends like X11 or GL
[14:04] < esden> but others are imaginable
[14:04] < blindcoder> okay, got it that far
[14:04] < esden> on that library are based other librarys on top of which eterm 9 and enlightenment 17 is built
[14:05] < blindcoder> yes. okay.
[14:06] < blindcoder> and where is my almost complete (5 missing Episodes) collection of Card Captor Sakura coming in?
[14:06] < esden> and the librarys is the amazing part of e17 not e17 itself ... even if it will become pure eye candy (more beautifull color combinations then your brain can stand ;-) one of the most beautifull tortures of the world  )
[14:06]   blindcoder simply can't be too sleepy for teasing esden :D
[14:07] < praenti> rxr: lprng patch is in query
[14:07] < esden> hmm ... nowhere ... they only mean that Anime is so beautifull and colourfull that it should be on the desktop and not only in films ... see lain ;-)
[14:07] < blindcoder> okay, there they are right ;)
[14:07] < rxr> 3mom
[14:07] < esden> and the main developer of e17 (rastaman) is also drawing stuff
[14:09] < blindcoder> okay
[14:10] < esden> /join #e
[14:10] < esden> ups
[14:11] < blindcoder> GAH
[14:11] < esden> o_O
[14:12] < blindcoder> rene/koffice is running ./configure since 12:42 now again and again
[14:12] < blindcoder> configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target
[14:12] < blindcoder> configure: WARNING: invalid host type: $extraconfopt
[14:12] < blindcoder> and restarts ./configure
[14:13] < daja77> blindcoder: this means it could not determine which system it is building for
[14:13] < blindcoder> daja77: yes... but shouldn't it just exit(1) then?
[14:13] < blindcoder> daja77: instead o starting over again and again for one and a half hours?
[14:13] < blindcoder> == 12:42:26 =[5]=> Building rene/koffice [1.2.1 1.7-snapshot].
[14:14] < blindcoder> it's just configuing since then
[14:14] < daja77> blindcoder: hmm, yes, normally it aborts, or ignores this fact ...
[14:14] < blindcoder> or is this "normal"?
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[14:14] < daja77> it was not normal when some of the gnome packages complained about this...
[14:15] < kalii> hi
[14:15] < daja77> hi kalii
[14:15] < blindcoder> hi kalii
[14:15] < _NULL> hi kalii
[14:21] < rxr> blindcoder: hm - I also saw such an endless loop in a version of xine some moths ago
[14:22] < rxr> it might be a bug in our build scripts - I currently have the problem that errors are often not detected - and the package is marked as "ok" when it exited with an error ...
[14:22] < blindcoder> it seems to continue building, though
[14:22] < rxr> I'll take a look into this tonight (if Cliff is not faster ;-)
[14:23] < blindcoder> I can send you the log if you want
[14:23] < kalii> what about steal source packages from gentoo? :)
[14:23] < kalii> sorry for my english
[14:23] < kalii> :)
[14:24] < blindcoder> == 04/21/03 14:23:56 =[5]=> Finished building package koffice.
[14:24] < blindcoder> hmm
[14:24] < daja77> kalii: no, they do not fit into build system
[14:26] < esden> once more ... if someone is searching the most beautifull xmms plugin then jess is what you want ;-)
[14:26] < blindcoder> esden: hmm... visualisation?
[14:26] < esden> yes
[14:26] < blindcoder> then I don't need it.
[14:26] < esden> :P
[14:26] < blindcoder> I rarely switch to my XMMS-Desktop
[14:27] < esden> that is why the jess window is floating and sticky ;-)
[14:27] < blindcoder> Then I'm bound to move it around and around because it's in my way. I already have problems with floating and sticky licq-windows
[14:28] < esden> that is why I run licq not on my main machine but on my laptop ;-)
[14:28] < blindcoder> I run everything on my main machine. mainly because I don't have a) network b) a second machine
[14:29] < esden> you have the sparcs my friend
[14:29]   tfing got rid of his floating icq window with bitlbee
[14:29] < esden> and really enough of them
[14:31] < blindcoder> esden: yeah. but currently neither network nor will to do much on computers
[14:31] < esden> ok ...
[14:35] < blindcoder> okay, gotta shower now, clean up the house and go skating then.
[14:35] < blindcoder> Maybe i'm at the "Tanzbar" today. not sure now
[14:35] < blindcoder> baba
[14:38] < esden> have fun blindcoder
[16:14] < rolla> re
[16:14] < Mike1> moin all
[16:14] < rolla> Mike1: just the man I needed to see
[16:15] < rxr> hi Mike1
[16:15] < Mike1> hi rolla :)
[16:15] < Mike1> hey Ren
[16:16] < esden> ahh nice ... uclibc guys have a gcc/uclibc crosscompiler
[16:16] < esden> very nice
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[16:17] < A-Tui> hi friends
[16:17] < esden> hi A-Tui!
[16:17] < A-Tui> hola esden
[16:19] < _NULL> hi A-Tui
[16:19] < A-Tui> hi _NULL
[16:19] < A-Tui> how many disk space requires *.gem built?
[16:20] < A-Tui> i used a partition of 3.7G only in the system build
[16:20] < A-Tui> and now i haven't space for the gem packages
[16:29] < praenti> rxr: the patches are working. do you want to submit the patches or should i send them to the list?
[16:29] < Mike1> hi praenti.
[16:29] < Mike1> saludos Aitor
[16:30] < praenti> hi Mike1
[16:30] < A-Tui> saludos Miguel :)
[16:30] < praenti> saludos = hi?
[16:30] < Mike1> praenti: ack.
[16:30] < A-Tui> yes praenti
[16:30] < Mike1> praenti: but think about it more as cheers :)
[16:30] < praenti> ahh. ok. saludos Mike1 and A-Tui
[16:30] < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7# du -sh rock-src-1.7.tsa/
[16:30] < esden> 9.1G    rock-src-1.7.tsa
[16:30] < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7#
[16:30] < A-Tui> saludos praenti :)
[16:31]   praenti dont know anything about spanish
[16:31] < praenti> till now
[16:31] < esden> A-Tui: that is a whole generic build+bootdisks+rocksources
[16:31] < Mike1> praenti: you know how to greet now :)
[16:31] < A-Tui> pfff i must make magic :(
[16:31] < praenti> yes :-)
[16:31] < A-Tui> praenti: it's so easy
[16:32] < praenti> should be cause i have learned latin at school but i have forgotten most things and words :-(
[16:32] < A-Tui> i think i would buy a new disk this evening
[16:32] < A-Tui> praenti: i learned latin too, but it's not very similar
[16:33] < esden> I use a 30GB disk for rock development nearly exclusively
[16:33] < A-Tui> spanish it's more easy
[16:33] < praenti> A-Tui: interesting. most people tells me if you can latin you learn languages like spanish and french more easier.
[16:33] < A-Tui> esden: i think i have to give me a gift :) A new disk
[16:34] < A-Tui> praenti: it could be couse i learned first spanish
[16:34] < esden> A-Tui: I am short on diskspace myself ... sorry
[16:34] < esden> I always need more disks ...
[16:34] < A-Tui> if you are not spanish speaker, perhaps knows latin help you
[16:34] < A-Tui> esden: :)
[16:35] < A-Tui> i must go out this evening so i will buy a new disk
[16:35] < esden> but I think I will buy a 200GB disk soon
[16:35] < A-Tui> 200GB? w0w
[16:36] < capchaos> and then mkfs.ext2 ;-9
[16:36] < A-Tui> :)
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[16:36] < capchaos> and hard-reboot
[16:37] < esden> capchaos: ?
[16:37] < praenti> A-Tui: hmm. perhaps i should try it. the only time latin was a good help was as i tried to understand an italian speaker
[16:38] < capchaos> esden, i wonder how long fsck will take on a 200G disk
[16:38] < A-Tui> italian and spanish are very very similar in words
[16:38] < praenti> hmm. thats interesting
[16:38] < A-Tui> praenti: if you try it, and need help, i will be glad to give it you :)
[16:38] < esden> capchaos: I do not know either
[16:39]   praenti will do a spanish course when he is at the fh again
[16:39] < capchaos> spanish rocks
[16:39] < A-Tui> fh?
[16:39] < praenti> fh is a german school. you can say university of applied science to that
[16:39] < A-Tui> ah, ok
[16:40] < praenti> school form is better
[16:40]   capchaos had a spanish course.. it's not that difficult if you had latin
[16:40] < rxr> praenti: *lol* not ack ...
[16:41] < praenti> fh is an abbreviation for "Fachhochschule" dont know if such a university form exists in other countries
[16:42] < praenti> rxr: ?
[16:42] < A-Tui> university form? i don't know that sorry
[16:42] < praenti> rxr: this is the translation our fh uses for the international people
[16:42] < rxr> ACK I was only commenting the "school form is better" ...
[16:42] < praenti> A-Tui: organisation. sorry form was the wrong word
[16:43] < praenti> rxr: ok
[16:43] < A-Tui> it's a private one?
[16:43] < rxr> A-Tui: no
[16:44] < A-Tui> aha, i think grades at school are very diferent here
[16:44] < capchaos> A-Tui, university of applied sciences is know as "polytechnic" in other languages
[16:44] < A-Tui> ahh yes
[16:45] < A-Tui> i know that
[16:45] < A-Tui> in spanish it's "Escuela Politécnica"
[16:45] < praenti> capchaos: thanks. i treid to describe that but i dont find the right one
[16:46] < capchaos> praenti, np. have fun learning spanish :p
[16:46] < A-Tui> :)
[16:46] < capchaos> russian rocks btw too! ;)
[16:46] < A-Tui> Spanish is a pretty language
[16:46] < praenti> ;-)
[16:46] < praenti> capchaos: you learn russian?
[16:47] < capchaos> praenti, i grew up with it
[16:47] < Mike1> capchaos: teach us some russian.
[16:47] < capchaos> Mike1, horoscho, tovarish!
[16:47] < A-Tui> yeah, russian sound cool
[16:47] < praenti> capchaos: i know only a few people which took this as third language at school
[16:48] < Mike1> capchaos: cool, now wtf did you say? :)
[16:48] < capchaos> A-Tui, it's similar to spanish in that is sounds like spoken by gangsters *g
[16:48] < A-Tui> capchaos: XD
[16:48] < Mike1> capchaos: are you a gangsters?
[16:48] < Mike1> -s
[16:48] < A-Tui> :)
[16:48] < praenti> *g*
[16:49] < capchaos> Mike1, yeah! *3v1l*
[16:49] < Mike1> capchaos: nice :P
[16:49] < A-Tui> there are too many dialects from german?
[16:49] < capchaos> A-Tui, oh yes ;>
[16:50] < capchaos> A-Tui, some germans even don't understand each other..
[16:50] < A-Tui> :)
[16:50] < praenti> capchaos: btw. what do you mean with "i grew up with it". do you come from east germany?
[16:51] < capchaos> praenti, i come from big brother itself
[16:51] < A-Tui> :)
[16:51] < Mike1> have anyone seen daja77 around today?
[16:52] < praenti> A-Tui: yes. the nordish people have a lot of problem with understanding us and also we with them
[16:52]   praenti is from bavaria
[16:52] < A-Tui> praenti: here it's similar
[16:53] < A-Tui> it's very difficult understand southest people
[16:53] < Mike1> even in spanish there is this stuff
[16:53] < praenti> A-Tui: but the strangest dialect is the from "sachsen" (can anybody translate that)
[16:53] < Mike1> you guys could be amazed on how different is A-Tui's spanish from mine
[16:53] < praenti> the dialect from
[16:53] < A-Tui> praenti: sachen it's from north?
[16:53] < praenti> A-Tui: no. this is one of our neighbours ;-)
[16:54] < A-Tui> Mike1: yes, f.e. you use s/c/s/ :)
[16:54] < Mike1> A-Tui: yeah something like that :)
[16:54] < praenti> A-Tui: we have three completly different dialects here in bavaria
[16:54] < A-Tui> praenti: bavarian includes Austria?
[16:54] < praenti> A-Tui: no
[16:54] < A-Tui> ok
[16:55] < praenti> even if they speak nearly the same dialect as the bavarians
[16:56] < A-Tui> Mike1: people for South America speak a very relax spanish, sound very pretty :)
[16:56] < praenti> but we have here "fränkisch". this is around nuremberg.
[16:56] < A-Tui> praenti: where are you from exactly?
[16:56] < praenti> and "schwäbisch". this is aroung augsburg
[16:56] < praenti> A-Tui: Ingolstadt
[16:56] < A-Tui> praenti: i had never hear this place :)
[16:56] < praenti> A-Tui: Audi?
[16:56] < A-Tui> yes
[16:56] < A-Tui> :)
[16:57]   Mike1 bored
[16:57] < praenti> it is in the middle of bavaria.
[16:58] < A-Tui> praenti: i imagine where is placed
[16:58] < praenti> we have all the three dialects here mixed ;-) but most people speak the bavarian dialect
[16:58] < capchaos> Mike1, davai, nemnoschko programirovat!
[16:58] < A-Tui> that sound complicated
[16:59] < Mike1> capchaos: nah, i will just relax today :)
[16:59] < capchaos> Mike1, heh have fun lazy guy ;)
[16:59] < A-Tui> Mike1: go to the beach :)
[16:59] < Mike1> capchaos: no rock is done by me anymore so..
[16:59] < capchaos> :(
[16:59] < Mike1> A-Tui: i have to stay in the office.
[17:00] < praenti> A-Tui: and Audi (head office is here) is the biggest company here. EADS (flight probing and assembly) is in the neighbourhood
[17:00] < A-Tui> Mike1: ops :(
[17:00] < A-Tui> praenti: it's a big city?
[17:01] < praenti> A-Tui: no. it is the youngest city over 100000 people in bavaria
[17:01] < A-Tui> it's small
[17:01] < A-Tui> :)
[17:01] < A-Tui> i lived in a small city too, it's very peacefull
[17:01] < A-Tui> s/lived/live
[17:02] < praenti> A-Tui: and with the most pubs per person in germany
[17:02] < A-Tui> praenti: that's cool :)
[17:03] < A-Tui> pub=bar?
[17:03] < praenti> yes
[17:03] < A-Tui> here there is a distinction between pub and bar
[17:03] < A-Tui> they are not the same thing
[17:03] < praenti> only regensburg has more pubs. and only 15000 to 20000 people more as ingolstadt
[17:04] < praenti> A-Tui: what is bar and a pub there?
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[17:04] < A-Tui> we can say that a pub it's a modern bar for young people
[17:05] < praenti> A-Tui: here all the pubs are called "Gaststätte". there is no difference in the word.
[17:05] < A-Tui> and the traditional bar are like "cantinas"
[17:05] < praenti> A-Tui: this can be a bar or a pub.
[17:05] < A-Tui> aha
[17:06] < praenti> but most of our inner city pubs are real pubs
[17:06] < A-Tui> what time usually have dinner there?
[17:07] < praenti> at 7 or 8 pm. but that is very different
[17:07] < A-Tui> yes, it's to early
[17:07] < praenti> lunch is around 12 pm
[17:07] < A-Tui> too
[17:07] < praenti> only on weekends lunch is about 1 pm
[17:08] < A-Tui> here we live with 2-3 hours of delay :)
[17:10] < praenti> A-Tui: i know. we have a what you call bar where the spanish way of eating is done. small meals but as the card says you should eat with a delay of 2-3 hours
[17:11] < praenti> most of the meals from spain
[17:11] < A-Tui> yes
[17:11] < praenti> and with a good wine card
[17:11] < A-Tui> yes, wine it's very popular here
[17:12] < A-Tui> a good red wine with the lunch it's something mandatory :)
[17:13] < praenti> A-Tui: but the funniest thing is that our german physicians says to us that we should eat like the spanish. cause this way of eating is more healthy than that what we do
[17:14] < praenti> but this is life ;-)
[17:14] < A-Tui> :)
[17:14] < A-Tui> well, food here it's very heavy
[17:14] < A-Tui> we eat too much
[17:15] < praenti> ;-) this is general european problem i think
[17:15] < A-Tui> yeah, food it's great!
[17:17] < praenti> perhaps i should do a holiday in spain. but i dont like the areas where all of the tourist are
[17:17] < A-Tui> mmm it depends what you are looking
[17:17] < A-Tui> if you want typical spanish postcards, then go to the south, or to the coast
[17:18] < A-Tui> but if you want real typical spanish, with spanish traditions, go here :)
[17:18] < praenti> ok. this is more what i want
[17:19] < A-Tui> ok, i live in a very small region, so here we are a bit provincials
[17:20] < praenti> what i want on a holidays is to know the traditions the people and how they are living. and not what most german tourists want the sun on the beach
[17:20] < A-Tui> praenti: great, then don't go to the typical "Ibiza" or "Marbella"
[17:21] < praenti> A-Tui: i know that. although i live in a city it is more like a village here. it has a real provincial touch here
[17:21] < A-Tui> f.e. my city it's a very cold one, here Spanish's sun it's not true
[17:22] < praenti> A-Tui: so best time in august or september?
[17:22] < A-Tui> august it's the hotest
[17:22] < praenti> how much?
[17:22] < A-Tui> in semptember, colds return again
[17:22] < A-Tui> mmmm 24 ºC
[17:23] < Mike1> A-Tui: you call 24 ºC hot???
[17:23]   Mike1 laughts...
[17:23] < A-Tui> Mike1: :)
[17:23]   praenti laugts too
[17:23] < A-Tui> Mike1: i don't like hot :)
[17:23] < A-Tui> i like cold
[17:24] < A-Tui> to me more than 18 ºC it's cold
[17:24] < praenti> we have here somtimes 35 °C with very much humidity
[17:24] < praenti> this is hot
[17:24] < A-Tui> s/cold/hot
[17:24]   Mike1 imagines A-Tui in the pacific coast of cr 38 ºC
[17:24] < A-Tui> Mike1: i would dead there!
[17:25] < Mike1> A-Tui: me too, thats why i never go :)
[17:25] < A-Tui> Mike1: :)
[17:25] < praenti> i was in Rome a few years ago and we had there about 40 °C one day. but this felt more comfortable than the 35 °C here
[17:26] < Mike1> praenti: perhaps it was windy
[17:26] < praenti> Mike1: no but dry
[17:26] < A-Tui> pacific coast, i imagined that, but german ... i thought that have a cold weather
[17:26] < Mike1> ah thats why
[17:28] < praenti> A-Tui: thats the problem. we get here mediterranean air from south over the alps. but the humidity accumulates because of the alps
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[17:28] < A-Tui> praenti: i see
[17:28] < praenti> A-Tui: So whe have here in summer nearly all two days a thunderstorm
[17:29] < Spicerun> hello
[17:29] < A-Tui> here too, thunderstorm in summer are common
[17:29] < praenti> A-Tui: but you are right if we have a week rain. than we have temperatures about 18 °C in july and august
[17:29] < A-Tui> i like it :) they are very fresh
[17:30] < A-Tui> in winter, what temperatures you should reach?
[17:30] < praenti> yes. the suprise was i think two years ago. we had a thunderstorm here and the temp falled from humid 39 °C to i thin 15 °C in about an hour
[17:31] < praenti> s/thin/think
[17:31] < A-Tui> yes, that's a big fallen
[17:31] < Spicerun> Hi, can someone tell me when the last update of Rock Linux was, and if there are any problems with a SMP system?  Thanks.
[17:32] < Mike1> Spicerun: no SMP problems here, updates.. well CVS is constantly updated every hour or so..
[17:32] < praenti> after that we had two days a summer gale. on the north i think it was a more bigger gale called "lothar".
[17:33] < A-Tui> praenti: then weather it's agited there
[17:33] < Spicerun> Mike1:  Thanks.  When you say CVS is updated, do you mean that new versions of the various packages are put into CVS as they become available?
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[17:34] < demian> hi
[17:34] < A-Tui> hi demian
[17:34] < Mike1> Spicerun: well several fixes are done, but maybe you are looking for an iso, in which case you will want to check out iso.rocklinux.de
[17:35] < Mike1> hi demian
[17:35] < Spicerun> The reason I am asking is because I am looking for a Red Hat replacement on my main system here, and I'm trying to decide which distro to try.  I want a distro that is almost bleeding edge (I'm not afraid of compiling and configuring)....
[17:35] < praenti> A-Tui: yes. the best thing was two weeks ago. we had temps about 5 °C and some snow falled. and last week temps about 20 to 25 °C
[17:36] < demian> hi praenti , Mike1 , A-Tui
[17:36] < A-Tui> praenti: in winter used to snow, true?
[17:37] < praenti> A-Tui: and because of that a cold has an easy game
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[17:37] < Mike1> demian: when are we going to buy the stuff for your "home" network?
[17:37] < A-Tui> easy game?
[17:37] < praenti> A-Tui: not all winters. this winter we had here 2 weeks snow. but the winter a year ago only a few days
[17:37] < demian> havent talked with guys yet if they have the money
[17:38] < demian> btw, could u get me the price for realtek "cheap" NICs ?
[17:38] < A-Tui> praenti: then similar here, this winter was a very cold one
[17:39] < demian> Mike1: have u tried hurd ? i like the way how they work with the kernel.. ill try to get it and try it
[17:39] < praenti> A-Tui: you only need to forget your jacket or your sweater and you are ill the next days :-(
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[17:39] < A-Tui> praenti: i see
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[17:39] < demian> brb
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[17:40] < praenti> A-Tui: ingolstadt is too low for getting bigger snow falls. a little bit more south from munich they get a lot of snow
[17:40] < A-Tui> here used to snow all winters, and a lot of frozen
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[17:41] < demian> re
[17:42] < praenti> A-Tui: here also a lot of frozen. and in spring a very soft ground (dont know how i should call that)
[17:42] < A-Tui> mmm i don't know too, but i understand you
[17:42] < praenti> cool. e17 compiled ;-)))
[17:43] < demian> which imlib2 version was in compiled with ?
[17:43] < demian> @ praenti
[17:44] < A-Tui> well, guys i'm going to buy, cu later!
[17:44] < praenti> Mike1: btw. should i come over in septembre
[17:44] < praenti> cu A-Tui
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[17:45] < Mike1> praenti: yes sure
[17:45] < Mike1> praenti: rxr will be around in august maybe you want to try to arrive in august?
[17:45] < Mike1> praenti: is your trip sure?
[17:47] < Mike1> praenti: september its low season so prices to go anywhere will be very afortable, and weather wil be nice.
[17:47] < praenti> Mike1: could get a little bit difficult. i have a job till end of august. perhaps i can the last week of august
[17:47] < Mike1> praenti: no worries september will be fine as well.
[17:47] < demian> gonna have a fast sight at rock devels gallery.. time without see it
[17:49] < Mike1> demian: looking for your pic? :)
[17:49] < demian> i found 5 new guys.. :))
[17:49] < demian> wtf :p
[17:50] < demian> miguel, so could u get the price for those realtek NICs ? my distributor dunt play with that NICs, only dlink, cnet and powernet
[17:50] < Mike1> demian: i got a pricelist right here mom
[17:52] < Mike1> demian: found an encore for $7
[17:52] < Mike1> demian: also a switch for $29.50
[17:52] < Mike1> demian: you can get a nice us robotics for NIC for $19
[17:52] < demian> I.V.I ?
[17:53] < praenti> ok. i must leave now
[17:53] < praenti> i have to plan a linux day here in our city
[17:53] < Mike1> praenti: ok, we will kepp touch aight?
[17:53] < jhidalgo> demian: realtek for $3 @umc !
[17:53] < Mike1> demian: no + ivi
[17:53] < Mike1> -i
[17:54] < Mike1> jhidalgo: nice.
[17:54] < demian> jhidalgo: :))
[17:54] < jhidalgo> yep, but I don't have the phone!, call 113 and ask about umc in san pedro!
[17:55] < demian> ok.
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[17:57] < Mike1> capy you killed jhidalgo!?!
[17:57] < rolla> ./scripts/Create-Links: line 51: ln: command not found
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[18:05] < Mike1> wb jhidalgo
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[18:10]   Mike1 listening to limp bizkit - n00kie :)
[18:10] < demian> hi n00kie
[18:12] < n00kie> Holla Mike1 and demian :)
[18:12] < Mike1> hola n00kie
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[18:25] < naimed> cya
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[18:30] < snyke> esden?
[18:30] < snyke> locate esden
[18:30] < snyke> ping esden
[18:31] < daja77> re
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[18:31] < Mike1> hallo snyke :)
[18:32] < snyke> hallo :)
[18:32] < Mike1> Wie gehts?
[18:33] < n00kie> Mike1: Como es usted?
[18:33] < daja77> hey n00kie
[18:33] < Mike1> n00kie: estoy muy bien gracias y usted?
[18:33] < esden> snyke: ?
[18:33] < n00kie> hiho daja77 :)
[18:33] < n00kie> Mike1: I guess, you ask me too :), i'm fine too
[18:34] < snyke> esden!
[18:34] < snyke> query
[18:34] < Mike1> n00kie: yeah :)
[18:35] < daja77> hey Mike1
[18:36] < Mike1> daja77: finally here
[18:36] < snyke> eeeeeeeeee~eeesden
[18:36] < snyke> *wines*
[18:36] < daja77> Mike1: define finally
[18:37] < daja77> snyke: grab this handkerchief from me
[18:37] < Mike1> daja77: /me was waiting for daja77
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[18:37] < daja77> Mike1: why?
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[18:37] < Mike1> daja77: was wondering on rtai :)
[18:37]   jhidalgo will get in and out until he is OP of this channel!
[18:38] < daja77> Mike1: it rests at work :)
[18:38] < daja77> jhidalgo: go on with drinking and leave us alone
[18:38] < snyke> daja77: thank you!
[18:38] < daja77> snyke: np
[18:39]   daja77 was on vacation
[18:39] < n00kie> Mike1: Hehe, I'm still learning spanish
[18:39] < n00kie> Wanna be as good as you :)
[18:39] < daja77> n00kie: at school?
[18:39] < Mike1> n00kie: hehe :)
[18:40] < jhidalgo> ups, /me was joking!
[18:41] < daja77> jhidalgo: :)
[18:41] < Mike1> daja77, jhidalgo damn drunks!
[18:41] < Mike1> :)
[18:41] < n00kie> daja77: No, at home, just for fun :)
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[18:44] < daja77> Mike1: how was hacking over easter?
[18:45] < Mike1> daja77: i have not done any hacking in 7 days
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[18:46] < rolla> re
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[18:46]   jhidalgo didn't get drunk since friday!
[18:47] < Mike1> jhidalgo: in 48 hours i will have 2 days of not drinking.
[18:48] < Mike1> daja77: how was ur hacking?
[18:48] < Mike1> wb rolla :)
[18:49] < daja77> Mike1: I was on vacation, no computers, no hacking, no internet, and it was fun
[18:49] < daja77> re rolla :)
[18:49] < jhidalgo> Mike1: that deserves to feast!, let's go to amargura street today!
[18:49] < daja77> Mike1: how come, you told me about hacking over easter
[18:49] < Mike1> jhidalgo: you are evil! getting on monday..
[18:50] < Mike1> daja77: last time we spoke about hacking was on tuesday, i took the stuff for hacking at home but didn't do anything
[18:50] < Mike1> jhidalgo: getting drunk on monday is evil
[18:50] < daja77> Mike1: had you some fun at least
[18:51] < Mike1> daja77: sleeped like crazy, and spend time with Rebeca on the weekend
[18:52] < daja77> Mike1: sleep can be healthy
[18:52] < Mike1> daja77: sure for mortals like me.
[18:52] < jhidalgo> Mike1 ^ daja77: what u call hacking ?, reaserch ?, or really hack servers ?
[18:52] < Mike1> jhidalgo: coding.
[18:52] < daja77> Mike1: do we really had our last talk on tuesday?
[18:53] < Mike1> daja77: tuesday or wednesday don't remeber
[18:53] < daja77> the time went by so fast...
[18:53] < Mike1> daja77: sure, you have got really old in this days ... :PP
[18:54] < daja77> hehe, and you not of course, sleeper :P
[18:55] < Mike1> :))
[18:56] < Mike1> jhidalgo: hacking means a lot more than security stuff.
[18:57] < daja77> yeah sometimes it means to produce as much crap code as you can
[18:58] < jhidalgo> that's what I call research!
[18:58] < daja77> hehe, yes sometimes this called research btdt
[18:59] < daja77> sometimes this is called producing high quality commercial software
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[19:04] < daja77> hey capchaos, wb
[19:04] < capchaos> hey daja
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[19:11] < jhidalgo> what is that `dotmatrix lc display' output ?, in the instalation process ?
[19:14] < tfing> if u have an external lcd display
[19:15] < tfing> it can display information about the process
[19:17] < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
[19:18] < _NULL> wb blindy
[19:18] < blindcoder> re nully
[19:24] < Mike1> _PING_ rolla
[19:33] < _NULL> don't be so impatient, Mike1
[19:34] < Mike1> mind your own business.
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[19:46] < dzafez> hi
[19:50] < jhidalgo> I need a list with rock mirrors!
[19:51] < dzafez> I know I asked this before, but maybe someone can tell me now
[19:51] < dzafez> I need a smal console ROCK .iso to be used to build my own ROCK
[19:52] < dzafez> I don't want to install a full system with X ... just for compiling
[19:52] < dzafez> other Distributions seem to be not up to date (devfs...)
[19:53] < Mike1> jhidalgo: https://www.rocklinux.org/mirrors.html
[19:53] < dzafez> Why isn't there a compiling subdistribution?
[19:55] < Mike1> dzafez: you can easily do a manual small system to build
[19:56] < dzafez> from what?
[19:56] < Mike1> just remove everything you don't want / need from package/* in the source
[19:56] < Mike1> then build it
[19:56] < dzafez> I need some sysem to build it on
[19:56] < Mike1> mm...
[19:56] < Mike1> i could build such small system for you but would take 1 or 2 days
[19:57] < jhidalgo> Mike1: how do a give mirrors to the scripts/Check ?
[19:57] < Mike1> jhidalgo:  i don't understand your question
[19:57] < dzafez> Well, I think there will be many people having this kind of problem in the future
[19:58] < Mike1> dzafez: i'm no longer contributing actively to rock linux, but perhaps i can make some kind of target for this porpouse
[19:59] < dzafez> Mike1: That would be great. I think the core developers would find some free place on the server for this
[20:00] < dzafez> Elseway I would make it available
[20:00] < dzafez> but I have to find something to begin with
[20:01] < Mike1> dzafez: i can do it create the target today, and the build should take some 24 or so hours
[20:02] < Mike1> i would have to send a patch and see if the target gets accepted but anyways i will let you have the iso first iso of this.
[20:02] < Mike1> no matter if it is accepted or not.
[20:02] < dzafez> does it really take 1 or two days to make a such a small .iso? *NotPushingJustCurious*
[20:03] < Mike1> dzafez: the build process takes sometime, and i am my box here is corrently a bit overloaded so it will take up to 24 hours
[20:03] < Mike1> if we are lucky it can be less.
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[21:54] < rxr> re
[21:54] < daja77> re rxr
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[22:19] < Mike1> re
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[22:21] < kasc> moin
[22:22] < daja77> moin kasc
[22:22] < kasc> na, war der Osterhase auch schön fleißig? *g*
[22:22] < daja77> depends
[22:23] < kasc> sounds like a 'no'
[22:24] < daja77> no, I'm quite happy with it
[22:24] < kasc> why then 'depends'?
[22:25] < daja77> well it isn't that I got a lot of presents as your question indicates, I got holiday, this was very nice
[22:26] < kasc> hehe
[22:27] < daja77> holidays paid by my parents *g*
[22:36] < rolla> yeah I am going to get a 40G drive for that machine to do rock builds on it
[22:36] < daja77> rolla: great
[22:37] < rolla> yup
[22:37] < rolla> I got a amd K6-2 700 for free
[22:37] < rolla>                rock builds on it
[22:37] < daja77> rolla: so you need 4 days for building...
[22:37] < rolla> true
[22:37] < rolla> but it is a spare machine
[22:38] < rolla> does not tie up my main server :)
[22:38] < daja77> hehe ;)
[22:39] < rolla> daja77: but it had more ram than my PIIII
[22:39] < rxr> how about this during ROCK Linux startup:
[22:39] < rxr> Autodetecting kernel modules ...
[22:39] < rxr> Device "Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS7012 PCI Audio Accelerator"
[22:39] < rxr>   snd-intel8x0 snd-pcm-oss snd-seq-oss snd-mixer-oss
[22:39] < rxr> Device "IC Ensemble Inc ICE1712 [Envy24]"
[22:39] < rxr>   snd-ice1712 snd-pcm-oss snd-seq-oss snd-mixer-oss
[22:39] < rxr> Device "Trident Microsystems 4DWave NX"
[22:39] < rxr>   snd-trident snd-pcm-oss snd-seq-oss snd-mixer-oss
[22:39] < rxr> Device "Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture"
[22:39] < rxr>   bttv
[22:39] < rolla> I ment PIII
[22:39] < rxr> Device "Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture"
[22:39] < daja77> rxr: ??
[22:39] < rxr> dynamic hwarware auto detection ;-)
[22:40] < daja77> cool, so kiosk target is on the way?
[22:40] < rxr> no I'm not at the live target ...
[22:41] < rxr> but we need auto detection for the normal targets, too (IMHO)
[22:41] < daja77> ack
[22:41] < rxr> currently you can do the auto detection in the stone script
[22:41] < rxr> but I'm just adding code to do this dynamically on each boot (I do not like static state data ...)
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[22:41] < A-Tui> hi
[22:42] < rxr> imagine harware changes - and it is also easier to use ...
[22:44] < daja77> and it sucks sometimes (experience from kudzu)
[22:47] < rxr> daja77: ACK
[22:47] < rxr> this is why we go the keep it simple route ...
[22:47] < rxr> and I commented against kadzu on the ML ...
[22:48] < rxr> daja77: our hardware detectin is pretty simple - maybe this makes it work nicer ;-)
[22:48] < daja77> I'd appreciate it very much
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[22:54] < jose> clifford.homedns.org is responding ?
[22:54] -!- jose is now known as jhidalgo
[22:56] < rxr> jhidalgo: yes
[23:03] < jhidalgo> then is my motherf.... isa server buging me!
[23:09] < rxr> jhidalgo: jm ?
[23:09] < rxr> err hm ?!? ;-)
[23:10] < Mike1> :))
[23:10] < esden> argh ... I need a faster machine !!!!!
[23:11] < daja77> esden: we all need one ;)
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[23:13] < rxr> daja77: no - I need at least two ;-)
[23:14] < daja77> rxr: ok I should have better said, at least one...
[23:14] < esden> why the heck is the bootdisk target building glibc with localisation in stage 5?
[23:14] < esden> can anyone give me a reason for that?
[23:19] < esden> hmm clifford.homedns.org is not responding here ...
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[23:25] < rxr> root:/home/rene/develop/rock/rock-src-1.7-rxr# ping clifford.homedns.org
[23:25] < rxr> PING clifford.homedns.org (62.46.0.51): 56 octets data
[23:25] < rxr> 64 octets from 62.46.0.51: icmp_seq=0 ttl=244 time=70.8 ms
[23:25] < rxr> esden: no idea about gcc ...
[23:27] < esden> I said glibc not gcc ;-)
[23:30] < daja77> gn8 you all
[23:30] < Mike1> n8 daja77
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[23:33] < jhidalgo> rxr: sorry!, where you asking me something ?
[23:34] < rxr> jhidalgo: only why you have probs with the server ... - works here
[23:35] < Mike1> [mike@nemesis mike]$ ping clifford.homedns.org
[23:35] < Mike1> PING clifford.homedns.org (62.46.0.51) from 10.1.1.23 : 56(84) bytes of data.
[23:35] < Mike1> 64 bytes from M082P019.dipool.highway.telekom.at (62.46.0.51): icmp_seq=1 ttl=235 time=2282 ms
[23:36] < Mike1> rxr, jhidalgo it works here too, and i am also in CR, so i guess its LAN problem or so.
[23:36] < jhidalgo> Mike1: yes it is!, i said so!, is my isa server!, hey if somebody is using bitchx like me: https://www.securityfocus.com/bid/7333
[23:37] < Mike1> jhidalgo: hehe remove that damn isa..
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[23:45] < jhidalgo> Mike1: i can't, thats company policy!
[23:46] < jhidalgo> as a matter of fact, if they need to choose between /me and the isa, ... the isa stays! ;(
[23:46] < Mike1> jhidalgo: become sysadmin and show then you can make something better
[23:47] < jhidalgo> sysadmin...., i can't say that i don't like that, but I prefer to be the PM :P
[23:48] < Mike1> :P
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-!- Irrsi  Log closed Tue Apr 22 00:00:43 2003