--- Log opened Wed Apr 23 00:00:00 2003
--- Day changed Wed Apr 23 2003
00:06 < esden> re hi all
00:07 < kasc> hi esden
00:08 < Mike1> re esden
00:11 * -> esden is always forgetting to attach his patches to emails ... >_<
00:11 < Mike1> hehe
00:11 * -> esden needs some brain surgery or so
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00:13 < Mike1> looks like she is yet acting like a 5 year old kid...
00:13 < esden> hehe
00:22 < Mike1> while [ 1 = 1 ] ; do
00:22 < Mike1>   last | write $1
00:22 < Mike1> done
00:22 < Mike1> argg wrong window sorry..
00:22 < esden> hmm ... tv sux so badly!
00:22 < Mike1> esden: get a dvd :)
00:23 < esden> yea ... not a bad idea ... but not now ... it is too late
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00:25 < Mike1> que mas jhidalgo
00:25 < jhidalgo> Mike1: I was going to your office one hour ago!!
00:26 < Mike1> why didn't you come?
00:26 < jhidalgo> Mike1: but, as you can see.....
00:26 < jhidalgo> Mike1: cause I could not find 2 cd's, just one!
00:26 < Mike1> what do you need 2 cds for?
00:26 < jhidalgo> I want rock and the oreilly staff! :>
00:27 < Mike1> stuff*
00:27 < Mike1> :)
00:27 < Mike1> jhidalgo: well buy one more cd somewhere
00:27 < Mike1> i'll stay late
00:29 < jhidalgo> Mike1: thats part of the problem!,..., I got here in my work at 3:30pm :->
00:29 < Mike1> ouch!
00:29 < Mike1> so when do you get out?
00:30 < jhidalgo> Mike1: I did wake up at 8:30, but I just needed to go to cartago!
00:31 < Mike1> mm.. so how long do you have to stay in ur office?
00:34 < jhidalgo> 40hours/week
00:34 < Mike1> i mean today..
00:35 < jhidalgo> dont really need to come!, I can work 20 monday, 20 friday and that's it!, but I'm somebody who likes what he does!
00:35 < Mike1> ok.
00:36 < jhidalgo> and to chat with #rocklinux people! :P
00:37 < jhidalgo> when is released rock 1.7 stable ?
00:38 < Mike1> jhidalgo: actually 1.7 is the development tree, stable will be called 2.0
00:38 < Mike1> jhidalgo: spect it in 4 weeks or so.
00:39 < jhidalgo> Mike1: are we along in this channel?, the rest of the people are not actually people, are they quiet botz ?
00:39 < Caspar> ha ! my rocklinux rescue cd boots !
00:39 < Mike1> jhidalgo: most of the people here are in germans or so, so they are in bed
00:39 * Caspar happy ;)
00:40 < Mike1> Caspar: nice, congrats :)
00:40 < Mike1> jhidalgo: and there you have a probe that they are not bots :)
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00:41 < Mike1> too much happiness i guess ..
00:41 < Mike1> :)
00:43 < jhidalgo> jaja!
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00:44 < Caspar_> sorry - battery empty :(
00:56 * -> esden is not in bed!!!!
00:57 * -> esden jumps around
00:57 < Mike1> wee! happy esdy?
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00:57 < esden> no not really ... but I wanted to show that I still exist ;-)
00:57 < Mike1> cool, so wtf are you doing up this late my friend?
00:58 < esden> making the world an unpleasant and dangerous place to be ;-)
00:58 < Mike1> lol
00:59 < esden> aaaargh ... because of my stupidity clifford has not applied my dietlibc/netcat patch >_<
00:59 < esden> *cry* !!!
00:59 < Mike1> why ? what happened?
00:59 < esden> I forgot to attatch the patch to the mail I sent him
00:59 < esden> but I think the reason was that I drunk a beer short before I sent the mail
01:00 < Mike1> ...
01:00 < esden> ???
01:00 < esden> Mike1: can you beam me up to you ... I want to see some sun
01:00 < Mike1> nothing :)
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01:01 < Mike1> esden: beam you up?
01:01 < esden> re Caspar 
01:01 < Mike1> don't understand that expression
01:01 < esden> yes "beam me up scotty"
01:01 < Caspar> re esden
01:01 < esden> Mike1: watch startrek ...
01:02 < esden> or you do not have it over there in cr?
01:02 < Mike1> hehe too busy for that :)
01:02 < ringo78> teleportation my friend its very common.
01:02 < Mike1> esden: we do have it..
01:02 < Caspar> esden: which channel ?
01:02 < Mike1> esden: just get over here, but its dark today
01:02 < esden> Caspar: your harddisk? ;-)
01:03 < ringo78> 6pre3)
01:03 < A-Tui> what shows an lilo error L99?
01:03 < ringo78> sri
01:04 < Mike1> hi ringo78 :)
01:04 < Caspar> esden: no my power supply for my laptop has an broken wire :(
01:04 < Caspar> but i'm happy - cause my roclinux rescue live cd works ;)
01:04 < esden> so you stuck your finger in your ethernet connection and are chatting that way?
01:04 < ringo78> hi Mike1 going to sleep ... Just wanted to say hai.
01:05 < esden> ringo78: hi ;-)
01:05 < Mike1> okis gutte nacht ringo78
01:05 * -> esden is not Mike1 but still ... ;-)
01:05 < Caspar> :) no - i've got an gummiringerl ;)
01:05 < Mike1> esden: ?
01:05 < esden> Caspar: muahaha
01:06 < esden> FLCL rulez!
01:06 * -> esden headbanging
01:06 < ringo78> thanks all cu later. first erad something about tcpip and then zzzzzzzzzzz
01:09 < esden> good night ringo78 
01:16 < jhidalgo> erad is the german work for read ? or is a typo ?
01:18 < Mike1> jhidalgo: typo.
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01:20 < esden> woo ... etcher started !!! ;-) nice
01:24 < esden> hmm ... is enlightenment missing in rock? ... or am I blind?
01:25 < tfing> 0.16.5 is missing
01:25 < Mike1> esden: nah you are not blind, just drunk..
01:33 < esden> no I am not drunk ...
01:33 < esden> i was swimming and burned all the alk I had in my blood
01:44 < esden> ahh ... I was blind
01:44 < esden> enlightenment is there
01:44 < esden> but the packet is called "e"
01:45 < tfing> esden: isn't it e0.17 ?
01:45 < esden> that is surely a nice name ... but I could not find it
01:45 < esden> it is e17
01:45 < esden> ok ... /me restarting x to test e
01:45 * -> esden brb
01:51 < esden> ok ... it is not starting
01:51 < esden> efsd has problems
01:52 < esden> ok ... then I continue looking in to evas ;-)
01:54 < tfing> esden: you have fam installed ?
01:55 < esden> yes I have
01:55 < esden> but it says that efsd can not open a socket
01:55 < esden> but I do not know what a socket
02:00 < esden> urgh ... it seems that I have to update my glibc ... sigh
02:01 < esden> ok ... rebuilding efsd for my machine ...
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02:18 < Duncan^> hola
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02:43 < esden> autsch ... that did hurt
02:43 < esden> I think I should not talk so much
02:44 < A-Tui> my system is alive again! :)
02:45 < esden> congrats A-Tui 
02:45 < esden> nice comment from #e (the enlightenment channel)
02:45 < A-Tui> what comment?
02:45 < esden> [02:40] < euclid-iBook> esden: you can't see it? Doesn't everyone love spending all of their time compiling things on a system that marginally works?
02:46 < A-Tui> :)
02:46 < esden> only answer to that ... that is why it is not for everyone ...
02:46 < esden> but he is in some way right ... that is what motivates me the most to invest even more time in rocklinux
02:47 < A-Tui> which wm do you use?
02:47 < esden> so that it is really working ...
02:47 < esden> fluxbox
02:47 < A-Tui> ok
02:47 < esden> why?
02:47 < A-Tui> i had never try it
02:47 < A-Tui> WMaker
02:47 < esden> ahh WMaker is nice
02:48 < esden> but I have tryed fluxbox after I used WMaker for a long time
02:48 < A-Tui> yes, and its very ligh
02:48 < Mike1> *yawn*
02:48 < esden> and still use it
02:48 < esden> Mike1: good night ;-)
02:48 < A-Tui> i will try fluxbox, i'm going to look for screenshots
02:48 < Mike1> esden: you leaving?
02:48 < esden> I wanted to check on e17 ... but there is some init bug ...
02:49 < esden> no ... you are getting asleep Mike1 ;-)
02:49 < A-Tui> :)
02:49 < Mike1> yeah i am tired, its been a way busy day
02:49 < esden> I dared to ask in #e ... but got killed right away
02:50 < esden> I really love that rocklinux does not have so many users
02:50 < esden> that must be terrible
02:50 < Mike1> esden: how do you mean?
02:50 < A-Tui> esden: why?
02:50 < A-Tui> more users more work done, true?
02:51 < esden> because we then would need a bot generating a automatic answer like they have in #e:
02:51 < esden> [02:35] < Bacon> 'e17
02:51 < A-Tui> :)
02:51 < esden> [02:35] < e-bawt> If you cannot get e17 to work on your own, don't use it.  If you have to ask questions about it, don't use it.  It will be released when it's ready.  It will be ready when it's released.  There is no time estimate, so don't ask for one.  It is for developers only.
02:51 < Mike1> who needs a bot to answer questions? we have esden
02:52 < esden> hahaha
02:52 < esden> I felt pretty shot down by that answer
02:52 < esden> and then making rock bad ...
02:52 < Mike1> for sure
02:52 < esden> I really considered to contribute to e17 ... to get it forward
02:53 < esden> but when they kill me right away ... *headshake* ... I really have to consider it once more
02:53 < esden> but I have to say ... that I somehow understand them
02:53 < esden> there must be many idiots coming by
02:53 < A-Tui> fluxbox seems nice, it's very similar to WM
02:54 < esden> A-Tui: in some way yes ... but it is still having some problems
02:54 < A-Tui> serius?
02:54 < esden> like the tabbing has problems with terminal sizes
02:55 < esden> you will see when you use it ... but that stuff is not very importaint ... and not going very much on the nerves
02:55 < Mike1> mpet :)
02:55 < A-Tui> aha, i'm trying to test GNUStep enveiroment
02:57 < A-Tui> well, now that i have "eskarina" running again, i think i can with stage 9 of ROCK :)
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03:02 < jhidalgo> sorry guys!, this bitch     x
03:02 < esden> use irssi ;-)
03:04 < jhidalgo> hm.... i'm not in rock right now and ..... : E: Package irssi has no installation candidate
03:05 < Mike1> jhidalgo: huh? just get the src tarball and install it yourself
03:06 < jhidalgo> Mike1: in debian!?, nop sir!, I better stay still!
03:06 < A-Tui> i hate debian deps
03:06 < Mike1> jhidalgo: apt-get install irssi
03:07 < A-Tui> i try now to install modutils and it says me that he must remove about 10 packs
03:07 < jhidalgo> yep, I did that!
03:07 < Mike1> A-Tui: use rock..
03:07 < esden> hmm ... rasta is online ... let me see what he will say to that problem ... or burn me too ... :-/
03:07 < jhidalgo> A-Tui: which ones ?
03:07 < Mike1> jhidalgo: so whats ur prob?
03:08 < A-Tui> Mike1: it's my old system
03:08 < jhidalgo> prob ?
03:08 < A-Tui>  alien apt-build binutils debhelper debmake devscripts dpkg-dev g++ g++-2.95
03:08 < A-Tui>   g++-3.2 gcc gcc-2.95 gcc-3.2 kernel-source-2.2.19 libstdc++2.10-dev
03:08 < A-Tui> and some more
03:08 < Mike1> A-Tui: a "Minimal Target" iso will be available soon, guess i can share it with ya..
03:09 < A-Tui> Mike1: it would be nice
03:09 < A-Tui> :)
03:09 < Mike1> A-Tui: it will take a day or 2
03:09 < A-Tui> i dont know when will be ready my built
03:09 < A-Tui> Mike1: perfect :)
03:09 < Mike1> A-Tui: its slow cause its been run on a k6-3
03:10 < A-Tui> aha, i'm no hurry :)
03:10 < Mike1> my fast boxes are running builds of commercial stuff, so i cannot share those with ya sorry.
03:10 < A-Tui> Mike1: don't care, i understand that stuffs
03:10 < jhidalgo> Mike1: yesterday I try to follow the process for building rock, but there where so many files missing that....
03:11 < jhidalgo> Mike1: 1.5
03:11 < Mike1> jhidalgo: i told you not to work with the extensions.
03:11 < A-Tui> i'm hating debian each day more
03:11 < Mike1> jhidalgo: just use a mirror to fetch the 1.5 packages
03:12 < jhidalgo> Mike1: hm.... do you want me to try now ?
03:12 < Mike1> jhidalgo: you can try anytime you want :)
03:14 < jhidalgo> Mike1: ok, which one is the mirror with all the files i need ?
03:15 < Mike1> some files were updated, so first use the master mirror, and what isn't found will can be downloaded from the original locations
03:17 < jhidalgo> Mike1: original locations ?, hm... don't you have some server with the files that you need ? why ?
03:17 < jhidalgo> that's kind of lfs !
03:18 < Mike1> jhidalgo: 1.5 is no longer maintained
03:18 < Mike1> cu tomorrow
03:19 < jhidalgo> cu Mike1
03:19 < A-Tui> buenas noches Mike1
03:21 < jhidalgo> 1.5 is no longer maintained...., but 600Mb ... I don't like that thinking !, is like rock 1.5 never existed?
03:21 < esden> ok ... so with rasta you can talk
03:21 < esden> that is a nice guy
03:21 < esden> and his stuff is amazing
03:23 < jhidalgo> if 1.5 is incomplete and 1.7 is not ready, can I install rock now ?
03:26 < esden> yes ... you can ... 1.7 is pretty usable now ... but you will invest some time in it nonetheless
03:27 < esden> jhidalgo: the best you can do is cvs checkout 1.7 ... and try to compile it ... and create an iso
03:27 < esden> we will help you when you have problems
03:28 < esden> and that will help to fix bugs ;-)
03:28 < jhidalgo> why the iso ?
03:29 < esden> because that is the normal way to install rock ... compile it create an iso, burn it, boot from it and install rock
03:29 < esden> we still have no gentoo like install system because the manpower is missing to create such thing
03:30 < esden> you could also get a ready compiled iso from iso.rocklinux.de
03:30 < esden> IIRC there is a drock prerelease cd laying around
03:30 < jhidalgo> hm..., the truth is that I'm waiting for 1.7 become stable, and then usit! :P, but if say that it is by now !
03:31 < esden> for stable you have to wait some months
03:36 < jhidalgo> ok, see you guys! :P
03:37 < esden> see you jhidalgo ...
03:57 < jhidalgo> hey guys, want to see my personal lab: https://www.scd.ucar.edu/nets/docs/reports/trips/2000/level3/level3-2/mvc-001f.jpg
04:00 < jhidalgo> comments ?
04:11 < A-Tui> Tons of wire :)
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04:18 < A-Tui> bye bye #rock, cu tomorrow
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05:03 < esden> amazing ... that libs really rule
05:03 < esden> ok ... I go to bed
05:03 < esden> good night everyone
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06:35 < blindcoder> moin
06:35 < cuntface> moin moin
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07:12 < kasc> moin
07:19 < blindcoder> moin kasc
07:25 < kasc> moin blindcoder
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07:54 < rxr> re
09:13 < blindcoder> what type of Processors are Xeons?
09:13 < blindcoder> ie: what do I have to select in the kernel?
09:33 < rxr> xeons are pentium-III and/or pentium-IV
09:33 < rxr> isn't the xeon listed there ?
09:33 < rxr> hm ah I remember they are pentium-III with fat level-II cache (mainly)
09:34 < blindcoder> hmm... okay, I'll give it a try. Thanks
09:35 < blindcoder> rxr: do you know of any memory problems around kernel 2.4.9?
09:35 < rxr> memory ?
09:36 < rxr> you mean ram-access ?
09:36 < blindcoder> not access, but usage
09:36 < blindcoder> I have a 4GB RAM Machine here which constantly uses 1 GB for caches
09:37 < rxr> hm - no this is mostly a hardware / BIOS issue
09:37 < rxr> ah - you mean utilization - not ramdom bit errors ;-)
09:37 < blindcoder> yes :)
09:37 < rxr> the VM (Virtual Memory) subsystem changed quite a lot - I would update ...
09:38 < rxr> but it is also likely that 1GB filesystem cache is what gives most performance on your box
09:38 < blindcoder> hmm... okay... I have to bang that into my customers brain somehow...
09:38 < rxr> what apps are running on it
09:38 < rxr> ?
09:38 < blindcoder> several tomcats under heavy load
09:39 < rxr> hm how much ram are the tomcats using? I gues less than some 100 MB ?
09:39 < blindcoder> three instances with about 800 MB each
09:39 < rxr> in this case I guess such a fat (1BG) filesystem cache gives you max performance
09:40 < rxr> why do you think 1GB cache is a problem ?
09:40 < rxr> linux utilizes all unused ram as cache - when an process allocates more ram the fs-cache is freed by this amount
09:41 < blindcoder> hmm...
09:43 < blindcoder> what's in the f-cache? only reads? or are there also writes-to-be?
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13:12 < daja77> hi all
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13:28 < tfing> hi daja77 and blindcoder
13:28 < daja77> hey tfing
13:31 < daja77> tfing: how is life in sweden?
13:32 < tfing> fine, finished that fscking exam of architecture this morning
13:32 < tfing> i'm quite relieved now :)
13:33 < daja77> architecture, what are you studying?
13:34 < tfing> hmmm, i'm doing a master in dependable computer systems
13:34 < daja77> define dependable
13:35 < tfing> fault-tolerant/secure/...
13:35 < daja77> ah ok
13:35 < daja77> it was computer architecture I guess
13:36 < tfing> it's quite general and broad
13:36 < tfing> so i'm doing a bit of security, realtime, fault-tolerant systems, some maths
13:37 < daja77> played around with realtime linux?
13:37 < tfing> nope, i'm not much interested in it in fact :)
13:37 < daja77> so you are interested in?
13:38 < tfing> mostly security
13:38 < daja77> which OS
13:38 < tfing> not at this level :)
13:39 < daja77> theory then?
13:39 < tfing> more about deploying,managing,consulting
13:40 < daja77> *argh*
13:40 < tfing> i'm not a programmer
13:40 < daja77> you are a what?
13:40 < tfing> i don't know what i am :) i just know what i'm not
13:41 < daja77> hehe
13:55 < daja77> *sigh* it seems that I'll write some documentation before developing for rock
14:02 < ringo78> tfing: studied tcpip ?
14:03 < ringo78> tfing: never mind
14:07 < tfing> ringo78: nope ;)
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14:48 < rolla> re
14:48 < daja77> hi rolla
14:54 < rolla> all my 1,7 builds die now
14:55 < daja77> rolla: why?
14:55 < blindcoder> mine just finished
14:56 < rolla> don't know dies in a differant place each time :)
14:57 < daja77> rolla: you said it was a k6, right?
14:57 * blindcoder going home
14:57 < blindcoder> baba
14:57 < daja77> blindcoder: bye
14:58 < Lorini> huhu
14:58 < daja77> hi Lorini :)
15:00 < Lorini> hi daja77 :)
15:00 * Lorini is back again *g*
15:00 < daja77> where have you been?
15:02 < Lorini> in wiesbaden
15:02 < Lorini> visited my mum :)
15:03 < daja77> i c, thought you would be there over the weekend only
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15:04 < daja77> hi Parabull
15:04 < Lorini> hm, we were in wiesbaden until friday, afterwards i was in northeim
15:05 < daja77> northeim? where is it
15:05 < Lorini> aber weißte was das erzähl ich dir auf deutsch im query.. blödes englisch :)
15:09 < rolla> daja77: this is on my P-III Xeon
15:10 < daja77> hmm strange on k6 I would have said broken chipset but this...
15:11 < rolla> ja
15:11 < rolla> I am compiling for k6-3
15:12 < daja77> rolla: does it build without optimsation?
15:14 < rolla> not sure
15:14 < daja77> or say try pentium mmx optimisation, should work for k6 too
15:15 < rolla> I restarted the build
15:15 < esden> good morning
15:15 < daja77> rolla: good luck
15:15 < daja77> esden: hi
15:16 < rolla> thanks
15:17 < daja77> rolla: sorry stupid question, are you using pseudo-cross compiler?
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15:19 < kalii> hi
15:19 < daja77> hi kalii
15:21 < rolla> nein
15:22 < daja77> rolla: building without pseudo-cross compiler will break definitely, ask rene about this
15:26 < rolla> ?
15:27 < daja77> rolla: ok, please use pseudo-cross compiler, otherwise your build will break
15:32 < rolla> why?
15:32 < daja77> dunno, ask rxr about this
15:32 < rolla> okay
15:43 * daja77 hates to work when sun shines on monitor
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16:06 < Mike1> moin
16:06 < daja77> moin Mike1
16:13 < rolla> re Mike1
16:13 < rolla> your build died
16:14 < Mike1> rolla: i know
16:14 < Mike1> rolla: working on it..
16:15 < Mike1> wee!!! finally a good build!
16:15 * Mike1 installing his latest 1.7 iso brb
16:17 < rolla> :)
16:22 < daja77> the sun plays bad tricks on me
16:22 < Mike1> daja77: how come?
16:23 < daja77> shining, not shining, this stuff, I hate it
16:33 < daja77> Mike1: ping
16:33 < Mike1> pong
16:34 < daja77> ah good
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16:44 < esden> hmm
16:44 < esden> ok ... reutter is gone
16:44 < esden> now back to playing with evas
16:44 < Mike1> hi esden
16:44 < esden> hi Mike1 
16:59 < daja77> esden: I hope I finally got you, not easy in this noisy hell
17:19 < n00kie_> Howdy daja77 :)
17:19 < n00kie_> Holla Mike1 :)
17:24 < esden> daja77: ohh ...
17:24 < daja77> n00kie_: hi
17:24 < esden> sorry ... I was playing with evas/ecore toys ;-)
17:24 < daja77> esden: ??
17:24 < esden> yes?
17:25 < daja77> how do get the correct checksum of a package?
17:26 < esden> ./scripts/Create-CkSumPatch ?
17:26 < esden> or set it to 0 then it will be ignored
17:28 < daja77> thx worked
17:28 * daja77 will do his first test
17:31 < esden> good
17:31 < daja77> kicked the first realtime build
17:32 < daja77> hehe first error detected
17:32 < esden> hehe
17:33 < daja77> I like errors which show up instantly and are easy to fix
17:35 < daja77> *aargh* ide is so lame
17:36 < daja77> brb
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17:42 < n00kie_> daja77: Doesn't gets your controller detected?
17:45 < daja77> ahem it is just slow on deleting files
17:49 < daja77> *scratching head* why cp cannot stat a file which is there
17:49 < esden> argh cvs.enlightenment.sourceforge.net has a bad package drop >_<
17:49 < esden> that really sux
17:49 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@dialin-145-254-162-183.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux
17:49 < daja77> esden: got a strange error
17:49 < esden> aha?
17:50 < daja77> well in parse-config-9 I want to cp kernel patch to kernel package dir
17:51 < daja77> when I start Build-Target it says cp: cannot stat file $name, but it is there
17:51 < esden> why do you want to copy it there?
17:52 < esden> what for?
17:53 < daja77> *aargh* I'm blind, typo in path :(
17:53 < daja77> esden: to get the patch applied to kernel
17:53 < esden> but you do not have to copy it !!!!
17:53 < daja77> aha
17:54 < daja77> but?
17:54 < esden> use $patchfiles for that
17:54 < esden> and leave the patch weher it is
17:54 -!- starlord [~starlord@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #rocklinux
17:54 < esden> put in parse-config-9 the following:
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17:55 < esden> if [ "$pkg" -eq "linux24" ] ; then
17:56 < starlord> anyone want to build me a boot iso or boot floppy images that i can write with rawrite, i don't have linux system on my hand i need to get rock installation started?
17:56 < esden> var_append patchfiles " " $base/package/daja/rtai/kernelpatch.patch
17:56 < Mike1> hi starlord
17:56 < starlord> with latest 2.4 kernel, drock boot iso didn't recon my isa eth card
17:56 < starlord> hi Mike1
17:56 < daja77> esden: ok, quick change, will do that
17:56 < esden> starlord: go to iso.rocklinux.de
17:57 < esden> argh ... where is the drock url when I need it
17:57 < esden> starlord: there are 2.0 prerelease iso's around ... use them
17:58 < Mike1> esden: drocklinux.dyndns.org ...
17:58 < starlord> esden,what file to download,i tested already drock boot,all i see is 1.7 in iso.rocklinux as latest
17:59 < esden> starlord: https://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~drock/latest/2.0.0-alpha/
17:59 < Mike1> starlord: why not use kernel vainilla ?
17:59 < daja77> starlord: ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/dRock/unstable/2.0.0-alpha/
17:59 < Mike1> starlord: even maybe you just need to recompile your kernel to get your isa eth working
18:00 < starlord> drock boot iso did have kernel 2.4.18 but it didn't "notice" my isa card and there isn't pnpdump tools to manually add them
18:00 < daja77> yeah isapnp is missing in kernel config as rene stated yesterday
18:00 < daja77> you have to recompile kernel with isapnp support
18:01 < starlord> how? with no linux os around :)
18:01 < esden> hmm ... I can not even add isa cards to my system ... :-)
18:01 -!- dzafez [~dzafez@pD9E0994E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
18:01 < esden> no slots for that ;-)
18:01 < dzafez> pura vida mike1
18:01 < dzafez> hi chan
18:01 < esden> hi dzafez 
18:01 < starlord> i have at work,but i'm on vacation,esden neither has my current pc,my older has 2 slots :)
18:01 < dzafez> hi esden
18:02 < Mike1> hi dzafez! where did you learn that expression?
18:02 < daja77> esden: hehe I bet you have an isa device on your board ;)
18:02 < dzafez> my collegue lived in you nation for about a year
18:03 < daja77> hi dzafez
18:03 < dzafez> hi deja77
18:03 < Mike1> dzafez: hehe pura vida Wolfgang :)
18:03 < esden> daja77: yes ... my gfx card is the only device that is in a isa slot ;-)
18:03 < dzafez> :)
18:03 < starlord> hmm,anyone know working floppy images with isa support(and wget,cvs)
18:03 < daja77> esden: ok this is one free beer for me ;)
18:04 < esden> haha ... yea sure ;-)
18:04 < esden> starlord: I have nothing here
18:04 < Mike1> daja77: he is known to have all kind of hardware...
18:05 < Mike1> dzafez: Wie geht es dir?
18:05 < dzafez> sehr gut danke
18:05 < dzafez> Mike1: Como estas? lol
18:06 < Mike1> dzafez: bien gracias :)
18:07 < dzafez> ok I guess we should start getting back to english
18:07 < Mike1> yeah.
18:08 < starlord> what kernel does drock-2.0.0-alpha_cd1.iso have? or is it even bootable?
18:09 < daja77> 2.4.20, no isa support I fear
18:09 < starlord> dammed :)
18:09 < dzafez> that would interest me as well. For what CPU is that ISO compiled?
18:09 < daja77> rxr where are you
18:09 * starlord is going smoke
18:10 < daja77> esden: the code you gave doesn't work
18:10 < Mike1> dzafez: its that drock stuff is optimized for pentium mmx
18:11 < dzafez> why isn't it optimized for i386 or i586 to work on anyones box
18:11 < daja77> esden: fixed it
18:11 < dzafez> I will never understand
18:12 < daja77> I do
18:12 < Mike1> dzafez: ask rxr, the creator of the isos..
18:12 < dzafez> does the amdk6-2 support pent mmx kernel?
18:12 < Mike1> dzafez: should run
18:12 < dzafez> it is probably 'cause he uses an pent mmx
18:13 < Mike1> dzafez: if i had a k6-2 i would create optimized isos for ya
18:13 < daja77> weee kicked second build of realtime target
18:13 < dzafez> oh isn't it what i call i586 the same as pent mmx?
18:14 < daja77> yes almost
18:14 < daja77> damn glibc
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18:15 < daja77> need some entertainment before I can see my package crash *g*
18:16 < esden> hmm ... is rxr around?
18:16 < esden> rxr: ping?
18:17 < daja77> esden: he is never around when tons of questions regarding his isos hitting the chan ;)
18:17 < esden> ahh ... I have only a question regarding doxygen package
18:18 < esden> he says in his last mail that it is compiling ... >_<
18:18 < daja77> *g*
18:18 < Mike1> esden: it isn't?
18:22 < esden> no ... because install is not working ... and that is because acl has not built
18:22 < esden> and acl is building on rxr system too
18:23 < Mike1> esden: i have a patch to fix acl..
18:23 < esden> ok ... it seems that is a problem on my box ... let me find it out
18:23 < esden> Mike1: aha?
18:23 < Mike1> esden: yeah a dirty thing but it works for me
18:23 < Mike1> want it?
18:24 < esden> argh ... acl needs attr on the host system >_<
18:24 < esden> *sigh*
18:24 < Mike1> esden: yes
18:24 < Mike1> esden: it will look for it in /usr/lib
18:24 * -> esden is near to killing someone
18:25 < Mike1> though attr is been installed in /lib
18:25 * dzafez hopes not to be the one bein killed
18:26 < Mike1> :)
18:26 * daja77 bughunting on my package :(
18:27 < esden> Mike1: *headshake*
18:27 < esden> I hate the stupidity of people writing configure scripts >_<
18:27 < daja77> I hate configure scripts
18:27 < Mike1> esden: well don't blame me...
18:27 < esden> daja77: that too
18:28 < esden> Mike1: I am not blaming you ... or have you written the configure scripts of acl?
18:28 < Mike1> _no_ :)
18:29 < esden> good for you ;-)
18:29 < Mike1> wheu :)
18:30 * -> esden drinking some batida de coco
18:30 < esden> yum yum
18:31 < Mike1> enjoy :)
18:33 < daja77> *sigh*
18:34 < rolla> I will test install it on my laptop
18:35 < Mike1> rolla: ok.
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18:57 < daja77> hmm will the kernel be built on stage 0 ?
19:12 < daja77> *yaen*
19:12 < daja77> *yawn* even
19:14 < Mike1> daja77: 0,1,5 and 9
19:14 < daja77> maybe it was not a good idea to build rtai in stage 0
19:15 < Mike1> rtai do you understand how the stages work?
19:15 < Mike1> daja77: rtai should be build on stage 5 and 9..
19:15 < daja77> no haven't found much info about it
19:16 < Mike1> use 5 and 9 :)
19:16 < daja77> ok
19:18 < daja77> fixed, rekicked build ;)
19:20 < Mike1> you look really happy :)
19:21 < daja77> trying something you have worked on gives you a good feeling
19:21 < daja77> even if I fear that rtai package will break
19:27 < daja77> .oO got visit from security
19:28 -!- jhidalgo [~jose@196.40.45.146] has joined #rocklinux
19:29 < daja77> hi jhidalgo
19:29 < jhidalgo> hi, daja77 && ALL
19:38 * daja77 will go home now, cu
19:39 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
19:39 < daja77> hey A-Tui and bye ;)
19:39 < A-Tui> hi daja77 are you leaving channel?
19:40 < daja77> I'm leaving work and the channel
19:40 < daja77> dunno if i'll return today
19:41 < A-Tui> well here today is holiday
19:41 < A-Tui> :)
19:41 < daja77> lucky bastard
19:41 < A-Tui> :)
19:41 < daja77> bye
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19:41 < A-Tui> it's the comunity day
19:41 < jhidalgo> A-Tui: did you solve your debian problem ?
19:41 < A-Tui> jhidalgo: i think yes
19:42 < A-Tui> my problem origen was have packages from unstable and stable
19:42 < A-Tui> then dpkg have problems with deps
19:42 < jhidalgo> A-Tui: apt-get -y update upgrade clean
19:44 < A-Tui> yes at the moment i will not do an upgrade
19:46 < A-Tui> i'm going now to study some of matemathical logic for class, cu later friend
19:46 * A-Tui is away: Estudiando, que asco.....
19:49 * jhidalgo : sorry for talking about debian here!
20:03 < dzafez> cu later amigos
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20:16 < jhidalgo> somebody knows about seti@home in linux ?, exists ?
20:21 < jhidalgo> yes it does, sorry! :P
20:41 < rxr> re
20:44 < Mike1> hi Ren.
20:58 < rxr> hi Mike1
20:59 < Mike1> rxr: do you have a perl.gem for x86 around? i am not been able to build any and i need one urgently
21:01 < A-Tui> Mike1: i have perl5.gem done yet
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21:01 < Mike1> A-Tui: send it to me please :)
21:01 < A-Tui> ok, by mail true?
21:02 < Mike1> A-Tui: yes
21:02 < A-Tui> ok 5 minutes
21:02 < Mike1> good :)
21:04 < A-Tui> 9 mg in way
21:05 < Mike1> wah!
21:05 < Mike1> thanks
21:05 < A-Tui> de nada :)
21:06 < Mike1> A-Tui: what optimization was it build for?
21:06 < Mike1> built*
21:06 < A-Tui> PII
21:07 < Mike1> good :)
21:07 < A-Tui> i almost have all ROCK 1.7 built
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21:08 < Mike1> A-Tui: congratz
21:08 < rxr> I also have a perl.gem - any interest?
21:08 < demian> hia
21:08 < Mike1> rxr: yes please upload it somewhere for me, just in case A-Tui's doesn't work for me
21:09 < rxr> huh ? just for fun :-(
21:09 < rxr> ok ...
21:10 < Mike1> rxr: no, noyt just for fun... i actually need it for a production system
21:10 < Mike1> rxr: will the first step for upgrading our systems to 1.7
21:10 < blindcoder> ah that's been what I call a good day :)
21:10 < blindcoder> hi all
21:10 < rxr> ftp://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/drock/synchonicity/x86
21:11 < rxr> I'll notice you when the scp finished.
21:11 < rxr> oh - there is a "r" missing
21:13 < Mike1> rxr ok ..
21:13 * Mike1 waiting...
21:14 < Mike1> A-Tui: mail not here yet..
21:15 < A-Tui> mmm let me see if it back to me
21:15 < rxr> Mike1: mine is pentium-mmx potimized btw.
21:16 < rxr> +o
21:16 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M257P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
21:16 < demian> hi n00kie
21:16 < Mike1> rxr: okis.. just let know when its ready
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21:21 < rxr> Mike1: finished
21:22 < rxr> but the directory now has the missing "r" in it:
21:22 < Mike1> rxr yes i noticed, thanks a million
21:22 < rxr> ftp://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/drock/synchronicity/x86
21:22 < rxr> oki
21:23 < rxr> Mike1: could you post when the dl finished - I would like to remove the file again ...
21:23 < Mike1> rxr: sure... downloading...
21:23 < rxr> how fast ?
21:24 < Mike1> 49k
21:24 < Mike1> ETA 02:07
21:24 < rxr> oh - is it limitted on your site?
21:25 < rxr> the server has a 155MBit/s i-net backbone ... ?!?
21:25 < Mike1> rxr: i have 10mb .. no.
21:25 < Mike1> weird!.
21:25 < rxr> hm - maybe temporary trans-atlantic routing slowness ...
21:26 < Mike1> rxr: i guess..
21:27 < Mike1> rxr: done. Thanks a lot
21:27 < rxr> ok - file rm'ed
21:28 < Mike1> mine -i perl5.gem ?
21:28 < rxr> jups
21:28 < Mike1> k..
21:28 < rxr> -v if you wanna see what's going on
21:29 < Mike1> 'mine --help' should be a plus you know...
21:29 < rxr> hm ?
21:29 < rxr> simply execute "mine"
21:29 < rxr>  ;-)
21:29 < A-Tui> Mike1: didn't arrived true?
21:30 < Mike1> rxr: i know but dunno the output should be more friendly..
21:30 < Mike1> rxr: none rockers might need an extra thing you know
21:30 < Mike1> A-Tui: nope.
21:30 < Mike1> rxr: it installed softly thx :)
21:31 < A-Tui> i think there is a problem with Mail server from my ISP :(
21:31 < A-Tui> i have all mails in queue :(
21:31 -!- Lorini_ [~andrea@pD9506BF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #RockLinux
21:31 < Mike1> A-Tui: no sysadmin will ever let you send a 9mb mail i think..
21:31 < rxr> /usr/doc/packages/mine/GEM-MINE
21:31 < A-Tui> Mike1: it could be ...
21:31 < Mike1> hi Lorini_ i that that "_" :P
21:32 < Lorini_> lol
21:32 < Lorini_> hi mike :)
21:32 < A-Tui> well i'm going on study, cu
21:32 < Mike1> have fun Aitor
21:32 < Lorini_> and you are right, i HATE these _
21:32 < Mike1> ______
21:32 < Mike1> :P
21:33 < Mike1> rxr: nice :)
21:33 < Mike1> rxr: thats what i was talking about.. perhaps a note telling that more detailed info can be seen on the file would be fine..
21:34 < Lorini_> ;)
21:35 < rxr> Mike1: ;-)
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21:40 < jhidalgo> ups, I should block the access to amazon!, another today!
21:41 < Mike1> A-Tui: whenever you read this... i got your maila t last
21:41 < jhidalgo> Mike1: I have now: sed&awk, understanding linux kernel and unix network programming if you want to backup them!
21:42 < Mike1> jhidalgo: ?
21:42 < rxr> jhidalgo: I sould like a backup ;-)
21:42 < A-Tui> Mike1: i love my ISP :(
21:43 < Mike1> jhidalgo: anything you share with will be shared with rxr too
21:43 < Mike1> jhidalgo: if its worth it.. of course
21:43 < Mike1> jhidalgo: i don't know if that is part of the oreilly html stuff that rxr and i already have..
21:44 -!- Lorini_ [~andrea@pD9506BF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Angels are bright still, though the brightest fell.")
21:47 < jhidalgo> Mike1 & rxr: I have the books not pdf's, I mean to backup them in SP
21:48 < Mike1> SP?
21:48 < Mike1> Single paper?
21:48 < Mike1> jhidalgo: lets have lunch and talk about it..
21:49 -!- Lorini [~andrea@pD9506BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #RockLinux
21:49 < jhidalgo> SP: san pedro!
21:49 < Mike1> jhidalgo: ah i see
21:49 < Mike1> jhidalgo: where are ur books currently?
21:49 < Mike1> with you or in SP?
21:49 < jhidalgo> Mike1: had lunch! and smoked my cigar!
21:49 < Mike1> jhidalgo: arrgg!
21:50 < jhidalgo> the book, now here yet!
21:50 * Mike1 have been too busy preparing a server so no lunch yet
21:50 < jhidalgo> soon I hope!
21:50 < Mike1> jhidalgo: sure so next week i guess? i bk ur oreilly book, and you get a bk of my Unix Administration tips and tricks ?
21:50 < Mike1> :)
21:52 < jhidalgo> can be!, I don't mean to exchange favors!, if you want my books just ask! :P
21:52 < Mike1> jhidalgo: sure i want it :)
21:53 < jhidalgo> I will tell you when my books arive!
21:53 < Mike1> jhidalgo: ok
21:53 < Mike1> thx
21:53 < Mike1> sorry rxr guess you will get the backup untill you come over here.
21:56 < rxr> a - I have the sed&awk hardcoder here too ;-)
21:59 < rxr> this book is highly recommended for ROCK development ;-)
22:00 < Mike1> rxr: yeah :)
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22:04 < fabian> Hallo
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23:07 < jhidalgo> hm... y hoy a que hora jala ?
23:08 < jhidalgo> ups, sorry, that was for Mike1 !     :P
23:08 < Mike1> *g*
23:16 < A-Tui> i finished teoric part of my practic! :)
23:16 < Mike1> was it fun?
23:16 < A-Tui> well teory not much
23:16 < A-Tui> but now comes the interest part, code :)
23:17 < Mike1> Good.. lang?
23:17 < A-Tui> Modula-2 :(
23:17 < A-Tui> but, it's fun anyway
23:18 < Mike1> yeah.. port it to C :)
23:18 < jhidalgo> blahh!, fun!, enjoy then!
23:18 < A-Tui> yes, i will do it in C and in lisp (first i must learn lisp)
23:19 < A-Tui> i must code recursive algoritms so i think it could be a good time to learn lisp
23:19 < jhidalgo> (learn (language (lisp))) ?
23:19 < A-Tui> :)
23:20 < jhidalgo> A-Tui:  use drscheme !
23:20 < A-Tui> drscheme?
23:20 < A-Tui> i don't know it
23:21 < esden> weee my first evas window!! *jump_around* ;-)
23:22 < jhidalgo> A-Tui: drscheme is for list!, with gui :)
23:23 < jhidalgo> A-Tui: s/list/lisp/
23:23 < A-Tui> aha, then i will try
23:23 < A-Tui> but i must learn lisp from zero, i have no idea about it
23:38 < rxr> esden: playing ?
23:44 < Mike1> great ! Take took away my dual p2 450mhz , but, brought me a dual Athlon MP 1500mhz for me to keep playing with rock..
23:44 * Mike1 jumps around :))
23:46 < A-Tui> bye bye, tomorrow i must work :( end of hollidays.
23:46 < Mike1> A-Tui: n8
23:46 < A-Tui> cu tomorrow
23:46 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("Odio Trabajar")
23:47 < Mike1> lol
23:48 < Mike1> NOTE to anyone who cares: Odio Trabajar = I hate to Work.
23:57 < rxr> esden: I just had a phone talk with cliff ;-)
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