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00:00 < Freak> hum.. "the crow" was a comic, right?
00:00 < Freak> and so is "spawn".
00:00 < Freak> and there was a spawn movie in '97.
00:00 < mistik1> yes
00:00 < Freak> and its the freakin' same story :)
00:00 < Freak> I used to read spawn comics for a while
00:02 < esden> daja77: do not worry ... he will come back ... I have another problem with my typo3 account >_<
00:02 < esden> *argh*
00:02 < daja77> yeah Freak entertain us
00:02 < esden> that thing is too secure !!!!!!
00:02 < esden> re daja77 sbtw
00:02 < Freak> I liked todd mcfarlane very much back then.
00:02 < Freak> I even bought the KoRn-album w/ the cover drawn by todd mcfarlane :)
00:03 * daja77 remembering the comics with the russian soldiers in it
00:03 < Freak> huh? lol
00:04 < Freak> soviet comics? :)
00:04 < daja77> in that newspaper for pioneers ...
00:04 < daja77> yes ww2 stuff
00:05 * daja77 liked the kalashnikov drawings ...
00:05 < Freak> freeeeeeak.
00:05 < daja77> yes
00:06 * daja77 wondering why Freak needed that much time to notice
00:06 < n00kie> lol
00:06 < Freak> no problem, you can have my nickname :)
00:06 < daja77> no thx
00:07 < daja77> with mine some people think I am a girl ...
00:07 < Freak> lol
00:08 < Freak> so why not call yourself chickie then.
00:08 < daja77> *shrug* don't wanna
00:08 < Freak> and I get the nick muh-kuh (whatever the charactre's called in the original version :)
00:08 < Freak> probably moo-cow
00:09 < esden> no mathilda ;)
00:09 < daja77> sounds freaky
00:09 < Freak> esden: wheee :))
00:09 < Freak> can you send me some episodes?
00:10 * -> esden needs speach output for irssi that is playing the speach remotly on from the server on my box at home ... 
00:10 < daja77> oh idiots passing my flat ...
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00:10 < Freak> esden?
00:10 < Freak> daja77?
00:10 < daja77> noisy people
00:10 < esden> daja77: o_O
00:10 < daja77> my window is open
00:11 < Freak> aaaaaah
00:11 < esden> they only drunk too much as you use to ;)
00:11 < Freak> lol
00:11 < Freak> tell me!
00:11 < Freak> :9
00:11 < esden> Freak: come to dev-meeting then you will see ;)
00:11 < Freak> I'm just lucky you didnt see me when I was drunk :)
00:11 < Freak> at linuxtag..
00:11 < Freak> hehe
00:11 < daja77> damn I missed that
00:12 < Freak> yea well yes you did ;)I
00:12 < daja77> but I have seen you stoned :P
00:12 < Freak> lol ;)
00:12 * daja77 not loud when bein drunk
00:13 < Freak> sorry I forgot what the pun was about that..
00:13 < daja77> anyway
00:13 < Freak> hold on a second
00:13 < esden> hehe ... RLDM will be fun ... *lol*
00:13 < esden> humm ... will cliff appear now or not >_<
00:13 < esden> *grummel*
00:13 < Freak> https://home.bawue.de/~freak/stats/img/freak2.jpg
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00:14 < Freak> <esden> humm ... will cliff appear now or not >_<
00:14 < Freak> <esden> *grummel*
00:14 < Freak> re clifford
00:14 < daja77> hi clifford
00:14 < clifford> hi all.
00:14 < Freak> esden just said that some seconds ago :)
00:14 < daja77> petze!
00:15 < Freak> hehehe
00:15 < clifford> esden: should be better now...
00:15 < esden> yes now it works 
00:15 < esden> thanks clifford 
00:16 < Freak> :)
00:16 < esden> this typo3 has too sofisticated security system ;)
00:16 < esden> Freak: I will kill you !!
00:16 * clifford is off again.
00:16 < esden> cu ...
00:16 < esden> sorry
00:16 < esden> *sigh*
00:16 < daja77> cu next week
00:16 < Freak> cu clifford
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00:16 < Freak> esden: yes. do it!
00:16 < esden> Freak: you are a dead man ;)
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00:17 < Freak> oh yes I am :)
00:17 < daja77> s/dead/stoned
00:17 < Freak> hehe
00:18 < Freak> damn I was so drunk that night....
00:18 < Freak> :)
00:18 * daja77 remembering that dreadful doner ...
00:18 < Freak> lol ;)
00:18 * daja77 remembering that he is hungry ...
00:19 < Freak> oh PLEASE dont remind me of ... fooood...
00:19 < Freak> ok now you did it
00:19 < daja77> yeah that is the stuff that is missing
00:20 < daja77> this shit happens when you have breakfast at 15:30 ...
00:20 < Freak> hehehe
00:21 < daja77> hmm stealing food from esden could be a solution ...
00:22 < Freak> ehhe
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00:23 < hopelessOwl> re
00:24 < Freak> daja77: so you moved to Ingolstadt?
00:24 < Freak> =)
00:25 < daja77> no!
00:25 < Freak> . o O ( near the [censored] bavarians.. )
00:26 < daja77> we have a border with them yes ...
00:26 < Freak> *shrug* me too
00:27 < daja77> i know, borders can be a good thing ;-)
00:27 < Freak> WALLS can be too!
00:27 < Freak> bwahahaha
00:27 < daja77> you are too late :P
00:28 * -> esden :Q
00:28 < Freak> hehe
00:28 < Freak> i didnt mean it THAT way actually ;)
00:28 < Freak> *actually*.
00:29 < daja77> yeah israel is building a wall
00:29 < Freak> really?!
00:29 < daja77> yes
00:29 < Freak> omigosh
00:29 < n00kie> btw
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00:30 < Freak> "die spinnen, die römer^h^hisraelis"
00:30 < n00kie> Briten ;)
00:30 < Freak> ACK!! :))
00:30 < Freak> piraten
00:30 < Freak> as well :
00:30 < Freak> :)
00:30 < n00kie> Freaks
00:30 < Freak> he didnt say that.
00:30 < n00kie> I say that.
00:31 < n00kie> And everything, that I say, is true.
00:31 < n00kie> Everything, that not I say, is bad
00:31 < Freak> dont dare to write "freax", it might sound like obelix
00:31 < n00kie> And must be distroyed
00:31 < Freak> need.. food..!
00:31 < Freak> braaaaains!
00:31 < Freak> uhm sorry I meant
00:31 < Freak> ... :)
00:32 < daja77> Freak: get a doner, hehe
00:32 < Freak> hehe
00:32 < Freak> true..
00:32 < Freak> but they're all closed here.
00:32 < daja77> here too
00:32 < Freak> I know they aren't in other cities..
00:32 < Freak> but here they are.
00:33 < Freak> actually I ate döner in mannheim once, they were open till 7am
00:33 < daja77> but fridge isn't empty even when i was too lazy for shopping today
00:33 < Freak> or something like that
00:33 < Freak> hum
00:33 < Freak> invite me ;)
00:33 * daja77 hates shopping
00:33 < Freak> I actually got to like shopping for clothes in norway..
00:33 < daja77> i even have pizza (hmmm but not today)
00:34 < daja77> Freak: indeed you can come by if you like
00:34 * n00kie ate pizza today :)
00:34 < Freak> wasnt that the scene brandon lee actually died in?
00:34 < n00kie> before he went swimming
00:34 < n00kie> brandon lee
00:34 < n00kie> Isn't that the drug boss?
00:35 < daja77> dunno watched it only once ...
00:35 < Freak> no its the crow
00:35 < n00kie> mm
00:35 < n00kie> Right :)
00:35 < n00kie> How's the strange drug boss called?
00:35 < n00kie> Who wrote some books?
00:35 < Freak> he actually died during the shoot of this movie
00:35 < esden> argh ... argh argh
00:35 < daja77> the dead man that is killing the others *yawn*
00:35 < Freak> by a shot  with a real bullet
00:35 < esden> another thing I can not do!!! I hate that ...
00:35 < daja77> esden: ?!
00:36 < esden> ok ... I will bother clifford another time .... *sigh*
00:36 < esden> daja77: I have not the right to unhide news articles
00:36 < daja77> typo3 is clever, it doesn't trust esden
00:36 < esden> *weep*
00:36 < n00kie> lol
00:36 < daja77> unhide wtf
00:37 < daja77> strange word
00:37 < daja77> like uneating ...
00:38 < daja77> ah that reminds me of ...
00:38 < daja77> brb
00:39 < Freak> hehe
00:39 < rxr> re
00:39 < Freak> when the movie is over, I will go get some as well...
00:39 < Freak> wb rxr
00:39 < esden> re rxr 
00:39 < esden> rxr: good that you are here
00:40 < esden> rxr: have you looked for the harddisc?
00:40 < rxr> not explecitely - but you'll get one ...
00:41 < esden> good .. I probably will get the alpha from clifford ... that may be a help too ...
00:41 < esden> rxr: how many rights do you have for typo3?
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00:41 < esden> re clifford 
00:41 < clifford> esden: done
00:41 < esden> I am sooo sorry 
00:41 < clifford> h,,,
00:42 < esden> now it works
00:42 < esden> thanks
00:42 < Freak> now let him get some sleep *hehe
00:42 * clifford is not slreeping..
00:42 < clifford> eher bekifft...
00:42 < Freak> lol
00:42 < Freak> also ehrlich
00:42 < rxr> hi clifford !
00:42 < esden> clifford: ohhh you poor guy ;-)
00:42 < clifford> hi rene.
00:43 < rxr> esden: I have not yet used my rene account - I always used admin ...
00:43 < esden> rxr: aha .. ok
00:44 < clifford> just send sms if you need me..
00:44 * clifford is away: MIB II
00:44 < Freak> have fun
00:44 < daja77> poor clifford
00:44 < Freak> tho its not fun actually but when youre stoned it might be... :)
00:45 < esden> clifford: ok ...
00:45 < daja77> but maybe mib II is nice when you are stoned
00:45 < esden> I hope that it will not bee nessesary
00:46 < daja77> kiffen, saufen, das wird ein treffen ...
00:46 < rxr> daja77: have you started a new build yesterday ?
00:46 < daja77> no
00:47 < rxr> will you start one soon =
00:47 < daja77> i do svn up now, start the download, guess i can start tomorrow
00:47 * daja77 wondering if rxr wants to tell me sth
00:48 < rxr> daja77: nope - I wanted feedback if all is ok on x86 ...
00:48 < rxr> thought you already started it  - so I'll start yet another x86 build ...
00:48 < daja77> oh ok, thought you'll release rc1 soon ...
00:49 < rxr> yes - beginning of next week - the only missing parts are the new refactored rock-plug and the new (to be written) rock-net
00:49 < rxr> SMP: have you some new rock-net code ?
00:49 < rxr> I'll like to have a feature complete -rc1, so we can fully concentrate on bug-fixing ...
00:50 < daja77> d'oh new kernel again
00:50 < rxr> yes - and new kde ...
00:50 < daja77> i know, got the news via kde.-announce
00:50 < rxr> it is toooo hot - damn weather ..
00:50 < rxr> daja77: you are on kde-announce ?
00:50 < daja77> ack fsck the weather
00:51 < daja77> yes subscribed years ago, forgot about it, cos it was dead three years, now they use it again ;-=
00:52 < daja77> even rh put me on their security list again
00:53 * rxr is official kde packager
00:53 < rxr> but during some x86 -> iBook migration I lost my ssh key stuff
00:54 < rxr> I guess I should exchange a new one with them - I could get to the pre-announce tarballs ...
00:54 < daja77> kde packager for what?
00:54 < rxr> the wohle kde packages ...
00:54 < daja77> ah for rock yes
00:55 < rxr> I get to the tarballs before the release (and can test and complain) and I could upload binaries to the kde.org server (but this does not make much sence for ROCK)
00:55 < daja77> you need no key for announce list ...
00:55 < daja77> not yet
00:55 < rxr> but I should (for PR reasons) arrange to place a text file with some info and URL to the ROCK sources ...
00:56 < daja77> you could upload gems when we start supply gems anyway
00:57 < Freak> rxr: how do secret pre-announce tarballs make sense?!
00:59 < esden> ahh ... now the alpha port page looks good
00:59 < esden> I think I can leave it like it is now
00:59 < rxr> Freak: to let the binary creators make distribution packages, and to find show-stopper bugs
01:00 < rxr> the packages often get some final updates during the "binary providers build them" like a FreeBSD fix here, and gcc-HEAD fix there ...
01:02 < esden> can anyone take a look at the site and tell me if it is ok like it is?
01:02 < esden> but please use the www.rocklunx.net/typo3 address ... 
01:02 < daja77> that one https://www.rocklinux.org/alpha.html ?
01:03 < Freak> rxr: still doesnt make sense to me.. arent those usually called release-candidate-packages? it doesnt make sense hiding them from the public either.. hum well maybe I missunderstand it - didnt hear it before actually.
01:03 < esden> daja77: that is only a version in between my changes ...
01:03 < Freak> I'm getting something to eat.
01:04 < esden> daja77: on the typo3 url there is the final version
01:04 < rxr> looks ok esden
01:04 < rxr> but a dot (.) after RAM at: RAM Success
01:04 < daja77> can't find it
01:04 < rxr> might be fine ..
01:04 < esden> rxr: ahh ok
01:05 < rxr> but why is the news bar on the right
01:05 < esden> rxr: updated
01:05 < rxr> on the alpha page? It does not appear on most other pages ... ?!?
01:05 < esden> rxr: where should it be then?
01:05 < esden> rxr: it is only news for the alpha port
01:06 < rxr> ah - ok. Nice!
01:06 < esden> I know *gg*
01:06 < esden> I think such news very usefull
01:06 < daja77> ok found it, looks nice
01:07 < esden> all other subprojects could also have news to announce that are not importaint for the main rock community
01:07 < daja77> mail of clifford and  holyolli is messed up
01:07 < esden> daja77: ahh ... yes
01:07 < esden> mom
01:08 < daja77> mail address
01:08 < esden> daja77: fixed
01:09 < daja77> takes some time to reload
01:09 < esden> what we still need (clifford said the same) is a section in the menu for projects like output plugins ... cluster building ... and other features
01:09 < daja77> okis
01:09 < esden> daja77: yes ... the machine is not so fast on which typo3 runs
01:09 < daja77> now i am trying to sleep
01:09 < daja77> n8
01:09 < esden> good night daja77 
01:10 < esden> ok ... and I continue packing stuff
01:10 < daja77> esden: nope it is my site, isdn, downloading rock packages at the same time
01:11 < esden> daja77: ahh ok
01:12 < esden> besides the fact of paranoidal security I really like typo3
01:12 < esden> it is fun to work with it
01:12 < rxr> ack
01:13 < esden> now I can imagine that the rocklinux site will get more up to date and overseeable
01:16 < rxr> esden: do you have an SPARC running ?
01:18 < esden> nope ... I had to give the v100 back to its owner ... but he promissed me an other box
01:18 < esden> good that you remember me 
01:18 < esden> I have to call him
01:20 < esden> strange ... he is asleep ... that is not normal in his case
01:20 < esden> rxr: but why are you asking?
01:20 < esden> I have remote access to a sparc box
01:22 < esden> rxr: to which box should rsync be done for the people directory's?
01:22 < esden> rocklinux.org or rocklinux.net?
01:23 < esden> I have a cronjob running here that is connecting to rockluinux.org ... and it works ... I thought the people directorys got moved to rocklinux.net
01:23 < rxr> oOo, Gentoo kinda sucked here:
01:23 < rxr> https://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=227
01:23 < esden> *klick*
01:23 < rxr> why the hell do the Gentoo people use -O3 ??
01:24 < rxr> Even my limited private time compiler testing showed that with gcc-3.x -Os is the fasted option for overal desktop useage
01:24 < rxr> -O3 just sucks for real applications ...
01:24 < rxr> strange folk
01:25 < esden> rxr: that is the mentality biggest is the best ... so they have chosen the biggest number ;)
01:25 < esden> rxr: could you please read my monologue in scrollback?
01:26 < esden> and which article wanted you to show ... the url you pasted is not working here
01:26 < rxr> esden: hm - was a cut'n paste out of my browser
01:26 < rxr> esden: just go the /. and follow the link on the Gentoo rant ...
01:27 < esden> ahh now it works
01:27 < esden> I am unable to paste >_<
01:27 * -> esden sux
01:27 < rxr> esden: what monologe ?
01:27 < esden> rxr: after your question about sparc
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01:28 < rxr> .net
01:28 < rxr> erhm - no not the M$ thing www.rocklinux.net of course ..
01:28 < esden> rxr: lol
01:29 < esden> hmm ... strange ... so why is the cronjob running? o_O
01:29 < esden> clifford forwarded the port or what?
01:40 < rxr> esden: I do not know - what cron job do you talk about? A local one on your box ?
01:41 < esden> yes local on my box ... it is running rsync to my people directory ... and it is using rocklunx.org
01:41 < esden> and it works .. that is really strange
01:41 < rxr> ok - it has not worked for me some days ago - and I changed my script to use .net ...
01:42 < rxr> maybe Clifford worked arround this in some way ...
01:44 < esden> looks like a port forward
01:44 < esden> now I updated it to .net
01:44 < esden> and now alpha directory in my people directory disappeared
01:45 < esden> ok ... now I can move the gallery to typo3
01:47 < rxr> does gnomemeeting in ROCK compile for anyone here ?
01:47 * -> esden can not aswer that
01:48 < rxr> man - why do so many people let their packages rott ???
01:49 < rxr> wow maybe 80% of build errors in dRock are kasc packages ...
01:55 < esden> yes ... I found a funny directory in rock
01:55 < esden> apropos games 
01:55 < esden> /usr/usr/bin/xblast ;)
01:55 < esden> I do not know if it is fixed yet
01:56 < rxr> esden: could you please take a look ?
01:57 < esden> yes ... in a moment
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02:12 < esden> ahh it is even better the binary is installed in /usr/usr/games/xbast
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02:23 < rammi> re hi
02:23 < esden> hi rammi 
02:24 < gomer> re
02:29 < esden> humm ... xblast is still broken
02:36 < rxr> esden: will you fix it ?
02:37 < esden> rxr: I am on it ... but it seems to be bit difficult
02:47 < esden> ahh ... there is the flaw
02:47 < rxr> so - I'll go to bed now ...
02:47 < esden> I found it .. that is good
02:49 < rxr> esden: you do not yet know that you do not need to patch the Makefile to set pathes ?
02:49 < rxr> you can specify them in the make command line like
02:49 < rxr> make INSTALLBASE=$root/prefix
02:49 < rxr> and so you should do this in the ROCK source of a package
02:50 < rxr> var_append makeopt " " "INSTALLBASE=$root/$prefix"
02:50 < rxr> var_append makeinstopt " " "INSTALLBASE=$root/$prefix"
02:52 < esden> rxr: I know 
02:52 < esden> I know
02:52 < esden> but this makefile is not using INSTALLBASE variable
02:53 < esden> it uses the concatation of DESTDIR and BINDIR variables as destination for the installation
02:53 < rxr> nope but the one you send a patch yesterday  - but you patch more in the file ...
02:53 < esden> yes I know ... 
02:53 < rxr> I'll apply it anyway ...
02:53 < esden> I forgot that it is possible
02:54 < esden> and you remembered me yesterday ... and the work in that patch is bit older
02:54 < esden> but works
02:54 < esden> it is really tested stuff
02:54 < esden> I will clean it up in a moment and you will get incremental patch for that
02:55 < rxr> esden: ok
02:56 < esden> I am checking my patches 5 times before I send them out .. and it is for sure not enough if you ask me ...
02:57 < rxr> esden: it is enought - good work
02:57 < esden> what is this Create-Tools script making after the "-> Building tools.native/wrapper/cmd_wrapper." it takes ages ...
02:57 < rxr> I just noticed and hoped to tell you s.th. new ...
02:57 < rxr> esden: duno - take a look ... ;-)
02:57 < esden> I will
02:57 < esden> thanks for the compliment ;)
02:58 < esden> and thanks for the will teaching me ... I am always open for new information! ;)
02:59 < rxr> for me it was new - some months ago ...
02:59 < rxr> ;-)
02:59 < rxr> or :-( ?
03:05 < esden> ok ... testing
03:06 < esden> I learned it reading some .conf files or so
03:06 < esden> or no ...
03:06 < esden> it was a packet that was configured that way
03:06 < esden> ok ... I think I fixed the bug
03:06 < rxr> I think I should rm -f my todo.txt ...
03:07 * -> esden running build-pkg to test it 
03:07 < esden> and if all goes right I send out the patch
03:07 < esden> mine is also sloooooow
03:07 < esden> *sigh*
03:07 < esden> my laptop needs a better cpu :(
03:08 < esden> or rocklinux tools have to get faster ;)
03:08 < rxr> maybe both ?
03:08 < esden> I think the second one is less expensive
03:08 < esden> yes both would be the solution ;)
03:08 < rxr> what CPU is it ?
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03:11 < esden> ahh ... the damn lag in Build-Tools is this statment here : "find package/. target/$target/. misc/. -name 'wrappers.in'"
03:11 < esden> find is simply damn sloow if it is searching so many directorys
03:11 < esden> you change one file ... or only touch it ... then all the cache is beeing killed and find searches everything once more
03:11 < esden> that sux
03:11 < rxr> ah - yet another place that needs to be tuned not to crawl .svn or CVS dirs in package ?
03:12 < esden> yes
03:12 < esden> how do I change that?
03:12 < rxr> but we need this - it could be some config modification with affect the tools ...
03:12 < esden> ! -name  .svn ?
03:12 < esden> rxr: sure we need that
03:12 < esden> but we could make it bit faster if it would not enter the .svn dir's
03:13 < rxr> esden: nope - this would also go into the dirs - but would just not match files with the name .svn
03:13 < esden> yes right
03:13 < rxr> a tuneing is ugly - search the scripts dir for .svn - clifford already tuned a few places ...
03:13 < esden> o_O
03:14 < esden> ok ... my fix seems to work
03:14 * -> esden running diff
03:20 < esden> rxr: what are you doing with arm port?
03:20 < esden> I heared that the vanilla kernel is not sutable for arm
03:20 < esden> at least linus says so
03:21 < esden> and that one should use an other tree for that
03:21 < rxr> maybe ...
03:22 < esden> hrm ... I have to run svn up before I can create the diff >_<
03:22 < esden> that takes ages ... *sigh*
03:22 < rxr> I'm only interested in more PR with more ports - and "maybe" getting the thing to run on my Psion/Revo very tine ARM machine ...
03:22 < esden> but it is at least faster then cvs ;)
03:22 < esden> rxr: ahh ok
03:23 < esden> rxr: is it marked experimental?
03:23 < rxr> could you benchmark schillernet.dyndns.org vs. gsmp.tfh-berlin.de
03:23 < rxr> I read-only mirror svn there ...
03:23 < rxr> what? ARM in ROCK ?
03:23 < rxr> and the Psion hardware needs an different kernel-tree ...
03:23 < esden> yes ARM in ROCK
03:23 < rxr> uhm - do we really wanna mark so much stuff?
03:24 < rxr> we'll see ...
03:24 < rxr> maybe I should mark Aplha EXPERIMENTAL ? *g*
03:24 < esden> I think that would be better then not marking it
03:24 < esden> yes you should
03:24 < esden> and dietlibc target too
03:24 < esden> many things are only experimental and not really usable for production
03:25 < esden> I think that if we have x86 stable in the 2.0 release that would be perfect
03:25 < rxr> we have also stable powerpc
03:25 < esden> perhups we get new stuff stable till 2.2 ... 
03:25 < rxr> and semi-stable sparc
03:26 < esden> yes unstable sparc means experimental ;)
03:26 < rxr> the only problem with sparc is missing missing 64bit kernel (will work in some days) and missing CD (will come ine some weeks=
03:26 < rxr> )
03:26 < esden> ok ... that is fine
03:26 < rxr> we should not makr all XP, this will drive away new users.
03:26 < esden> I will work as hard as possible to get my stuff stable
03:26 < esden> but I can not promise that
03:26 < esden> and I do not want that 2.0 waits till everything is stable
03:27 < esden> that is unpossible
03:27 < rxr> intermediate users (the target audience of ROCK, can easily fix the few alpha, or whatever issues within some days ...
03:27 < rxr> esden: yes - this is not my meassurement
03:27 < esden> alpha is not few issues
03:27 < rxr> the concept needs to be stable - and the main architectures
03:27 < esden> rxr: full ack
03:28 < rxr> but the net config is crap in ROCK - so I wait for SMP (and me) to rework this (hopefully until tomorrow night) and to finalize rock-plug
03:28 < rxr> after fixing a few more packages this will be -rc1
03:28 < rxr> I wanted to have this state one-week ago, but for some damn time-eating reason we are not there, yet ... :-(
03:29 < esden> that is for me a good milestone
03:29 < rxr> but I prefer a really ROCKing 2.0 release, instead of bad-comments in articles
03:29 < esden> rxr: full ack
03:29 < esden> and that is why we should mark the stuff that will not work till the release as experimental
03:29 < esden> otherwise the people will say that rock was released ustable
03:30 < rxr> and that many people have 2.0 in production since 1.7-DEV, and that user asked "why isn't it marked stable - I had not a problem for months" is a good sign that we are on the right track
03:30 < rxr> hm
03:30 < esden> ack
03:30 < esden> who said that?
03:31 < rxr> e.g. fake  ;-) but also all the people here in Berlin I supply with ROCK ;-)
03:31 < esden> fake ... lol ... I have rock running on my laptop for months too without any problems
03:31 < rxr> Even by father now has a shiny new 2.0 on his "I know how to fetch emails, photos crom the digicam and how to print" system ;-)
03:32 < esden> nice
03:32 < esden> but I wait till 2.0 release to reinstall my main server
03:32 < esden> but that is not the only reason ... I want to wait for a vserver support in rock ;)
03:33 < esden> it is possible that we get it
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03:33 < esden> from the maintainer of that project
03:33 < rxr> ./mnemoc/vserver
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03:33 < rxr> maybe this is what you are looking for ...
03:34 < rxr> anyway good night ;-)
03:34 < esden> o_O
03:34 < esden> good night rxr 
03:34 < Freak> dang my lagmeter goes up to 30 seconds for no reason..
03:35 < esden> o_O ... that package is reall that ...
03:35 < esden> god .. I am really unaware what packages we have in rock
03:35 < esden> that is scaring me
03:36 < esden> Freak: ?
03:37 < Freak> i dunno
03:37 < Freak> it stopped now.
03:38 < esden> humm
03:41 < esden> ok xblast fix sent out
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05:13 < esden> n8
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09:29 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now - https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
09:29 -!- Topic set by esden [Fri Jul 25 02:22:09 2003]
09:29 (Users #rocklinux)
09:29 [ Aard      ] [ daja77] [ gomer      ] [ mistik1  ] [ praenti] [ snyke] 
09:29 [ aszlig    ] [ esden ] [ hopelessOwl] [ n00kie   ] [ rolla  ] 
09:29 [ blindcoder] [ fake  ] [ jsaw_      ] [ netrunner] [ rxr    ] 
09:29 [ cytrinox  ] [ Freak ] [ kasc       ] [ owl      ] [ SMP    ] 
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09:29 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Tue Jun 11 09:27:41 2002
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09:30 < hopelessOwl> HI praenti , esden
09:30 < hopelessOwl> wah. fscking capslock
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09:59 < blindcoder> moin
10:02 < hopelessOwl> hi blindy
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10:11 < hopelessOwl> wtf is wrong with schillernet?
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10:21 < dreamind> Hi
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10:36 < hopelessOwl> rehi
11:07 < daja77> moin
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11:10 < daja77> oh db error on rene's site :-(
11:14 < hopelessOwl> daja77: yes... svn doesn't work for you, too? do you know what the problem is?
11:15 < daja77> yeah the berkeleydb fscked up, rene needs to run svn recover
11:16 < hopelessOwl> gnarf. shit. btw, did the trunk move from rock-trunk to trunk? O_o
11:16 < daja77> yes it did
11:16 < daja77> rene announced this on ml ...
11:21 < hopelessOwl> ah k. thx. then might there should be an corrected URL on the website...
11:21 < daja77> good idea ...
11:21 < daja77> :)
11:21 < hopelessOwl> i know ;p
11:21 < hopelessOwl> waaaaah. windows is crap!!!
11:21 < daja77> oh really *ggg*
11:21 < hopelessOwl> yes.... i installed win2k prof. german for my dad...
11:21 < hopelessOwl> and i'm still updating the fscking system... i'm feeling like an advanced boot manager.
11:21 < hopelessOwl> and now don't laugh. otherwise you will be kicked to death
11:21 < daja77> lol every home users wants professional ed, cos they think they are better then ...
11:21 < daja77> damn I am feeling stoned like on that photo ...
11:21 < hopelessOwl> hehe. yes. it's at least more stable and faster than win2k server... i fscked up this srv about 2 or 3 times on this machine
11:21 < hopelessOwl> O_o daja77 - want to tell me your deepest secrets? :P
11:21 < daja77> lol
11:21 < hopelessOwl> don't laugh :p
11:21 < daja77> nah but you might look here https://igloo.penguin.de/~bb/bilder/linuxtag_2003_recovered_pics/17.html
11:21 < hopelessOwl> what did you do... ? to feel stoned?
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11:21 < daja77> nothing
11:22 < daja77> i just could sleep all day
11:22 < hopelessOwl> heh, i'm downloading updates... 12.5 mb remaining.... might i'm finished then... or other security updates need to be installed then *gnarf* *cough*
11:22 < hopelessOwl> hahah. where do i know this feeling from *thinking*
11:23 < daja77> no i was not drunk ...
11:23 < hopelessOwl> *g*
11:23 < hopelessOwl> .oO(wodka, osborne...?)
11:24 < daja77> this damn weather kills me
11:24 < hopelessOwl> hehe. yes. guess outside the sun is shining... but this room is daaaaaark, really dark, just one monitor, some LEDs of my machines... and it's not very hot here ;p
11:25 < hopelessOwl> (in this room i mean...)
11:25 < daja77> true except that it is hot in this room
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11:26 < hopelessOwl> everybody gets what he deserves
11:26 < daja77> aha why do i deserve this?
11:26 < hopelessOwl> because it is so...
11:27 < daja77> ic no reason
11:27 < hopelessOwl> you're a man... --> you're evil --> you deserve this
11:27 < netrunner> kewl. /me now got a gps cable
11:27 < daja77> esden said i am not evil ...
11:27 < hopelessOwl> you not. but it's ok, that /me sees one...
11:27 < hopelessOwl> daja77: esden says much things if the day is long...
11:27 < hopelessOwl> hi netrunner . just cable?
11:28 < daja77> yeah but me says more in this time, see stats ;-)
11:28 < netrunner> hopelessOwl: no, also the gps. just need to go and get it when my friend is awake again.
11:28 < hopelessOwl> daja77: huh?
11:28 < gomer> re
11:28 < hopelessOwl> netrunner: ah so...
11:28 < hopelessOwl> wb gomer
11:29 < daja77> hopelessOwl: https://apollo.bingo-ev.de/~weasel/test.html
11:29 < daja77> stats of the month
11:30 < hopelessOwl> i c.,
11:30 < netrunner> daja77: that site is badly formatted on ie :(
11:31 * netrunner back to breakfast
11:31 < blindcoder> nice stats :)
11:31 < daja77> netrunner: hahaha
11:31 < daja77> hi blindcoder
11:31 < netrunner> wtf happened to the svn repos?
11:31 < netrunner> grmbl
11:32 < blindcoder> hi daja77
11:32 < daja77> db error, rxr required to fix this :-(
11:33 < daja77> yeah nice stats, execpt that it unleashes my activity
11:34 * daja77 never thought that he talked more than rxr or esden
11:37 < blindcoder> hehe
11:39 * daja77 likes to kill the suif devs
11:41 * daja77 likes to kill his stupidity too
11:42 * daja77 screaming a bit
11:42 * blindcoder asks himself why esden had such problems accessing his Palm from Linux
11:42 < daja77> what problems
11:43 < daja77> jpilot works nice imo
11:44 < blindcoder> I use pilot-link
11:44 < blindcoder> pilot-xfer -b "Backup_`date`"
11:44 < blindcoder> and it works
11:44 < blindcoder> pilot-xfer -i iLarn*
11:44 < blindcoder> and it works
11:45 < daja77> jpilot is just a graphical frontend to pilot-link
11:45 < daja77> pilot-xfer is cool
11:45 < blindcoder> yes, and esden said it didn't work with him...
11:45 < daja77> even rom dump worked with pilot-link tools
11:46 < fake> muhaha.
11:46 < fake> i am so 3v1l
11:46 < daja77> yes...yes you are
11:46 < fake> after downloading 35 MB over a 33,6 line yesterday my usb-stick broke down
11:46 < fake> so no chance to get the files onto my laptop...
11:46 < fake> i thought about it all night
11:47 < fake> and came to the following solution:
11:47 < daja77> about buying a new one?
11:47 < fake> the canon digicam my sister has, allows the upload of pictures from the pc onto the cf card
11:47 < fake> daja77: i am in the middle of nowhere and it is sunday
11:47 < daja77> go on
11:47 < fake> so i'll put a bmp- or whatever header on the files... muahaha.
11:48 < fake> the software checks wether the files are an image, unfortunatel
11:48 < daja77> flash card reader rule ;-)
11:50 * daja77 handing over his flash card reader to fake
11:50 < daja77> btw my flash cards have ext2 fs on it
11:52 < daja77> can't you access the cam as mass storage device in linux?
11:53 < blindcoder> hehe, DVD-RAM is just sweet :-)
11:53 < blindcoder> slow, but sweet :-)
11:56 < fake> daja77: no linux on my sis's pc
11:56 < fake> daja77: and because i have'nt got my firewire cd-drive with me, i have no cds with me, and thus no ROCK
11:57 < daja77> knoppix?
11:57 * daja77 happy to have linux on the pcs of his near family members ;-)
11:58 < fake> daja77: give me...
11:58 < fake> daja77: osnabrueck <-> ingolstadt is not "near"
11:58 < daja77> ic
11:58 < daja77> well my father, my mother, my sister and my grandma have linux
11:59 * daja77 evil
11:59 < fake> my mom has linux, too
11:59 * daja77 hands over his knoppix dvd to fake 
11:59 < fake> damn it, i should have installed some steganographic software on my laptop.
11:59 < fake> *sigh* no DVD drive...
12:00 < fake> no cpio must suffice
12:00 * daja77 hands over knoppix cdrom
12:00 < daja77> *sigh*
12:00 < hopelessOwl> moin fake
12:00 * daja77 notes that it is really hard to help fake 
12:02 * daja77 trying to manipulate rxr's alarm clock with his brain waves
12:03 * daja77 sending the ring command
12:03 < hopelessOwl> ill folks...
12:03 < Aard> daja77: you called me? ;)
12:03 < hopelessOwl> :p
12:04 < daja77> damn wrong clock
12:04 < daja77> hopelessOwl: why, cos I don't install win2k on my father's pc :P
12:04 < daja77> one ring to rule them all muhahahahaha
12:06 < hopelessOwl> daja77: heh. i was forced to. otherwise i would have been shot
12:06 < daja77> hi Aard btw :)
12:06 < hopelessOwl> moin Aard
12:06 < daja77> hopelessOwl: strange, why yu decided for win2k then?
12:06 < hopelessOwl> daja77: what else?
12:06 < fake> daja7: *rofl* @ ring
12:06 < hopelessOwl> my dad is a luser...
12:07 < daja77> thought you always wanted to be shot
12:07 < Aard> hopelessOwl: simply apply a good LART
12:07 < daja77> how could you miss that opportunity
12:07 < hopelessOwl> daja77: hmmmmm. yes... but not into the bein or so
12:07 < hopelessOwl> Aard: :p
12:07 < fake> "bohren wir uns ein loch in die kniescheibe und trinken milch draus" ?
12:08 < hopelessOwl> s/bein/leg
12:08 < daja77> bein = leg, just for the protocol
12:08 < daja77> :P
12:09 < hopelessOwl> what do you drink, if you're "borhing a hole into your head", fake ? ;)
12:09 < fake> grammar-fscking-beer?
12:09 < fake> anti-spelling-brandy?
12:10 < hopelessOwl> nah. *cough* *censored for publicity*
12:10 < daja77> anti-thought-whiskey
12:10 < daja77> censored coughs lol
12:10 < hopelessOwl> nah. no alk.
12:10 < hopelessOwl> nah. not coughs...
12:11 < hopelessOwl> censorsed thoughts maybe ;p
12:11 < daja77> hopelessOwl: you come to dev meeting?
12:11 < hopelessOwl> daja77: nope.
12:11 < fake> why not?
12:12 < hopelessOwl> no time, no lust, no urlaub, no sense, no interest, no space left in timetable
12:12 < fake> hopelessOwl: would be ideal to get erberos (?) integrated
12:13 < hopelessOwl> fake: yes. but what for? don't even think, that someone would be interested in it...
12:13 < daja77> doesn't matter
12:14 < hopelessOwl> .oO(incredible. i finished installing and updating win2k in less than 24 hours... with isdn *jumping around*)
12:14 < fake> hopelessOwl: it's somethig to do, isn't it?
12:14 < hopelessOwl> fake: hm. nah.
12:15 < daja77> *yawn* time for breakfast
12:19 < Freak> ;) morning
12:20 < daja77> moin Freak
12:20 < daja77> so now off
12:34 < rxr> re
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13:08 < daja77> cool svn works again
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13:10 < daja77> damn webmin
13:17 < christ|an> :)
13:39 < esden> re
13:43 < fake> so ein scheiss
13:43 < fake> diese verdammte dreckskamera komprimiert die bilder um ,wenn man sie hochlaedt...
13:44 < blindcoder> moin esden
13:44 * fake intoxicating
13:47 < daja77> lol
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13:49 < daja77> ok started build with rev 987
13:51 < esden> rxr: what have you done to the game packages? o_O
13:51 * -> esden running svn up
13:51 < daja77> hi esden!
13:51 < blindcoder> esden: hi
13:51 < blindcoder> esden: what problems did you have with your Palm?
13:51 < esden> hi daja77 blindcoder 
13:51 < blindcoder> esden: it works like a charm here
13:51 < esden> blindcoder: note ...
13:51 < esden> argh ...
13:51 < esden> none
13:52 < Aard> 2
13:52 < Aard> argh.
13:52 < esden> you mean with syncing?
13:52 < blindcoder> esden: yes
13:52 < daja77> lol @ Aard
13:52 < esden> dunno ... it is long time ago I tryed ...
13:52 < blindcoder> hmm... okay
13:52 < esden> it somehow was not able to download anything and stuff
13:52 * -> esden was too stupid for that
13:53 * daja77 taking note ...
13:53 < esden> ?
13:53 < daja77> just wrote down what you said ...
13:54 < esden> what for?
13:54 < daja77> so i can read it over and over again :P
13:54 < esden> daja77: you are strange ... 
13:54 < daja77> nod
13:55 * daja77 angry with him
13:55 < esden> with who ... with me? :(
13:55 < daja77> hmiself
13:56 < esden> humm ... not good
13:56 < daja77> himself, damnit
13:56 < hopelessOwl> rehi
13:57 < gomer> re
13:59 * daja77 getting esden's baseball bat and hitting himself with it
14:02 < esden> daja77: why??? .. leave it ... that is my bat 
14:03 * daja77 gives the bat back toi esden
14:03 < daja77> to
14:04 < rxr> esden: I improved the games ...
14:04 < rxr> that a) they are $root aware (will be very important in ROCK 2.1 or so)
14:05 < rxr> and b) do not need so ugly pattern matching as you send to the list last night ...
14:05 < esden> rxr: ohh ... ok ... 
14:05 < esden> I will try not to write such ugly things anymore ... sorry
14:06 < rxr> esden: you where forced to do to work arround the mess ...
14:06 < rxr> no problem
14:06 < esden> rxr: but your code is allowing only one directory depth of BINDIR
14:09 < rxr> it is either bin or games, in /usr or /opt/games or whatever
14:09 < rxr> is there problem?
14:09 < rxr> IMHO the ROCK_CFG options should already be different to avoid this mess
14:09 < esden> yes ... one could want to install it in games/bin or so
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14:09 < dennis> moin
14:09 < esden> rxr: yes ...
14:09 < rxr> this is not FHA
14:10 < rxr> erhm FHS ...
14:10 < esden> rxr: the config variables should be PREFIX and BINDIR and DATADIR
14:10 < esden> rxr: I know that it is not
14:10 < esden> but we should preserve as much flexibility for the user as possible
14:11 < rxr> but not my uglyfing the .conf files that much ...
14:12 < esden> no ... that is not what I wanted to say
14:12 < esden> hmm ... you may be right ... it is enough flexibility
14:12 < rxr> the games should get a prefix selection as the other packages have - not this bindir whatever ...
14:13 < rxr> although with a normal prefix selection you could not install binaries to /usr/games (which I do not like anyway ...)
14:13 < esden> should be discussed with kasc and blindcoder
14:13 < esden> you du not like it
14:14 < rxr> yes - this is why I did not changed this ...
14:14 < rxr> esden: do you like that path ?
14:14 < esden> it is usable when I search for a game to play ...
14:15 < esden> I do not use kde/gnome menus
14:15 < rxr> if they where in /opt/games you also would have a path to search ..
14:16 < esden> humm
14:19 < esden> god is it hot outside
14:19 < esden> rxr: you may be right
14:19 < netrunner> esden: when shall I be in I the latest? 'just heard that I can only take the bimobil at 9pm ... and then I have to load all my stuff ...
14:20 < esden> netrunner: I will wait for you ...
14:20 < esden> netrunner: I will probably not get all my stuff in my car ... so I will have to wait for you anyways ;)
14:21 < esden> I want to take a board with rocklinux written on it ... and I am not sure if I get it in my car
14:21 < esden> it is pretty big
14:21 < netrunner> esden: *g* I already put 3 cans of coffee into the fridge ...
14:21 < dennis> huh, where did the dev-tree moved? i can't find it by http...
14:21 < esden> netrunner: I have put spezi in the fridge
14:21 < netrunner> esden: oerks
14:22 < esden> netrunner: ??
14:22 < netrunner> esden: to sweet.
14:22 < daja77> esden: you alcoholic!
14:22 < daja77> :)
14:22 < esden> daja77: o_O 
14:22 < netrunner> esden: but I could take my second coolbox also ... since we have enough power there...
14:22 < daja77> drinking while it is damn hot ...
14:22 < netrunner> hm ... the blindcoder quote on the stats page is so damn right ... :(
14:23 * netrunner off for some ice cream 8)
14:23 < esden> netrunner: which stats?
14:23 < esden> netrunner: the new one?
14:23 < daja77> yes
14:23 < netrunner> esden: current :)
14:23 < netrunner> esden: aehm .. the one you gave me
14:23 * daja77 posted the link again this morning ...
14:24 < netrunner> ok guys, my ice is melting...
14:24 < daja77> haha
14:24 < daja77> don't blame rocklinux for that
14:24 < esden> netrunner: ahh ok
14:25 < esden> netrunner: there is also one that is being updated and is an overall statistic: www.rocklinux.net/people/esden/ircstat
14:27 < daja77> for some strange reason I overtook fake
14:28 < esden> daja77: not a strange reason ... you are a power chatter ;)
14:28 < daja77> _this_ is no strange reason?
14:29 < daja77> *lol* found this one: "Bayerisch klingt so, als ob sich der Sprecher nicht zwischen REden und
14:29 < daja77> Rülpsen entscheiden könnte." (Kalkofe)
14:30 < daja77> usenet rules
14:32 < dennis> yeah, the bavarian slang sucks ;)
14:33 < daja77> well it is easy to say things like that if lives some km away ... ;-)
14:34 < daja77> rotfl, now someone pointed out that swytzerdeutsch is a non context free language muhahaha
14:35 < daja77> they made my day
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14:47 < esden> daja77: hehe ... that is a chomsky 0 grammatik ;) context free ;)
14:47 < esden> daja77: hehe ... that is a chomsky 0 language ;) context free ;)
14:51 < daja77> hm?
14:52 < daja77> chomsky 1 is non context free too
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14:57 < esden> oups ... can be ...
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15:02 < esden> blindcoder: ping
15:03 * daja77 notes to bring a book about computer science theory to dev meeting for esden 
15:03 < daja77> :)
15:04 < blindcoder> esden: pong
15:06 < blindcoder> esden: SYN
15:06 * netrunner likes the bavarian tongue, host mi?
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15:10 < blindcoder> esden: okay, wasn't that important then I think
15:11 < daja77> netrunner: huh?
15:11 * daja77 not that familiar with foreign tongues
15:11 < daja77> if I should host you?
15:11 < daja77> *shudder*
15:13 < netrunner> daja77: host wos gsogt? (eng: did you say something?)
15:13 < daja77> i did ...
15:14 < netrunner> daja77: just kidding :)
15:14 < daja77> des vorsteht doch ke mensch ...
15:14 < daja77> :)
15:16 < daja77> i guess we can speak at least three different languages at dev meeting
15:20 < netrunner> I hope nobody turns out to be austrian ;)
15:20 < esden> blindcoder: I wanted something from you ...
15:20 < esden> *sigh*
15:23 < esden> netrunner: I need your data and an image for the gallery!!!
15:23 < daja77> netrunner: what about clifford
15:24 < daja77> .oO esden also wanted sth from me, watch out netrunner
15:25 * daja77 remembering that gentoo developer from berlin who always said jentoo ;-)
15:27 < dennis> hehe
15:28 < netrunner> daja77: I'll try not to look into his eyes ;)
15:28 < daja77> hmm he is nice ...
15:28 < netrunner> esden: oh, did I advance to the inner circle? *yipee*
15:29 < netrunner> daja77: I am just kidding. that's in bavarian genes :)
15:29 < daja77> advance for inner circle lol, they even took me ;-)
15:29 < netrunner> daja77: ok, then I do not want to be on that page 8)
15:29 < esden> *ROFL*
15:30 < esden> now you have it daja77 
15:30 < esden> you did it once more ;)
15:30 * daja77 now sitting in the corner, crying ...
15:31 < esden> daja77: "mann oder meme?"
15:32 < daja77> not really crying, that tears just came while laughing
15:32 < esden> *lol*
15:32 < netrunner> esden: jaikonamienko :)
15:32 < netrunner> esden: (spelling might be wrong, just read it :)
15:32 < daja77> i guess i'l never understand netrunner
15:32 < daja77> +l
15:33 < esden> hehe ... netrunner I want some please
15:33 < daja77> what?
15:33 < esden> and it is spelled : "Jajka na mieko"
15:33 < netrunner> daja77: a polish cussword I once fiddled together with a dictionaiy
15:34 < daja77> and means?
15:34 < esden> and it is spelled : "Jajko na mieko"
15:34 < esden> weichei ...
15:34 < daja77> double esden
15:34 < netrunner> esden: once again please :)
15:34 < daja77> lol
15:34 * daja77 notes that this chan is full of weirdos
15:34 < esden> netrunner: I thought you want to say it in plural
15:34 < esden> because there is no such cussword in polish ;)
15:34 < esden> at least it is not used this way
15:35 < esden> if you want to say "weichei" you say "mieczak"
15:35 < rxr> SMP: are you here ?
15:35 < esden> it is read somehow like this "mienczak"
15:35 < esden> it is read somehow like this "mientschak"
15:36 < netrunner> esden: ah , thx :)
15:36 < daja77> guess cyrillic letter fits better for stuff like this ...
15:36 < netrunner> nice, that german shepard here is dreaming ...
15:36 < netrunner> daja77: no, kyrillic letters are hard to read. just the abc mixed up, like m is p and so on
15:37 < daja77> i have no problems reading them
15:37 < netrunner> daja77: you are russian?
15:37 < daja77> no
15:37 < daja77> just learned it in school
15:38 < netrunner> daja77: priviet :)
15:38 < daja77> m = p???!
15:38 < netrunner> ts ... I never liked languages, but I know words in a lot if I think about it ...
15:38 < daja77> ja ne ponimaju netrunner
15:38 < netrunner> daja77: was a quick guess, I can not memorize it :)
15:38 < daja77> yes you can't :P
15:38 < daja77> :)
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15:39 < netrunner> daja77: hey, I never said I understand russian :) I just know some words as my gf speaks it.
15:39 < daja77> have you bought her
15:39 * daja77 runs away ...
15:40 * netrunner *kick*s daja77 heftigstly in his ...
15:40 < esden> hehe
15:40 * daja77 running faster
15:40 < esden> nice daja77 ;)
15:40 < netrunner> daja77: but ... well, I have to pay a lot ... you know .. women :)
15:40 < daja77> yepp are expensive
15:40 * netrunner takes another coffee
15:40 < daja77> my possible gf is from bavaria, d'oh
15:41 < netrunner> daja77: owl?
15:41 * netrunner runs away 
15:41 * daja77 kicks netrunner in the groins
15:42 < netrunner> daja77: pidar!
15:42 < daja77> hmm the stats should say sth about the violence in the chan
15:43 < netrunner> daja77: yes, the scipt didn't recognize any ...
15:43 < netrunner> daja77: no wonder, even it put esden really high :)
15:43 < daja77> no northern babaria
15:43 < daja77> ooops typo ;--)
15:44 * netrunner found a bavarian flag for his camper 
15:44 < daja77> hmm ok now esden and netrunner hating me, we'll see who else at the dev meeting ...
15:45 < netrunner> daja77: you like it shown with my shotgun or the old rusty machete
15:45 < netrunner> oh ... I have to take that one to the camp *note*
15:46 < daja77> nah just let's check out who speaks better russian with your gf
15:46 < daja77> capchaos where are you
15:47 < daja77> bavarian flag in berlin what a shame ...
15:47 < netrunner> daja77: as long as you won't do the french thing with her ... 8)
15:47 < daja77> i had french at school as well :P
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15:48 < netrunner> I like french ... but not the language :)
15:48 < netrunner> d'oh, something for the random quotes :)
15:48 < daja77> the language spoken by a hot babe, yummie
15:49 < netrunner> daja77: I prefer the eastern temperament 8) ... no, esden *go away* :)
15:49 * netrunner hides behind a pebble
15:49 * daja77 phoned his parents three times when they were in france without net, just to listen to that erotic voice telling me in french that this number is not available
15:50 < netrunner> daja77: if you can live with tapes ...
15:50 < Nebukadneza> daja77: i hate franch! i HATE IT!
15:50 < daja77> netrunner: the calls are cheap
15:50 < daja77> Nebukadneza: you don't count :P
15:52 < netrunner> esden: take the pic fom https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/publicgallery/ccc-eh03_small/img_2126-small-7-0.html
15:53 < Nebukadneza> löl
15:53 < daja77> what kid made that picture
15:53 < netrunner> muahaha  /me seeing everybody in the channel browsing to that page :)
15:53 < daja77> Nebukadneza: again stop that *argl*
15:54 < Nebukadneza> i cant
15:54 < Nebukadneza> i am used to write "löl"
15:54 < daja77> bah then learn
15:54 < netrunner> daja77: to say it with shaggy's words: It wasn't me!
15:55 < daja77> well guess i wouldn't recognize you, even after knowing that photo
15:56 * daja77 remebering an old man wearing this t-shirt in white on ltag
15:56 < daja77> +m
15:56 < netrunner> daja77: just ask everybody at the camp that wears this shirt 'Hey, are you the famous, glorified, <fill more here>, netrunner?'
15:57 * daja77 will not be at the camp
15:57 < netrunner> daja77: hm ... we have to work on this point.
15:58 < daja77> no work could be done there
15:58 < daja77> have to work
15:59 * daja77 getting some icecream
16:00 * -> esden is hungry ... this moving of the gallery to typo3 makes me hungry ...
16:00 < daja77> esden: eat!
16:02 < netrunner> esden: I cooked at midnight .. one portion is left over ...
16:02 < netrunner> esden: I'll maybe make some potatoe gratin to take with us.
16:02 < netrunner> esden: I also bought some corn flakes, bread, water and milk.
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16:07 < blindcoder> *argh* WOMEN!
16:07 < blindcoder> I just don't get them!! *GRAAAAAH*
16:08 * netrunner wants: https://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745232242&category=8098
16:09 < netrunner> blindcoder: never ask. just don't ask and do not wonder. just ignore what you don't understand. it's not worth it. and it doesn't even help anything.
16:10 < blindcoder> yeah, that would probably be for the best >_<
16:11 < netrunner> nice, now linux26 compiles :)
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16:23 < hopelessOwl> rehi
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16:27 < daja77> blindcoder: what happened
16:37 < blindcoder> daja77: ah, just the usual. Girl doesn't call back for >a week and then complains that I didn't contact her. (and yes, I _DID_ try to do so)
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16:39 < hopelessOwl> *grrr*
16:44 < daja77> ah that stuff
16:45 < daja77> have i mentioned that i am waiting for a reply mail ...
16:45 < blindcoder> hm... not to me...
16:45 < daja77> no from her, lol
16:46 < blindcoder> yes, but you didn't mention it to me, that's what I meeant
16:46 < daja77> ok now you know it ;-)
16:47 < blindcoder> yes ^^
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16:48 < daja77> well you can't live with them but you can't live without them either
16:48 < rxr> does s.o. wanna help fixing:
16:48 < rxr>  [1] base/iproute2                       [5] gnome2/gtk-perl10
16:48 < rxr>  [5] kde31/kdemultimedia31               [5] rene/kmatplot
16:48 < rxr>  [5] clifford/mysqlcc                    [5] rene/coda
16:48 < rxr>  [5] kasc/gnomemeeting                   [5] kasc/kapitalist
16:48 < rxr>  [5] kasc/openglad
16:48 < rxr> 720 builds total, 711 completed fine, 9 with errors.
16:48 < blindcoder> kdemultimedia is searching for a mono-compiler or something, isn't it?
16:49 < daja77> wtf
16:49 < daja77> mono, kde *argh*
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16:49 < daja77> my build hasn't reached such a stage ...
16:53 * daja77 that building takes longer every time
16:53 < daja77> thinks that
16:54 < daja77> oh local clock just messed up *puh*
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17:14 < esden> netrunner: ping
17:22 < esden> does the source forge CVS repository still exist in any way?
17:24 < rxr> esden: it might exist, but contain just outdated crap ...
17:24 < rxr> we should request the sf team to remove it ...
17:25 < esden> rxr: hmm ... but the owner is pjotr prins ... I think he should do it ... or at least write on the site that it is outdated and that everyone should go to the rocklinux.org site for current stuff
17:25 < rxr> yes - do you send him a mail ?
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17:27 < dennis> rxr: i been looking for kmatplot, the source is not maintained for a year now. but a guy said he would do it now. the package is now known as qmatplot 0.4.1, if you don't know
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17:27 < dennis> rxr: i think he patched the compile errors
17:27 < esden> rxr: I will ... but remember me of it ...
17:28 < esden> rxr: I am adding your record to the gallery now .. do you want anything updated?
17:28 < dennis> s/i/i've
17:29 < esden> dennis: you are also a developer now ... please send me your data for the gallery ... for what data I need see www.rocklinux.net/people/esden/gallery
17:30 < dennis> esden: ohh, nice :)
17:30 < dennis> esden: ok, i will do but i have to find a foto ;)
17:30 * daja77 now off
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17:32 < esden> rxr: you are the maintainer of the ppc port?
17:32 < esden> re fake 
17:36 < rxr> esden: yes, why ?
17:39 < esden> ok ... so I update it in the gallery
17:40 < esden> and you should talk to ripclaw if he is still doing stuff and if he wants still the maintainer status in sparc port
17:44 < blindcoder> puh, it's damn hot here >_<
17:46 < blindcoder> this heat even fries any consistent thouht one might have...
17:49 < esden> blindcoder: full ack
17:49 < esden> blindcoder: take a look at your gallery recrd and please tell me if you need any update ...
17:55 < blindcoder> esden: mom
17:56 < blindcoder> esden: take out the port thing. then it's alright
17:56 < esden> blindcoder: the gpg key is ok too?
18:01 < blindcoder> esden: yes, until November 1st
18:03 < dennis> arrg, it's prety hard to find a photo
18:04 < dennis> s/prety/pretty
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18:16 < esden> blindcoder: do you want to add your gps coordinates to "Living in:" ? ;-)
18:17 < blindcoder> esden: I don't have them yet
18:17 < blindcoder> esden: but as soon as I have them I want them in there :-)
18:18 < esden> ok good
18:20 < esden> netrunner: ping
18:31 < blindcoder> women and navigation *argh*
18:31 * blindcoder gone for the day
18:35 < esden> ok ... developer gallery moved to typo3 .. if someone want's to check here the url: <li>...</li>
18:35 < esden> argh
18:35 < esden> https://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/121.html
18:35 < esden> here it is
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18:40 < dennis> is there a need for utx, the binary compressor?
18:42 < Nebukadneza> utx?
18:43 < dennis> sry, upx
18:44 < Nebukadneza> upx? udp?
18:44 < dennis> sf.net/projects/upx
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19:28 < esden> dennis: this is that thing that is decompressing binarys when they are beeing executed?
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19:31 < dennis> esden: yes
19:33 < esden> dennis: you are free to add it ;)
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19:39 < dennis> hi owl
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19:50 < netrunner> esden: pong
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20:01 < esden> netrunner: please call me when you leave munich ...
20:01 < esden> I go to bed for some hours ... till you leave munich
20:11 < fake> hallo
20:13 < dennis> hi fake
20:29 < hopeless1wl> heeeeeeeeelp!
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20:30 < rxr> hopelessOwl: erhm - yes?
20:31 < rxr> what is you problem ?
20:31 < hopelessOwl> nothing but my connection...
20:33 < rxr> ah ok
20:38 < rxr> esden: +10 points for the new gallery! Big thanks!
20:40 < rxr> esden: I'll correct the $home link to point to .net ... the .org causes a 404 ...
20:40 < rxr> cool - with some fixes gdb compiled on sparc now again ...
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20:59 < netrunner> ok, packing phase has begun :)
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21:12 < Ge0rG> good idea... to start packing
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21:59 < dennis> rxr: ping
22:02 < netrunner> anybody has gps coordinates for the camp?
22:04 < dennis> N 52.57959 E 13.69414
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22:10 < daja77> re
22:11 < dennis> wb daja77
22:11 < daja77> thx
22:18 < esden> re hi all
22:18 < daja77> huhu esdi
22:18 < esden> huhu daja77 
22:19 < esden> I should say good morning now ;)
22:19 < daja77> hehe yes
22:19 < esden> ahh ... these two hours sleep were very usefull ;)
22:19 * daja77 catched the interest of an italian who thought i am a women ...
22:20 < esden> weee daja77 is converting his gender ;)
22:20 < esden> good to know ;)
22:20 < daja77> no
22:20 < dennis> wb esden
22:20 < esden> netrunner: is having a gps device? o_O
22:21 < esden> 257 MB of an internet radio recording ;)
22:21 < esden> that is nice ;)
22:21 < esden> now I have a bit of music for my car ;)
22:23 < daja77> music i doubt that ...
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22:25 < esden> daja77: o_O
22:25 < hopelessOwl> rehi
22:25 < esden> re hopelessOwl 
22:26 < dennis> wb hopelessOwl
22:26 < hopelessOwl> thx
22:26 < hopelessOwl> .oO(...)
22:26 < daja77> hm?
22:26 < hopelessOwl> <-- extremely confused
22:27 < daja77> as always ...
22:27 < hopelessOwl> nah. even more confuses
22:27 < hopelessOwl> aaargh. confused
22:28 < daja77> more confused, how should that be possible
22:28 < hopelessOwl> dunno. but i know that it is possible
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22:29 < holyolli> moin
22:29 < hopelessOwl> hi holyolli
22:29 < holyolli> hi owl
22:29 < daja77> hi holyolli
22:29 < holyolli> hi daja
22:30 < esden> hi holyolli !
22:30 < holyolli> huhu esden
22:30 < esden> holyolli: I ported the alpha site to typo3 content menagment ... and adapted your uptades to the page
22:31 < esden> holyolli: the url for the iso is not avalable at your dyndns address
22:31 < holyolli> esden: cool. thanks. i'm btw now back in germany, so i can continue my work
22:32 < holyolli> esden: yes...unfortunately I was kicked out of my home in bremen some weeks ago and my girlfriend had to move everything
22:32 < daja77> holyolli: do you come to dev meeting?
22:32 < holyolli> esden: tomorrow, I'm in bremen and get (hopefully) my dsl installed (and I even see my new home ;)
22:32 < esden> holyolli: I will get a new disc to my alpha from rxr ... so I will be able to continue working on alpha too
22:32 < holyolli> daja: when is it?
22:32 < holyolli> esden: great!
22:33 < esden> holyolli: what happened that you got kicked?
22:33 < daja77> 14th-17th august in vienna
22:33 < holyolli> esden: the 'vermieterin' was an asshole - she wanted to sell the house we were living in and didn't renew the contract just 2 weeks before the end for the former one...
22:34 < holyolli> daja: hm. I must see cause my school starts again on 18th
22:34 < daja77> school O_o
22:35 < holyolli> daja: ausbildung
22:35 < daja77> to what?
22:35 < netrunner> esden: you are awake?
22:35 < esden> netrunner: yes ... I woke up automatically
22:36 < esden> netrunner: how far are you with prepares?
22:36 < holyolli> daja: some transportation buisiness
22:36 < netrunner> esden: packing the last things (~75%), then getting the camper, reloading and go.
22:36 < daja77> aha
22:37 < esden> netrunner: estimated leaving time from munich/
22:37 < esden> ?
22:37 < netrunner> esden: it just took me 0.5h to realize that gpsfetchmap can only get cards from south to north (had it entered different way)
22:37 < netrunner> esden: i hope/target 0
22:37 < daja77> so you drive this night?
22:37 < esden> so you will be abaut 1 or 2 in ingolstadt
22:37 < rxr> re
22:38 < hopelessOwl> abaut...
22:38 < esden> rxr: rxr 
22:38 < netrunner> daja77: nope, we want to have some fun together before :)
22:38 < hopelessOwl> rxr: hi
22:38 < daja77> netrunner: o_O no comment ...
22:38 < rxr> esden: at what day will you arrive at the camping place ?
22:39 < esden> daja77: is jealous ... 
22:39 < esden> rxr: monday 10 12 o'clock hopefully
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22:39 < daja77> hmm 897 builds total, 171 completed fine, 1 with errors.
22:40 < daja77> esden: me? never ...
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22:41 < daja77> [5] rene/bitstream-vera-fonts
22:42 < netrunner> esden: we'll be there at 0800 badly calculated
22:42 < esden> rxr: when will you join us?
22:42 < esden> netrunner: do you think so?
22:42 < esden> these are 800km ...
22:43 < netrunner> esden: it are 650 from here
22:43 < esden> o_O
22:43 < esden> ohh ...
22:43 < esden> ok
22:43 < netrunner> esden: or did you want to visit your family in poland before?
22:43 < rxr> esden: I do not know due to the costs :-(
22:44 < netrunner> It took me 4,5 h the fastest and 13h the slowest to berlin.
22:44 < rxr> but if you start before the camp we can visit you easily ...
22:44 < netrunner> (the 13h were to the last camp :(
22:44 < esden> so these are not exactly 600 km from ingolstadt
22:45 < esden> netrunner: and why was it so long?
22:45 < hopelessOwl> .oO(he hat sich verfahren ... this is the reason, why he now uses GPS)
22:46 < netrunner> esden: I was sick, it was hot, there was only jam and in the end I crashed a car with 4 _superb_ chicks while having wild phantasys.
22:46 < daja77> lol
22:46 < esden> lol
22:46 < daja77> poser!
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22:52 < esden> be-el hes some problems with attaching patches ... hehe
22:52 < hopelessOwl> huh?
22:53 < esden> rlml
22:54 < esden> rxr: you will not have to pay anything if you come by bofore the regular camp starts ... I hope at least so ;)
22:54 < hopelessOwl> i'm downloading --> no bandwith left to connect to aszlig.net
22:54 < esden> rxr: and you would be usefull to show me a "baumarkt" there so I can buy "absperrband"
22:54 * netrunner shutting build server down ...
22:55 < hopelessOwl> netrunner: ? it is still alive? O_o
22:55 < netrunner> hopelessOwl: :)
22:55 * netrunner is always late .)
22:55 < Nebukadneza> hopelessOwl==owl?
22:56 < esden> nebu yes ...
22:56 < hopelessOwl> O_o
22:56 < hopelessOwl> Nebukadneza: yes...
22:56 < esden> she can not decide about her nick ... that is already known
22:56 < hopelessOwl> nah. i can't connect to aszlig.net because of bandwith-problems --> connecting from localhost ;p
22:57 < netrunner> esden: can you take a fiber cable? I forgot mine elsewhere
22:59 * netrunner decided to take only 1 server
23:00 < SMP> evening
23:00 < hopelessOwl> hi SMP
23:00 < esden> rxr: thank you for marking dietlibc target eXperimental ;)
23:00 < esden> hi SMP 
23:01 < esden> SMP: how much space do you need on the camp?
23:01 < esden> and when will you arrive?
23:01 < gomer> today i will divide me from rocklinux after nearly 1,5 years
23:01 < esden> gomer: ?
23:02 < SMP> esden: what kind of space do you mean?
23:02 < gomer> after a power-down everything is broken :(
23:02 < esden> how much space in the OBSD tent and how much space for sleeping tent if you will have such thing
23:03 < netrunner> grrr cannot find my bathing clothes
23:03 < netrunner> I wish my gf would be here ... <,9
23:03 < esden> netrunner: should I take another pair of swimming pants with me?
23:04 < SMP> esden: do we get a camping bed from OBSD or is that not 'included'?
23:04 < netrunner> esden: I have those underwear-like things here .. but I prefer the longer ones...
23:05 < esden> SMP: I can try to organize a bed but I can not promise anything ... I even do not know if they will have such things
23:05 < esden> netrunner: I always use the underwear-like ones
23:06 < SMP> esden: then you are obviously not qualified to ask how much space I need, thanks
23:06 < netrunner> esden: your monitor is vga?
23:07 < esden> SMP: ok ...
23:08 < esden> SMP: I only wanted to reserve space as requested from clifford ...
23:09 < SMP> I don't think this will be necessary - there should be space reserved for everyone who registered
23:10 < SMP> ripclaw should have told Wim
23:11 < esden> clifford said that Wim will be there on Thursday so he may be unable to take care that there is enough space for us ...
23:12 < SMP> oh well, I should be there late Wednesday
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23:15 < esden> ok ... so see you there, if it will be nessesary I will reserve some dark and comfy place for you ;)
23:15 < tsa> hi all
23:15 < esden> hi tsa 
23:16 < tsa> rxr?
23:18 < rxr> tsa: ja
23:19 < tsa> rxr: kleine bitte - in wxwindows.desc bitte die build-reiehenfolge auf 360.000 aendern..
23:19 < tsa> (sonst bricht es, da gtk erst spaeter gebaut wird..)
23:21 * netrunner starts packing useless stuff -> queue closed.
23:23 < rxr> tsa: done
23:24 < tsa> danke.
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23:54 -!- Topic set by esden [Fri Jul 25 02:22:09 2003]
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23:54 [ aszlig    ] [ dennis] [ Ge0rG      ] [ mistik1    ] [ owl      ] [ SMP  ] 
23:54 [ blindcoder] [ esden ] [ gomer      ] [ n00kie     ] [ praenti  ] [ snyke] 
23:54 [ cytrinox  ] [ fake  ] [ hopelessOwl] [ Nebukadneza] [ rolla    ] [ tsa  ] 
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23:56 < rxr> tsa: I'm more concerned about python integrating stuff like KOffice
23:56 < rxr> if you could build it in your test build, too ...
23:56 < esden> grr
23:59 < fake> *krr*
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