--- Log opened Sat Apr 26 00:00:19 2003
--- Day changed Sat Apr 26 2003
00:00 < rxr> hm a complete checkout (locally without network) takes:
00:00 < rxr> real    1m21.974s
00:00 < tsa> top - 23:59:46 up 15 min,  5 users,  load average: 1.05, 1.08, 0.74
00:00 < tsa> Tasks:  97 total,   1 running,  96 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
00:00 < tsa>  Cpu0 :   0.3% user,   0.7% system,   0.0% nice,  99.0% idle
00:00 < tsa>  Cpu1 :   0.0% user,   0.0% system,   0.0% nice, 100.0% idle
00:00 < tsa> strange
00:00 < tsa> load 1, but both cpus doing nothing..
00:01 < tcr> Hmm
00:01 < tsa> something is _very strange_ here
00:01 < rxr> wow - but an update is very fast:
00:01 < rxr> time svn up
00:01 < rxr> At revision 1.
00:01 < rxr> real    0m3.083s
00:02 < rxr> wow! a svn diff (after I modified some files) takes:
00:02 < rxr> real    0m1.265s
00:03 < rxr> wow impressive - really fast
00:04 < tcr> I fear it could be a harddisk problem...
00:04 < tcr> will run badblocks over the night
00:04 < rxr> tsa: an IBM disk ?
00:04 < tsa> yes, but scsi
00:05 < rxr> err I meant tcr ... ;-)
00:05 < tsa> ah
00:06 < tcr> tsa: ps -eo pid,tt,user,fname,tmout,f,wchan -p <pid of defunc process>
00:07 < tsa> hm...this is long
00:07 < tsa> ..and gives me all processes
00:07 < tsa>  2782 vc/2     root     aspell       - 0 wait_on_buffer
00:08 < tcr> rxr: I'm not quite sure if it's my on scsis or my on IDEs.. There some "qietschende" (hard to desrice the tone it procudes) on the boot up when initializing of the scsis. But the log says something about I/O error on one of my IDE, though I'm running quite a old 2.5 kernel where those error doesn't necceseally mean anything particularly useful
00:14 < tcr> tsa: mom, I can't really type anything... I'm scewring the case of that machine off to look into it
00:14 * tcr brb
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00:28 < tcr> re
00:29 < tcr> Badblocks is running now... couldn't find anything noteable when looking into it
00:29 < tcr> tsa: Solved your problem with the hanged up processes?
00:30 < tsa> yes.
00:30 < tsa> partition was mounted "sync" - looks like sync and bind-mounts are not a good thing to do..
00:32 < tcr> Ok
00:34 < tsa> the amount of data written to disk was not so big that this should have happened, so it's still strange, but at least i found out what to do about it
00:34 < tcr> damn you rxr! Could you get used to write your answers _beyond_ the quoted text, please please please? ;)
00:34 < tsa> ACK ACK ACK!
00:36 < rxr> tsa: tcr: why?
00:37 < tcr> It just so that it takes more time to find what you've actually written... and when trying to read as most mails you received within a period where you had been away, it's really stressfull and a bit annoying. The netiquette isn't there for fun ;)
00:37 < tsa> because it's diffucult to follow a thread if some answers are on top while others are below the quoted text
00:38 < rxr> hm - I find it easier to find short answers when I open the mail - but if there is some guideline ...
00:39 < tcr> https://learn.to/quote ;)
00:39 < tsa> hehe :)
00:41 < tcr> rxr: See that isn't critism on you (if you might feel so now), it's just that I'm often about just skipping your mail, because it's _really_ unconvenient to read those mails...
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00:50 < tcr> hmm
00:50 * rxr doing an svn import via http :-)
00:51 < tcr> 0 bad blocks found on any HD
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00:53 < tcr> rxr: https://arx.fifthvision.net/bin/view/Main/WebHome
00:55 < tcr> I discovered that rcs a while ago and I'm currently using it for a private project. It's much more powerful than svn, much better design minded. Though the implementation in sh/awk is damn slow.
00:55 < rxr> tcr: when arch is till like it was when I last taken a look (half a year ago) it is no choice ...
00:55 < rxr> tcr: have you used it?
00:55 < rxr> ah sorrry
00:56 < rxr> yes - I do not think it is better designed - and I do not want s.th. damn slow ...
00:56 < tcr> It's functionality is awesome
00:56 < tcr> I don't know much about other RCS in detail, but with arch it would be no problem something like the following scenario:
00:57 < tcr> Every repository maintainer is _fully_ responisble for his repository, that means only he can himself accept patches and apply them against their own home development branch. When they have new updated they just tell cliff to merge from them
00:58 < tcr> and arch has got quite a lot merge possiblities...
00:58 * tsa going to bed
00:58 < tsa> cu a..
00:58 < tsa> all
00:59 < tcr> It's something like BK and how it's used in the kernel development. Some maintainer about a specific thing just mails to linus 'please pull from ...'
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00:59 < tcr> that's doable with arch as well
00:59 < tcr> gn8 tsa
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01:01 < tcr> I can't really say anything about the speed, since my dev box is a p200, and on that it's terribly slow. Well, I'm using bash as /bin/sh though, using ash should produce quite an _overall_ speed improvement from about 30%
01:04 < Mike1> PING blindcoder
01:04 < tcr> rxr: See, arch would allow to let everybody use the RCS and not just a privilige of cliff. Though cliff doesn't need to grant anyone write access, because he'll merge from someone (he commits a merge) and nobody will commit anything to him
01:05 < rxr> I found CVS far too slow - and instable. It is obvious that some shell scripts with awk are not going to be faster than a C application ...
01:06 < rxr> and the last time a have taken a look arch used some ftp variant as transport protocol - urgs.
01:06 < tcr> Well, yes that's why I'm put all my hope in barch that's written in C++. I'd contribute, but I'm not yet into C++..
01:07 < rxr> using an existing stable Apache server, existing athoring and delta protocols and databases seems to make more sense.
01:07 < rxr> +u
01:07 < tcr> rxr: Well, it still does, but it's switchable. Sftp and http (over webdav) are currently also supported. But the design is very easy, so it shouldn't be any problem to use anything you want
01:08 < tcr> authoring and delate protocols?
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01:08 < rxr> Webdav - and xdelta
01:08 < tcr> what's xdelta?
01:10 < tcr> Anyway I do not say that arch should be used right now, but you take a look at it and also keep it in mind, so that whenever it will beaten up its currently most deficit (its slowness), you can settle over to
01:10 < tcr> but you should
01:12 < rxr> sure I keep it i mind
01:13 < tcr> Just see the comparasion between svn, cvs and arch
01:13 < rxr> I compared all the RCS a year ago - and have choosen suversion at this time. So now I'll cretae two repositories (ROCK Linux stable tree - and GSMP) and see how it works out under dayly use
01:14 < tcr> the most important criteria are 'Easy Development On Branches' and 'Distributed And Private Repositories'. Exactly these things are what would make the rocklinux development process amazing effective
01:14 < jhidalgo> Mike1: my rock is using 2.4Gb, is that normal, how can i free some space!?
01:15 < Mike1> rock build?
01:16 < Mike1> jhidalgo: if you are building rock you can't free space
01:16 < tcr> jhidalgo: It's normal for linux to make constanly use of all memory though it isn't really in use (mostly for caching etc.)
01:16 < Mike1> at lest not on the rock-src stuff
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01:16 < tcr> Oh we're talking about disc space?
01:16 < Mike1> tcr: dude, he is talking about hd not memory ...
01:16 < Mike1> tcr: Wie gehts btw
01:17 < tcr> vigorously recovered during vacation ;)
01:18 < tcr> I've been in Buxtehude, a small town near to Hamburg
01:18 < Mike1> tcr: nice :)
01:19 < tcr> Hamburg was quite big... busy...
01:19 < tcr> too big and too busy
01:22 < rxr> pfh
01:22 < rxr> when you enter arch subversion in google the first mail is from our mail archive ;-)!
01:22 < rxr> s/first mail/first match/
01:25 < tcr> rxr: you could write a small article about your rock scripts, couldn't you? ;)
01:26 < rxr> ;-) Those scripts might be come obsolete as soon as I have a RCS more usefull than CVS ...
01:26 < rxr> but well yeah - I could write an article ...
01:27 < rxr> tcr: you use the tools for what?
01:27 < tcr> Nothing *g* just interested.. also articles are never bad
01:29 < rxr> have you an usefull in-depth arch subversion cvs comparison handy ?
01:30 < tcr> rxr: btw. the next sed version (that'll be 4.0.8, dunno if rock still uses 40.6, 4.0.7 has been released two weeks ago or so) will contain a proper fix for the cross compiling problem
01:31 < rxr> ah nice
01:31 < tcr> rxr: Nope.. looked for it myself.. the small comparasion at the arch website is certainly not wrong, but is certainly just there to point out the superiotiry of arch
01:31 < rxr> btw. the latest gawk release is also very defect. At least getline does not work - rendering it totally useless ...
01:32 < tcr> iow. it's quite subective
01:32 < rxr> tcr: to you work much on ROCK ?
01:33 < tcr> I did quite a much from beginning of 1.6pre1 till its death
01:33 < rxr> hm - I just wanted to ask wether you could use arch for a while on a rock tree and write some lines about it ...
01:34 < tcr> but now didn't find the time to jump to 1.7, and so I'm currently not within, just to do some private project and to look after some interests in other things than distributions
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01:35 < tcr> Hmm, well... a proper cvs2arch gateway is still missing, though simple checkouts are possible (maybe even updates) with some script
01:36 < tcr> I'm still collecting experiences with it... (just have used it for two weeks)
01:38 < tcr> But what I can already say is that branching is total fun with it. I'm hacking on cdk (curses devlopment kit) for another project currently and have the following branches: cdk--mainline, cdk--tcr, cdk--dev and cdk--tmp
01:40 < tcr> Every small change I do, I commit to cdk--dev (my development tree), and when I've got enough for a clean changeset, I use cdk--tmp to merge the relevant small changes from cdk--dev and to remove merge conflicts. If everything is fine, I merge from cdk--tmp to cdk--tcr (my personal tree). And when the time comes and I did what I want, I'll diff between cdk--mainline and cdk--tcr, and I will so send the changes to the maintainer
01:40 < tcr> As I said, it's amazing
01:55 < tcr> rxr?
01:57 < tcr> "tomorrow" ;)
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05:51 < Silent> hi
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09:14 < zeeble> hi, anyone in?
09:17 < zeeble> i need some help with rock linux
09:17 < zeeble> i mean which iso needs to be downloaded?
09:17 < zeeble> can't seem to figure it out from the website
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09:26 < daja77> moin
09:26 < kasc_> moin daja77
09:26 < daja77> hey kasc_ alive that early?
09:27 < kasc_> for some weired reason my inner clock wakes me at 6:00 every morning...
09:28 < daja77> buy a new one ;)
09:30 < kasc_> i'd like to, but then i risk it wont wake me during week
09:30 < daja77> hmmm doesn't matter *g*
09:34 < kasc_> unfortunately it does matter
09:34 < daja77> you are a student right?
09:34 < kasc_> yep
09:35 * daja77 too
09:35 < daja77> I just have a few lectures this semester, so I am not required to get out of bed at 6.00 ;)
09:35 < kasc_> 30 hours per week is not unusual for me. And then i still have to learn...
09:43 < rxr> re
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10:46 < tcr> moin all
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10:54 < tcr> rxr: Could I get the error log of gawk 3.1.2?
11:11 < daja77> re
11:13 < daja77> kasc_: do you have a freeciv gem package at hand?
11:24 < tcr> moin daja77
11:24 < kasc_> nope
11:24 < kasc_> oh, yes i found one
11:24 < tcr> moin kasc
11:25 < kasc_> moin tcr
11:25 < daja77> hi tcr
11:25 < kasc_> daja77: a gem package for athlon and a bz2 for pII/celeron
11:25 < daja77> athlon would be ok
11:26 < kasc_> if the civ client segfaults you would have to rebuild it with xaw widgets instead of xaw3d widgets. not sure which version that is
11:26 < kasc_> dcc or email?
11:32 < daja77> dcc
11:32 < daja77> ahem I'd use gtkclient anyway
11:37 < daja77> oops, sorry you send me freetype instead of freeciv
11:39 < kasc_> oops
11:40 < kasc_> the autocompletion in irssi is crap... BitchX handles that better ;)
11:49 < daja77> thx kasc_ ;)
11:52 < blindcoder> moin
11:53 < daja77> moin blindcoder
11:54 < kasc_> moin blindcoder
12:13 < rxr> tcr: hm?
12:13 < rxr> gawk - what do you mean?
12:14 < tcr> rxr: It's broken, isn'
12:14 < tcr> t it?
12:14 < rxr> it compiles - but it does not work correctly
12:15 < rxr> at least getline does not work - and so it is unuselable
12:15 < tcr> How did you compile?
12:15 < rxr> I did a diff between 3.1.1 and 3.1.2 - but the chnages are huge ...
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12:16 < rxr> tcr: you mean link with dietlibc or glibc?
12:16 < rxr> I only did the normal system build - even that was not working ...
12:16 < rxr> I have not tried to compile this broken version for the bootdisk - sorry ...
12:16 < tcr> I actually reger to compile time options, configure arguments etc
12:16 < tcr> refer
12:17 < rxr> tcr: I only do Build-Pkg's so the normal ROCK Linux options ...
12:18 * tcr kisses rxr for setting up the svn thing, so that there's at last a browsable version of the most recent sources
12:19 * daja77 curses suif
12:20 < tcr> suif? %)
12:20 < rxr> tcr: ;-)
12:20 < daja77> https://suif.stanford.edu
12:20 < tcr> no gawk.conf, ok..
12:22 < tcr> daja77: whats that
12:23 < daja77> compiler tools for research
12:26 < daja77> ...and it is the package with the worst install procedure and almost no documentation :(
12:28 < tcr> rxr: Hmm, compiled it now.. How can I test the misbehaviour?
12:29 < rxr> try our ROCK Linux hwscan
12:29 < rxr> it uses getline a few times
12:29 < rxr> or write an own short loop ...
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12:32 < rxr> does this outputs your users?:
12:32 < rxr> gawk -F: '{ print $1 }' /etc/passwd
12:33 < tcr> Yes
12:35 < tcr> where's that hwscan?
12:35 < tcr> where's that hwscan script?
12:36 < rxr> /sbin/hwscan ;-)
12:37 < rxr> https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/package/base/sysfiles/hwscan.awk
12:37 < tcr> yup
12:38 < rxr> ok - so getline might be the only problem
12:38 < rxr> if hwscan is too complex try a simple getline
12:39 < tcr> Btw. why is it ´package' and not plural, ie. `packages' ?
12:39 < tcr> Just realized that now
12:40 < rxr> tcr: don't know - I also typo packages sometimes ...
12:40 < tcr> hrm#
12:42 < rxr> architecture or target are also not plural
12:43 < rxr> so maybe cliff named them this way because one "URL" revers to the one "object" at a time ...
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12:43 * rxr away cu
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12:43 < tcr> cu
12:43 < senaxl> tschö :)
12:56 < daja77> is there any chance to see which app blocks /dev/dsp ?
12:57 < senaxl> lsof ?
12:57 < blindcoder> fuser
12:58 < daja77> hmm don't have any of this programs here :(
13:03 < senaxl> hm.
13:03 < Lorini> moin moin
13:03 < senaxl> moin
13:03 < blindcoder> moin Lorini
13:03 < blindcoder> anyone got a clue with python?
13:04 < senaxl> *g*, "Igitt python" -- Thunder Anklin
13:04 < blindcoder> nah, more like: Where can I get gtk and gdkpixbuf bindings for it?
13:05 < daja77> hey Lorini
13:05 < senaxl> hm.
13:06 < daja77> ok esd was fscked up, everything ok now ;)
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13:19 < daja77> hey zer0_o
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14:25 * daja77 is cursing and goin mad
14:28 < kasc_> whats up?
14:29 < daja77> I have to compile some stupid stuff on an old suse and get weird errors
14:30 < daja77> fscking suif
14:32 < kasc_> hehe
14:33 < daja77> it works now
14:35 < kasc_> what did you do to it?
14:41 < daja77> I excluded hardcoded /usr/include/linux include path
14:42 < daja77> they tried to include kernel headers, suckers
14:46 < daja77> the project is all about source code transformation ;)
14:47 < kasc_> what is so bad about including kernel header files?
14:48 < daja77> if you include it from user space, lots of stuff is missing
14:50 < kasc_> ic
14:51 < daja77> that's why there are userspace headers for this ;)
15:03 < kasc_> do you know how much the 2.5.x kernels differ from 2.4.x?
15:03 < tfing> from 0.1
15:03 < daja77> nope, never tried 2.5
15:03 < daja77> hi tfing
15:03 < tfing> hi
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15:15 < tcr> kasc_ how do you mean
15:16 < zer0_o> hi all
15:16 < daja77> zer0_o: ;)
15:16 < kasc_> tcr: my last attempt to upgrade to 2.5.x ended in a disaster...
15:17 < kasc_> havent tried any further afterwards
15:17 < kasc_> that was with 2.5.10 i think...
15:17 < zer0_o> 2.5.x is horrible
15:17 < zer0_o> i'm on 2.5.66 now..
15:18 < zer0_o> hi deja =)
15:18 < tcr> kasc_: Yup beginning was quite messy, but from > .3x it went upwards
15:20 < daja77> bbl
15:25 < kasc_> hope its now easier to migrate...
15:26 < kasc_> is there anyting i need to install first?
15:27 < tcr> Hmm, you should ensure to have a recent modutils package
15:27 < tcr> Well, of course only if you intend to use modules
15:28 < kasc_> modutils or module-init-tools (or what ever they are called?)
15:28 < tcr> the former i think ?!
15:29 < tfing> you need module-init-tools for a 2.5
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15:41 < kasc_> do i need to change anything in my bootup scripts?
16:02 < tfing> in the fstab, you should say tmpfs instead of shm
16:02 < tfing> and usbfs instead of usbdevfs
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16:31 < daja77> re
16:31 < senaxl> Huhu
16:31 < daja77> huhu senaxl
16:37 < daja77> Mike1: ping
16:38 < senaxl> pong :)
16:38 < daja77> senaxl: huh?
16:39 < senaxl> :)
16:39 < daja77> *hmpf* senaxl the only one alive here
16:39 < senaxl> thats fine :)
16:39 < daja77> no
16:39 < senaxl> boah ;)
16:40 * daja77 likes a bit more action here
16:40 < senaxl> *g*
16:56 * kasc_ is currently building a new kernel
16:57 < senaxl> which version?
16:58 < kasc_> 2.5.68
16:59 < senaxl> brav :)
16:59 < senaxl> /exec -out uname -r
16:59 < senaxl> 2.5.67
16:59 < senaxl> :)
16:59 < kasc_> 2.4.x development seems to be stuck...
17:00 < senaxl> hm.
17:00 < kasc_> and i need a kernel upgrade at least once a month to feel comfy ;)
17:00 < senaxl> *g*
17:03 < daja77> yeah it's sexy...
17:04 < kasc_> most important: i can delete the alsa-drivers source dir
17:04 < senaxl> and use oss :)
17:07 < kasc_> senaxl: that would be even worse
17:07 < daja77> ack
17:10 < senaxl> what dont like you? :)
17:11 < daja77> oss is stuff from yesterday and sucks like hell
17:12 < senaxl> yes its old..
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17:12 < A-Tui> hola
17:13 < daja77> hola A-Tui
17:13 < A-Tui> eh hola daja77
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17:24 < kasc_> brb reboot
17:24 < senaxl> use kexec :)
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17:55 < tsa> hi
17:56 < senaxl> hi
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17:57 < daja77> hi tsa
17:58 < Mike1> daja77: pong
17:58 < Mike1> moin all
17:59 < daja77> hey Mike1 ;)
17:59 < Mike1> daja77: were you looking for me earlier?
18:00 < daja77> yes
18:00 < Mike1> daja77: well i am here now, how can i help you my friend?
18:01 < daja77> I wasn't calling for help, needed some entertainment ;)
18:01 < Mike1> do i look like a clawn to you?
18:01 < daja77> nope
18:02 < Mike1> then i can't offer entertainment :PP
18:02 < daja77> ok let's talk then ;)
18:03 < Mike1> okis :)
18:03 < Mike1> how are things doing daja77?
18:04 < daja77> bad
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18:04 < daja77> have to recode uni project due logical bug
18:04 < Mike1> why? whats wrong ?
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18:06 < Mike1> daja77: mmm...
18:07 < daja77> this is not fun, ugly c++ source in connection with suif
18:07 < Mike1> whats ugly about c++?
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18:08 < daja77> well in this case it is c code wrapped in c++
18:08 < Mike1> urgs
18:08 < Mike1> hi ringo78 btw
18:14 < A-Tui> cu later guys
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18:39 < daja77> what a boring sequence
18:40 < Mike1> daja77: sorry i am replying to VISION mail
18:40 < Mike1> it will be a a _BIG_ replay
18:40 < daja77> VISION mail?
18:40 < Mike1> yeah the one sent by Pjotr Prins
18:40 < Mike1> VISION 2003..
18:41 * daja77 should check his mailbox
18:42 < Mike1> _yes_
18:44 * daja77 reads vision mail...
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18:53 < daja77> wb Lorini
18:55 < daja77> *argl* what a crap
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18:58 < daja77> I don't get it, why isn't he just using gentoo?
18:59 < Mike1> daja77: its a comparision, he has made great stuff in ROCK, he is the original author of the ROCK Linux Guide for example
19:00 < Mike1> daja77: he's yearly vision mail, is always usefull to help us see our weakness and advatages
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19:01 < daja77> ok, just one point, I like it that rock is not goin for the masses
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19:05 < daja77> Mike1: do you have some c++ experience?
19:06 < Mike1> not much.
19:06 < daja77> :(
19:06 < Mike1> just basic experience
19:06 < daja77> do you know if there is such a thing like dynamic arrays?
19:09 < rxr> daja77: szre
19:09 < rxr> std::vector<>
19:09 * rxr away again ...
19:10 < daja77> rxr: thx
19:10 < tsa> hi rxr
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19:19 < kasc> re
19:19 < daja77> re kasc
19:20 < kasc> looks like i have to redo my videomode patch :(
19:32 * daja77 will go away for some time
19:34 < Mike1> ok VISION reply sent.
19:34 < Mike1> phew that was long.
19:52 < Mike1> hi tsa
19:58 < tsa> hi Mike1
20:14 < Mike1> ping rxr
20:14 < Mike1> Anyone have samba.gem for me?
20:15 < tsa> aaah!
20:16 < tsa> cool.
20:16 < tsa> just managed to make ctwm install it's fscking man-pages, too
20:16 < Mike1> :)
20:19 < tsa> anyone familar with Makefiles`?
20:20 < tsa> how do i add one target to another one?
20:20 < tsa> i.e. i currently have "install" and "install.man", and i want install.man done when "install" is done, too..
20:24 < kasc> just adding install.man after install: should do
20:24 < tsa> thx
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20:36 * tsa fixing package bugs..
20:37 < Mike1> enjoy tsa
20:38 < tsa> so far:
20:38 < tsa> slrn
20:38 < tsa> nvidia
20:39 < tsa> ctwm (man-pages)
20:39 < tsa> small ettercap update
20:39 < tsa> nessus updated
20:39 < tsa> xinetd updated
20:48 < rxr> pong Mike1
20:48 * rxr party-ing here ...
20:48 < Mike1> rxr: :)
20:49 < Mike1> rxr: sorry i am interupting ur party
20:49 < Mike1> rxr: do you have a _working_ smaba.gem laying around for me?
20:49 < rxr> not a perfectly working one
20:49 < Mike1> samba*
20:49 < rxr> but it can be configured to work
20:49 < rxr> I still have one smaba bug on my todo ...
20:49 < Mike1> rxr: is it missing the smpasswd file?
20:50 < rxr> hm - no this has to be created -
20:50 < Mike1> aka the .tdb thingy?
20:50 < rxr> but a security or private (or so) dir
20:50 * rxr getting called cu guys ...
20:50 < Mike1> arrgg
20:55 < kasc> brb (reboot)
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21:14 < Mike1> hi daja77
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21:28 < tcr> re all
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21:35 < tsa> aah..
21:36 < tsa> just sent my probably last pre-2.0 patches to the list.
21:40 < tcr> "Ok"
21:42 * Mike1 stares at tcr... 
21:42 < Mike1> long time not seen you my friend, glad to see you around :)
21:43 < tcr> Heh... you mean it has been so quiet here for such a long time? ;)
21:44 < tcr> Mike1: Btw. could it be that you drank one bottle too much yesterday?
21:44 < Mike1> tcr: nah :)
21:45 < Mike1> tcr: daja77_ and esden take care of making a lot of noise..
21:45 < Mike1> and no i didn't drink yesterday .. neither today
21:45 < tcr> Not? Well, nevertheless we met us yesterday (quite late it was here in germany) already ;) You seemed to forgot that, that's why the question.
21:45 < daja77_> Mike1: ??
21:46 < Mike1> hi daja77_ :))
21:46 < tcr> Right. It's daja77_! Always daja77_! He's born to be blamed!
21:46 -!- daja77_ is now known as daja77
21:46 < Mike1> tcr: shhhh! no one knows i'm phisically in .de
21:46 < daja77> tcr: what for?
21:47 < daja77> huh?
21:47 < tsa> Mike1: huh?
21:47 < Mike1> *g
21:48 * daja77 gets blame, for just arriving ;)
21:48 < tcr> daja77: for everything!
21:48 < Mike1> tsa, daja77 don't panic :)
21:48 < daja77> tcr: how was your trip?
21:50 < tcr> Quite relaxing... Much time for reading, also bought a new book 'the pragmatic programmer', though haven't touched it yet
21:50 < tcr> Pity is just that monday school will begin again *choke*
21:51 < Mike1> daja77, tsa i am in .cr btw it was a joke :p
21:51 < daja77> Mike1: I got it thx
21:51 < Mike1> daja77: sure.
21:52 < Mike1> daja77: btw whats the status on the rtai target? i asked about it on my vision reply but i guess you didn't read the mail..
21:52 < daja77> right
21:52 < daja77> cos I haven't even recvd it
21:52 < Mike1> mm..
21:52 < Mike1> where are you daja77?
21:52 < daja77> I was at my parents
21:53 < Mike1> ah ok. :)
21:54 * tcr got a sore throat... :-/
21:54 < daja77> drink my friend, drink
21:54 < tcr> Nah, have enough Wick Blau around here
21:54 * Mike1 shocke shocke!
21:55 < tcr> (for all non-germans: Wick Blau are cough drops)
21:55 < Mike1> tsa: vas a venir con praenti en septiembre?
21:55 < tcr> tsa is gonna visit old ass mike?
21:55 < Mike1> tcr: ok thanks for the explanation?
21:56 < daja77> lol
21:56 < Mike1> old ass? have you ever seen my oretty ass?
21:56 < Mike1> preety*
21:56 < Mike1> you would be suprised :)
21:56 < daja77> lol, never Mike1 please hide it
21:56 < tcr> old ass as (hrrr) in super duper or something like that
21:57 < Mike1> daja77: lol i am not showing it anyways :)
21:57 < daja77> thx very much
21:57 < Mike1> daja77: did we ever told you how blindcoder got blind?
21:58 < daja77> yeah, had something to do with xchat, and you
21:58 < Mike1> daja77: no! not at all
21:58 < Mike1> daja77: the poor guy even has nightmares all the time, it was tcr the one who left him blind
21:58 < Mike1> tsa Vendras en setiembre con praenti?
21:58 < daja77> sounds plausible for me
21:59 < tsa> Mike1: vas a pagar?
21:59 < tcr> I can't remember
21:59 < Mike1> daja77: the poor blindy saw a picture of tcr naked
21:59 < tcr> Hmm, what a joy!
21:59 < daja77> holy shit
21:59 < Mike1> tsa para que? tu eres millonario de todo modos
21:59 < tsa> hm...
21:59 * daja77 reading mail
21:59 < Mike1> tsa :P
22:00 < Mike1> tsa seriamente, praenti me dijoq ue vendra en setiembre, y pensaba si tu quiseras venir tambien.. rxr vendra con la novia en agosto
22:00 < tsa> ah...
22:01 < tcr> inofficial dev meeting??
22:01 < Mike1> tcr: yeah sort off :)
22:01 < Mike1> tcr: wanna come?
22:02 < Mike1> beers and chicks for bunches
22:02 < Mike1> maybe some coding
22:02 < daja77> sounds interesting...
22:02 < tsa> the chicks part sounds promising..
22:03 < tsa> ;)
22:03 < Mike1> tsa: sure
22:03 < Mike1> so daja77, tcr, tsa will you join?
22:03 < tcr> not this year... though I've been really thinking of next summer
22:03 < tsa> have to think about it..
22:03 * Mike1 should send an invitation to maling list
22:03 < daja77> Mike1: tell some details?
22:04 < tcr> daja77: hehe... well
22:04 < Mike1> daja77: ROCK devs and anyone else relayted to rock in a house at the beach parting
22:04 < Mike1> daja77: there will be chicks also, so the rest will be up to you :)
22:04 < Mike1> daja77: also some coding :)
22:05 < daja77> beach where?
22:05 < tcr> daja77: Laying on the beach with a cool drink in you hand, your laptop right to you, a chick on the left side and coding until the sun sets...
22:05 < Mike1> daja77: CR
22:05 < daja77> oh
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22:06 < tcr> Hmm.. Damn... I forgot to make a picture of me for esden's devlopers gallery! Hrm, tomorrow...
22:06 < Mike1> tcr: OMG, wanna leave us all blind?
22:06 < daja77> Mike1: can't tell you status of rtai, cos I havent seen the build this week, and the next week is a trouble week for me
22:06 < daja77> hehehe
22:07 < Mike1> daja77: why trouble
22:07 < tcr> Should I make one with my hairs open or bent together?
22:07 < Mike1> daja77: so do you think it could be possible for you to join us?
22:07 < daja77> can't tell now
22:08 < daja77> troublesome, cos I only have the wheelchair most of the week, and workplace is on the other end of the town
22:08 < Mike1> daja77: ok let us know, also maybe if you we get a good group traveling together might good better pricing on tickets and stuff here
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22:08 < tcr> wheelchair ?!!!
22:08 < Mike1> daja77: stop complaining you will be able to some workout :P
22:08 < Mike1> tcr: sure.
22:08 < tcr> Ok
22:08 < Mike1> hi Lorini where is that _ we all love?
22:09 < daja77> it is not only pricing, most airlines don't transport my wheelchair, I'd need someone to help me
22:09 < Mike1> daja77: we could make tcr your personal slave for the trip :)
22:09 < daja77> hmm, I only know her without _
22:09 < daja77> lol
22:10 < tcr> Well...
22:10 < tcr> I'm sorry but I'm small, slight and lanky
22:10 < tcr> Not really strong... and daja77 fat as he is.. puuuh ;)
22:10 * Mike1 slaps tcr
22:10 < daja77> hmmm how does he know me so well *g*
22:11 < Mike1> tcr: show respect to your master
22:11 < Mike1> daja77: beat him
22:12 < tcr> hm
22:12 < Mike1> tcr: just kidding :)
22:12 < Mike1> == 14:11:14 =[9]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.2.2 1.7-snapshot].
22:13 < Mike1> tsa: weird stuff binutils have never failed for me, can i see ur error log..
22:14 < tcr> Hmm, someone of you happen to have some Richard Wagner songs? Don't wanna bother searching my Wagner CDs
22:14 < tsa> Mike1: already removed - it was complaining about missing Makefile.in AFAIK
22:15 < Mike1> tsa: very weird
22:15 < tsa> ack
22:15 < Mike1> wtf..
22:15 < Mike1> <_NULL_> hi. sorry...
22:15 < Mike1> <_NULL_> please don't be angry with me, again
22:16 < Mike1> really unspected
22:16 < tcr> Didn't I say he'll come back crawling.. ;)
22:16 < daja77> tcr: nope
22:16 < Mike1> tcr: he?
22:16 < tcr> Yes, I'm talking to myself ;)))
22:16 < tsa> Mike1: huh? what happened?
22:17 < Mike1> tsa: long story
22:17 < daja77> and a very unpleasant one
22:17 < tsa> hm..
22:17 < Mike1> yeah
22:18 < tsa> <- already wondered why owl had left..
22:18 < Mike1> tsa: what arch were you building on when binutils broke? and what CVS version was it?
22:18 < tsa> Mike1: cvs from 3 days ago, building pentium3-optimized
22:18 < Mike1> tsa: same version here no problem
22:19 < tsa> hm...strange
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22:27 < _NULL_> hi
22:27 < daja77> wb _NULL_
22:28 < _NULL_> the NULL-pointer is at least in the channel again
22:28 < _NULL_> :p
22:30 < tsa> ..whatever that's supposed to mean..
22:30 * daja77 is shocked
22:30 < _NULL_> tsa: ?
22:31 < daja77> unexpected fireworks behind me
22:34 < Mike1> tsa hehe
22:34 < Mike1> daja77: scared?
22:35 < daja77> I was for a moment, closed the window and goin on
22:36 * Mike1 imagines daja77's reaction
22:36 < Mike1> i think i would have payed to see you  :)
22:36 < Mike1> Quality entertainment :P
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22:37 < daja77> and expensive ;)
22:37 -!- Be-El [be-el@pD95251B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:37 < Be-El> hi ppl
22:37 < Mike1> daja77: _NULL_ will pay it for me so no worries it can be as expensive as you want
22:37 < Mike1> hi Be-El
22:37 < Mike1> tsa: == 04/26/03 14:10:33 =[9]=> Finished building package binutils.
22:38 < daja77> weee I can see some of the fireworks now
22:38 < tsa> hm..
22:38 < Be-El> did anyone of you notice spam related to the rock mailing list ?
22:38 < Mike1> tsa: my build have not brake since i started it
22:38 < Mike1> not even once
22:38 < Mike1> Be-El: yes i did
22:39 < Be-El> some strange chinese/japanese/taiwanese stuff ?
22:39 < Mike1> Be-El: yeah
22:39 * daja77 having fun
22:39 < tsa> rxr: awake?
22:39 * Mike1 grabs his water pistol and shuts daja77 :)
22:40 < Mike1> tsa: rxr is parting currently.
22:40 < daja77> Mike1: :PPPPPPPP
22:40 < Mike1> daja77: :))
22:40 < tsa> 5-e.err
22:40 < tsa> Extracting e-2003-03-15.tar.bz2 (--use-compress-program=bzip2 -xf) ...
22:40 < tsa> Changeing into /R.work/src.e.1051389529.21721.3806305505/e-2003-03-15 ...
22:40 < tsa> chown: failed to get attributes of `/R.work/src.e.1051389529.21721.3806305505/e-2003-03-15': No such file or directory
22:40 < _NULL_> gnaaaaaaaaaaaa! ./scripts/Build-Pkg qt (rock-1.5) seems to be neverending loop! NO, NO, NO!!! *grml*
22:41 < Mike1> tsa: re run ./scripts/Build-Target please
22:41 < Mike1> tsa: did you enable sclean up src dirs?
22:41 < tsa> Mike1: already tried that, doesn't help
22:41 < Mike1> _NULL_: waht?
22:41 < tsa> Mike1: yes
22:41 < _NULL_> Mike1: it looks so...
22:42 < Mike1> tsa: does "e" package actually exist? i mean you downloaded it?
22:42 < Mike1> _NULL_: why?
22:42 < Mike1> _NULL_: i updated qt so please tell me
22:42 < tsa> Matched: download/rene/e/e-2003-03-15.tar.bz2
22:42 < Mike1> tsa: mm..
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22:43 < Mike1> tsa: what linux distro are you building on?
22:43 < daja77> hmmm show is over...
22:43 < tsa> re-downloading
22:43 < tsa> ..
22:43 < Mike1> tsa: good.
22:43 < _NULL_> Mike1: i started a build at 19:39 or so... and it compiled and compiled again... the latest log ist from 22:39 (at least ls -l /var/adm/logs/5-qt.out displays this)
22:43 < Mike1> daja77: mm..
22:43 < tsa> Mike1: rock, somewhere between 1.4 and 1.7
22:43 < tsa> tbz2 looks corrupted.
22:43 < tsa> will try again
22:44 < Mike1> tsa: rolla and i have noticed strange behavior on 1.5 trees
22:44 < Mike1> tsa: echo "none" > src/Download-Mirror ; ./scripts/Download -package e
22:45 < tsa> hm...what kind of spam did you recieve, Be-El?
22:45 < Mike1> tsa: someone is spamming people from the rock linux mailing list
22:45 < Mike1> not directily to the list, but getting mails from there
22:45 < Mike1> tsa: i even received spam at my mike@rocklinux account
22:46 < daja77> we need a lart I guess
22:46 < tsa> Mike1: i'm getting more than enough spam per day, therefore i can't determine which one is rock-related..
22:46 < Mike1> tsa: setup spammasassin? :)
22:46 < daja77> nah, doesn't help
22:47 < tsa> Mike1: yes.
22:47 < Mike1> blackhole ?
22:47 < tsa> From: ½Å  ¿ë  ö <master@89894.com>
22:47 < tsa> To: "tsa@jaenicke.org" <tsa@jaenicke.org>
22:47 < tsa> Subject: (±¤°í)Â÷¾ÈÀÇ ´ã¹è³¿»õ, ÄûÄûÇÑ ³¿»õ...???@
22:47 < tsa> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 05:22:03 +0900
22:47 < tsa> MIME-Version: 1.0
22:47 < tsa> Content-Type: text/html;
22:47 < tsa>         charset="ks_c_5601-1987"
22:47 < tsa> this one?
22:47 < Mike1> tsa: yeah that specific junk
22:47 < tsa> X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=8.3 required=5.0
22:47 < tsa> ;)
22:48 < Be-El> tsa: yes, that's it
22:48 < tsa> Be-El: install spamassassin ;)
22:48 < tsa> hm...this one's strange:
22:48 < tsa> To: "20011207185332.b1642@jaenicke.org" <20011207185332.b1642@jaenicke.org>
22:49 < tsa> spamming to a msg-id?
22:49 < tsa> hm..
22:49 < daja77> spammers are clueful people?
22:50 < tsa> just finished the "e" package here, btw..
22:53 < Mike1> tsa: how did you fix it?
22:53 < Mike1> talking of spam:
22:53 < Mike1> Personally, I want to have some address that I can reach the author at,
22:53 < Mike1> and if that means that spammers can pick it up too (open source means that
22:53 < Mike1> everybody has the same stuff _I_ have) I guess people who want to talk to
22:53 < Mike1> me need to live with spam filters or send patches to me from special
22:53 < Mike1> accounts.
22:53 < Mike1> Those words were from Linux Torvalds
22:53 < Mike1> Linus*
22:57 < Be-El> finally...the build has reached stage 5....
22:57 < Mike1> :)
22:57 < Be-El> some days and a lot of wasted time later......
22:57 < daja77> ;)
22:57 < Be-El> we really need a way to reduce redundant package builds...
22:58 < Mike1> Be-El: simply disable rebuild stage
22:59 < Be-El> Mike1: nope....the build order of too much packages is broken.....it would disable a lot of features...e.g. openldap-support for many packages
22:59 < Mike1> then don't arg :P
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23:25 < tcr> re all
23:25 < daja77> re tcr
23:33 < daja77> beat me, whip me, make me use NT
23:33 < Mike1> :))
23:41 < Mike1> daja77: what are you doing?
23:41 < Mike1> daja77: everywhere
23:42 < Mike1> :P
23:42 < ringo78> join in #everywhere ...
23:42 < _NULL_> aeh? now i'm confusded...
23:43 < daja77> full ack, me too
23:43 < _NULL_> *g*
23:43 < _NULL_> *closing eyes*
23:43 < Mike1> ringo78: nah just someplaces
23:43 < daja77> will do
23:43 < ringo78>  /join #everywhere
23:44 < daja77> anyone into kick/ban Mike1 for me
23:44 < Mike1> daja77: is kinda freaky
23:44 < Mike1> daja77: what did i do????
23:44 < daja77> cofusing me
23:45 < _NULL_> having Mike1 on 3 channels is extremly confusing
23:45 < Mike1> _NULL_: why?
23:45 < daja77> _NULL_: four + query
23:46 < _NULL_> Mike1: because i often don't know where i am :p
23:46 < capchaos> _NULL_, don't drink and chat
23:46 < _NULL_> capchaos: ah! no. not you here :)
23:47 < Mike1> capchaos: this nice :)
23:47 * capchaos haunts _NULL_ 
23:47 < ringo78> _NULL_: wino ?
23:47 < ringo78> I like Suidafrikaner wein
23:47 < Mike1> hehe
23:48 < _NULL_> capchaos: i know
23:48 < _NULL_> ringo78: nothing...
23:49 < tcr> Suid-afrikaner? 8)
23:49 < tcr> Never encountered a african with the suid bit set ;)
23:50 < daja77> lol
--- Log closed Sun Apr 27 00:00:12 2003