-!- Irrsi  Log opened Sun Apr 27 00:00:12 2003
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[00:22] < A-Tui> hi
[00:22] < daja77> hey A-Tui
[00:22] < _NULL_> hi A-Tui
[00:22] < A-Tui> hi _NULL_ daja77
[00:38] < daja77> A-Tui: what's up?
[00:39] < A-Tui> i'm testing mocka
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[00:40] < daja77> mocka?
[00:40] < A-Tui> a m2 compiler
[00:40] < daja77> m2?
[00:40] < A-Tui> but i think that don't support all features of m2
[00:40] < A-Tui> m2 == modula-2
[00:40] < daja77> I fear it
[00:40] < daja77> feared
[00:41] < daja77> wtf modula
[00:42] < A-Tui> but mocka don't understand EXPORT label
[00:42] < daja77> *argh* I hate modula
[00:43] < A-Tui> me too
[00:44] < daja77> I needed one day to do a simple program in modula which takes minutes in almost every language, cos modula is so crappy
[00:44] < A-Tui> yes, that's true
[00:45] < A-Tui> i'm too slow in m2 too
[00:46] < daja77> those extra rules for writing a big or little letter in the beginning gives you the creeps
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[00:47] < kasc> re
[00:47] < daja77> re kasc
[00:47] < A-Tui> re kasc
[00:48] < kasc> looks like the new kernel is running now
[00:48] < kasc> too bad my cam isnt supported anymore
[00:49] < daja77> :(
[00:51] < _NULL_> hi kasc
[00:51] < kasc> but i found the mails mutt kept eating...
[00:52] < kasc> in my /var/spool/postfix/corrupt folder...
[00:52] < kasc> hi _NULL_
[00:59] < kasc> oh, my fonts seem to be broken, too...
[01:00] < kasc> äöüß <-- look quite funny now
[01:00] < daja77> looking ok here
[01:04] < tsa> kasc: use sendmail, then ;)
[01:04] < kasc> tsa: pine seems to like postfix
[01:04] < kasc> and i like both. pine and postfix
[01:05] < daja77> pain *g*
[01:05] < kasc> and that although i had a working sendmail.cf and not a trivial one ;)
[01:06] < tsa> i prefer mutt to pine..
[01:06] < tsa> and i know how to use sendmail, but not postfix
[01:07] < kasc> i know its much more powerfull but i was too lazy to dig through all those howtos for mutt
[01:07] < kasc> the documentation shipped with mutt is far too small
[01:08] < tsa> hm..my mutt is working perfectly..
[01:08] < kasc> didnt get gpg to fetch keys from a keyserver and outgoing mails seem to get crippled somehow
[01:09] < tsa> $ grep ^keyserver .gnupg/options
[01:09] < tsa> keyserver blackhole.pca.dfn.de
[01:10] < kasc> your muttrc would be more helpful ;)
[01:10] < kasc> especially all lines that begin with set
[01:12] < tsa> https://www.jaenicke.org/muttrc
[01:14] < daja77> gn8 everyone
[01:14] < kasc> thx
[01:14] < kasc> gn8 daja77
[01:15] < _NULL_> gn8 daja77
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[02:09] < rxr> re
[02:09] < tsa> hi senaxl
[02:10] < tsa> rxr..
[02:10] < senaxl> Huhu :)
[02:10] < tsa> sigh...damn tab-completion
[02:10] < mnemoc> hi
[02:10] < tsa> rxr: i sent a patch for libbonobouimm14 to the list..
[02:10] < tsa> just a problem with the build order..
[02:11] < mnemoc> rxr: i get an error checking out from svn :(
[02:11] < rxr> tsa: I already fixed this today (see svn) - but then we get shared files with gnomemm
[02:11] < rxr> I'm just taking a look
[02:11] < rxr> mnemoc: oh - what error ?
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[02:11] < tsa> tcltk is a shared file problem, too
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[02:12] < mnemoc> w8
[02:12] < mnemoc> a read error
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[02:14] < mnemoc> i'm doing it again now to paste you the exact file
[02:16]   Caspar_ wonders if portmap is needed to mount a nfs share ...
[02:17] < tsa> on the server, yes.
[02:17] < mnemoc> rpc
[02:17] < tsa> on the client, no.
[02:17] < Caspar_> no on the client ...
[02:18] < Caspar_> i just tried to create an netboot linuxrc and wanted to mount a nfs share :( it doesn't work ...
[02:19] < tsa> try "showmount -e servername" on the client
[02:19] < Caspar_> i'ts really difficult to do error searching when linux is not running already :(
[02:20] < Caspar_> i 've no shell yet ... its the linuxrc program ...
[02:20] < Caspar_> it says - can't mount /mnt_source: invalid argument ...
[02:21] < Caspar_>         if ( mount("192.168.17.111/rock","/mnt_source","nfs",MS_RDONLY,NULL))
[02:21] < Caspar_>                 { perror("Can't mount /mnt_source"); exit_linuxrc=0; }
[02:22] < Caspar_> export exists - can be mounted by another client - /mnt_source exists ...
[02:22] < Caspar_> nfs has been comiled into the kernel ...
[02:22] < Caspar_> :_(
[02:24] < tsa> can you mount /mnt_source frmo another host?
[02:24] < mnemoc> rxr: syn_io_file_open: can't open '/usr/src/rock2/rock-trunk/package/rene/edb/.svn/tmp/text-base/con.patch-manual.svn-base'
[02:25] < mnemoc> 'could not checkout a file' is the first message
[02:26] < rxr> mnemoc: I have to try here mom
[02:28] < rxr> tsa:  still here ?
[02:28] < tsa> yes
[02:29] < rxr> gnomemm-all already includes this:
[02:29] < rxr> gconfmm  libbonobomm  libbonobouimm  libglademm  libgnomecanvasmm  libgnomemm  libgnomeuimm
[02:29] < rxr> so our libbonobo* stuff should not be needed ...
[02:29] < tsa> hm...i see
[02:29] < rxr> should I remove them - or should I add all the gnomemm-all included packages as single packages to ROCK ?
[02:30] < tsa> i'd suggest to remove the single packages...less packages mean less work to the maintainer...
[02:30] < tsa> better keep -all, then..
[02:31] < rxr> but single packages might behave nicer when you debug a build error ...
[02:31] < rxr> but ok I'll try without the bonobo* packages
[02:33] < rxr> tsa: what do you think about the kernel issue - should be try to ship the -rc releases or should we wait even longer for a final?
[02:33] < rxr> the problem that with the current 2.4 policy it takes ages for imporant fixes/security/updates to be available as final ...
[02:34] < tsa> -rc should be ok..
[02:35] < rxr> ok - I think so, too. This is why I updated it some days ago ..
[02:35] < rxr> we need to track security issues more closely - we had linux* packages with the local-root explot available for too long
[02:36] < rxr> I know of a ROCK system at university where someone used it already ...
[02:36] < tsa> oops ;)
[02:37] < rxr> I like svn:
[02:37] < rxr> svn delete libbonobo*mm*
[02:37] < rxr> ;-)
[02:37] < mnemoc> are you sync'ing with clifford's changes?
[02:38] < Caspar_> tsa: i just tried to mount from my testclient - booted from an old drock  system on disk - worked - BUT it seems to need portmap - if i dont start portmap the mount command "hangs"
[02:38] < tsa> hm...strange
[02:40] < rxr> mnemoc: Checked out revision 9.
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[02:40] < rxr> mnemoc: what cml are you exactly using?
[02:40] < rxr> how did you compile svn ?
[02:40] < mnemoc> tortoisesvn ;)
[02:40] < rxr> mnemoc: sure I always sync with cliff
[02:40] < rxr> tortoisesvn? what is that?
[02:40] < mnemoc> windows crap :(
[02:41] < rxr> you try to checkout rock-linux on a windows box ?
[02:42] < mnemoc> mmm... i wanted to test it :(
[02:43] < mnemoc> can i build cmdline tools without apache?
[02:43] < mnemoc> my test-box is not enought for that :|
[02:44] < rxr> yes - the Apche Portable Runtime is included in subversion - and is automatically build within subversion when non external is provided.
[02:44] < rxr> mnemoc: have you tried to checkout e.g. subversions source-code with your windows client tool =
[02:44] < rxr> ?
[02:44] < mnemoc> yep...
[02:44] < mnemoc> works fine
[02:45] < rxr> hm
[02:46] < mnemoc> to build it.. just neon+subversion then?
[02:48] < rxr> mnemoc: jups I think so
[02:49] < Caspar_> is there any tool outside which fetchs a file from an tftp server an writes it to stdout ? the tftp tool only creates a file ...
[02:49] < rxr> curl
[02:51] < Caspar_> curl tftp://192.168.17.111/tftpboot/config/menu.lst
[02:51] < Caspar_> curl: (1) Unsupported protocol: tftp
[02:52] < Caspar_> rocklinux 1.7 system
[02:53] < rxr> oh tftp. hm ...
[02:55] < tsa> install utftp
[02:56] < tsa> specify "-" as output file, should work
[02:56] < Caspar_> where can i get utftp ?
[02:56] < Caspar_> it isn't included in the CVS packages - is it ?
[02:56] < tsa> https://www.ohse.de/uwe/software/utftpd.html
[02:58]   tsa going to sleep now..
[02:58] < tsa> cu tomorrow..
[02:58] < senaxl> nite..
[02:58] < rxr> cu tsa
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[03:07] < rxr> Revision 11: /rock-trunk
[03:07] < rxr> sync with cliff - much fun
[03:08] < mnemoc> are you happy with your new toy? ;)
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[03:26] < mnemoc> rxr: a weird thing... if i checkout https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/ it fails
[03:26] < mnemoc> with that error
[03:27] < mnemoc> bu if a checkout https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk works fine
[03:28] < mnemoc> until now... it hasn't ended yet
[03:34] < rxr> "rock-linux/rock-trunk" is the correct URL ...
[03:40] < rxr> ah! - How I like svn:
[03:40] < rxr> svn add *mm*
[03:40] < rxr> *g*
[03:40] < rxr> mnemoc: your checkout is still running =
[03:41] < mnemoc> :(
[03:41] < mnemoc> i'm faaaar away ;)
[03:42] < mnemoc> using rock-trunk started in another order... i haven reached package/rene yet
[03:42] < rxr> ah - and the server only has a 256 kBit/s upstream ...
[03:42] < mnemoc> and that was the first package/* i got using rock-linux
[03:43] < mnemoc> is it at your home?
[03:43] < rxr> this is only a "first test" server - when svn shows up to work well - it will be moved to my primary (non-home) server having 155MBit/s ...
[03:43] < rxr> jups at home - DSL line ...
[03:44] < rxr> the dabase is on a RAID5 volume ...
[03:44] < rxr> s/dabase/database/ ...
[03:45] < mnemoc> well... i took 5 hours building 1-linux24 :(
[03:46] < mnemoc> i love that box
[03:46] < rxr> oh :-(
[03:46] < rxr> gcc-33 will be faster ;-)
[03:46] < mnemoc> ? why?
[03:47] < rxr> aside from many cleanups in the optimizer stages they also improved the garbage-collector (used internally in gcc) and made it adapt to the free system memory instead of using 4MB hardcoded
[03:48] < rxr> this all results in quite impressive speedups
[03:48] < rxr> *g*
[03:48] < mnemoc> :-) when will be released?
[03:48] < rxr> althought I do not now why thes made such a strange GC ...
[03:49] < rxr> in the next weeks (Mark Mitchel tells us for some weeks now ...) ;-)
[03:49] < rxr> Mitchell in fact
[03:49] < mnemoc> i guess rock-2.0 will wait for it ;)
[03:50] < rxr> I have not yet made a decission
[03:50] < rxr> it will be binary compatible - so this shouldn't be much of a problem
[03:50] < mnemoc> and about bdb4{,0}?
[03:51] < rxr> I prefer bdb4 ...
[03:51] < mnemoc> :(
[03:51] < rxr> why do you prefer bdb40 ?
[03:52] < mnemoc> just what i said about lib/header versioning
[03:52] < mnemoc> a feeling
[03:54] < mnemoc> libdb4.so (4.0) vs libdb-4.so (4.1) for example
[03:54] < rxr> which name are you using on the rock list ?
[03:54] < mnemoc> name? mine :) Alejandro Mery
[03:55] < rxr> ah
[03:55] < rxr> oki but your irc client says:
[03:55] < rxr> Mnemoc Von Machali
[03:55] < rxr> ...
[03:56] < mnemoc> some irc client for hidden and public work :(
[03:56] < mnemoc> Mnemoc <-- nick, machali <-- my village at chile
[03:56] < rxr> ah
[03:57] < mnemoc> then... i'm that pain-in-the-ass that bomb you with crappy mails ;)
[03:59] < mnemoc> did you panic and run away?
[03:59] < rxr> no ;-) Just editing some files to continue the build ...
[03:59] < rxr> reread your mail - now got what you mean ...
[04:00]   rxr thinking ...
[04:01] < mnemoc> db4/db.h (4.0) libdb-4.so (4.1)
[04:01] < mnemoc> looks weird
[04:01] < rxr> yes - but only because bdb41 is used as major 4 ...
[04:01] < mnemoc> yes
[04:01] < mnemoc> only because that
[04:02] < mnemoc> 4.1 default + mayor + version
[04:02] < mnemoc> 4.0 version
[04:02] < mnemoc> 3.3 mayor + version
[04:02] < Caspar> argh ... command "mount 192.168.17.111/rock /xx" funcs but c command "mount("192.168.17.111/rock","/mnt_source","nfs",NULL,NULL)"
[04:03] < mnemoc> caspar: have you tried by http?
[04:03] < mnemoc> rxr: do you prefer 4.0 default + mayor + version and 4.1 just as version?
[04:03] < rxr> you really think this is that ugly ?
[04:04] < rxr> mnemoc: no - I like it as it is ...
[04:04] < mnemoc> libdb4.so (4.0) vs libdb-4.so (4.1) <-- this is confuse
[04:04] < rxr> the only thing we might want to change is the name of some files - to make you happy ;-)
[04:04] < Caspar> yes - but i'm a perfectionist - i want to set minimal requirements to my server - so i need tftp to boot the kernel and i'll need nfs to mount rocklinux system - so i want to download my ramdisk by either those two protokols ...
[04:05] < Caspar> i did the change in the bootdisk target - so i know downloading by wget works - but now i want to try tftp or nfs ....
[04:05] < mnemoc> rxr: if bdb40 you solve that inconsistencies... and you can make the links for mayor defaults
[04:06] < rxr> well ok - I'll rename it ...
[04:06] < mnemoc> :-D
[04:07] < mnemoc> ln -s ${pkg:1} $root/$prefix/include/${pkg:1:3} <--- add this to postinstall of bdb33 and bdb41
[04:07] < mnemoc> please :D
[04:08] < mnemoc> i'll be really happy
[04:11] < rxr> why ?
[04:11] < mnemoc> why the link or why the happyness?
[04:12] < rxr> both ;)
[04:12] < mnemoc> the links are for getting include/db[34] and make configures happy
[04:14] < mnemoc> and my happyness because i could talk with you and convice you of something that was really hard to 'translate' :-)
[04:14] < rxr> checked in
[04:14]   rxr testing now ...
[04:14] < Caspar> ahhhh: For most types all the mount program has to do is issue a simple
[04:14] < Caspar>               mount(2)  system call, and no detailed knowledge of the filesys-
[04:14] < Caspar>               tem type is required.  For a few types however (like nfs, smbfs,
[04:14] < Caspar>               ncpfs)  ad  hoc  code is necessary. The nfs ad hoc code is built
[04:14] < Caspar>               in, but smbfs and ncpfs have a separate mount program.
[04:15] < mnemoc> nfs is built-in ;)
[04:15] < Caspar> therefore my mount system call does not work ...
[04:15] < Caspar> so i've to include the mount command in my initrd ...
[04:16] < rxr> mnemoc: what are you doing with ROCK? S.th. commercial ?
[04:16] < Caspar> BTW: utftp does not output to stdout ...
[04:18] < mnemoc> rxr: chekout fails on the same file :(
[04:18] < rxr> strange? Still windows?
[04:18] < mnemoc> yes...
[04:18] < rxr> do you already have a linux version finished?
[04:18] < mnemoc> the linux one still builiding
[04:19] < mnemoc> comercial? no... i wanted to build a couple of routers... but they where compiled by hand :| .. in that process i 'fall in love' with rocklinux and i'm trying to do a server target to serve/route in 'my way' ;)
[04:20] < mnemoc> the strange thing in svn is that allways fails on the same file
[04:20] < rxr> we should wait for the linux results - and then dig deeper into it, maybe even asking at #svn ...
[04:21] < mnemoc> make install
[04:21] < mnemoc> subversion has a built-in neon too?
[04:22] < rxr> ah - yes
[04:22] < rxr> they have a fallback to nearly anything ...
[04:23] < rxr> mnemoc: maybe the windows client deosn't like the filename ?
[04:24] < mnemoc> it said 'can't checkout... can't read.... can't open...' BUT can be something with the name
[04:26] < rxr> mnemoc: what do you exactly mean with "i'm ok with that... so if we don't 'make damage' we can update packages?"
[04:27] < mnemoc> can i update package if i'm sure they don't hurt?
[04:27] < rxr> sure - what exactly do you have in mind ?
[04:29] < mnemoc> i have almost 20 packages enqueue for sending to rock.... and some a the packages that are already on my repo. needs update..
[04:29] < mnemoc> but to 'ensure' they work i need to reach at least stage 5 :(
[04:31] < rxr> which takes so long because of you box's cpu speed?
[04:31] < mnemoc> cpu, ram, hd ... all sucks
[04:32] < mnemoc> my box is fine.. but with XP (i work developing MS crap)
[04:32] < mnemoc> my develop machine is pmmx200/64/2GB
[04:32] < rxr> ic
[04:32] < mnemoc> that serves vpn :(
[04:33] < rxr> do you know of ./scripts/Create-ErrList -newdelete ?
[04:33] < rxr> might save you some time testing ...
[04:33] < mnemoc> ?? what exactly does?
[04:33] < Caspar> rxr: in my drock build i've seen an packages.db - is this already an package database ?
[04:35] < rxr> this is a cache file used by the build-system ...
[04:35] < rxr> mnemoc: it deletes the packages (files and logs) in your build dir which got updates after the build.
[04:36] < rxr> so you can test package changes without the need to delete single logs by hand or even do a full rebuld ...
[04:36] < mnemoc> wow...
[04:36] < mnemoc> that scripts are not much documented :)
[04:37] < rxr> :-( Doc patches are highly recommended ...
[04:37]   Caspar smiles - my diskless worstation does the first nearly useless but working startup :)
[04:37] < mnemoc> i saw it as a ls build/default/root/var/adm/log/*.err
[04:38] < mnemoc> Caspar: using nfs?
[04:38] < Caspar> yes
[04:38] < mnemoc> when do we have the patch to initrd and stone?
[04:38] < mnemoc> ;)
[04:38] < Caspar> now i've to build my ramfs and then do a full netboot ...
[04:40] < Caspar> rxr: i've seen in var/adm/dependencies - this lists the build time depencies - is there any reference of install time depencies ?
[04:41] < Caspar> like - installing wget - which libraries (packages) does it need ...
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[04:43] < rxr> yes/no - we think the build time ones are enought (often too much) - and take them as run-time dependency.
[04:43] < rxr> -t
[04:43] < Caspar> -t ?
[04:44] < rxr> short for spelling error - substract a 't' -> enough ;-)
[04:45] < mnemoc> but is not hard to an script that installs a package checking dependencies
[04:45] < Caspar> i'd like to build a liitle php script - which takes all package descriptions - there you can preselect all packages you want to install -  and then do a full automatic install ... so I'd like to do some dependcy check while selecting packages - therefor i ask ..
[04:46] < mnemoc> php script?
[04:46] < mnemoc> a web page?
[04:46] < rxr> use the existing build time dependency as gas_gui does
[04:46] < rxr> normally you will be on the save side
[04:47] < Caspar> yes - i want a php script where you can do all config for my target machine - then put a floppy disk in this machine and the machine does all install without any interaction ...
[04:47] < rxr> only binutils or gcc3 might be possible skiped for some - but gccX is needed for c++ applications for example (libstdc++ ...)
[04:49] < mnemoc> there is any way to 'filter' that dependencies... some kind of cleanup?
[04:49] < rxr> you might want to mark those dependencies as option in your php script
[04:49] < Caspar> i've prepared already an single floppy install disk which fetches the 2nd stage from an http server - then it gets an config bash script which does the complete install
[04:49] < rxr> mnemoc: this should be done in the installer
[04:49] < mnemoc> sure..
[04:49] < mnemoc> for seting priorities...
[04:50] < mnemoc> but i mean a cleanup to install using dependencies where they are really needed
[04:50] < rxr> hm?
[04:50] < mnemoc> rule: noone needs gcc except this packages
[04:51] < mnemoc> ignore dependecnies to compiler
[04:51] < mnemoc> with a list or algoritm of exceptions
[04:51] < rxr> this would result in massive hardcoding - we wanted to avoid
[04:51] < Caspar> i can't follow right now ...
[04:52] < mnemoc> i'm just waitng svn@linux to end the checkout
[04:52] < Caspar> i thought of something like redhat RPM's do - wget: glibc,...
[04:53] < mnemoc> RPM?? install the whole X system if you want vim? ;)
[04:53] < Caspar> not as silly as RPM but similar to this ...
[04:54] < Caspar> if vim needs a library of the X system to run which gets only installed if the complete X packages are installed - yes
[04:55] < rxr> this is possible - with the exeption that our current dependencies are build-time not runtime
[04:55] < mnemoc> i was kidding ;)
[04:55] < rxr> those match in 95% (just estimation) of the cases.
[04:55] < Caspar> if vim runs without this library but WILL use a library of the X system - don't install X ;)
[04:55] < rxr> the rest are either:
[04:56] < rxr> - too much dependencies because compiler assembler are listed
[04:56] < rxr> - too less because the prog calls another prog which obviously was not called during compilation (very rare)
[04:57] < rxr> I'm happy with this and for my needs a filter for gcc / binutils / nasm in the installer to note that this dependencies might be options is ok ...
[04:57] < rxr> s/options/optional/
[04:57] < Caspar> this means - if we want an good depency system - we would have to do this by hand :(
[04:58] < mnemoc> MTD is on the default kernel now? ... and fails to build...
[04:58] < mnemoc> == 13:01:28 =[1]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.20 1.7-snapshot].
[04:58] < mnemoc> == 04/26/03 18:09:34 =[1]=> Aborted building package linux24.
[04:59] < rxr> Caspar: nope - I think out system is better since they are automatically logged during build time - in RPM portage whateber they are hardcoded and so are often not up-to-date or incorrect ...
[04:59] < Caspar> ok then using the filter - ok
[04:59] < rxr> mnemoc: cvs, svn ? what error ?
[05:00] < mnemoc> Build-target
[05:00] < mnemoc> (cvs)
[05:00] < mnemoc> svn still co'ing
[05:01] < rxr> strange maybe some peace is missing there ...
[05:01] < Caspar> BTW: when i've finished the automated install - should this scripts (php,etc) go to an rock target ?
[05:01]   rxr currently improving linux*
[05:01] < rxr> Caspar: if you like ...
[05:01] < rxr> mnemoc: how far did your linux co proceed?
[05:01] < Caspar> to bootdisk or an seperate ?
[05:02] < mnemoc> rxr: i flood you
[05:02] < mnemoc> make CROSS_COMPILE=i586-pc-linux-gnu- KCC=i586-pc-linux-gnu-kcc-3 ARCH=i386 -C mtd modules_install
[05:02] < mnemoc> make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/rock-1.7/src.linux24.1051376469.23318.3896527903/linux-2.4.20/drivers/mtd'
[05:02] < mnemoc> mkdir -p /usr/src/rock-1.7/build/boot-1.7-snapshot-x86-pentium-bootdisk-expert/root/lib/modules/2.4.20-rock/kernel/drivers/mtd/
[05:02] < mnemoc> cp cmdlinepart.o ftl.o mtdblock.o mtdblock_ro.o mtdchar.o mtdconcat.o mtdcore.o mtdpart.o nftl.o redboot.o /usr/src/rock-1.7/build/boot-1.7-snapshot-x86-pentium-bootdisk-expert/root/lib/modules/2.4.20-rock/kernel/drivers/mtd/
[05:02] < mnemoc> cp: cannot stat `ftl.o': No such file or directory
[05:02] < mnemoc> cp: cannot stat `mtdblock.o': No such file or directory
[05:02] < mnemoc> cp: cannot stat `mtdblock_ro.o': No such file or directory
[05:02] < mnemoc> cp: cannot stat `nftl.o': No such file or directory
[05:02] < mnemoc> make[2]: *** [_modinst__] Error 1
[05:02] < mnemoc> shit
[05:02] < mnemoc> sorry
[05:02] < mnemoc> sorry sorry sorry
[05:03] < mnemoc> damn paste
[05:03] < mnemoc> going back to the install issue before my massive flood :|...
[05:04] < rxr> Caspar: where you think it fits best.  maybe a new one might be best. Since I do not want to introduce too many new features before 2.0
[05:05] < Caspar> ok
[05:05] < mnemoc> i think we can improve a process which analizes flists
[05:05] < mnemoc> something adaptive...
[05:06] < mnemoc> for example i we will not *install* the compiler (by config) ignore .a files
[05:09] < rxr> you mean re-analysing the flists during the package selection during install ?
[05:09] < mnemoc> when you build something a list of IO action is generated
[05:10] < mnemoc> the owners of read file ar added to dependencies
[05:11] < mnemoc> the write files are used to generate the tarball
[05:12] < mnemoc> we need the dependencies as they are to assign priorities (building order)
[05:13] < mnemoc> but we can re-analize it the generate a second list of dependencies
[05:13] < mnemoc> in an smarter way
[05:14] < mnemoc> but a guess for rock2.8 ;)
[05:14] < mnemoc> s/a/i/
[05:14] < Caspar> ok, i've to go to bed - or my son will wake up before i've slept one minute ;)
[05:14] < mnemoc> we all have to sleep :)
[05:15] < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep too
[05:15] < Caspar> my son will wake up in nearly 3 hours - short night today ;(
[05:15] < Caspar> gn8
[05:16] < mnemoc> good nights
[05:16] < rxr> no not rock 2.0
[05:16] < mnemoc> rock3?
[05:17] < rxr> I'm not sure if this is really that necessary (only slows down the build) - but if people find it that important we can add it in 2.1 or even in 2.0 if there is too much need.
[05:23] < mnemoc> i dont' see it a something 'much needed'
[05:24] < mnemoc> in the worst case, the target mantainer can do a list a .gem files to install ;)
[05:34] < mnemoc> did you include kopete?? ... thats funny :)
[05:35] < mnemoc> copete is the informal way to say 'a drink'.. and was created by a friend of me
[05:37] < rxr> ;-)
[05:37] < rxr> but it fails to compile - need to fix it still ...
[05:37] < rxr> has the checkout completed ?
[05:38] < mnemoc> rene/emacs
[05:38] < mnemoc> what order does it uses??
[05:38] < mnemoc> now it's aspell
[05:39] < rxr> mnemoc: don't now - mabe random as it is the database (like the files in a normal on-disk FS are spread rather randomly. See an unsorted ls ;-)
[05:39] < mnemoc> package/clifford
[05:39] < mnemoc> didn't fail
[05:39] < rxr> mnemoc: patches gainst svn should be ok - I'll apply them ;-)
[05:40] < rxr> maybe some protocol incompatibility: Just from #svn:
[05:40] < rxr> 05:32 < BenC> yeah, but it seems that 0.20, 0.21 and 0.22 are all incompatible
[05:40] < rxr> 05:32 < BenC> unless I missed something and 0.22 svnserve is compatible with 0.21 clients
[05:40] < rxr> 05:33 < BenC> I know that 0.21/0.20 clients/svnserve in either condition are incompatible
[05:40] < rxr> 05:33 < BenC> and 0.22 clients don't like my 0.21 server
[05:40] < rxr> the windows tool was an binary ?
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[05:40] < mnemoc> yes
[05:41] < rxr> maybe too old ... ?!?
[05:41] < rxr> I need sleep (very badly)
[05:41] < mnemoc> downlaoded today... i'll check the date
[05:41] < rxr> cu tomorrow
[05:41] < mnemoc> good nights
[05:41] < mnemoc> thanks for all
[05:41] < rxr> good night over to you, too ;-)
[05:42] < mnemoc> :>
[05:42] < mnemoc> 23:42 here
[05:42] < mnemoc> 21 Apr 2003 Version 0.9.2 of TortoiseSVN released! Built against Subversion 0.21
[05:44]   mnemoc is away [log:off] [pager:off] : [ dead ]
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[10:38] < daja77> moin
[10:55] < kasc> moin daja77
[10:55] < daja77> hey kasc
[10:57] < _NULL_> moin
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[11:13] < daja77> moin tcr
[11:19] < tcr> moin
[11:19] < daja77> bbl ;)
[11:24] < rxr> re
[11:33] < tcr> how's going with subversion?
[11:34] < rxr> works all fine up to now ;-)
[11:34] < tcr> Do you know aegis? I found it yesterday occasionally
[11:35] < tcr> aegis.sf.net
[11:35] < rxr> The only problem I had sometimes is subversion complaining about an old version after deletes
[11:36] < tcr> I'll take a look at the user guide of aegis later
[11:47] < tcr> rxr: Hmm, will you be the 2.0 maintainer?
[11:50] < rxr> ;-) tcr which email are you reading ?
[11:51] < tcr> That was implied in one of the 200mails sent to the list when I was in holiday... couldn't find it again, hence the question..
[11:52] < rxr> yes - I'll become most probably the 2.0 maintainer. Cliff wants to send an announcement for this out for some days now ...
[11:52] < tcr> Gotcha!
[11:52] < tcr> Pine.LNX.4.53.0304240309580.1120@apollo.home.clifford.at
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[12:40] < A-Tui> hi
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[12:50] < rxr> hi A-Tui
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[13:03] < A-Tui> hi rxr
[13:13] < _NULL_> re
[13:14] < A-Tui> i'm having problems with dosemu.... it can't use enveriroment variables
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[14:00] < A-Tui> re
[14:01] < _NULL_> wb A-Tui
[14:01] < A-Tui> hola _NULL_
[14:04] < A-Tui> _NULL_ dis you know any USENET Free Server?
[14:04] < _NULL_> nope. sorry
[14:05] < A-Tui> ok
[14:09] < daja77> re
[14:09] < daja77> A-Tui: https://freenews.maxbaud.net/faq.html#HARVEST
[14:10] < daja77> https://www.teranews.com/
[14:11] < daja77> https://news.cis.dfn.de/
[14:12] < daja77> hth ;)
[14:14] < A-Tui> daja77 tnx friend :)
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[14:40] < daja77> *lol*
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[14:52] < daja77> the angel is back
[14:52] < daja77> welcome Lorini
[14:52] < Lorini> hi daja77
[14:53] < daja77> ;)
[14:54] < Lorini> how are you today?
[14:54] < daja77> fine, on drugs ;)
[14:54] < Lorini> oh *g* tell me more..
[14:54] < daja77> strong tea...
[14:55] < Lorini> uh
[14:55] < kasc> daja77: black tea?
[14:55] < daja77> yesss
[14:55] < kasc> could use some, too
[14:56] < Lorini> my favourite tea is orange tea - unfortunately you can only get it in austria
[14:57] < daja77> I prefer english tea...
[14:57] < Lorini> mh.. igitt :)
[14:57] < daja77> *puzzled*
[14:58] < kasc> the english teas are known to be the qualitatively least valuable...
[14:58] < daja77> kasc: explain
[15:00] < kasc> the english teas are usually a mixture of rests
[15:00] < daja77> kasc: have you ever been to england
[15:00] < kasc> yep
[15:01] < daja77> tried the tea there
[15:01] < kasc> still yep
[15:01] < daja77> didn't like them?
[15:01] < kasc> i prefer Ostfriesentee or darjeeling
[15:01] < kasc> i didnt say they taste bad, just they are qualitatively the least valuable ;)
[15:02] < daja77> darjeeling why
[15:02] < kasc> coz i like it :)
[15:02]   daja77 not
[15:03] < kasc> compared to what is in english teas they taste really good ;)
[15:03] < blindcoder> moin moin
[15:03] < daja77> I never noticed any taste in darjeeling
[15:03] < daja77> moin blindcoder
[15:04] < Lorini> darjeeling tastes.. hm. strange
[15:04] < daja77> Lorini: ack
[15:04] < kasc> moin blindcoder
[15:05] < Lorini> moin blindcoder
[15:05]   blindcoder wonders if he should go dancing today or net
[15:06] < daja77> blindcoder: dance
[15:06] < blindcoder> yeah, but no dance-partner there today or I wouldn't have to think twice about it :)
[15:06] < kasc> darjeeling tastes lighter then most teas and is best cooked less then 2 minutes
[15:07] < daja77> too light for me
[15:07] < kasc> thats why there are so many teas ;)
[15:08] < daja77> good, eh?
[15:09] < kasc> hehe
[15:09]   daja77 should by some green tea
[15:11]   kasc doesnt like original green tea at all
[15:12] < kasc> tastes like Seetang
[15:13] < daja77> I like it since I got some wonderful green tea at a chinese retaurant
[15:14] < kasc> once again a matter of taste ;)
[15:14] < daja77> ack, bu I agree that there are bad green teas out there
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[15:17] < _NULL_> blindcoder: whois the admin at bingo-ev?
[15:18]   Lorini must have tried all these bad sorts of green tea...
[15:18] < _NULL_> hi Lorini
[15:18] < daja77> poor Lorini
[15:19] < daja77> anyway I'll give it a try, if it is bad I'll switch dealer
[15:19] < Lorini> lol
[15:19] < daja77> maybe killing the old dealer before...
[15:20] < Lorini> hrhr
[15:20] < blindcoder> _NULL_: admin@bingo-ev.de why?
[15:20] < _NULL_> blindcoder: ok. because i would like to change the sd[...]@bingo-ev.de adress
[15:21] < blindcoder> _NULL_: for that you can direcly kick esden in the ass
[15:21] < _NULL_> blindcoder: *g* ok... but he's sleeping (or so) since about two days...
[15:21] < _NULL_> (comatose sleep?)
[15:21] < blindcoder> he's at home
[15:21] < _NULL_> ah so
[15:21] < blindcoder> so it's really something like that :)
[15:22] < daja77> _NULL_: to change into what?
[15:22] < _NULL_> a comatose sleep ? ;)
[15:22] < blindcoder> daja77: grep /etc/aliases 'sd....:'
[15:22] < _NULL_> daja77: to chance into anothermailadress@bingo-ev.de
[15:22] < daja77> *puzzled*
[15:22] < blindcoder> daja77: sd....: /dev/null
[15:22] < daja77> _NULL_: but it is so long... *g*
[15:23] < _NULL_> daja77: bad luck ;)
[15:23] < blindcoder> MUAHA! I like my suspicious-mail-filter :)
[15:23] < daja77> _NULL_: ahem not that I have to use that address ;)
[15:25] < _NULL_> daja77: bll :p
[15:26] < daja77> I finally made it, _NULL_ hates me ;)
[15:29] < blindcoder> hehe, that's not too hard to accomplish
[15:29] < daja77> blindcoder: ack
[15:29] < kasc> daja77: when you kill that dealer, could you send me some of his tea afterwards? :)
[15:30] < daja77> kasc: do you think that if I kill a dealer who has tea I don't like, you'll like his teas?
[15:30] < kasc> so thats a 'yes'? :)
[15:31] < daja77> hmm, I could give him your address instead of killing him
[15:34] < kasc> i did not intend paying anything...
[15:35] < kasc> just want his teas ;)
[15:35] < daja77> ic, ok that'll be the deal ;)
[15:36] < kasc> :)
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[16:01] < blindcoder> ah well, I'l go dancing. Can still go somewhere else if nobody's there.
[16:01] < blindcoder> baba
[16:01] < daja77> have fun blindcoder
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[17:31] < tcr> re all
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[17:59] < tsa> hi all
[18:00] < daja77> hi tsa (from the off...)
[18:01] < tsa> hi daja77
[18:03] < _NULL_> hi tsa
[18:04] < tsa> hi owl
[18:04] < tsa> hm...
[18:04] < tsa> 5-bug-buddy22.err  5-galeon12.err  5-gnomemm-all20.err  5-sylpheed.err
[18:04] < tsa> 5-cups.err         5-gimp14.err    5-lm_sensors.err     5-tcltk.err
[18:04] < tsa> rxr: ?
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[18:06] < tcr> ??
[18:06] < tsa> hm...
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[18:08] < kasc> re
[18:08] < tsa> hi kasc
[18:09] < kasc> hi tsa
[18:10]   tcr is taking a shower
[18:10] < tcr> brr, tomorrow monday again >:/
[18:12] < mnemoc> do you chat while taking a shower?
[18:13] < tcr> Yes, you don't?
[18:13] < mnemoc> my computer is not waterproof :(
[18:14] < tcr> Well, speech recognising software and text reading software ;)
[18:14] < tcr> Eh, no I'm not yet showering
[18:15] < mnemoc> :>
[18:16] < tcr> It's kinda great idea though... might be a test worth
[18:17] < kasc> wouldnt work
[18:17] < tcr> yeah the bursting of the douche...
[18:17] < kasc> its more the noise it makes. it should work when having a bath, tho
[18:18] < tcr> Yup I'm talking bout the noise
[18:18] < tcr> nevertheless, I'm away now
[18:43] < tcr> tsa: Argh.
[18:46] < tcr> tsa: here?
[18:56] < tsa> yes
[18:57] < tcr> tsa: that subversion thing is a temporary test
[18:58] < tcr> tsa: to find out if it might be a replacement for CVS in close future
[18:59] < mnemoc> but svn tree is more 'up-to-date' than cvs' one
[18:59] < tcr> No, there's not 'a svn tree', there's only an 'rxr's private svn tree' (well, if I understood him correctly, that's it)
[19:00] < mnemoc> rxr's private tree is more stable than cvs' one ;)
[19:01] < tcr> that will change when rxr sends his weekly(?) changes to clifford
[19:02] < tcr> tsa: nevermind, it's not bad that you brought that topic up -- it has to be discussed anyway
[19:08] < mnemoc> i think, at least, rene shall have write access
[19:11] < tcr> None except for the maintainer (and a possible co-maintainer) should have write access. Decent RCSs are capable of that and doesn't limit all other developer
[19:12] < tcr> developers
[19:13] < tcr> CVS does _not_ grant that. I don't know about subversion
[19:15] < mnemoc> can't you give access to just one directory?
[19:16] < tcr> Well the point is rather that it makes maintaining a bit harder, well that means for clifford's perceiption
[19:17] < tcr> He wants to keep on track of everything...
[19:17] < tcr> ...and wants to have his hand over everything
[19:18] < mnemoc> :|
[19:18] < tcr> a I-determine-what-gets-in-and-what-not-man
[19:19] < mnemoc> it's his 'toy'
[19:19] < tcr> I share that with him however ;)
[19:19] < mnemoc> :> .. avoid chaos
[19:20] < mnemoc> BBL..
[19:20]   mnemoc is away [log:off] [pager:off] : [ lunch ]
[19:20] < tcr> Yup. Do you know how it's managed with the kernel and bk?
[19:20] < tcr> bon appettite
[19:20] < tcr> -t
[19:54] < rxr> tcr: I send daily changes ;-)
[19:54] < rxr> re btw ;-)
[19:54] < daja77> re rxr
[19:55] < rxr> the svn thing is the preparation for the stable tree maintained by me ...
[19:55] < rxr> so it is semi-official
[19:57] < daja77> does this mean that rock really will have a stable and unstable tree instead of two unstable ones?
[19:57] < tcr> rxr: aegis looks really appetizing tho... did you take a look already?
[19:58] < rxr> tcr: only briefly.
[19:58] < tcr> rxr: spend the 15mins and read trough chapter 2 of the user guide
[19:59] < tcr> rxr: I'd explain it to you, but it's quite complex and I'm lazy (and as you can read it just yourself, there's no real point in it anyway)
[19:59] < rxr> tcr: ;-) But not within the next days. I have too much to do ...
[19:59] < rxr> tcr: I'll read it - can you remeber me in some days ?
[20:00] < tcr> rxr: Hmm, I might write a mail to the list (as a reply to tsa's mail)
[20:01] < tcr> rxr: and shortly describe within that mail -- but yeah, will remind you
[20:05] < blindcoder> hi all
[20:05] < daja77> hi blindcoder, how was dancing?
[20:06] < blindcoder> dancisg was boring... almost no one was there
[20:06] < _NULL_> hi blindcoder
[20:06] < blindcoder> So I left early and deflorated my new inline Skate Bearings and Tires :)
[20:06] < blindcoder> hi nully :)
[20:07] < tcr> re blindcoder
[20:07] < blindcoder> re tcr
[20:07] < tcr> you nick is so incredibly long >_<
[20:07] < daja77> tcr: tab rulez
[20:07] < blindcoder> tcr: tab-completion?
[20:08] < tcr> Yeah, but long nicks are just unesthetic
[20:09] < daja77> muhahahaha
[20:09] < blindcoder> well, crash was already taken on OPN
[20:09] < Lorini> https://www.kranke-kundin.de.vu/
[20:09] < tcr> If it'd go according to me, no nicks greater than 4 nicks, and should be consisted of the initials of one's name ;)
[20:10] < blindcoder> tcr: luckily you don't have somehting to say about it :D
[20:11]   tcr is the great dictator! unfortunately he lacks on suckers who follow him ;)
[20:11] < daja77> tcr: my initials do not require my standards on nicks
[20:12] < blindcoder> Lorini: your new homepage? :D
[20:12] < tcr> would be funny if one has a name with the initials s, e and x *g*
[20:12] < tcr> or..
[20:13] < tcr> b,o,f and h...
[20:13] < tcr> Bernhard Oliver-Friedrich Haelke or something ;)
[20:13] < daja77> lol
[20:19] < tcr> hmm, anyone knows what's today in tv?
[20:21] < daja77> crap, crap & more crap
[20:21] < blindcoder> a Bug's Life
[20:22] < daja77> blindcoder: ??
[20:22] < blindcoder> daja77: today on TV. A Bug's Life.
[20:22] < blindcoder> Sadly is the best Movie today >_<
[20:22] < daja77> what is it?
[20:22] < blindcoder> Not that I'd watch TV, my parents just told me
[20:22] < blindcoder> It's a full-animated Movie made by Disney IIRC
[20:22] < daja77> hehehe
[20:22] < daja77> *argh*
[20:23] < tcr> Only crap, you're right
[20:23] < tsa> rxr: can you please add cksums to the e17 packages?
[20:24] < tsa> i'm experiencing problems here because the cvs checkout's weren't complete...
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[20:31] < blindcoder> Lorini: hehe, i wwonder if I could do the same by looking through our Hell Desks Call-DB :D
[20:32] < Lorini> do it :)
[20:36] < blindcoder> rxr: do you already have a solutien for perllocal.pod in imagemagick gtk-perl10 and irssi? The one that's present doesn't fix it...
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[20:50] < jhidalgo> hi!, anybody awake ?
[20:51] < blindcoder> nah
[20:51] < thalerim> Partly, yes
[20:51] -!- thalerim is now known as tcr
[20:52] < jhidalgo> ok, I want your recommendation for ldap books, I want to buy one!
[20:59] < tcr> No idea
[21:06] -!- root [~root@222.236-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #rocklinux
[21:07] < root> hi all
[21:07] < tsa> ircing as root is dangerous..
[21:07] < tcr> hi root. Do you know that it's normally not disreable to irc with root?
[21:08]   blindcoder points to root, puzzled betwenn strange look and hearty laughter
[21:08] < root> daja77: hi teacher :)
[21:08] < root> it s wartix
[21:08] < root> okk ll comming back :)
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[21:09] < tcr> blindcoder: how have you finally decided?
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[21:09] < senaxl> ircing as UID==0 is dangerous :)
[21:09] < wartix> well i m back :)
[21:10] < tcr> senaxl: Do I hear an implication of bad experience out of that? ;)
[21:10] < tsa> hi wartix ;)
[21:10] < wartix> hi tsa
[21:10] < _NULL_> re
[21:10] < blindcoder> tcr: strange look:)
[21:11] < wartix> the rocklinux team can teach programming ? or a project for newbie ?
[21:11] < senaxl> franky@lapetus franky $ id root
[21:11] < senaxl> uid=65534(root) gid=65534(root) Gruppen=65534(root)
[21:11] < senaxl> franky@lapetus franky $
[21:11] < senaxl> :)
[21:12] < blindcoder> security by obscurity?
[21:12] < tcr> bofh got 0 ?
[21:12] < senaxl> blindcoder: why?
[21:13] < tcr> wartix: How do you mean?
[21:13] < blindcoder> senaxl: cause root != UID 0
[21:13] < senaxl> blindcoder: where is the problem?
[21:13] < tcr> Well, we must be careful on this!
[21:14] < blindcoder> senaxl: did I say it's a problem?
[21:14] < tcr> 'root' is often just assumed with 'may-do-everything'
[21:14] < senaxl> yes :)
[21:14] < tcr> but here it's just the name for an user
[21:14] < senaxl> ack :)
[21:14] < wartix> tcr : i want to learn programming but i need help or someone for doing a teamproject with me and some other
[21:14] < tcr> and that can be seen as security as obscurity
[21:15] < senaxl> no :)
[21:15] < tcr> by obscurity
[21:15] < wartix> tcr : in first connect i was on root => if u don t configure your client irc he take the nick of your connection
[21:15] < senaxl> why?
[21:15] < tcr> wartix: What language are going to learn?
[21:15] < wartix> c/c++
[21:16] < tcr> wartix: anyway, you should never do anything with root ;)
[21:16] < blindcoder> senaxl: because it's 'only' causing confusion.
[21:16] < senaxl> blindcoder: $ grep "root" /etc/passwd
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[21:16] < holyolli> moin
[21:17] < blindcoder> moin holyolli
[21:17] < holyolli> moin blindcoder
[21:17] < wartix> tcr : i have already some lessons of delphy and pascal
[21:17] < tcr> wartix: Well, then buy a book (or borrow one from your local bibliotheque) read it, do all the tasks within it
[21:17] < _NULL_> hi holyolli !
[21:17] < holyolli> hu _null_
[21:17] < holyolli> hi even
[21:17] < wartix> holyolli : hi
[21:17] < holyolli> hi wartix
[21:17] < tcr> Oh my god, it's the holy olli!
[21:18] < holyolli> *g* hi tcr
[21:18] < tcr> He's so cute in his priest robe!
[21:18] < holyolli> .oO(damn..did i let the webcam switched on...? ;-)
[21:19]   tcr is god. I can see everything everywhere. Heh, yeah you got me right, I'm watching you!
[21:19] < blindcoder> rxr: should I bother sending a patch for irssi gtk-porl10 and imagemagick (perllocal.pod) that uses the postflist hook to remove perllocal.pod from hte flist?
[21:20]   holyolli is just checking ev'ry corner in his room for cams...
[21:20] < wartix> wich p2p did you use for take mp3 under linux  ( napster , winmx , ... like )
[21:20] < tcr> Cold... Colder... even colder...
[21:21] < blindcoder> wartix: I use XMMS to save Radio-Streams to disk
[21:22] < tcr> I go into a music store when I wanna get music ;)))
[21:22] < wartix> lol
[21:22] < tcr> (RIAA is like god, they're watching us too!)
[21:22] < tcr> wartix: I usually use slsk for music
[21:22] < blindcoder> tcr: heh. I'm not going to pay 40 US$ + shipping and handling for a 11-track CD
[21:24]   mnemoc is back [gone:2hrs 4mins 22secs] : [ back ]
[21:24] < tcr> wartix: Has your nick anything to do with some role in Asterix&Obelix? (though the names quite distinguish among different countries)
[21:25] < daja77> tcr: lol, some thought as me
[21:25] < daja77> re btw
[21:26] < wartix> tcr: no  its a young player nick i have made and i hold it originaly " war " for war and "tix" it s a toxic degeasant ( sorry for mi english )
[21:28] < tcr> No problem with your english...
[21:29] < wartix> tcr: slsk work under linux ?
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[21:31] < wartix> hum :)
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[21:31] < holyolli> re...
[21:31] < tsa> hehe
[21:31] < tcr> re wartix, holyolli
[21:31] < tcr> holyolli: Have you found your controlling terminal again?
[21:31] < wartix> someone see the movie " antitrust ?
[21:31] < holyolli> tcr: jepp... ;)
[21:32] < _NULL_> wb holyolli
[21:32] < tcr> No I didn't. I don't go regularly in cinema, at most for lotr
[21:33] < daja77> hi holyolli
[21:33] < daja77> I recently saw "goodbye lenin"
[21:34] < tcr> I wonder if that comes in belgium ;)
[21:35] < daja77> hmm would be good ;)
[21:36] < wartix> tcr : you are not germain ?
[21:36] < tcr> Sure I am
[21:36] < wartix> in belgium ?
[21:37] < tcr> No... that sentence was directed to you actually ;)
[21:37] < tcr> s,directed,related,
[21:38] < tcr> Do you belong to the french speaking or to the flemish speaking people?
[21:38] < wartix> french
[21:39]   tfing waves :)
[21:39] < daja77> hi tfing
[21:39] < tcr> hehe
[21:39] < tfing> hi all
[21:39] < wartix> hi tfing
[21:39] < daja77> bonsoir tfing et wartix ;)
[21:39] < tfing> hehe
[21:40] < wartix> yeah bonsoir
[21:41] < blindcoder> nice... the whole "nikolaus" rep doesn't pass the Para-Check
[21:41] < daja77> wartix: vous avez bien?
[21:41] < tcr> 8)
[21:41] < mnemoc> Para-Check? whats that?
[21:41] < daja77> blindcoder: sounds that you like to hear that?
[21:41] < blindcoder> Paranoia-Checks.
[21:41] < blindcoder> daja77: not really...
[21:41]   tfing suggests daja77 to put ll instead of the v
[21:42] < daja77> tfing: ??
[21:42] < blindcoder> mnemoc: Checks for eample completeness of *.desc and correctness of categories and such things
[21:42] < tcr> daja77: allez ;)
[21:42] < tfing> < daja77> wartix: vous avez bien? <- "vous allez bien" is better :)
[21:42] < mnemoc> thanks :)
[21:42] < daja77> tfing: merci ;)
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[21:44] < daja77> I guess my french is lousy had not much traing since leaving school...
[21:45] < wartix> daja77: it s the same for my english
[21:45] < daja77> hehe good match
[21:45] < tcr> Well, then better never go to france...
[21:46] < tcr> they're quite picky about that
[21:47] < daja77> tcr: nope, they were friendly to me
[21:47] < tcr> That means, if you say something in french in france, it should be gramatically correct and decently spoken
[21:47] < daja77> tcr: no
[21:47]   tfing agrees with daja77
[21:48]   daja77 has been in france several times, and have other experiences than tcr
[21:48] < tcr> It's the fad of frenchmen
[21:49] < tcr> Their language count very much for them, that's so :)
[21:49] < holyolli> cu all
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[21:50] < tcr> bbl
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[21:51] < daja77> tfing, wartix don't listen to tcr, he is weird sometimes
[21:51] < mnemoc> can i do a diff excluding the difference in lines with some patern?
[21:51] < tfing> ^_^
[21:51] < mnemoc> a diff between to diffs ignore the different 'dates'?
[21:52] < wartix> daja77: what do you mean ?
[21:52] < daja77> the things he said about french, I'm wondering if you ever had spoken french in France
[21:53] < wartix> daja77: i m from belgium and i speak french :)
[21:53] < daja77> wartix, I know, but tfing is from france
[21:54] < wartix> daja77 : he originaly comes from sweden => he have some difficult"ies" for speaking french ;)
[21:54] < daja77> lol
[21:55] < daja77> you come from sweden, and tfing is in sweden...
[21:55] < tfing> who comes from sweden ?
[21:55] < wartix> arg i made a mistake :)
[21:55] < wartix> it s tfing
[21:55] < daja77> wartix: ??
[21:56] < tfing> i have some difficulties to speak french !?
[21:56] < wartix> daja77 tcr is from germany
[21:56] < daja77> right
[21:56] < wartix> no sorry y switch tcr and tfing in my mind
[21:56] < tfing> oh :)
[21:56] < daja77> hehe tfing watch out
[21:56] < wartix> ;)
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[21:57] < A-Tui> hi all
[21:57] < daja77> hi A-Tui
[21:57] < A-Tui> hola daja77
[21:58] < A-Tui> how are you?
[21:58] < daja77> disturbed
[21:58] < A-Tui> why?
[21:58] < tsa> hi A-Tui
[21:58] < daja77> to many chats with women today...
[21:58] < daja77> too
[21:59] < A-Tui> hi tsa
[21:59] < A-Tui> daja77: hehe that's good... i think
[21:59] < daja77> not my day, I guess
[21:59] < wartix> hi A-Tui
[21:59] < A-Tui> hi wartix
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[22:00] < A-Tui> daja77: then you now need relax
[22:00] < A-Tui> :)
[22:00] < A-Tui> hola jose
[22:00] < jose> hey guys, what rock has for dns querys ?, I cannot find host, dig, nslookup !
[22:00] < daja77> A-Tui: any hints?
[22:00] < jose> A-Tui: hi!
[22:00] < tsa> bind
[22:00] < daja77> tsa: for queries?
[22:00] < tsa> jose: that's all in the bind package
[22:00] < tsa> daja77: yes. we suck.
[22:01] < A-Tui> daja77: a good book
[22:01] < A-Tui> a good film
[22:01] < daja77> nice idea
[22:01] < A-Tui> i like read phylosophy when i'm disturbed :)
[22:02] < wartix> me i take a girl and after i  m cool :)
[22:02] < daja77> i like reading terry pratchett or something like this when I'm in this mood
[22:02] < daja77> wartix: tell me more...
[22:03] < jose> I like to read some richard stevens book always!
[22:03] < A-Tui> daja77: whatever thing which makes you forgot the world is nice
[22:03] < daja77> jose: hell yeah good stuff
[22:03] < tsa> ACK!
[22:03] < wartix> daja77 : when i m """""bad""" i go get a pretty girl and after i didn t still """bad"""
[22:04] < daja77> wartix: get me one ;)
[22:04] < tsa> hehe
[22:04] < A-Tui> hehe
[22:04] < tsa> daja77: take _NULL_ ;-)
[22:04] < daja77> tsa: no thx
[22:04] < wartix> did you have a cat daja77 it s working too
[22:04] < wartix> lol
[22:05] < jose> who is the hosting bussines here ? or isp ?
[22:05] < daja77> wartix: I don't wanna pets in here, you know
[22:05] < A-Tui> daja77: you don't like pets?
[22:05] < jose> A-Tui: ya te hicieron el examen ?
[22:05] < wartix> daja77 : what does pets mean ?
[22:05] < daja77> A-Tui: not really
[22:05] < A-Tui> jose: aun no, estoy en ello, he de entregarlas el 10 de Mayo
[22:05] < daja77> wartix: animals which you have in the house
[22:06] < A-Tui> i love cats
[22:06] < daja77> I sort of like them too, but don't wanna have one
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[22:06] < wartix> daja77: put a cup of milk out and be quick :)
[22:07] < daja77> hmmm have some sour mild over...
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[22:09] < daja77> wb Lorini
[22:09] < jose> esden: are you awake ?
[22:12] < daja77> wartix: where do you live in belgium?
[22:12] < wartix> daja77: i born in namur and now i m near marche
[22:13] < daja77> marche, never heard of it
[22:13] < wartix> laroche ?
[22:13] < daja77> no
[22:13] < wartix> in luxembourg in ardenne
[22:13] < daja77> ah ic
[22:13] < daja77> do you know ruddur?
[22:14] < _NULL_> tsa:  *kick*
[22:14] < tsa> hehe
[22:14] < wartix> daja77 rudur no in wich country
[22:14] < daja77> belgium
[22:15] < wartix> daja77 in flandre ?
[22:15] < daja77> charleroi
[22:15] < wartix> daja77 no didn t know
[22:15] < A-Tui> hehe in the freedos web, there is an option to choose USA Spanish? Which spanish is that?
[22:15] < daja77> he didn't show up recently
[22:16] < _NULL_> tsa: becaus of you're enyoing it you will be moved to /dev/hell
[22:16] < tsa> .oO( still better than getting moved to /dev/_NULL_ )
[22:16] < wartix> daja77 : rudur = nick ?
[22:16] < daja77> yepp, https://www.ruddur.net ;)
[22:17] < wartix> daja77 did you play cs ?
[22:17] < daja77> nope
[22:17] < _NULL_> tsa: :p
[22:18] < daja77> A-Tui: american spanish ;)
[22:18] < A-Tui> hehe but not USA :)
[22:18] < wartix> i want to install rock linux but i have heavy problem whith devfs nanming device where can i found doc ?
[22:19] < daja77> wartix: which device?
[22:19] < jose> wartix: you can use ln over /dev/ :]
[22:19] < wartix> usb modem and mouse
[22:21] < daja77> they'll appear automatically when used
[22:21] < wartix> ok will earase xp partition and forget simplicity :)
[22:22] < daja77> simplicity, windows in one sentence, strange
[22:22] < wartix> lol
[22:23] < wartix> daja77 i m a noobzor in linux so ...
[22:23] < daja77> wartix: never mind, you'll get it
[22:23] < jose> *: how can i transfer zones with dig!?, I can't remember!
[22:24] < tfing> jose: host -l ?
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[22:27] < mnemoc> can i do a diff excluding the difference in lines with some patern? (ignore date difference for example)
[22:28] < daja77> Mike1: ping
[22:29] < tfing> costa rica is far away, ping takes a lot of time :)
[22:29] < wartix> :)
[22:30] < daja77> yeah seems to be so
[22:30] < wartix> ll going to sleep bye all see u tomorow
[22:30] < tfing> he has idle for 22h too :)
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[22:30] < daja77> wartix: gn8
[22:30] < daja77> damn
[22:30] < jose> !ping
[22:31] < jose> mnemoc: --line-format maybe!, or you will need some tee's, sed's and grep's !
[22:32] < mnemoc> i'll read about --line-format :)
[22:32] < jose> tfing: I don't think I've slow connection!
[22:33] < tfing> jose: that was just a joke of Mike1 not responding ;)
[22:33] < jose> tfing: ok!   CTCP PING reply from tfing: 1.003 seconds
[22:34] >>> [~mnemoc@200.75.27.13] requested CTCP PING from #rocklinux: 1051475717
[22:35] < jose> mnemoc: you see!, I'm not slow!
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[22:49] < _NULL_> mnemoc: ?
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[22:54] < mnemoc> _NULL_ ?
[22:54] < _NULL_> why did you ctcp pinged my?
[22:54] < _NULL_> me
[22:55] < mnemoc> jose was talking about pings and i ping the channel.. sorry to bother you
[22:55] < _NULL_> ah so
[22:55] < _NULL_> ok.
[22:55] < mnemoc> :)
[23:00] < _NULL_> <-- sleeping. gn8
[23:00] < mnemoc> nights
[23:00] < daja77> gn8 _NULL_
[23:03] < A-Tui> cu later, i'm goint to test a FreeDos boot floopy
[23:03] -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable87a195.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("GNU's not UniX")
[23:06] < esden> hi all
[23:06] < daja77> hi esden
[23:06] < mnemoc> hi
[23:07] < daja77> esden: how are you?
[23:08] < tsa> hi esden
[23:10] < esden> I am fine thanks ... I have to dig through my e-mals now ... >_<
[23:10] < rxr> hi all hi esden
[23:10]   daja77 should have too, don't wanna
[23:11] < daja77> re rxr ;)
[23:12] < tsa> hi esden, rxr
[23:15] < daja77> what do you think should I buy one of those used machines, for fun?
[23:15] < daja77> >eine HP9000/710 mit 64MB RAM (Parity), 50MHz PA-RISC CPU,
[23:15] < daja77> >1GB SCSI HDD, Caddy-CDROM, HIL-Tastatur und Maus,
[23:15] < daja77> >onboard: SCSI, Sound, Ethernet, Grafik.
[23:15] < daja77> and
[23:15] < daja77> >40MHz SuperSPARC (II?) -CPU, 32MB RAM (parity), Floppy, 1GB SCSI HDD,
[23:15] < daja77> >onboard: Ethernet, SCSI. SBUS-Grafikkarte, Tastatur, Maus.
[23:16] < tsa> hm..
[23:16] < tsa> which kind of sparc?
[23:16] < daja77> it is a hyundai sparc, sparc2
[23:16] < tsa> how much would it cost?
[23:17] < daja77> I'd have to give a "gebot"
[23:17] < tsa> i see
[23:17] < tsa> you'll probably need an 13w3->vga adaptor
[23:18] < daja77> is it easy to get one?
[23:18] < tsa> for the machine - not more than 30 eur
[23:18] < daja77> ok
[23:18] < tsa> shouldn't be too difficult, but they tend to be somewhat expensive
[23:19] < tsa> paid about 15 eur for mine - before i got a sun CRT ;)
[23:19] < daja77> 30 euro for the sparc machine, ok, and the other one (should run linux as advertised)
[23:20] < tsa> don't know, i'm not familar with hp stuff
[23:20]   daja77 neither
[23:20] < rxr> esden: we need to get rid of the topic
[23:20] < rxr> could you set a usefull one ?
[23:20] < daja77> rxr: why?
[23:22] < rxr> daja77: the 1.5 tree is not that actual / useable ...
[23:22] < daja77> ack
[23:23] < rxr> so the hint to the CVS repository can be removed from the topic
[23:23] < daja77> tsa: this guy is offering an Apple II as well ;)
[23:23] < rxr> maybe s.th. like "ROCK Linux aproaching 2.0 - join now" or s.th.
[23:24] < daja77> oh I forgot one offer
[23:24] < rxr> but I can not set a topic here
[23:24] < tsa> 7topic ROCK Linux aproaching 2.0 - wait for 2.1 at least ;)
[23:24]   tsa giggles
[23:24] < rxr> tsa: huh ?? Why?
[23:24] < tsa> rxr: just kidding..
[23:24] < rxr> 7ignore tsa
[23:24] < tsa> hehe
[23:25] < daja77> what about this one?
[23:25] < daja77> >IBM RS/6000 Modell 41T mit PowerPC 601 (80MHz), 32MB RAM (Parity),
[23:25] < daja77> >2GB SCSI HDD, SCSI CDROM, Floppy, onboard: SCSI, Ethernet.
[23:25] < daja77> >Grafikkarte: PowerGXT 150L (auf eigenem Hochgeschwindigkeitssteckplatz,
[23:25] < daja77> >so eine Art AGP ;), Bussystem: Microchannel (noch gut erweiterbar),
[23:25] < daja77> >fuer Tastatur/Maus sind PS/2-Anschluesse vorhanden.
[23:25] < tsa> 5-bug-buddy22.err  5-ghex12.err         5-gnumeric12.err  5-tcltk.err
[23:25] < tsa> 5-cups.err         5-gimp14.err         5-lm_sensors.err
[23:25] < tsa> 5-galeon12.err     5-gnomemm-all20.err  5-sylpheed.err
[23:25] < tsa> hm..
[23:25] < tsa> build still running
[23:26] < tsa> rxr: just read your mail regarding patches..
[23:26] < tsa> ..is clifford offline or awaay for some time?
[23:26] < rxr> no - but very busy ...
[23:26] < tsa> i see
[23:27] < rxr> so currently I do not know if it helps when I apply all - or if it makes merging harder ...
[23:27] < esden> urgh ... that are many mails >_<
[23:28] < daja77> around 160 for me
[23:28] < rxr> esden: could you set a nicer topic here?
[23:29] < daja77> tsa: forget about the last one, it is aix only
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[23:32] < tsa> rxr: short question - gcc 3.2.3 for ROCK 2.0?
[23:32] < tsa> or better keep the tree stable?
[23:33] < tfing> tsa: i think he wrote about using 3.3
[23:33] < tsa> i see.
[23:34] < daja77> wb A-Tui
[23:34] -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ
[23:34] < tfing> |"For the desktop target I plan to use
[23:34] < tfing> |3.3 for the final release, but the current gcc-snapshot does not like
[23:35] < tfing> our cross-compile ... :-("
[23:35] < A-Tui> re daja77
[23:38] -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 )
[23:39] <@esden> that is ok I think
[23:39] -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden
[23:46] < daja77> nice topic
[23:47]   daja77 still wondering how this client managed to set the last topic
[23:49] < mnemoc> "book your copy now!"
[23:51] < esden> hehe ... daja77 ???
[23:52] < daja77> esden: somehow xchat set the last topic, without being me op or something
[23:54] -!- tsa changed the topic of #rocklinux to: huh?
[23:54] -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 )
[23:54] < tsa> hm..
[23:54] < tsa> indeed.
[23:55] < daja77> it is a feature I guess
[23:55] < rxr> jups
[23:55] -!- tsa changed the topic of #rocklinux to: esden: /mode #rocklinux +t
[23:55] -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 )
[23:55] < daja77> I somehow managed it...
[23:55] < daja77> without ever wanting to do this
[23:56] < tsa> esden!
[23:56] < esden> tsa: yaya
[23:56] < tsa> ;)
[23:56] -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ
[23:56] -!- mode/#rocklinux [+t] by esden
[23:56] <@esden> tsa: better ?
[23:56] < tsa> --- #rocklinux :You need to be a channel operator to do that
[23:56] < tsa> good.
[23:57] < tsa> thx
[23:57] <@esden> puhh
[23:58] -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 )
[23:58] <@esden> humm ...
[23:58] -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o tsa] by esden
[23:58] -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o tsa] by ChanServ
[23:58] <@esden> hehe nice
[23:58] < tsa> :-P
[23:58] <@esden> :P
[23:58]   tsa removes life operator status from esden
[23:59] <@esden> muahaha ... now I am a zombie
[23:59] < daja77> what does +t mean
[23:59] < rxr> I'm allready at "Revision 28" in my svn tree ;-)
[23:59] < tsa> daja77: topic may only be changed by chennel operators
[23:59] < tsa> s,e,a,
-!- Irrsi  Log closed Mon Apr 28 00:00:20 2003