-!- Irrsi  Log opened Wed Apr 30 00:00:01 2003
-!- Irrsi  Day changed Wed Apr 30 2003
[00:00] < armijn> well...I don't care that much really :)
[00:00] < armijn> it's midnight, time for bed
[00:00] < daja77> sure, you don't
[00:00] < daja77> armijn: bye
[00:00] < armijn> cu
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[00:01] < rxr> oh - just wanted to post "hi armijn" ... :-(
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[00:01] < armijn> hi rxr
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[00:01] < Mike1> hehe
[00:02] < Mike1> rxr: i couldn't resist to quote you :)
[00:03] < rxr> ;-)
[00:03] < Mike1> :)
[00:06] < rxr> hm - koffice still building - I really need a new box :-(
[00:06] < rxr> but at least the package seems to be in place now ;-)
[00:09] < rxr> hm linux-2.4.21-rc2 seems to got out tomorrow ;-)
[00:09] < Be-El> finally...smpeg and openal fixed....
[00:11] < daja77> suif sucks like hell
[00:12] < daja77> ahem never mind, just had to mention it somewhere
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[00:43] < ringo78> When will there be another stable rock ?
[00:43] < Mike1> ringo78: ask rxr he is the stable maintainer
[00:44] < ringo78> rxr: When will there be another stable rock ?
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[00:46] < rxr> you mean 2.0 or a new ISO ?
[00:46] < Mike1> 2.0
[00:46] < rxr> I plan to have 2.0 ready next month
[00:47] < Mike1> no exact dates yet my friend?
[00:47] < rxr> 2.0-beta is here on my disk - but needs more testing before release
[00:47] < rxr> new build already running ...
[00:47] < rxr> Mike1: there is too much to do ... so no exact date
[00:47] < ringo78> rxr: looking forward to it.
[00:47] < Mike1> rxr: okis.
[00:47] < rxr> but if people would start more testing and bug-fixing, too we will get to it earlier ...
[00:48] < ringo78> rxr: What do I do ? CVS and start building?
[00:56] < tsa> rxr: more people testing will get more bugs found and fixed.
[00:57] < tsa> release -rc1 soon, as that will probably attract people soon
[01:04] < rxr> ringo78: yes - or uee my subversion tree
[01:04] < rxr> normally slightly newer incl. latest bug fixes ;-)
[01:04] < Mike1> rxr so it is not available on rsync anymore?!?
[01:04] < rxr> tsa: nope - Clifford even mentioned some "a stable should be ROCK stable" thing last time we spoke
[01:05] < rxr> he would like the thing to be really really really tested ...
[01:05] < esden> good evening
[01:05] < rxr> so next is beta ;-) (I now too much that needs fixing ...)
[01:05] < rxr> hi esden
[01:05]   esden is drunk ... once more ;-)
[01:05] < esden> the university cinema is something really cool ;-)
[01:06] < esden> and m4 is ill ;-)
[01:06] < daja77> hi esden, which movie you watched?
[01:06] < daja77> esden: ack
[01:06] < esden> it was a double feature ... blade 1 and 2
[01:06] < rxr> esden: ACK
[01:06] < Mike1> esden: so too much blood gort you drunk?
[01:06] < Mike1> -r
[01:07] < esden> but I have some ideas how to make the kernel configuration more sane ... I came to the idea while I was not drunk so no worry ;-)
[01:07] < ringo78> Great idea getting some rum.
[01:07] < esden> Mike1: no too much beer and whisky ;-)
[01:07] < daja77> hmm whisky...
[01:07] < Mike1> hehe wisky rulez :)
[01:07]   esden loves whisky ;-)
[01:07]   daja77 too
[01:07] < tsa> rxr: i don't mind whatever you call it, as long as it will attract people to do builds..
[01:08] < Mike1> whisky*
[01:08] < ringo78> Thai rum real cheap ;-)
[01:08] < esden> tsa: it will only attract people taking a look at the sources ;-)
[01:08] < esden> ringo78: give it to me ;-)
[01:08] < tsa> esden: call it "getoo crusher", then.. ;-)
[01:08] < tsa> gentoo even
[01:09] < tsa> i really don't care.
[01:10] < tsa> a "_NULL_" release, perhaps..
[01:10] < tsa> ..i don't know.
[01:10] < esden> tsa: I will not make the cleaning for you ... but for me ... and other people that have to look in the code ;-)
[01:10] < tsa> hehe
[01:13] < daja77> WEEE script finished, daja --> bed
[01:14] < esden> good night daja77
[01:14] < daja77> gn8
[01:14] < esden> have a nice sleep ... and dream something nice ;-)
[01:14] < rxr> tsa: hm - we should need to fix many bugs until we do more PR - otherwise new people might be to annoyed ...
[01:14] < rxr> (see the many bugs listed at the dRock-2.0.0 site ...
[01:14] < rxr> =
[01:14] < daja77> esden: hehe, if you not appear in my dreams...
[01:14] < rxr> argh ... _)_
[01:14] < esden> daja77: :P
[01:15] < esden> rxr: FULL ACK
[01:17] < rxr> but when we have the 2.0 (in a month) I plan to do much PR like iX, Linux Magazin (de and us) ...
[01:17] < rxr> maybe even /. (but this might crash clifss main server - or will it sustain such a load ?)
[01:17] < esden> i do not think so ...
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[01:17] < A-Tui> hi
[01:18] < esden> we should move the main server somewhere wher the bandwith is bigger ...
[01:18] < esden> hi A-Tui
[01:18] < A-Tui> hola esden
[01:18] < daja77> A-Tui: hi & bye
[01:18] < esden> so that it does not get slashdotted ...
[01:18] < rxr> esden: or for the /. URL we use the mirror on sourceforge.net ;-)
[01:18] < A-Tui> bye daja
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[01:18] < esden> rxr: that is also a solution
[01:18]   daja77 could do the ./ annoucement...
[01:19] < rxr> ./ or /. ? ;-)
[01:19] < esden> but before that we need a lot of testing and bugfixing so that we are sure that new people do not go away directly after the first test
[01:20] < rxr> jups big ACK
[01:20] < A-Tui> what are you talking about?
[01:20] < esden> that means that we have to test building on other distributions like RH, susi and debian
[01:20] < rxr> this is why we have no 2.0 yet *g*
[01:20] < rxr> esden: oh - not this is not a release creterium
[01:20] < A-Tui> about ROCK release?
[01:20] < daja77> rxr: slashdot of course
[01:20] < rxr> this will not be done before 2.1 !!!
[01:20] < esden> but that is importaint for the newcomers ...
[01:21] < rxr> 2.0 will be out when the binary results are useable
[01:21] < esden> so we need a testiso ... on which people can build rock
[01:21] < rxr> the people which wanna do build can install ROCK first ...
[01:21] < daja77> esden: I could write a little howto on how to compile it under rh
[01:21] < rxr> or use the livecd target when it is ready till then
[01:21] < rxr> daja77: go!
[01:21] < esden> ok .. that is also a possibility ... but then we only can announce it saying that binary dists are usable but not the build system ... that is only _really_ usable on a rock system
[01:21] < rxr> should get into the next Rolling ROCK ;-)
[01:22] < esden> daja77: that would be VERY nice
[01:22] < rxr> esden: the problem are the other crappy broken f**ked up dists ...
[01:22] < rxr> not our build system ...
[01:22] < esden> how far are we with the host system sanity check stuff?
[01:23] < esden> rxr: ACK ... but at least we need howto's that describe how to build rock on other systems
[01:23] < daja77> rxr, esden, okis will do tomorrow (today but later ;)
[01:24] < esden> that are not really bugs in rocklinux ... but at least we should check the required stuff and tell the "user" what is missing/wrong so he/she can fix it
[01:24] < esden> and get rock build on that platforms
[01:24] < daja77> so now i'm really off
[01:24] < esden> gn8 daja77 do not forget the howto ;-)
[01:25] < daja77> ok ;)
[01:26] < esden> ahh clifford sent the mail about 1.6 nice
[01:26] < Mike1> .
[01:26] < esden> Mike1: ?
[01:27] -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ
[01:27] < Mike1> esden: are you going to keep me again?
[01:28] -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux 1.5/1.6 is depricated please use 1.7 instead : ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 )
[01:28] <@esden> Mike1: NOPE
[01:28] -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden
[01:28] < Mike1> s/keep/kick even.
[01:28] < esden> Mike1: no way ... why should I ?
[01:29] < Mike1> for fun maybe?
[01:29] < esden> *headshake*
[01:29]   Mike1 reads topic..
[01:29] -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ
[01:29] -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux 1.5/1.6 is depricated please use 1.7/2.0 instead : ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@clifford.homedns.org:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7 )
[01:29]   Mike1 will not express his opinion about it.
[01:30] -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden
[01:30] < esden> Mike1: why?
[01:31] < Mike1> you really don't want to know.
[01:31] < mnemoc> that was worst than say it :)
[01:31] < Mike1> mnemoc: hehe
[01:32] < Mike1> ok, even if there was no progress because the maintainer was away, it is a humilliation for of _US_ whom worked on trying to get it to stable
[01:33] < Mike1> but never had the authority or power how everu wanna call it, to take over the whole tree and take decitions and make releases
[01:34] < esden> but now it is to late to change the maintainer of the tree ... 2.0 is in front of the door ...
[01:34] < esden> it is a late action ... but the best that can be done in the current situation if you ask me
[01:34] < Mike1> 1.5/1.6 was a catastrophe, but it could have been fixed a long time ago when we (the other developers), including me and pjotr prins, expressed our selves
[01:35] < Mike1> we asked Clifford to help us make a decition
[01:35] < Mike1> to define a coomaintainer, anything
[01:35] < Mike1> but never got any response for our petitions of help
[01:36] < Mike1> and since nothing was done, when we actully rook some decitions, the maintainer aka huebi came back and removed all of our work
[01:36] < Mike1> so why give a sh*t about 1.5/1.6 this late?
[01:36] < Mike1> why now?
[01:36] < Mike1> i better shut.
[01:37] < esden> I know understand your worries ...
[01:37] < esden> I can also understand that you and some others are upset
[01:38] < esden> but still I have to say that no better action can be taken now
[01:38] < Mike1> esden: what i mean, Cliff didn't come back to us when we actually asked him for help, when we were decited to make a solution, to work as team and get it _stable_
[01:38] < rxr> Mike1: I never saw such emails - maybe Cliff was too busy - maybe he did not wanted to force s.th. - maybe he simply watned a community decision
[01:39] < Mike1> rxr such mails were discussed on the rock-1.6 developers mailing loits, but cc'ed to cliff directly
[01:39] < rxr> how could cliff saw this - he only got two or three mails - no open discussion on the rock-linux list
[01:39] < rxr> Cliff even opened an Vienna hack-even to get the stable tree on track
[01:39] < Mike1> we were forced to make such list for the constant problmes between stable and devlopment teams back then
[01:39] < rxr> huebi agreed to all the points - but nothing happend ...
[01:40]   esden was also there in vienna and can approve that
[01:40] < Mike1> rxr: believe me there was such discussion, but was made only with cliff and rock-1.6 developers
[01:40] < rxr> Mike1: one more point! We said so many times "don't do this" and not only huebie but other devels too, said "we need this"
[01:40] < tsa> n8
[01:40] < Mike1> n8 tsa
[01:41] < esden> n8 tsa
[01:41] < rxr> how could Cliff see that also the others devels working on 1.5 where unhappy
[01:41] < rxr> n8 tsa
[01:41] < Mike1> we were unhappy with the management
[01:41] < Mike1> but decided to get the tree working
[01:41] < rxr> you even introduced a rock-1.5 list not on rocklinux.org ...
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[01:41] < Mike1> all what we needed was more "authority
[01:42] < rxr> anyway let's work on a better future - you are all invited
[01:42] < Mike1> rxr: yes thats true, we did a seperate mailing list because as i just said there huge fights between stable and devel tree's
[01:42] < rxr> btw: I have not gotten the mail you all speak about - what is it's ID or subject ?
[01:42] < Mike1> rxr: i can even remeber you and pj with the sf packages..
[01:43] < rxr> Mike1: you still don't get it: This was no fight - but annoyence that 1.6 takes the wrong path - and the 1.5 people simply moved away! From this action I could not get that the 1.5 people need _more_ authority ...
[01:43] < Mike1> rxr the mail was sent to the private rock-1.5 tree and to clifford him self only, as we knew there would be fights if it was sent to the official list as well as bad reputation
[01:43] < rxr> Mike1: this was not a 1.5 issue ...
[01:44] < rxr> And I spend many nights fixing them - nearly alone ...
[01:44] < rxr> Mike1: no I meant the mail from today ...
[01:44] < Mike1> rxr: ah.
[01:44] < Mike1> mom i show you
[01:45] < Mike1> https://www.rocklinux.org/mailing-list/rock-linux/2003-4/640.html
[01:45] < esden> guys .. I think discussing old stuff is leading to nothing ... we should concentrate on the future and make it better ...
[01:45] < Mike1> esden: yes maybe you are right
[01:45] < Mike1> rxr: btw i hope this is not a "fight".
[01:46] < esden> 1.6 was a disaster and I think that everyone can approve that ... and we hopefully learned something from it ...
[01:46] < esden> now we have to do it a better way ...
[01:46] < Mike1> esden: a lot was learned from it.
[01:47] < esden> I think every project that is growing has to make mistakes one time so that they do not happen in the future ...
[01:47] < esden> I think that _WE_ will make it better in the future
[01:48] < Mike1> yes
[01:48] < esden> now noone should give up ... but work harder and communicate with others in a better way so that something like this does not happen another time ...
[01:49] < Mike1> yeah.
[01:49] < rxr> Mike1: no this is not a fight - I simply do not know how we should have seen that the 1.5 devels are unhappy ...
[01:50] < rxr> so - now conentrating on the futue ;-)
[01:50] < Mike1> rxr: yes, you and esden are right
[01:50]   rxr why can't this damn dual box boot my CDs ... *wonder* *kick*
[01:50] < esden> rxr: I have known about it ... but I did not know how to express it ... and to which person ...
[01:51] < esden> ok ... I think the topic is finished ...
[01:51] < rxr> ;-)
[01:51] < esden> I have now the possibility to choose between going to bed or hacking a bit on m4 ;-)
[01:51] < esden> s/on/in/
[01:51] < rxr> ough - and koffice still compiling ...
[01:52] < rxr> I need a new box ........
[01:52] < esden> what targets are you compiling currently?
[01:52] < esden> rxr: not only you needs a faster box ... >_<
[01:52] < Mike1> rxr: you don't need a new box, you need a cluster
[01:52] < Mike1> or an smp box
[01:52] < esden> Mike1: no ... a cray ;-)
[01:52] < mnemoc> none of you takes 6 hours building linux24 :)
[01:53] < esden> mnemoc: noone of us is so hard as you are ;-)
[01:53] < Mike1> mnemoc: thats 1/3 of my whole buildtime
[01:53] < mnemoc> =)
[01:53] < Mike1> esden: mnemoc is not hard, just insane
[01:53] < mnemoc> :(
[01:53] < rxr> hm - shit gigabyte doesn't seem to have bioses for i 430 HX bords anymore :-(
[01:53] < esden> Mike1: ROFL
[01:53] < Mike1> mnemoc: just kidding :PP
[01:53] < mnemoc> i know ;-)
[01:54] < Mike1> rxr: what about openbios?
[01:54] < rxr> hm - the box is unstable now - and doesn't want to boot from CD - I do not think this will improve with open bios :-(
[01:55] < Mike1> rxr: :((
[01:55] < Mike1> rxr: floppies?
[01:55] < Mike1> *vbeg*
[01:55] < Mike1> mnemoc: btw is good to see you doing some talking, you are oftenly too shy, almost like ringo78
[01:56] < esden> Mike1: ACK
[01:56]   esden updating the developer gallery
[01:56] < rxr> hm giga-byte is strange
[01:57] < rxr> the web-server does not allow directory listings
[01:57] < rxr> and the ftp server refuses to connect ...
[01:57] < Mike1> esden: i need you to change some info of my on it
[01:57] < ringo78> ?
[01:57] < Mike1> hi ringo78 welcome
[01:58] < mnemoc> Mike1: i can't intervine too much if i take a whole screen in writing one line
[01:58] < ringo78> hello me reader ...
[01:58] < Mike1> lol
[01:58] < Mike1> mnemoc: why a whole screen?
[01:59] < esden> Dan Kegel really has a problem >_<
[01:59] < mnemoc> when you are discussing... i miss the line i want to answer before ending to write
[01:59] < rxr> https://www.prolib.com/wwwpub/mother/gigabyte/super7/430hx.htm
[01:59] < rxr> :-(
[01:59] < mnemoc> not just my box is slow :-\
[01:59] < esden> Mike1: send me an email ;-)
[02:00] < Mike1> esden: why not just in query?
[02:00] < Mike1> mnemoc: btw what are you waiting for? your head is wanted in the rock linux developers gallery
[02:00] < mnemoc> i don't have any damn picture of me :(
[02:00] < esden> mnemoc: send me an image of your face ... !!!
[02:01] < esden> mnemoc: then make one
[02:01] < esden> but fast!!!
[02:01] < mnemoc> i'll scan and oldone... just to test
[02:02] < Mike1> mnemoc: else we will put an ugly face :)
[02:02] < mnemoc> :P
[02:02] < esden> mnemoc: send me an old one ... but send me one ... later you can send me a newer when you have one
[02:02] < mnemoc> i'll have to scan my head
[02:03] < Mike1> mnemoc: so do it
[02:03] < mnemoc> good point... as usual
[02:03] < esden> mnemoc: put your face on the scanner and scan it ;-)
[02:05] < rxr> hm
[02:05] < rxr> Supports Pentium processor, POPDP running at 75-200 MHz, Cyrix 6x86, and AMD 5k86 Processor.
[02:05] < rxr> Support Dual 321 Pins (Socket 7) ZIF white socket on board, and Dual POWER (2.8V/3.3V) Processor.
[02:05] < rxr> do fall 2 233 Mhz MMX CPUs into this range ?!?
[02:07] < esden> mnemoc: chile is where? excuse me but my brain is not really functional at the moment ;-)
[02:07] < esden> besides copying stuff
[02:11] < Mike1> esden: i feel so damn proud to be on top, so make sure you read the last names properly
[02:11] < Mike1> :)
[02:13] < ringo78> Why do I get a segfault when I do "mine -i -R /target *.gem" ?
[02:14] < rxr> ringo78: hm - you shouldn't - which mine version? Could you provide a backtrace ?
[02:14] < rxr> hm - the old dual box seems to have the latest bios :-(
[02:15] < Mike1> rxr: can't you boot from floppies??
[02:16] < esden> Mike1: O_o
[02:16] < mnemoc> esden: chile is the south-western edge of america
[02:17] < rxr> Mike1: don't now (has no floppy - maybe this is the problem for CD booting ?) - but I want to test the 2.0.0-beta ISO not some floppy disks ...
[02:18] < Mike1> rxr: mm..
[02:18] < Mike1> you can specify so on the bios?
[02:18] < Mike1> or not?
[02:19] < rxr> "so on the bios" - you mean to boot from CD ?
[02:19] < Mike1> yes
[02:20] < Mike1> yes you can you tell it to use cdrom as the first device to boot?
[02:20] < rxr> sure
[02:20] < rxr> it even tries and prints "faild" ...
[02:20] < rxr> +e
[02:20] < Mike1> ok so maybe it or hardware fail, or that the speed that you burned the cd at, doesn't let the cdrom read it
[02:20] < Mike1> don't ask it has heepened to me
[02:22] < rxr> hm unlikely - I tried a 2.0.0-beta CD-RW _and_ the old 2.0.0-TechPrev2 from CD-R ...
[02:22] < Mike1> mmm... weird!
[02:22] < Mike1> so it might the cdrom itself
[02:22] < rxr> maybe it is the missing floppy - many bios' have problems with this - either freeze or fail ... :-(
[02:22] < rxr> no - it worked some days ago in my fathers box ...
[02:23] < Mike1> mm..
[02:23] < Mike1> why don't you put on a different one just in case
[02:23] < rxr> I'll continue testing tomorrow (stupid hardware - long live the working ROCK Linux ;-)
[02:23] < Mike1> i mean you won't loose anything by trying
[02:23] < rxr> Mike1: I di not have too many ... ;-)
[02:23] < Mike1> hehe
[02:23] < esden> mnemoc: check your data in the gallery please ...
[02:23] < Mike1> i would borrow you one if you were here
[02:23] < esden> you should be there already
[02:24] < rxr> I first tried with my external SCSI tower (incl 2 CDROMs) some weaks ago
[02:24] < rxr> I thought the SCSI bios is too dump
[02:24] < rxr> so now I tried the IDE CD ...
[02:24] < Mike1> this is really weird
[02:24] < rxr> but anyway - maybe I'll take vmware tomorrow (currently it doesn't like my kernel) or get some other box to boot tomorrow ...
[02:24] < rxr> cu
[02:24] < rxr> n8 to all
[02:25] < ringo78> n8 rxr
[02:25] < rxr> oh and koffice is still building .... - falling asleep ...
[02:27] < esden> ok ... gallery updated
[02:28] < ringo78> I think *.gem expands to to large cmdline...
[02:28] < esden> ok ... smoking another tabac bar ;-)
[02:28] < Mike1> n8 Ren
[02:28] < esden> n8 rxr
[02:28] < Mike1> also i am off
[02:28]   Mike1 going to chruch
[02:28] < Mike1> cu all
[02:28] < ringo78> by Mike1
[02:29] < esden> Mike1: please pray for me ...
[02:29] < rxr> esden: when you are at it - gallery lists a 1.6 maintainer ...
[02:30] < esden> hmm ... what should I change there?
[02:30] < esden> should I remove that?
[02:30] < Mike1> rxr: add the 2.0 maintainer
[02:31] < mnemoc> esden: i born in Santiago .... and got a 'picture'... but... is old and with tie :\
[02:31] < esden> np ... send it !!!
[02:31] < Mike1> mnemoc: send it we all wann see you in tie :P
[02:32]   Mike1 gone now for real
[02:32] < rxr> esden: hm dunno - maybe "maintained the deprecated 1.6 tree" ...
[02:32]   rxr sleeping now for dreams ;-)
[02:32] < mnemoc> :(
[02:32] < esden> rxr: lool
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[02:34] < esden> mnemoc: come on ... do it ... otherwise I will come by ;-) ... and I do not think that you want that ;-)
[02:35] < mnemoc> i'll ask my wife ;)
[02:35] < esden> urgh ... when I search for esden on google I get 10 pages >_<
[02:35] < mnemoc> mom
[02:36] < esden> no ... 4,910 hits >_<
[02:36] < esden> even worse
[02:42] < ringo78> n8 alle
[02:44] < esden> n8 ringo78
[02:44] < mnemoc> png or jpg?
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[03:03] < esden> mnemoc: all the images I have there are jpg ... 150x150 pixel
[03:04] < esden> expert hands ... lool
[03:04] < mnemoc> i sent it in that format
[03:05] < mnemoc> i'm quite ... ashamed showing with *that* look, but do not exist is worst ;-)
[03:09] < esden> ok gallery updated
[03:10] < esden> yes not existing at all is worse ;-)
[03:10] < esden> but I think that that picture is nice ...
[03:10] < esden> mnemoc: come by to the next meeting of rock developers and then we make some photo's of you
[03:11] < esden> for example linux tag in karlsruhe ...
[03:11] < esden> or Chaos Communication Camp
[03:11] < esden> or 20c3
[03:11] < mnemoc> mmm....
[03:12] < esden> ahh .. born not changed
[03:12] < mnemoc> i'm from Chile ;)
[03:14] < esden> ok ... now everything should be ok
[03:15] < mnemoc> if i go to there again i'll try to visit one those meetings
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[03:22] < esden> mnemoc: good
[03:22] < esden> ok ... I go to bed ...
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[03:23] < esden> I think that I am not able to produce anything usable today anymore ...
[03:23] < esden> cu l8er
[03:23] < mnemoc> cu...
[03:23] < mnemoc> n8
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[06:57] < blindcoder> moin
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[08:34] < rxr> moin blindcoder
[08:34] < rxr> Updated to revision 71.
[08:45] < blindcoder> moin rxr
[08:46] < blindcoder> rxrdo you already have a solution for gtk-perl10 imagemagick and irssi?
[08:55] < rxr> irssi  fails ? :-(
[08:55] < rxr> I have not taken a look into the others ...
[08:56] < blindcoder> it's the perllocal.pod thing
[08:57] < blindcoder> "just" shared files but the fix in gtk-perl10 and imagegagick doesn't help
[08:58] < rxr> blindcoder: if you have fixes send them over ;-)
[08:58] < rxr> btw: the flists are merged from the old and a new build
[08:59] < blindcoder> I used the postflist hook to remove the perllocal.pod from the flist.txt
[08:59] < blindcoder> but that's not really a clean fix
[08:59] < rxr> so if you remove some files in the packages you will have to rm the packages flist - otherwise the file will not not disapear from the flist
[08:59] < rxr> blindcoder: oh - yeah hack ... ;-)
[09:00] < blindcoder> yeah :(
[09:06]   blindcoder now getting sew sources after cvs up
[09:21] < _NULL_> good morning
[09:22] < blindcoder> moin nully
[09:22] < _NULL_> blindcoder: do you know when 2.0 will be released (stable)
[09:22] < blindcoder> _NULL_: no.
[09:22] < _NULL_> blindcoder: :-( thx
[09:22] < blindcoder> _NULL_: some time the next months
[09:23] < _NULL_> the next months?
[09:23] < _NULL_> uff.. not just some weeks?
[09:24] < blindcoder> I don't know... maybe rxr can say more about ' possible timeframe
[09:25] < _NULL_> rxr: do you know it? ;)
[09:44] < rxr> I plan to do so next month
[09:45] < rxr> so max four weeks ...
[09:45] < rxr> why are you show interest _NULL_ ?
[09:45] < _NULL_> rxr: because i want to use this stable tree to fork...
[09:45] < _NULL_> thx. btw
[09:46] < kasc> looks like i have enough time to add some more games then
[09:46] < kasc> moin, btw
[09:46] < _NULL_> kasc: hi
[09:47] < _NULL_> rxr: for your tree i need to use rsync, don't i?
[09:57] < rxr> no subversion
[09:57] < rxr> but currently cliffs and my tree are very close (only some lines) so you could also do a cvs checkout
[09:57] < rxr> _NULL_: why do you have to fork ?
[09:57] < _NULL_> rxr: ...
[09:57] < _NULL_> i guess we talked about it...
[09:57] < blindcoder> brb
[10:02] < blindcoder> back
[10:02]   blindcoder now installing mail-bounce
[10:13] < blindcoder> done
[11:08] < esden> good morning
[11:13] < _NULL_> hi esden
[11:16] < kasc> moin esden
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[11:23] < blindcoder> moin esden
[11:25] < esden> moin blindcoder
[11:25] < blindcoder> esden: my money?
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[11:26] < _HulK_> hi there
[11:26] < _HulK_> anyone's up?
[11:26] < blindcoder> nope
[11:27] < _HulK_> hi blind
[11:27] < blindcoder> hi :)
[11:27] < _HulK_> could u suggest me a good web developer tool?
[11:27] < blindcoder> vim
[11:27] < _HulK_> any other?
[11:27] < blindcoder> no
[11:28] < _HulK_> ok
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[11:34] < rxr> ah the 1.6 mail arrived now ;-)
[11:34] < esden> ok ... answered chris indirect m4 question ;-)
[11:35] < _NULL_> rxr: could you please forward it to my adress? /me needs something to be amused about... and i guess with this mail i will be...
[11:35] < esden> rxr: it arrived yesterday o_O
[11:36] < blindcoder> esden: my money....
[11:36] < esden> urgh
[11:36] < esden> yes ...
[11:36] < blindcoder> yes
[11:36] < esden> but I have 9eur currently on my account
[11:37] < esden> I can pay it tomorrow or so ... when my monthly money is there
[11:37] < _NULL_> you're a rich man, esden
[11:37] < blindcoder> oh... well... then you're only missing a few ones :)
[11:37] < blindcoder> esden: sure. no problem. Just wanted to remind you
[11:37] < esden> ack
[11:38]   blindcoder looking forward to next weeks kernel traffic
[11:43] < esden> hungry ...
[11:44]   blindcoder hands esden one of his co-worker's cookies
[11:44] < esden> thanks
[11:44]   esden putting a pizza in the oven
[11:45] < blindcoder> hehe
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[11:48] < blindcoder> hi Bellyeye
[11:48] < Bellyeye> hi
[11:48] < Bellyeye> just been looking at the web site
[11:48] < Bellyeye> trying to work out how rock fits into the scheme of things
[11:48] < Bellyeye> It seems to concentrate on building a distro CD from source
[11:49] < Bellyeye> but from then onwards . . . .
[11:49] < Bellyeye> installation, package management, etc . .
[11:49] < Bellyeye> I could find nothing
[11:49] < Bellyeye> Is there a maintenance/upgrade strategy?
[11:50] < esden> there is a script for upgrading a system ...
[11:50] < esden> I have never tested it
[11:50] < Bellyeye> upgrading in-place, from sources?
[11:50] < esden> but I upgrade my system using Build-Pkg and it works very well
[11:50] < Bellyeye> OK, something I'm not familiar with
[11:51] < esden> I upgrade from sources
[11:51] < esden> but there are surely others that upgrade from .gem packages (binary packages)
[11:51] < Bellyeye> OK, didn't see anything about .gem either on the website
[11:52] < esden> Bellyeye: I think that you should take a look at this : https://www.rocklinux.org/people/pjotr/guide.download/
[11:52] < Bellyeye> will do, thanks
[11:52] < esden> Bellyeye: that all is very new ... we are in front of 2.0 stable release now ... and documentation will be there ... but it will take some time
[11:54] < esden> gem is described here: https://www.rocklinux.org/people/clifford/GEM-MINE/GEM-MINE
[11:54] < Bellyeye> Dunno how I missed that!
[11:54] < esden> finding information on the web is very difficult ... I have to admit that
[11:54] < esden> but we are working on that ...
[11:55] < esden> or at least thinking about the problem now ;-)
[11:55] < Bellyeye> esden: it's not as difficult as I made out just now ;)
[11:56] < Bellyeye> I was just blind for a few minutes
[11:56] < esden> hehe
[11:57] < Bellyeye> BTW I use Gentoo and Lunar ATM
[11:58] < Bellyeye> But I tend towards the more minimalist stuff like Lunar
[11:59] < esden> I do not know lunar
[11:59] < esden> Bellyeye: It can be that you then like rock too
[11:59] < Bellyeye> I can see strengths in both
[11:59] < Bellyeye> I like the build-your-own CD aspect of Rock, which Lunar does not have
[12:00] < Bellyeye> But I like Lunar's package management, and have even dabbled in the code myself
[12:01] < esden> rock is a distribution build kit ... so you can put in there everything you like ... also other package menagment if you whish
[12:01] < esden> we have currently two package types
[12:02] < esden> simple .tar.gz and .gem ... if you like lunar package menagment then add it to rock ;-)
[12:03] < Bellyeye> I am guessing .tar.gz is binary and .gem is source?
[12:03] < esden> nope both is binary
[12:04] < esden> but gem is a special format that makes acces to package meta data much faster
[12:04] < esden> and easier
[12:04] < Bellyeye> ah, then perhaps the Lunar (based on Sorcerer) approach would add something useful
[12:05] < Bellyeye> AFAICT Lunar package management can be dropped in on top of a running system
[12:05] < Bellyeye> YOu would just need to generate some (text) package lists
[12:06] < Bellyeye> Sorcerer/Lunar is the most impressive package management I have seen anywhere
[12:06] < Bellyeye> Even compared to Debian and Gentoo
[12:06] < Bellyeye> KISS
[12:06] < blindcoder> hmm... that would be similiar to our *.conf and *.desc files
[12:06] < Bellyeye> It's all bash
[12:07] < esden> blindcoder: that can be ...
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[12:07] < Bellyeye> blindcoder: is that used in the CD build, or after installation, or both?
[12:07] < blindcoder> Bellyeye: both
[12:07] < esden> you can use it in both I would say ...
[12:07] < Bellyeye> Still looking for references to that in the docs
[12:07] < blindcoder> Bellyeye: building the CD and upgrading from source as well as basic configuration of system (if you decide to use stone)
[12:08] < blindcoder> it's all written in bash
[12:08] < blindcoder> intermixed with a whisp of perl for regression tests
[12:08]   Bellyeye is suspicious of wisps ;)
[12:08] < esden> and c code for wrappers that are needed here and there ;-)
[12:09] < esden> Bellyeye: you normally do not use the stuff written in perl ... that is only for testing some very specific stuff of rock
[12:09] < blindcoder> Bellyeye: there's a bit of perl for performance-testing and graphical output of the Distributed Build System
[12:10] < Bellyeye> OK, still haven't found any refs to .conf or .desc in the guide, going back to the website . . .
[12:11] < esden> mom ...
[12:11] < esden> https://www.rocklinux.org/sources/Documentation/
[12:14] < Bellyeye> OK, a couple of questions:
[12:15] < Bellyeye> 1. what's the command to install a package from source
[12:15] < Bellyeye> 2. What's the command to remove it
[12:15] < blindcoder> cd /usr/src/rock-src
[12:15] < blindcoder> ./scripts/Build-Pkg nethack
[12:15] < blindcoder> will install nethack from source
[12:16] < esden> blindcoder: do not forget Download
[12:16] < blindcoder> and mine -r nethack removes it
[12:16] < Bellyeye> esden: I assumed that was covered
[12:16] < Bellyeye> blindcoder: mine? [g]
[12:16] < blindcoder> you can also do for x in `cat /var/adm/flists/nethack ; do rm -rf $x ; done
[12:17] < esden> no ... not yet ... I think that I will put it in the code ...
[12:17] < esden> when you run Build-Pkg and the sources are not there try to get them
[12:18] < esden> if it is switched on in the config
[12:18] < blindcoder> esden: maybe there should be a check to see if Download was called from Build-Pkg or Build-Target then...
[12:18] < Bellyeye> esden: that's pretty much the standard these days ;)
[12:18] < blindcoder> Bellyeye: yes. but since ROCK is a Disto Build Kit and not a Distro itself, it's a bit different :)
[12:19] < esden> Bellyeye: installing packages from sources directly to a running system was not the main idea ... it is not a portage or ports tree
[12:19] < Bellyeye> blindcoder: yes, that is what I am trying to establish
[12:19] < esden> it is a distribution build kit
[12:19] < Bellyeye> OK, let me explain [g]
[12:19] < esden> it can be used the way ports/portage works but that is not the main gole
[12:19] < Bellyeye> I would like to build a Lunar-style installation ISO
[12:20] < Bellyeye> and it occurred that Rock provides facilities that Lunar doesn't, in that regard
[12:20] < esden> you meand put the cd in the machine boot it and compile the sources on the cd directly to your system?
[12:20] < Bellyeye> Not exactly
[12:21] < Bellyeye> I mean use Rock to build up a binary base system, and boot into the Lunar installer
[12:21] < Bellyeye> and from then build as Lunar
[12:21] < Bellyeye> It would be a bit of a mongrel system!
[12:21] < Bellyeye> But also
[12:22] < Bellyeye> If Rock had aspirations to be a . . . dunno what the word is!
[12:22] < esden> nice sounds interesting
[12:23] < Bellyeye> But if you wanted to take Rock into the unknown yonder,
[12:23] < blindcoder> hmm.. don't know if this makes much sense... doesn't Lunar have its own way of installing itself?
[12:23] < Bellyeye> You could drop eg. Lunar Package management in as a extension
[12:23] < Bellyeye> blindcoder: yes
[12:23] < Bellyeye> and it's rather good, considering it's all bash/dialog
[12:24] < Bellyeye> but no easy way to generate ISOs
[12:24] < blindcoder> hmm... okay... that would of course be possible.
[12:24] < Bellyeye> FWIW everything I've said about Lunar package management applies to Sorcerer and Sourcew Mage, too
[12:24] < blindcoder> Building a minimal package set to launch  a sinngle program...
[12:24] < blindcoder> from CD
[12:25] < blindcoder> hmm... sure would be possible.
[12:25] < Bellyeye> blindcoder: I don't understand the ramifications fully myself
[12:25] < Bellyeye> But the Rock installation would become a Live CD, along with a set of binaries for building the rest of the system
[12:26] < Bellyeye> I might have made a mistake, but I need to think about it a bit more
[12:26] < blindcoder> hmm
[12:26] < blindcoder> there are plans for a ROCK Linux Live-CD
[12:26] < blindcoder> and I think I know what it is you want to do....
[12:27] < Bellyeye> blindcoder: you are level with me then ;)
[12:27] < blindcoder> I think so
[12:27] < blindcoder> Sourcerer is a bit like Gentoo IIRC
[12:27] < blindcoder> you install the packages by building them
[12:28] < Bellyeye> Much, much simpler
[12:28] < Bellyeye> yes
[12:28] < Bellyeye> Gentoo uses Python
[12:28] < Bellyeye> Lunar uses bash
[12:28] < blindcoder> so all you need is a shell and a compiler
[12:28] < Bellyeye> Gentoo has lots of added strangeness
[12:28] < Bellyeye> Lunar is more "traditional"
[12:30] < blindcoder> yes, but does i need more than a shell and a compiler?
[12:31] < blindcoder> (plus usual utils like coreutils, tar, gzip, bzip2, glibc, etc)
[12:31] < Bellyeye> That's the sort of stuff, base system level
[12:32] < Bellyeye> Small is as good as big, just smaller ;)
[12:32] < blindcoder> heh, I'd like some girls say that one time or another....
[12:32] < blindcoder> erm... disregard that, please :)
[12:32] < Bellyeye> too late [g]
[12:33] < Bellyeye> The Lunar ISO is approaching 200 MB ATM
[12:33] < blindcoder> 200MB? htat's not that much IMO
[12:33] < Bellyeye> But I'd like to see if I can shrink it at all
[12:33] < Bellyeye> Also I want to hack on their installer
[12:33] < Bellyeye> So I NEED a way to build a bas system
[12:34] < blindcoder> hmm
[12:34] < blindcoder> a generic ROCK build should help you there
[12:34] < blindcoder> if you modify the bootdisk target a bit to include gcc it should have all you need
[12:34] < Bellyeye> Ideally I could do that, and somehow add the Lunar stuff and hook into the installer before making the ISO
[12:34] < blindcoder> gcc, automake, autoconf... the buildsrequired things
[12:35] < blindcoder> that wouldn't be such a problem
[12:35] < Bellyeye> I should be able to generate a list of packages
[12:35] < blindcoder> the 'target' system of ROCK 1.7/2.0 would suppport such a thing
[12:35] < Bellyeye> Too many won't hurt
[12:35] < blindcoder> take the bootdisk-target as an example
[12:35] < Bellyeye> And I'll soon find out if anything's missing [g]
[12:35] < Bellyeye> blindcoder: sounds good
[12:35] < blindcoder> there you would only have to modify the package list to include things you need and be done
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[12:36] < blindcoder> the file build_stage2.sh contains the list of packages that'll get extracted to initrd
[12:37] < blindcoder> if you've changed the package list, the rest should be only changing some helpstexts
[12:37] < Bellyeye> Just a question of whether I could hook into the Lunar installer
[12:38] < Bellyeye> I can see Moon Rocks !
[12:38] < blindcoder> in theory, yes
[12:38] < esden> hmm ... from what I see till now it should be no problem to integrate lunar as a target in rocklinux
[12:39] < blindcoder> just create a package "lunar_installer" and put that into the 2nd stage filesystem
[12:39] < Bellyeye> esden: yes, it certainly looks like it's worth studying further.
[12:39] < blindcoder> esden: yes. with the bootdisk as template it shouldn't be much of a problem
[12:39] < Bellyeye> I think I need to go away and reflect a bit . . .
[12:39] < blindcoder> that way you could also do portage, debian, whatever
[12:40] < Bellyeye> blindcoder: that would attact a lot if interest I think
[12:40] < esden> hehe ... blindcoder I am sure that you could add suse as a target to rocklinux ...
[12:40] < blindcoder> esden: sure. it's only .rpm after all
[12:40] < esden> hehe ;-)
[12:41] < blindcoder> the packages are on anonymous FTP servers...
[12:41] < blindcoder> so... yes... you could
[12:41] < esden> loool
[12:41] < blindcoder> and wrap it up nicely into a usable installer :D
[12:41] < esden> no I mean really create a target
[12:41] < blindcoder> esden: me, too
[12:41] < esden> that is building the packages ...
[12:41] < blindcoder> oh... hmm...
[12:41] < esden> not downloading them
[12:41] < blindcoder> I'm not going to fsck around with rpm
[12:42]   esden neither
[12:42] < esden> I only want to say that if someone is ill enough to mess around with rpm it is possible
[12:42] < Bellyeye> Right, having stirred the pot, I really must go and look into this!  Thanks for the pointers.
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[12:43] < blindcoder> hehe, den ham wir zugelaberrt :)
[12:43] < esden> blindcoder: ich glaube den haben wir rumgekriegt ;-)
[12:43] < blindcoder> esden: ja. aber die idee hat wirklich was
[12:44]   esden reaches his hand to blindcoder
[12:44]   blindcoder shakes hands with esden
[12:44] < esden> hehe
[12:44] < esden> yes the idea is pretty nice ...
[12:44] < blindcoder> SuSE 10.0 (powered by ROCK LInux)
[12:44] < esden> that would finally show that rock is powerfull when we integrate a distribution that existed outside of rock
[12:45] < esden> blindcoder: that would be nice too
[12:45] < esden> but to do that we still need a lot more of flexibility
[12:45] < blindcoder> no it wouldn't... imagine all the SuSE dummies come here to #rocklinux for help _><
[12:45] < esden> urgh
[12:45] < esden> yes
[12:45] < esden> no
[12:45] < esden> we would be in a closed channel #rocklinux-dev
[12:46] < blindcoder> brb... phone
[12:49] < blindcoder> back
[12:49] < esden> urgh lunar is pretty difficult to install
[12:49] < esden> https://lunar-linux.org/pipermail/lunar.old/2002-July/001952.html <- installation guide
[12:51] < blindcoder> *click*
[12:52] < blindcoder> well, looks just like the ROCK "install without a CD" guide
[12:52] < esden> yes ;-)
[12:53] < esden> somehow
[12:53] < esden> hmm but where is the guide how to install it when you have a cdrom ? o_O
[12:54] < blindcoder> throw in the CD && boot the CD && follow the instructions on the screen
[12:54] < esden> :P
[12:55] < blindcoder> what else?
[12:56] < esden> donno ... something more difficult?
[12:56] < esden> ok ... downloading lunar iso
[13:09]   esden looking at lunar
[13:10] < blindcoder> *look*
[13:10] < daja77> re
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[13:12] < blindcoder> re daja77
[13:12] < blindcoder> wb nully
[13:12] < esden> ok ... lunar is only a package menagment syntem as far as I see it till now
[13:12] < daja77> hi _NULL_
[13:12] < _NULL_> re
[13:12] < esden> re _NULL_
[13:12] < esden> re daja77
[13:12] < daja77> hi esden, blindcoder
[13:13] < daja77> *yawn*
[13:13] < esden> moonbase is comparable with our package directory
[13:15] < esden> in each package there is a DETAILS file comparable with our .desc files ... but it is pure shellscript
[13:15] < esden> someone want to see an example?
[13:15] < daja77> esden: what are you talking about
[13:16] < esden> daja77: about lunar linux
[13:16] < daja77> uh what is it
[13:16] < esden> daja77: see backlog beginning at 11:46
[13:17] < daja77> *searching*
[13:17] < esden> daja77: it is a source distribution
[13:17] < esden> daja77: https://www.lunar-linux.com
[13:18] < esden> I have to admit that their system is much simpler then rock ...
[13:18] < esden> but I think not so powerfull
[13:19] < esden> yes lunar is a ports tree like implementation of package menagment based on shellscripts
[13:19] < daja77> I've read your discussion *lol*
[13:20] < esden> I think I will need one evening to make a lunar target
[13:20] < esden> that is creating an installation iso for lunar
[13:21] < blindcoder> esden: leave it to so else and make a livecd target
[13:21] < esden> have I said that I will do it ...
[13:21] < esden> I have other things to do ;-)
[13:22] < blindcoder> yes
[13:22]   blindcoder taking out the uclibc bullwhip
[13:22] < esden> bullwhip ? o_O
[13:23] < blindcoder> "Peitsche"
[13:25] < esden> aha
[13:25]   esden running
[13:25] < blindcoder> esden: btw.: My CCS collection is complete :D
[13:26] < esden> blindcoder: can I have it? can I? pleeeease
[13:26] < blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA
[13:27] < blindcoder> maybe... *vbeg*
[13:27] < esden> *cry* pleeease ... I will be very nice from this time on. I promise!
[13:27] < blindcoder> sure
[13:27] < esden> thank you master blindcoder *bow* *bow* *bow* *bow*
[13:27] < blindcoder> somehow I don't believe this... but I'll try bringing it with me on Saturday
[13:28] -!- fake [fake@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux
[13:28] < fake> gaaa!
[13:28] < esden> thank you blindcoder *jump*
[13:28] < esden> hi fake
[13:28] < fake> hi esden!
[13:28] < daja77> hi fake
[13:28] < fake> hi daja77
[13:28] < blindcoder> hi fake
[13:28] < esden> back from the ded?
[13:28] < fake> hi blindcoder
[13:29] < blindcoder> fake: sorry, I totally forgot about you on bChat
[13:29] < _NULL_> hi fake
[13:29] < fake> esden: Disposal of Explosive Devices?
[13:29] < fake> hi owlita
[13:30] < fake> yeah, i'm back, i am at school, half asleep, bored...
[13:30] < esden> fake: hmm ... I think you can call that place that way too
[13:30] < fake> and now it's time for a cigarette break
[13:30] < blindcoder> heh. I'm at work. half asleep
[13:30] < _NULL_> <-- full asleep and just updating my system (still)
[13:30] < fake> esden: which place do you mean?
[13:31] < fake> argh
[13:31] < esden> the place of the dead ;-)
[13:31] < esden> as you can imagine I have made a mistake above ...
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[13:34] < blindcoder> esden: need a ride today?
[13:34] < blindcoder> moin huebi_ !
[13:34] < _NULL_> O_o huebi is alive? or is it just his ghost?
[13:34] < esden> when are you driving home?
[13:34] < esden> it seems that it is only a ghost
[13:34] < blindcoder> esden: I'm leaving work at 16:00
[13:34] < blindcoder> esden: if you can give me a time (+/- the usuall hour :) I can pick you up
[13:35] < esden> hmm ... that is too late ... >_<
[13:35] < blindcoder> when do you want to leave?
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[13:35] < esden> uwe will drive me home ... he is going to leave earlier
[13:35] < blindcoder> okay
[13:35] < esden> I would like to leave _NOW_ ... but it will be faster when I wait for uwe
[13:36] < blindcoder> hehe
[13:36] < daja77> yeah blindcoder drive me home, I have no car today
[13:36] < blindcoder> nothing to do today?
[13:36]   esden has no car at the moment ... but from tomorrow I will have one *GG*
[13:36] < blindcoder> daja77: you're in Munich and want to go to Ingolstadt?
[13:36] < blindcoder> esden: I'll pick you up on Saturday by Inline Skates. You prepare your bike :D
[13:37] < daja77> nope I am in Chemnitz and want to go somewhere else in Chemnitz, but a nice tour up to here *gg*
[13:37]   esden is thinking about creating a rock development center in munich
[13:37] < esden> blindcoder: ok
[13:37] < _NULL_> why faster? don't you feel confident about the accuracy of the trains?
[13:37] < blindcoder> daja77: nah don't like chemnitz.
[13:38] < blindcoder> esden: rock dev center?
[13:38] < esden> _NULL_: lol
[13:38] < daja77> blindcoder: d'oh
[13:38] < esden> blindcoder: ack ;-)
[13:38] < blindcoder> esden: somewhere where rock devs and their buddies can crash?
[13:38] < daja77> esden: *kick*
[13:38] < blindcoder> esden: so I don't have to drive home each day? :D
[13:39] < esden> daja77: I was acking the dev center post of blindcoder not that about chemnitz
[13:39] < esden> blindcoder: ack ;-)
[13:39] < blindcoder> esden: schweet. you pay :P
[13:39] < daja77> esden: ;)
[13:39] < esden> blindcoder: no commercial sponsors pay
[13:40] < blindcoder> esden: whoever. :D
[13:40] < daja77> esden: maybe there will be one, sorry can't tell you more about it, now
[13:40] < blindcoder> I hate it when people start with "I know something really cool but I can't tell youm (now)"
[13:41] < daja77> blindcoder: sorry
[13:43]   esden will give a kiss to daja77 if he gets a commercial sponsor
[13:43] < daja77> O_o *frightened*
[13:43] < _NULL_> *lol*
[13:43] < esden> that will give me a faster box ... or a strange and fast architecture
[13:45] < blindcoder> esden: ROCK on Commodore 64
[13:45] < esden> blindcoder: I said FAST
[13:45] < esden> but that would be nice too ;-)
[13:45] < blindcoder> "Commodore 64, ist das richtig?"
[13:46] < blindcoder> Ah I just love that song :)
[13:46] < esden> commodore 128 4Ghz
[13:46] < esden> that would be ok ;-)
[13:46] < blindcoder> "Commodore 64, ist das richtig?"
[13:46] < blindcoder> "Ja, 64."
[13:46] < blindcoder> "Und wenn man das durch zwei teilt?"
[13:47] < blindcoder> "Das ist... 32."
[13:47] < blindcoder> "Und wenn man das umdreht?"
[13:47] < blindcoder> "Das ist... DREI UND ZWANZIG!"
[13:50] < _NULL_> *lol* if this would run, it would be funny...
[13:51] < blindcoder> hm?
[13:53] < _NULL_> blindcoder: C64.. /me still has 2 ;p
[13:54] < esden> wee that is nice ... my m4 script is getting nicer and nicer
[13:55] < blindcoder> _NULL_: sweet.
[13:56] < _NULL_> jup
[13:58] < blindcoder> esden: do you know how much hthe dance-lessons are?
[13:59] < esden> blindcoder: nope ... no idea
[13:59] < blindcoder> esden: hmm... damn...
[13:59] < blindcoder> ah well, I think I'll leave at 15:00 today
[14:16] < fake> hm...
[14:17] < fake> man, am i bored
[14:17] < fake> i got full points on the last test in programming - and almost no points on social engineering ;)
[14:17] < daja77> play with yourself...
[14:18] < fake> daja77: people are watching
[14:18] < daja77> hehe
[14:18] < _NULL_> and i got 15 of 16 points in programming. this test wasn't hard
[14:18] < esden> fake: make them not watching ... do you need a knife?
[14:18] < daja77> which did you missed
[14:18] < blindcoder> fake: "almost"?
[14:19] < fake> i need weapons. lots of weapons.
[14:19] < fake> blindcoder: eine gnadenvier *g*
[14:19] < daja77> *changing matrix...*
[14:19] < fake> i stated germany has 15 counties, and that hitler was gay
[14:19] < fake> and fun stuff like that
[14:19] < daja77> fake: ack in the latter part
[14:20] < _NULL_> fake: why a "gnadenvier"?
[14:21] < esden> ahh the x86 kernel.conf.m4 is now much nicer ...
[14:21] < fake> _NULL_: he counted all half- and quarter-points as full points "accidentaly" ;))
[14:21] < esden> and kernel.conf.sh is only one line long ;-)
[14:21] < _NULL_> ouch
[14:22] < esden> but still m4 is braindead
[14:22] < daja77> ack again
[14:23]   esden made a case like structure in m4 ;-)
[14:25] < esden> ok ... creating patch and sending to clifford ... I am really asking myself what he will say to that
[14:25] < daja77> esden: you changed kernel.conf
[14:25] < esden> not the content ... only the way it is created
[14:26] < daja77> O_o
[14:26] < daja77> can I set the $ver in parse-config-9 from rtai?
[14:28] < esden> I am not sure ... perhups?
[14:29] < esden> daja77: see for yourself: https://www.esden.net/rocklinux/kernel.conf.patch
[14:30] < esden> I have not tested it in a build yet ... but if it does not really work you get at least the idea
[14:30] < daja77> esden: ok, looks like no harm to me
[14:30] < daja77> ;)
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[14:31] < esden> nope ... it is only a beautify patch
[14:31] -!- maisenhe is now known as rolla
[14:31] < esden> hi rolla
[14:32] < daja77> hi rolla
[14:32] < _NULL_> hi rolla
[14:33] < esden> ok ... running test build
[14:37] < rolla> re
[14:37] < daja77> rolla: how are you?
[14:38] < rolla> good as long as there are no more power outages
[14:38]   blindcoder taking a big axe and walking off to rolla's power supply cord
[14:38] < daja77> power outages, why?
[14:39] < esden> blindcoder: you are a bad boy ;-)
[14:39] < blindcoder> esden: thanks. even my mum called me "evil" yesterday :)
[14:39] < daja77> blindcoder: she is right
[14:40] < blindcoder> daja77: muahahaha
[14:40] < esden> blindcoder: yes she is right ;-)
[14:40] < esden> your mom knowy you the best ... so ;-)
[14:40] -!- Lorini [~andrea@pD9506D94.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[14:40] < blindcoder> esden: I asked her two days ago to wash my training suit till I get home the next day.
[14:40] < daja77> hmm no angel message this time
[14:41] < blindcoder> esden: when I came home she meant "Don't you want to ask me something?" - "No. What should I ask you?" - "About me washing your training suit."
[14:41] < blindcoder> "I just took it for granted that you'd washed it by now."
[14:41] < blindcoder> "WHAT IS THAT..."
[14:41] < blindcoder> "I know how realiable you are :)"
[14:41] < blindcoder> then my father burst out into laughter :D
[14:41] < rolla> :)
[14:42] < fake> cool
[14:42] -!- Lorini [~andrea@p3EE219DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #RockLinux
[14:42] < esden> blindcoder: lol
[14:42] < esden> re Lorini
[14:42] < fake> my internal bluetooth really works
[14:42] < fake> i can read the minds of handies now ;)
[14:42] < blindcoder> hi Lorini !
[14:43] < fake> hi andrea
[14:43] < blindcoder> fake: I'm happy if I know what my own mind does... let alone those of my electronic devices
[14:43] < daja77> hey Lorini, wb Angel ;)
[14:43] < esden> fake: telepathy over bluetooth?
[14:43] < fake> esden: yeo', that's a new profile
[14:43] < esden> fake: write an rfc ;-)
[14:44] < fake> rfc 81U3T00TH
[14:46] < esden> ok ... so you know what you have to do when you are bored fake
[14:48] -!- senaxl [~senaxl@p50827218.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
[14:48] < senaxl> Huhu..
[14:48] < esden> ok ... ripping a lacrimos cd
[14:48] < esden> hi senaxl
[14:49] < esden> lacrimosa though
[14:49] < daja77> esden: doin ogg files?
[14:49] < blindcoder> esden: using arson?
[14:50] < esden> daja77: ack
[14:50] < esden> blindcoder: nope ...
[14:51] < esden> ok ... off to ingolstadt
[14:51] < esden> cu all
[14:51] < senaxl> tschö...
[14:51] < daja77> bye esden
[14:51] -!- tcr [~tobrit@pD958DD34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
[14:52] < tcr> moin all
[14:52] < daja77> hi tcr
[14:52] < senaxl> Hi :)
[14:53] < tcr> moin daja77, senaxl.
[14:55] < blindcoder> esden: shame on you :)
[14:56] < blindcoder> I think I'll leave now, too
[14:56] < blindcoder> baba
[14:56] < daja77> bye blindcoder
[14:56] < tcr> cu
[14:56] < Lorini> hi everybody
[14:56] < tcr> moin Lorini
[14:57] < senaxl> Huhu Lorini :)
[14:57] < fake> wee
[14:57] < fake> my x works, too
[14:57] < fake> in 1280x600
[14:57] < fake> ;))
[14:58] < _NULL_> on which machine? 1400x1040 *hrhr*
[14:58] < fake> jogdial works, brighntes works, acpi works... seems nice
[14:58] < fake> _NULL_: a sony
[14:58] < fake> memorystick works...
[14:59] < fake> if only the mpeg2-encoder....
[14:59] < fake> ah, break again
[14:59] < rolla> fake
[14:59] < fake> brb
[14:59] < fake> rolla: i'll have a cigarettem then i'm back
[15:00] < Lorini> 24 h???
[15:01] < Lorini> öh.. forget it, wrong window
[15:01] < senaxl> ;)
[15:14]   daja77 has a bad karma when dealing with women .oO
[15:16] < daja77> hmm nice, I got mail from borland, subject: your visti at cebit2003, I have't been to cebit at all, this year >_<
[15:18] < senaxl> "Boring"  -- Larry McVoy (CeBIT x ;)
[15:18] < Mike1> moin
[15:18] < senaxl> Huhu :)
[15:18] < tcr> moin Mike1!
[15:19] < tcr> daja77: what's within that mail?
[15:19] < daja77> annoucement of a dev conference or so
[15:20] < tcr> And you're invited? %)
[15:21] < daja77> haven't read through -> don't care
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[15:22] < Lorini> * daja77 has a bad karma when dealing with women .oO   <<< why that?
[15:22] < Lorini> hi Mike1
[15:22] < tcr> Lorini: occurence of an acute case of impotence from time to time ;)) He's such a old and fat boy, I'm afraid
[15:23] < daja77> Lorini: dunno, maybe you can tell me
[15:23] < daja77> tcr: she was asking me not you :P
[15:23] < Lorini> daja77: no .. surely not
[15:23] < daja77> damn
[15:24] < Lorini> tcr: *g*
[15:24] < tcr> daja77: Well, I made me to your official speaker :P
[15:24] < tcr> daja77: Please feel honored by that! ;)
[15:24] < fake> re
[15:24] < daja77> tcr: I am, really
[15:25] < fake> rolla: whazzup?
[15:25] < Lorini> lol
[15:25] < Lorini> so now i have to talk to tcr?
[15:26] < Mike1> Wie geht's Lorini
[15:26] < Lorini> spitze
[15:26] < Lorini> (did you understand that?)
[15:26] < daja77> Lorini: please, no >_<
[15:26] < tcr> Lorini: Yes, for all private issues talk to me, for the rest, well, I don't care about that, so..
[15:26] < Lorini> lol
[15:28] < fake> non-private things go to /dev/null ?
[15:28] < daja77> tcr: private issues are not for you, only business
[15:29] < tcr> You mean sexuality is like a business for you? No wonder why you haven't a good karma to women ... ;)
[15:30] < fake> oh, we're writing a sweet test about ploymorphism in java now
[15:30] < daja77> tcr: nope, you are not my speaker in these affairs you know, I'd risk my reputation
[15:30] < Lorini> daja77: you have chosen a _very_ good speaker, respect..
[15:31] < daja77> Lorini: huh?
[15:31] < tcr> *g*
[15:31] < Lorini> *g*
[15:31] < tcr> daja77 is pwnd!
[15:31] < tcr> fake: wee, good luck then
[15:31]   daja77 kisses tcr
[15:32] < Mike1> 0_o
[15:32] < Lorini> ok boys, i have to go again.. someone's waiting for me ;)
[15:32]   Mike1 runs away
[15:32] < Mike1> yuk!!!
[15:32] < tcr> I'm _not_ a woman!
[15:32] < Lorini> lol
[15:32] < Mike1> Lorini: can i go with ya?
[15:32] < daja77> Lorini: no, please stay
[15:32] < Lorini> Mike1: of course, i could perhaps need you
[15:32] < Mike1> Lorini: define need me
[15:32] < tcr> daja77: I think, I should take over the sexual part too ;)
[15:32] < Lorini> hehe later :)
[15:33] < daja77> tcr: interested in me, eh?
[15:33] < Lorini> (what a pity, i love this conversation..)
[15:33] < Mike1> OMG...kisses ..  sex .. tcr .. daja77
[15:33] < fake> ciao lorini
[15:33] < Mike1> what a lost world!
[15:33] < tcr> No, I meant the part of your decision concerning sexuality
[15:33] < Mike1> cu Lorini
[15:33] < fake> man sex
[15:33] < tcr> decisions
[15:33] < daja77> tcr: I decided to fsck you *har*
[15:34] < daja77> bye Lorini
[15:34] < Mike1> mike@odin:~ > man sex
[15:34] < Mike1> man: No such file or directory - You should know all about by now damn it
[15:34] < tcr> Well, exactly that's why I'm gonna take that in my hand (<--- muhaha )
[15:34] < daja77> *lol*
[15:34] < tcr> (your sexual decisions of course)
[15:34]   Mike1 better keeps quite now..
[15:35] < daja77> oh come, tell the chan what you want to take into your hand...
[15:35] < tcr> I really don't know what you're talking about, you and your perverted taste! Eww
[15:35] < daja77> tcr: ack, I should choose a good looking boy
[15:37] < tcr> Damn that I'm lacking the english word for Knabensex :P
[15:37] < Mike1> tcr: where is your pic for the rock linux developers gallery?
[15:37] < fake> hm, finished
[15:38] < tcr> I'm gonna take it today maýbe
[15:39] < tcr> But well... you know you'll be become blind once you look at it. Due to my beautifulness or due to my uglyness -- won't answer that :P
[15:44] < tcr> Hihi. Esden's english is bestest ;) "Not avalable"
[15:44] < tcr> (at that gallery)
[15:45] < Mike1> tcr: as long as you are not naked it will be fine
[15:46] < daja77> Mike1: full ack
[15:47] < Mike1> daja77: like if _you_ didn't want to see tcr naked...
[15:47] < daja77> I thought it over, don't wanna have him anymore
[15:48] < Mike1> daja77: so it was all a lie? you used him for sexual pleasure and now will simply drop him?
[15:48] < tcr> U_u,
[15:48] < rolla> Mike1:
[15:48] < rolla> I have 1.7 installed now on my laptop
[15:48] < tcr> hey rolla!
[15:48] < rolla> tcr
[15:48] < tcr> How's business?
[15:48] < daja77> yes, I know it is bad, but look, I just don't love him anymore
[15:49] < rolla> crappy but thanks for asking :)
[15:49] < Mike1> rolla: nice, working nice?
[15:50] < rolla> soso
[15:50] < rolla> no time to set it up right
[15:50] < rolla> need to recompile kernel
[15:50] < tcr> rolla: Well, as long as you have your daily going to closet, maybe from time to time something to eat it's not /that/ crappy ;)
[15:50] < rolla> :)
[15:50]   fake is a bit angry
[15:51] < rolla> warum fake?
[15:51] < fake> nah, childish behaviour of some people i considered friends
[15:51] < fake> nevermind
[15:51] < fake> nothing world-shainkg ;)
[15:51] < daja77> *hmpf* know this
[15:52] < rolla> fake: I understand
[15:53]   daja77 is pissed for nearly the same reason
[15:54] < daja77> WEEEEE my car got finished
[15:54] < tcr> ?)
[15:54] < _NULL_> maybe the "childish behaviour" is something what is not childish but caused by some of thing which were done...
[15:54] < Mike1> daja77: :)
[15:55] < Mike1> ping huebi_
[15:55]   daja77 looking at the clouds feeling quite unsure, having to drive more than 30min through this towm
[15:56] < _NULL_> you're not made of sugar are you, daja77 ?
[15:56] < daja77> btw childish behaviour is caused by someone who behaves chlidish, every time
[15:57] < daja77> but never mind, I don't wann get further
[15:57] < daja77> wanna
[15:57] < _NULL_> daja77: NACK.
[15:58] < Mike1> now you are both behaving like little 5 year old childs..
[15:58] < Mike1> grow up.
[15:58]   Mike1 coding
[15:58] < daja77> that's why I am eaving nnow, got more improtant stuff to do
[15:58] < _NULL_> the "childish behaviour" is just interpreted as childish behaviour by someone who doesn't like to see the truth!
[15:59]   Mike1 waiting to see punches in bunches
[16:00]   tcr recommends to read some books of Sigmund Freud.
[16:00] < daja77> nah, I'm not gonna fight, someone is just loosing my respect with every line
[16:00] < _NULL_> bad luck for you, not for me. i didn't say that i need you, did i?
[16:01] < daja77> do me a favour and stop discussion private matters here
[16:02] < _NULL_> daja77: i didn't speak at you at first, but you interpreted it like this. so - it's not my fault
[16:02] < ringo78> tcr freud ? "Men are from Mars woman from Venus" is a vy good book 2.
[16:02] < daja77> to whom the you was directed?
[16:03] < _NULL_> daja77: scrollback, then you will understand
[16:03] < _NULL_> (or not...)
[16:04]   Mike1 reminds everyone in the chan that is the _ROCK_LINUX_ discussion channel, not the peoples flame wars channel
[16:04] < _NULL_> Mike1: hm. an empty chan is a better chan. ah. got it.
[16:05] < Lorini> very interesting..
[16:05] < Mike1> _NULL_: no
[16:05] < daja77> Lorini: huh?
[16:05] < Mike1> _NULL_: but why senceless fights?
[16:05] < Lorini> nothing, im not gonna join the war
[16:05] < _NULL_> Mike1: so - do you see much discussions ?
[16:05] < daja77> Lorini: have fun, I don't
[16:06] < Lorini> daja77: i do
[16:06] < tcr> ringo78: He also said "America is a mistake, a giant mistake." ;)
[16:06] < daja77> ok
[16:06] < _NULL_> Mike1: senceless fights are fun
[16:06] < Mike1> _NULL_: when i first came here it was 5 people on the chan, sometimes less, we even ramined quite for days or weeks, but when there were discussions they were usefull, quality talks
[16:06] < daja77> not if they are personal attacks
[16:07] < Mike1> _NULL_: not fun if those fights don't take you anywhere and you ofend one of your friends... the kind of friends that worry and care about you
[16:07] < _NULL_> Mike1: great. now you're disagreeing yourselv
[16:07] < Mike1> _NULL_: no
[16:08] < _NULL_> dict friends
[16:08] < _NULL_> No definitions found for "friends"
[16:08] < Mike1> _NULL_: what i mean is, why would you wanna fight for "fun"  as you say when you get hurt, and hurt the very few people that is worth to have around
[16:09] < tcr> Is it time now where scarying null away is a legimate doing? ;))))
[16:09] < Mike1> _NULL_: the "antisocial" dict won't help you
[16:09] < tcr> legitimate
[16:09] < _NULL_> Mike1: if someone offended me, then i like to battle.
[16:09] < _NULL_> antisocial dict - there is a social dict also out there? cool. might too many people have installed it
[16:10] < Mike1> _NULL_: making suggestions to you are not offenses my dear
[16:10] < Mike1> _NULL_: you should learn to listen and read carefully before over reacting
[16:10] < _NULL_> Mike1: suggesstions != just complaining about ever suggestetion i'm doing
[16:10] < _NULL_> Mike1: NACK.
[16:10] < Mike1> _NULL_: suggestions are oftenly intended for people to do things better not to offend
[16:10] < Mike1> daja77: is this true?
[16:11] < daja77> _NULL_: why didn't you say that you don't like it before getting mad
[16:11] < _NULL_> Mike1: great. and "nah. this is crap, and this is even more crap. and this is eve more crap than the crap befor"
[16:11] < _NULL_> this isn't offending- aha.
[16:12] < Mike1> _NULL_: so don't get mad, discuss it, ask why is it actually crap
[16:12] < _NULL_> nope.
[16:13] < Mike1> _NULL_: its a great feeling to prove your self right on discussions you know
[16:13] < _NULL_> a great feeling. nope.
[16:14] < Mike1> _NULL_: anyways there are always good ways to express someone that you don't like what he/she is saying
[16:14] < _NULL_> not, if it's senceless
[16:14] < Mike1> _NULL_: i tend to over react on things too, so i do know how it is
[16:15] < Mike1> _NULL_: in the open source world you will have to deal to deal with several difficult peopl
[16:15] < Mike1> +e
[16:15] < Mike1> and for sure many people will disagree with you on things
[16:15] < tcr> Either you're with me, or you're potentially against me, so I must destroy you!
[16:15] < Mike1> so then is when discussions in _good_ terms must come up
[16:15] < tcr> Oups
[16:15] < Mike1> tcr: thanks for helping!
[16:15] < _NULL_> great. then those people should give me money that i can get a server.
[16:16] < _NULL_> Mike1: i don#t see tcr's comments
[16:16] < Mike1> _NULL_: maybe those people have a server and can sponsor your project...
[16:16] < _NULL_> maybe the world is flat
[16:16] < Mike1> _NULL_: belive you are not loosing anything by not reading them
[16:16] < Mike1> _NULL_: no, the world is binary
[16:17] < _NULL_> is it? maybe in *BSD
[16:17] < Mike1> _NULL_, daja77 why don't guys give it another try and discuss things in _GOOD_ terms?
[16:18] < _NULL_> _NULL_: i don't give it a try anymore
[16:18] < Mike1> _NULL_: come on, don't be so hard
[16:18] < daja77> gonna fetch my car, have fun or whatever else
[16:19] < _NULL_> Mike1: i will.
[16:19] < Mike1> ok as you 2 wish
[16:19]   Mike1 getting breakfast
[16:21] < daja77> _NULL_: have fun with your distro, will not disturb you anymore
[16:21] < _NULL_> daja77: i will have it. _without_ a complaining-about-everything-daja77!
[16:22] < daja77> fine, btw I was mor asking than complaining but who gives it a damn
[16:23] < daja77> _NULL_: on the way you can piss some more people so you'll very successful
[16:23]   daja77 off
[16:23] < _NULL_> asking? if this was asking, then you can call me god
[16:23] < _NULL_> and: who cares about lusers?
[16:24] < tcr> Good question, ask that Mike1 why he's arguing with you! ;)))
[16:26]   tcr away: to closet && to dispensary
[16:37]   blindcoder back
[16:38] < Mike1> wb blindy
[16:38] < _NULL_> wb blindcoder
[16:39] < blindcoder> hi Mike1 !
[16:39] < blindcoder> re _NULL_
[16:40] < Mike1> blindcoder: how is sk8ing doing?
[16:40] < blindcoder> hehe, keepnick finally seems to work with  NickServ :D
[16:40] < blindcoder> Mike1: good. have been able to go the track twice yesterday again
[16:40] < blindcoder> Mike1: and average heartbeat went down 25 beats per minute since I started 3 weeks ago
[16:41] < blindcoder> Mike1: unfortunately the weather is too bad today for skating
[16:41] < Mike1> blindcoder: good, i am look forward to see you doing the teack 3 times next week
[16:41] < blindcoder> Mike1: so I'll do some other excercise today :)
[16:41] < _NULL_> blindcoder: bad weather?
[16:41] < Mike1> blindcoder: good.
[16:41] < blindcoder> yeah, it's raining :(
[16:41] < _NULL_> blindcoder: *aaaaaaaaaaaaargh* why can't it be raining in munich, too?
[16:41] < blindcoder> _NULL_: or at least, starting to do so.
[16:42] < _NULL_> blindcoder:hmm... here the sun is shining *sigh*
[16:42] < blindcoder> Mike1: yeah. I'm currently looking into sobme fitness centers for doing fat burningc excercises and I think I'll give it a try there
[16:42] < _NULL_> *cough* *cough*
[16:42] < _NULL_> blindcoder will become "muscle man" *puke*
[16:43] < blindcoder> _NULL_: *MUAHAHAHA*
[16:43] < _NULL_> blindcoder: :ppp
[16:43] < blindcoder> _NULL_: no. I'm just trying to also become "optical" attractive. Not just intellectual :D
[16:44] < blindcoder> boy... my ego has grown...
[16:44] < _NULL_> *lol* yes. it really has grown
[16:44] < blindcoder> heehe. If there's anything here that is greater than my ego I want it to be caught and shot.
[16:45] < _NULL_> caught and shot... hrm. sounds nice
[16:46]   _NULL_ 's ego is larger than blindcoder 's *vbeg*
[16:46] < tcr> My Penis, I guess :P
[16:46]   blindcoder castrates tcr
[16:48] < tcr> Oh shit, man!
[16:48] < tcr> brb
[16:50] < Mike1> blindcoder: you acrtually touched _it_ ?
[16:51] < blindcoder> no. just hit it with a big axe
[16:52] < Mike1> ah good.
[16:52] < _NULL_> and hopefully tcr is now dying. *hrhr*
[16:52] < blindcoder> muahaha
[16:53] < _NULL_> blindcoder: ?
[16:56] < tcr> Well, mathilda blessed with a new and even longer one :P
[16:56] < tcr> +me
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[17:37] < fake> re.
[17:39] < fake> oh, cool, i started a war ;)
[17:39] < fake> always wanted to do that.
[17:39]   fake strikes it off his todo list
[17:45] < Mike1> :P
[17:49] < fake> nice tounge you have there, miguel
[17:49] < Mike1> fake: thanks :)
[17:49] < Mike1> Wie gehts fake?
[17:50] < fake> Gut, in anbetracht der Tatsache, dass Morgen ein Feiertag ist, und ich heute Abend richtig "Spass" haben werde
[17:50] < fake> hehe.
[17:51] < Mike1> :)
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[17:52] < jhidalgo> hi rockers!, I'll like to give you one idea!
[17:52] < Mike1> shoot.
[17:55] < jhidalgo> it should be great to do this to install rock: lynx -source https://somerocksite.net | sh   (the way nessus work), what do you think! ?
[17:58] < fake> hm...
[17:59] < fake> what would be the advantages? i mean - installing an operating system that way is a tuff jiob
[17:59] < fake> s,jiob,job,
[17:59] < fake> just poppin' in the CD is almost easier, and doesn't require lynx ;))
[18:00] < Mike1> fake: we will have net install soon.
[18:00] < Mike1> fake: as Cliff stated.
[18:00] < fake> yeah, of course, getting packages from a server, AFTER the install system is booted
[18:00] < fake> but the idea above would mean "install completely from the web"
[18:01] < fake> of course you could write some cdrecord calls and an ncftpget for an iso into that sh file .... ;))
[18:03] < jhidalgo> make xconfig with qt!, ...., kde taking control ?
[18:03] < fake> huh?
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[18:16] < mauricio> jhidalgo, kintelecto!
[18:16] < Mike1> lol
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[18:30] < wartix> hi all
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[18:46] < Mike1> blindcoder: wh47 4r3 y0u d0|ng?
[19:07] < Lorini> re
[19:11] < Lorini> ok, i am back and everybody's gone
[19:11] < Lorini> great, really great
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[19:16] < holyolli> moin
[19:17] < Mike1> cpt holyolli!
[19:17] < holyolli> dr.mike1!
[19:17] < Mike1> :P
[19:17] < holyolli> *g*
[19:17] < holyolli> como estas?
[19:18] < Mike1> holyolli: quite good and you ?
[19:19] < holyolli> mike: also nice. a lot to do, but havin' fun ;-)
[19:19] < Mike1> holyolli: fligh hours amount?
[19:19] < Mike1> flight*
[19:19] < holyolli> mike: overall or daily?
[19:20] < Mike1> both
[19:20] < holyolli> mike: overall 90h - 2h per day
[19:20] < Mike1> :)
[19:20] < Mike1> NICE.
[19:20] < Mike1> you still have a long way to beat me :)
[19:20]   Mike1 is flying again :)
[19:20] < holyolli> mike: tomorrow i have a check flight. after (hopefully) passing, I'll enter the ifr phase...
[19:20] < holyolli> mike: how many do you have?
[19:21]   m4ur1c10 asks mike: flying like a butterfly?
[19:21] < Mike1> holyolli: 727
[19:21] < Mike1> m4ur1c10: no, as a pilot.
[19:21] < holyolli> mike: wow..
[19:21] < Mike1> holyolli: :)
[19:22] < holyolli> .oO(I have also 200h from gliders..but they don't count for this... ;-)
[19:22] < Mike1> hehe
[19:23]   holyolli just watching a learjet landing in front of his window... =)
[19:23] < Mike1> damn holyolli!
[19:23] < holyolli> *g*
[19:24] < blindcoder> Mike1: just had dinner
[19:24] < holyolli> mike: do you have ppl or cpl?
[19:24] < Mike1> blindcoder: hope it was good
[19:24] < Mike1> holyolli: both.
[19:25] < blindcoder> yeah :) some good salami from hungary :)
[19:25] < holyolli> .oO(that's 3 months ago that I got _good_ food...)
[19:25] < holyolli> <-- begins to hate fastfood...
[19:26] < holyolli> pelma: kenn' ich dich eigentlich?
[19:26] < holyolli> ww
[19:27] < blindcoder> holyolli: flirting again? :D
[19:27] < holyolli> blah! ;-)
[19:27] < Mike1> blindcoder: have you been teaching him?
[19:27] < blindcoder> Mike1: no. he seems to be successful, so it can't have been me :P
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[19:32] < daja77> re
[19:32] < tcr> re
[19:32] < tcr> Does anyone know a png2pnm converter?
[19:32] < Mike1> blindcoder: so ask him for lessons :)
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[19:33] < tcr> Oh, djpeg is able to produce pnm, even better.
[19:35] < jhidalgo> tcr: gimp!?
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[19:54] < holyolli> cu!
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[19:56]   Mike1 is away: having lunch.. jap food :)
[19:57] < blindcoder> Mike1: wouldn't help either.
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[20:15] < kasc> re
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[21:07] < martin_> Hello all ...
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[21:17] < kasc> hi martin_
[21:22] < martin_> hi kasc
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[21:27] < _NULL_> re
[21:28]   blindcoder going to bed, now that he's depressed enough
[21:28] < blindcoder> oyasumi nasai
[21:29] < _NULL_> gn8 blindcoder
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[21:35] < _NULL_> wb mauricio
[21:35] < _NULL_> Mike1
[21:35] < Mike1> danke.
[21:35] < mauricio> _NULL_, what's up?
[21:35] < mauricio> _NULL_, how you doin'?
[21:35] < Mike1> lunch was grea :)
[21:35] < _NULL_> mauricio: nothing. sorry... irssi's nickname completion.. *lalala*
[21:35] < Mike1> great*
[21:36] < Mike1> _NULL_: no excuses.
[21:36] < Mike1> :P
[21:36] < _NULL_> Mike1: blll :p
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[21:44] < _NULL_> ???
[21:44] < _NULL_> wtf is he doing?
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[21:48] < Mike1> mauricio: necesitas curitas?
[21:48] < mauricio> Mike1, pq la pregunta?
[21:49] < Mike1> mauricio: porque te has caido ya 3 veces seguidas :)
[21:49] < mauricio> Mike1, nope lo que necesito es otro cliente de irc
[21:50] < Mike1> mauricio: irssi?
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[22:04] < _NULL_> urgs
[22:04] < _NULL_> Mike1: what's wrong with your connection?
[22:04] < _NULL_> m4ur1c10: i meant
[22:05] < m4ur1c10> _NULL_, nothing, i am just switching between irc clients!
[22:05] < _NULL_> urgs
[22:05] < m4ur1c10> _NULL_, i'll take irssi, thanks Mike
[22:16] < Mike1> m4ur1c10: no problem
[22:16] < Mike1> _NULL_: i have no problem at all with my connection!
[22:16] < _NULL_> Mike1: :p
[22:17]   _NULL_ wegetting .ARG compiler *sigh*
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[22:56] < wartix> re hi all
[22:59] < wartix> afk
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[23:40] < ringo78> moin
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[23:48] < annetta> buonasera
[23:48] < annetta> prima volta qui
[23:48]   annetta si sente un po' spaesata
[23:49] < annetta> ok
[23:49] < annetta> ciao
[23:49] < annetta> adio
[23:49] < annetta> addio per sempre
[23:49] < annetta> sigh
[23:49]   annetta si guarda intorno
[23:51] -!- annetta [~troisi@cantina.students.cs.unibo.it] has quit ("BitchX: its wax ecstatic")
-!- Irrsi  Log closed Thu May 01 00:00:24 2003